hey hey peeps :D

youve all listened to me p!ss and moan the last couple of weeks so i thought id tell you about a stroke of good luck i had yesterday...

If you all remember genie extractors when they were good... well the dude that designs them is now doing them for himself, and wants to start doing Magna extractors...

My mate who owns fisher performance on muller road rang me last night and he's like,
"hey dude me mate wants to borrow your car to design some extractors, you up?"

And of course im like "F*CK YEAH MAN :D"

so on monday my car goes to this dudes workshop to get some magna extractors built... and i get them at COST price for doing this for him... im talking to me mate at fisher about offering AMC members the extractors cheaper for being AMC members so cool eh :D

They will be a big a$$ extractor, pipe bent, because you only really need a mandril bend when its a turbo car... therefore.... MORE TORQUE & MORE ACTION lol

im also getting an exhaust, CAI, coilovers, and a strut brace... why? BECAUSE I CAN!!!

and yes i will fix my front bar at the same time :D

word up people

Sounds awesome dude.

Dont forget to keep us updated on the availibility for the rest of us.
Maybe group buy peeps?

pipe bent, because you only really need a mandril bend when its a turbo car...

no, not really...... who told you that? smooth/improved flow is great no matter what the aspiration.

great news btw!!

no, not really...... who told you that? smooth/improved flow is great no matter what the aspiration.

great news btw!!

My mate who owns fishers told me that, apparently when its n/a you get a greater torque increase out of a press bend..?

Dont quote me on that btw lol im not a mechanic but thats what i got told... who knows, but he does performance mods as a living, so he must know something ? :confused:

My mate who owns fishers told me that, apparently when its n/a you get a greater torque increase out of a press bend..?

Dont quote me on that btw lol im not a mechanic but thats what i got told... who knows, but he does performance mods as a living, so he must know something ? :confused:

That could be said for initial low down torque. Press bent piping has poorer flow so adds an initial back pressure that equates to quicker build of torque down low, but the gain is very small and short lived. Mandrel (sp?) bent extractors might have a slightlly lower initial torque increase, but more than make up for in throughout the remaining rev range as gas flow increases :D

aah k cheers for that mate :D as i said im not quite sure about all this...

although as i said in my first post of this thread the dude thats doing them designed the awesome genie extractors so he must do some thing right eh :D

Not EXACTLY sure how they are gonna be, as they dont exist yet...

watch this space for further details, car goes for it on mondy :D

Either way, I'm sure they will make an improvment on your car, so at cost price I wouldn't be worried :P

*crosses fingers*

i want extractors now!
let us know how you go and how much power these babies give you, im always keen for a power upgrade to the verada

yeah i will eh, the best part about it is... FREE DYNOGRAPH!!!!
(forgot to mention that in first post sorry)

So i will be able to show you real results people :D

So i will be able to show you real results people :D
That's what we want to see. My only questions is where were these 'awesome Genie' headers in the first place? I remember looking to see if they had some about 3-4 years ago and the answer was no.

That's what we want to see. My only questions is where were these 'awesome Genie' headers in the first place? I remember looking to see if they had some about 3-4 years ago and the answer was no.

what do you mean man? im not sure what your asking?
genie make extractors i thought...

They will be a big a$$ extractor, pipe bent, because you only really need a mandril bend when its a turbo car... therefore.... MORE TORQUE & MORE ACTION lol


Hu????
Not really at all. Mandrel bending maintains the pipe diameter almost unchanged where as press bending will "squash" it bit. Obviously press is better than the std exh manifold in most cars, but not as good as mandrel.
Also, the bigger the better is incorrect too - primary pipe diameter and lenght are related and have to be exact for each size of engine/cylinder to create best possible flow.
Ensure u get proper stuff, not Bodgy Brothers....
But, keep us posted (not that I need headers, but)

Hu????
Not really at all. Mandrel bending maintains the pipe diameter almost unchanged where as press bending will "squash" it bit. Obviously press is better than the std exh manifold in most cars, but not as good as mandrel.
Also, the bigger the better is incorrect too - primary pipe diameter and lenght are related and have to be exact for each size of engine/cylinder to create best possible flow.
Ensure u get proper stuff, not Bodgy Brothers....
But, keep us posted (not that I need headers, but)

Yeah man, its the real deal, not dogy bros. inc so its cool eh :D
i really dont know what they will be eh, mebbe mandrel, mebbe press, not sure... ill keep you all posted

Mandrel benders are VERY EXPENSIVE. Think $500K+. Most shop just get a heap of pipe bent into 180degree U-bends by mandrel and cut these to the angle they want.

I assure the Ladies and Gentlemen reading this that the type of bend used is the least of their worries. If you can make a long, equal length set of primaries and you get no distortion from press bending due to only bending small angles, then press bending is more than adequate for the job.

I'd be more concerned about how the flange is made, how the collector is formed, how the internal collector space is arranged for maximum scavenging etc.

What materials are they going to use? HPC options?

Get informed, try Google - it doesn't bite. ;)

ezy-boy, your right mate, $500k is expensive..... :bowrofl:

Icemagik... stop being a tight a$$ lol

ezy-boy, your right mate, $500k is expensive..... :bowrofl:

Whats so funny about $500K. EZ is talking about the bending machine costing 500K, not a set of extractors lol

burned :cry:

burned :cry:

aaaw im sorry buddy...

what do you mean man? im not sure what your asking?
genie make extractors i thought...
Yes, I know they make extractors but when did they make Magna ones? Or are you saying that this guy has left and now wants to make ones for Magnas?

Yes, I know they make extractors but when did they make Magna ones? Or are you saying that this guy has left and now wants to make ones for Magnas?

yeah thats exactly what im saying mate :D got it in one :D

yeah i will eh, the best part about it is... FREE DYNOGRAPH!!!!
(forgot to mention that in first post sorry)

So i will be able to show you real results people :D
I'm assuming your getting before and after dyno's? :confused:

thats what ive been told eh

thats pretty sweet deal mate wish i could get one like that.......Question: does any other preformace companys make magna extractors.....cos i cant find anything???

thats pretty sweet deal mate wish i could get one like that.......Question: does any other preformace companys make magna extractors.....cos i cant find anything???

At least Pacemaker and RPW that I know of.

I think Genie and Hurricane as well..

Mind you Hurricane and RPW extractors are made by the same place.

bet u got a bit of itnerest of the ralliart headers lined up :) sell em on ebay, last set fetched a decent amount, u could amost make it back since ur paying cost price :P

what do you reckon i could get for them?

At least Pacemaker and RPW that I know of.

I thought he asked for performance companies :cough: ;)

i cant find the ebay link nemore, but from my dodgy memory it was over $150+, anybody else who followed the auction more closely remember?

thats ok... ill put em up for $155 when theyre outta the car...

ill post with details for em when im done :D

cheers telly

a bit off topic. I went to my mechanic the other day who does performance upgrades as well and asked if i bought some extractors and gave them to him to install could he do it for me. Of course the answer was yes but he said something that im not sure of. This is a really newb kinda question WHAT are extractors? like is it the name for an entire exhaust upgrade. of just the pipes that head out of the engine bay down under the car and then join to stock pipes?? cause the quote i got a long time ago for $1000 was for extractors that leads out to a dual cannon pipe out the rear of the car.
im really very new to engine talk, i am very keen to learn but i know next to nothing about some of the things everyone here talks about :redface:

Sometimes called headers as well, they are the pipes (manifold) that are bolted to ya engine (head) and down to the cat and thru pipes under the car.
The stock manifold on most cars are cast and very short and dont flow well etc but extractors are designed to create better flow of exhaust gases away from the engine (head) by being bent pipe and longer primarys (the first set of pipes before they merge into each other)
Simple explination but hopefully you can get the picture

I like pictures.

that makes heaps of sence now.

Thanks Alot :D

Pretty sure Genie made extractors for the magna Astron engine, as i've seen a few for sale.

Yep, and nth sth astrons such as sigma/scorp :D

Car went in this morning :D

will get it back on wednesday, so i will let you all know how things go... cant wait im so excited :D

My first engine mod EVER :D

yay for me, 1000 posts lol

noice :cool:

w00000t, the extractors are on as of yesterday, and they are pretty cool i must say :D

it was raining here yesterday so i couldnt take it for a flat out flogging, but straight line was still reasonably good, save for the traction free launches :P

From take off there is no noticable difference in the extractors, or none that i could tell last night, BUT once i got over 100kph, the pick up was noticably better :D

it revved out MUCH quicker, and had a lot more torque at the high revs... is this what aftermarket extractors are usually like?

im not sure wether or not is the ol "ive spent cash so its faster" syndrome or wether or not it is ACTUALLY better, but from a short drive those are the differences i noticed...

BTW still havnt got pricing for them, ill talk to him about maybe doing special deals for AMC members :D

No before and after dynos then?

Interesting. Most people I know who installed headers experience a noticeable improvement in low down torque but I guess it all depends on the design of the extractors, I don't know. Did you get the Dyno results? :)

Did you get the exhaust done too from the cat back? Coilovers?

So wheres the pictures?

Stop spamming the forums for like 10 minutes and take some photo's..

So wheres the pictures?

Stop spamming the forums for like 10 minutes and take some photo's..

naw no photo's, sorry bud, ill try to get some on the weekend :D

no dyno results... damn tightass mofo, but we got our SA dyno day next weekend, and there will be a bog stock ralliart manual there, and mine, so we can compare the two i guess?

there MAY be more torque, but couldnt tell yesterday because of the rain, ah god i miss traction :P

naw no photo's, sorry bud, ill try to get some on the weekend :D

no dyno results... damn tightass mofo, but we got our SA dyno day next weekend, and there will be a bog stock ralliart manual there, and mine, so we can compare the two i guess?

there MAY be more torque, but couldnt tell yesterday because of the rain, ah god i miss traction :P Well your dyno results wont help for squat man in finding out if you gained power.

You really needed to do a before and after dyno. Guess you will never know whether its in your head or really is a result of the extractors.

You car and someone elses will be totally different.

I cant believe you didnt get any pics of them being made, put in your car or even before they were put in for all of the excitement youve been going on about. If your 'mate' didnt want you taking pics then how are you gonna tell if there is any weld problems, if they are true mandrel bends etc etc.

Its gonna be very hard to sell them if theres no info on them.

yeah i know, its not my mate that was making them, it was my mate that knows this guy...

ill try to get them to do some info on them, and meh, im selling the car soon so im not fussed if there were any power gains really :D

yeah i know, its not my mate that was making them, it was my mate that knows this guy...

ill try to get them to do some info on them, and meh, im selling the car soon so im not fussed if there were any power gains really :D
Fair enough...

Whats your next ride gonna be?

Fair enough...

Whats your next ride gonna be?

sorta an upgrade downgrade...

Evolution III Lancer, with front & rear LSD's & i gots a nos kit lined up for it already w0000t

take some pics and show us all............
power difference need a dyno too :cool:
some mods are all in the head uve done somthing so u think thats its amazing,
only way to tell now is to dyno then put on yur old ones and dyno again :P

take some pics and show us all............
power difference need a dyno too :cool:
some mods are all in the head uve done somthing so u think thats its amazing,
only way to tell now is to dyno then put on yur old ones and dyno again :P

no way man, thats far too much *** about when im a tad down on the ol $$$ situation atm eh

nice upgrade !

evo III rox

nice upgrade !

evo III rox

yeah, the only reason im changing is because ive already reached the limits of what the stock ralliart can do, and i dont have enough moolah to bring it up to speed, so the EVO III looks like the way to go :D

sorta an upgrade downgrade...

Evolution III Lancer, with front & rear LSD's & i gots a nos kit lined up for it already w0000t
Youll be happy in one of those.

Are you gonna say that no one can catch you on the twisty runs because youre in an AWD now? (having a poke at you mate heheh)

Youll be happy in one of those.

Are you gonna say that no one can catch you on the twisty runs because youre in an AWD now? (having a poke at you mate heheh)

ah yes... was waiting for that... only took three posts... WORD UP TO BAIN w0000t

and yes mate, i will start a thread on the evo... look forward to the flames :D

and yes, im still twenty, and the best driver in australia in a FWD ;)

(j/k's for people that dont know the flame history lol)

sorta an upgrade downgrade...

Evolution III Lancer, with front & rear LSD's & i gots a nos kit lined up for it already w0000t

Nice. Actual EVO III or GSR? Plenty of GSRs in oz running 11s.

and yes, im still twenty, and the best driver in australia in a FWD ;)


just letting you know that you arent haha

so who got yur ralliart extractors ?

just letting you know that you arent haha

so who got yur ralliart extractors ?

well heath young got in first with them, but im still deciding...

not sure how much its gonna cost to freight them, so once i sort that out ill let you all know, but yeah, ge got first dibs :D

well heath young got in first with them, but im still deciding...

not sure how much its gonna cost to freight them, so once i sort that out ill let you all know, but yeah, ge got first dibs :Doh i dont want them, how am i gonna strap my turbo on them :nuts:

just curious who got them and to see their gains from them

well heath young got in first with them, but im still deciding...

not sure how much its gonna cost to freight them, so once i sort that out ill let you all know, but yeah, ge got first dibs :D

yeh you were gonna sell em to me if is too much for the freight.. I live in SA. lol

yeh you were gonna sell em to me if is too much for the freight.. I live in SA. lol

yeah i know... im thinking thats MUCH easier :D

vrx, i do believe your 3rd inline mate ! :D

vrx, i do believe your 3rd inline mate ! :D

cor, nath, dude, do you want the customs or the ralliarts man??? lol

vrx, i do believe your 3rd inline mate ! :D

Is that so? Ok. I'll take ya word for it..hehe. don't want to jump the line. lol

I had a set of ralliart headers and matching front pipe. I gave them away to a bloke with a magna wagon only 3 months ago.

hahahaha

im just messin... il b waitin for customs bro.


flog off ya ralliarts


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hahahaha

im just messin.....il b waitin for customs bro.


flog of ya ralliarts

ah thank christ for that man... was getting confusing lol

surely the Customs are gonna be sweet

u dont waste time making something, that isnt cheap, if you dont know what your doin !

surely the Customs are gonna be sweet

u dont waste time making something, that isnt cheap, if you dont know what your doin !

precisley :D

surely the Customs are gonna be sweet

u dont waste time making something, that isnt cheap, if you dont know what your doin !
Unless its your first attempt at said project :)

How long are the primaries on these headers? Short primaries will give high rpm improvements, long primaries make low rpm torquers.

Hard to say about the 'test run' in the rain 'cause the air would be cooler and denser too.

Should notice an improvement on a stock Magna, not so much on a Ralliart esp if the primaries pipes aren't much longer than the Ralliart stocks.