Ok , now a few of use would be saying something like WTF with that kind of subject but here it goes..

Ok smokers induction kit was put in about a month ago now, and have been thoroughly enjoying it. But last night (wa) saw its first REAL heavy storms, and of course, came with it lots of rain. so of course thinking of this made me be real careful where i drive now that the filter is down behind the bar.

But of course 700m down the road, at the bottom of the hill, is THE blocked drain with water all away accross the road, up to the curb. Great....
so mounted the kurb went as slow as possible thith out stopping (just idled accross) thought great im gonna make it...... dead - s***
anyway my car has sat down at the end of my road immobile, while i had to drive my mums magna to work (tj to, but a piece of **** and no fun to drive)
Now got it home with the filter off and let it dry, i am very lucky to not suck up too much water, but the airflow meter had to come out to get rid of the water.
I am now in the process of modufying the setup with pieces of spare acrylic sheets, to (protect) the pod from water, and help deflect water and other ******* away from the filter. should would fine from now on with this, and will keep you posted on this. If anyone has had this happen to them please speak up, like to hear your thoughts

Cheers Gazza
:cool:

P.S oh yeah the council cleaned the drains about 2hrs later - no more water :nuts:

Happened to me too. A very wet day and Parramatta Rd, car was stalling and other strange things. Afterwards the MAS sensor died and it developed a strange electrical problem (not sure if related). This was with a RPW kit. Since sold the car, not going to do it to the new one. Panel filter and CAI all they way.

the water wont go up to your TB, i believe the suction is not strong enough to suck that far up.. it stalls because its sucking in water and not air... the ecu gets all funny and it will stall..

thats what i've been told anyways........

I think having your filter and/or MAS down that low is just asking for trouble. Much better to leave the MAS where it is, and either run a panel filter or make up a box to enclose a pod in the same place, and have nothing but piping hanging down low.

Yeh there was no water in the pipes, i think that the flow meter just sensed less air flowing and killed it, the filter was drenched

now i just hope the afs is ok will find out tomorrow, thanks guys for your support :doubt:

Sorry to hear Gazza, its the first iv herd of it eva happening
iv had my filter wet when its been p!ssing down rain
how deep was the water?

doesn't matter if its a TH smoker,rpw or big W kit as soon as the filter goes underwater it will starve the engine of oxygen and stall...

same with the setup i got, panel filter with piping down to the front bar, if the end of that pipe goes underwater same thing will happen i will stall

best thing about the panel design, if i see a flooded area comin up and i have to cross, i can pull the pipe from the airbox and let it use the air from the engine bay :D

doesn't matter if its a TH smoker,rpw or big W kit as soon as the filter goes underwater it will starve the engine of oxygen and stall...

same with the setup i got, panel filter with piping down to the front bar, if the end of that pipe goes underwater same thing will happen i will stall

best thing about the panel design, if i see a flooded area comin up and i have to cross, i can pull the pipe from the airbox and let it use the air from the engine bay :D

with mine, the 2nd last connection with oneof the bends i didnt glue, so when its REALLY p!ssing down, i just take the last little bit of the pipe off which gets the end of the pipe well above ground level.
And i only do that to be extra careful. I forgot one night to take that peice out and had been driving around in real heavy rain for ages. Anyways when i remembered i pulled over and felt the pipe and the part at the front of the bumper was soaked, but i took my panel out and had a good look at that and the inside of the airbox and absolutely no sign of moisture at all
:)

This was my biggest concern... I really wanted to do the kit thing but I have chosen to box the pod instead and run a pipe down... even then I will be watching how the open pipe is situated... and not just for water... I just need to get off my ass and do it...

Ok, so if a pipe set up from an enclosed short pod kit lead down happened to become immersed in water, there is definitely no way it would have enough suction to draw water up there??... seems a bit unlikely...but makes you wonder given an engines natural tendancy to want to keep moving and thus draw air as needed. Hopefully the MAS would react in some way. it might pay to have a small breather hole in the pipe somewhere up the pipe... :think:

when its been absolutely pelting down i can still drive my car and its fine.. and i think the front of my car is lower than many of yours.

i've only ever had 1 problem.. and thats when i drove through a puddle 2 feet deep.. and my car is less than a foot of the ground

when its been absolutely pelting down i can still drive my car and its fine.. and i think the front of my car is lower than many of yours.

i've only ever had 1 problem.. and thats when i drove through a puddle 2 feet deep.. and my car is less than a foot of the ground
A little off the track but have you (or anyone else) had a look at the condition of the pod when it is under the motor? as far as being dirty... I would definately not be one to regularly clean the damn thing... just curious with those who have had theirs on for a while now and how dirty they actually get and how quickly too (frequency of having to clean it and what state is it in).

i have my pod and MAS relocated behind the front bumper...
i've driven it with heavy rain... the first time i it happened, i pulled upto a machanic shop, borrowed their screw driver and checked for water around the TB area... there was no sign of water or moisture but the pod was soaked...

only thing is to avoid big puddles... or you can just fly though it... lol

HyperTF, I clean it every 3-4 months... amazingly it doesnt collect alot of dirt at all....
you do get dirt particles and what not but not what you expect it to be...
When i had the pod in the engine bay area, i had a pipe connected down to the front bumper, after 3 months, not only does the pod get dirty, the whole engine bay gets dirty...
solution? enclose the pod and have the pipe connected and then down behind the bumper.

did you get that??? :confused:

i have my pod and MAS relocated behind the front bumper...
i've driven it with heavy rain... the first time i it happened, i pulled upto a machanic shop, borrowed their screw driver and checked for water around the TB area... there was no sign of water or moisture but the pod was soaked...

only thing is to avoid big puddles... or you can just fly though it... lol
Anyone say aquaplane?...whoop! scary s*** :shock:

Having a soggy pod is really not appealing to me at all... I would rather insulate against the heat and pipe it down... but I have said that already :nuts: ... time for sleep i think :coffee:

I want my pod back on dammit :boohoo:

HyperTF, I clean it every 3-4 months... amazingly it doesnt collect alot of dirt at all....
you do get dirt particles and what not but not what you expect it to be...
When i had the pod in the engine bay area, i had a pipe connected down to the front bumper, after 3 months, not only does the pod get dirty, the whole engine bay gets dirty...
solution? enclose the pod and have the pipe connected and then down behind the bumper.

did you get that??? :confused:
Cheers mate... yeah... looks like I will be doing this VERY soon... but I so don't want to build it with acrylic... but it is hard to find a decent alternative that you can get your hands on easy.... think I should stop whining hehe

Anyone say aquaplane?...whoop! scary s*** :shock:

Having a soggy pod is really not appealing to me at all... I would rather insulate against the heat and pipe it down... but I have said that already :nuts: ... time for sleep i think :coffee:

I want my pod back on dammit :boohoo:
get a K&N pod sock

oh.. and my cross member is 6cm off the ground and my pod isn't SOAKED... but damp/wet

yeh guys its physically impossible for water to travel vertically up the pipe to the throttle body with such minimal suction........

if you drive through a deep puddle that submerges your filter of pipe the motor will stall every time with not one drop of water reaching anywhere near the TB........how far the water goes up your CAI depends on how deep the puddle is.......

it was pretty high, and yes i am a bit stupid, now looking at how low the front of the car is (pedders lows springs allround), the filter would of just soaked up the water (it was almost up to the top of the kurb) without any troubles

yeh, i,ve now made a few new mods to the arrange ment, with an acrylic plate covering the corner front corner up to the wheel, and up behind the wheel, which should help deflect some water away from the front wheel andpuddles e.t.c
Tried it today in wet conditions (not as bad) and filter was completely dry, and yes i am very lucky and it runs fine

I will try and get some photos of this tonight while im taking the subs out fro the drags tomorrow night (weather permitting) :cool:

Ok Heres a few pics, although they arn't the best due to the clear acylic, and silver flashtac and low light, but you should get the idea.

Around the front of the bumper is screwed to the scew holes, and sealed with some stick-on foam tape to form a seal. the acylic is cut to suit the corner of the bumper back to the wheel guard. a small acylic flap was added at the back to help reduce the amount of crap spun off the wheel. this was secured with flashtac on both sides. same on the inside (towards engine) very small flap placed and secured with flashtac to help again

This costed me nothing at all apart from 2 hours (I made this by parts i already had sitting in the shed). All you need is some acrylic, a figsaw, flashtac (or something else for that matter) and a spare couple of hours

Gazza
well for stater's your pod is sitting a sh1t load lower than what mine was( you could'nt see my pod looking level with the bottom of the front bar)
Did you cut the plastic side bit out or remove it totaly? if you dont do either the pod will sit lower because the maf hits it (plastic side cover thingy)

well atleast your car is alright and thats the main thing..............and btw what do you think of the perfomance with the cai?

LMFAO......what the hell did you expect to happen when you submerge the pod in water :nuts:

seriosly think about this guys.
firstly there is almost NO HOPE getting water to the throttle body unless you submerge your entire car in water while revving the thing to about 02398756902367589023765892087 thousand rpm.

there is no problem driving with the setup in the rain and i have seen this kit on a th lowered and it was pissing rain and the pod was slightly wet...

at worst, all that can happen is if you totally submerge the pod in water, your maf will give a false reading to the ecu causing the car to imediatly stall.

and with the pod getting dirty....come on were you born brain dead or are you naturally like that.....OF COURSE THE POD WILL GET DIRTY....ffs the pods get dirty under the bonnet and why the hell does the factory service book tell you to replace the standed item pannel filter??? BECAUSE IT ALSO GETS DIRTY A RENDERS THE FILTER USELESS..

it doesnt take a mathermatition, or fusion scientist to work out that there is sweet @#$% all you can do to keep them clean and last forever...unless of course you run a pod and a panell filter...then you would have to be a daft wanker..

in reality, the smart thing to do would be to use a cheap pod and simply replace it every 2 months or what ever tickles you minds..12 dollars every 2 months...WHOOP DIDOO...

me and thsmoker made a very similar CAI on a super charged vx calais and the differance was unbelievable...these kits realy work well..for example on thsmokers car, it was a stinking hot day and we went for a drive to kill some time and when we got back to my place we felt the intake manifold above the runners and it was far from hot...we could acually leave our hands on it and not burn our selvs....before that day we were working on the throttle body to tweak it up a bit and i kept leaning on the intake manifold like an idiot and kept burning my self...

on a final note i say this....to all the owners of thsmokers kit and rpw ect, go for a good hard drive and then place your hand just after the throttlebody and see if it burns you.

now to the people that dont have a cold air intake kit and only have a crappy k&n pannel filter, go and take it for a good hard drive, go home and feel behind the throttle body..


the evidence IS there that these kits work and WORK WELL

my 2c

and with the pod getting dirty....come on were you born brain dead or are you naturally like that.....OF COURSE THE POD WILL GET DIRTY....ffs the pods get dirty under the bonnet and why the hell does the factory service book tell you to replace the standed item pannel filter??? BECAUSE IT ALSO GETS DIRTY A RENDERS THE FILTER USELESS..

it doesnt take a mathermatition, or fusion scientist to work out that there is sweet @#$% all you can do to keep them clean and last forever...unless of course you run a pod and a panell filter...then you would have to be a daft wanker..

hey mate... i know they get dirty smart arse... no need for the holier than thou reply... I was just curious how much quicker they become dirty when relocated...

Time to back off with the atitude... :gtfo:

LMFAO......what the hell did you expect to happen when you submerge the pod in water :nuts:

seriosly think about this guys.


was that whole post directed at everyone here? are we all braindead? A few people already said exactly what you said in regards to the car stalling if the car submerges in water, and most of your post actually, so i dont see why it needed repeating.

So ease up a bit hey, could be wrong, but you are sounding like you think you know everything
:nuts:

Ok Heres a few pics, although they arn't the best due to the clear acylic, and silver flashtac and low light, but you should get the idea.

Around the front of the bumper is screwed to the scew holes, and sealed with some stick-on foam tape to form a seal. the acylic is cut to suit the corner of the bumper back to the wheel guard. a small acylic flap was added at the back to help reduce the amount of crap spun off the wheel. this was secured with flashtac on both sides. same on the inside (towards engine) very small flap placed and secured with flashtac to help again

This costed me nothing at all apart from 2 hours (I made this by parts i already had sitting in the shed). All you need is some acrylic, a figsaw, flashtac (or something else for that matter) and a spare couple of hours

Defeats the purpose of cai a bit. Most of the pod is covered

well that post was realy directed at the people who are empty minded and baging out thsmokers cold air kits...i personally know first hand that they work...and the moron who started this thread stuffed up the instilation and imediatly blamed thsmokers kit for for his self imposed problem....

he obviasly has the i.q. of a wet tea bag.

thus brings me to my point...if you or anyone else is ofended by my post, i realy couldn't give a crap :gtfo:

its mindless idiots like the moron who started this thread that will breed idiocy into the world and hold back the people who acually can think for them selves and want to do mods to their cars but dont under advice from a spanker who cant even think logically

seriosly...

to all who have anything against my posts, i advise they click this link before trying to show everyone their complete stupidity


http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/posting.html

was that whole post directed at everyone here? are we all braindead? A few people already said exactly what you said in regards to the car stalling if the car submerges in water, and most of your post actually, so i dont see why it needed repeating.

So ease up a bit hey, could be wrong, but you are sounding like you think you know everything
:nuts:


i am aware of this and unlike most people i do read a whole thread before replying to anything....

i am not trying to have a go at everyone....just the morons who are baging out stuff they know little of, or about lol

look one thing i wish to make VERY clear is that i am not one of them people who think "commodores are everything" infact holden **** me to tears, just ask thsmoker...technology is old AND outdated ect.i like a lot of cars and makes. my preferance just happnes to be holden so do NOT think that i am here trying to cause **** because i am a holden fan..i am far from biased.

i am just simply sick to death of people from all types of forums ruining them, being complete GITS, AND blaming people for crap that is not their fault FULL STOP.

well that post was realy directed at the people who are empty minded and baging out thsmokers cold air kits...i personally know first hand that they work...and the moron who started this thread stuffed up the instilation and imediatly blamed thsmokers kit for for his self imposed problem....

he obviasly has the i.q. of a wet tea bag.

thus brings me to my point...if you or anyone else is ofended by my post, i realy couldn't give a crap :gtfo:

its mindless idiots like the moron who started this thread that will breed idiocy into the world and hold back the people who acually can think for them selves and want to do mods to their cars but dont under advice from a spanker who cant even think logically

seriosly...

to all who have anything against my posts, i advise they click this link before trying to show everyone their complete stupidity


http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/posting.html
Well unfortunately mate we don't appreciate people like yourself who set out to flame others. I don't know why you have popped up out of no where on this quest to prove your superiority... sounds like a raw nerve was struck... maybe?

Oh and by the way, a word of advice... before you criticise other people's intelligence, have a good look at your own

he obviasly has the i.q. of a wet tea bag.if you think you are that smart.... best learn how to spell... lol

I no, it blocks off some of the intake where it can pickup air from, but i can live with that, and I will take it off after winter, and when nessesory (eg drags) as its only secured by 2 10mm bolts - like its that hard to take off

Now I love love Smokers Induction kit notherless and still recomend it dew to its performances gains and awsome "smooth" barrel sound of pipes sucking air combined with the high flow throttle.

Most of us understand that we would have to clean the pod more often - your crazy if you think that it would extend its service life.

I DO and DID NOT blame TH Smoker for this incident, as I was the idiot who decided to drive thorugh a stream of water which I knew was extremely risky to start off.

The purpose of this thread was to find out if anyone has had this problem before with the kit, and to make people aware of the problems that I had, and make sure that anyone would not have this problem in the future (hopefully)

i am aware of this and unlike most people i do read a whole thread before replying to anything....

i am not trying to have a go at everyone....just the morons who are baging out stuff they know little of, or about lol

look one thing i wish to make VERY clear is that i am not one of them people who think "commodores are everything" infact holden **** me to tears, just ask thsmoker...technology is old AND outdated ect.i like a lot of cars and makes. my preferance just happnes to be holden so do NOT think that i am here trying to cause **** because i am a holden fan..i am far from biased.

i am just simply sick to death of people from all types of forums ruining them, being complete GITS, AND blaming people for crap that is not their fault FULL STOP.
OK, that's somewhat better... I just think you were way out of line before... I know you may not give two hoots for what I think, but that sort of outburst sort of doesn't help with forums either... people get along relatively well here and we don't often see posts like your first one.

I do hear what you are saying but just chill a bit... these forums work well... you can get the point across without stomping on people in the process... yeah we have some real dodgy threads and posts, but that's part and parcel...

We are all learning at our own speed and people with more experience often have more tolerance for those who don't...

Well unfortunately mate we don't appreciate people like yourself who set out to flame others. I don't know why you have popped up out of no where on this quest to prove your superiority... sounds like a raw nerve was struck... maybe?

Oh and by the way, a word of advice... before you criticise other people's intelligence, have a good look at your own
if you think you are that smart.... best learn how to spell... lol


lmfao... i am the last person in this world who thinks he is superior.. i have bi-polar dissorder so that in its self makes me inferior.the fact that i cant spell for **** as you have pointed out nicely does not worry me in the slightest, and i am comfortable with the fact that i cant spell lol

but i do not start threads with an insulting title to begin with and i further do not dribble about things that i dont know about.

i cant believe you are a moderator in this forum and giving biased opinions such as quote "Well unfortunately mate we don't appreciate people like yourself who set out to flame others." unquote suggesting "magna owners"

i am not here to cause any crap, i just felt this thread was totally unfair on thsmoker as he is a very good mate of mine and has done no one of any harm at all...in fact the kits he sells he getts very little profit from, he just wants to help the community you guys have here.

i occasionly drop in this forum from time to time and enjoy some of the knowledgable threads in the tech section and it seems this forum works very well.

no harm done all is well lol

nah thats its, im not letting this one go.


well that post was realy directed at the people who are empty minded and baging out thsmokers cold air kits...i personally know first hand that they work...and the moron who started this thread stuffed up the instilation and imediatly blamed thsmokers kit for for his self imposed problem....

he obviasly has the i.q. of a wet tea bag.

thus brings me to my point...if you or anyone else is ofended by my post, i realy couldn't give a crap :gtfo:

its mindless idiots like the moron who started this thread that will breed idiocy into the world and hold back the people who acually can think for them selves and want to do mods to their cars but dont under advice from a spanker who cant even think logically

seriosly...


on EVERY single one of your points there, you are WRONG.

I have read and re-read Gazza's first post, and i am stumped at how anyone could be so STUPID to completely mis-interpret what he was saying as bagging out TH Smoker kit. he was clearly not.

Its something that someone with the i.q. of a wet tea bag would do
:nuts: :nuts:

i cant believe you are a moderator in this forum and giving biased opinions such as quote "Well unfortunately mate we don't appreciate people like yourself who set out to flame others." unquote suggesting "magna owners"
Whatever :roll: ... how ever you want to interpret it you go right ahead...Just seems like you have a mighty big chip on your shoulder...

The thread wasn't titled too well, i'll give you that... but not myself nor anyone has bagged TH Smoker... I personally have nothing against him...hell I wanted one of the kits and spoke to him briefly about it in IRC ages ago... but I decided against it in the end... I think you are being over sensitive.

If you don't like my moderating then that is well... your problem. Care factor = 0

Screw this, Im not going to waste any more time on this thread, im goin for a drive to listen to the roar of a miitsi 3.5 v6 with smokers induction......

Sic VS V6

Enjoy your 5 day ban.

There's little need for me to explain myself here, as everyone without an iq of a wet tea bag can tell why you've earned it.

And if this attitude continues, it's permanent.