me and "Harro" just accuired a TP manga 5 speed


just wondering how much the EFI motors put up with a turbo say if we were to run just something small that spools up at lower RPM say running maybe something like 7psi???

it wont cost us much at all just because my brother does alot of welding and makes exhuast's so a manifold could be made up fairly easily

also what smaller turbo's would be suited for quicker spool that are common aswell??

would the stock 5speed also cope with much??

thanks

quick response: from what ppl on here have done 7psi will be fine on stock efi
5 speed is stronger than the auto, so will be fine so long as its not ****ted already
turbos - aussie has a td04 (where is he gone neway?) and the car was fine, others go for turbos similar to capacity of engine, like rb25 that sorta thing.

if you are doing it cheap tho, watever is going cheap
:P

oh and let us know how you go about drilling the oil drain into the sump and getting the oil feed and if gets enough fuel on the stock ecu, we wana see more turbo first gens :cool:

so has anyone turbo'ed a 2.6 on stock ECU?? TD05 is that off a cordia???

Hey..

Me and kaddis picked it up and realised.... it's not as bad as we thought. Would be a good idea for a bit of a project car.

Gear box is good, better than my TR's.

i think sagna is running stock ecu - with additional fuel injector for more fuel. I think autospeed or jaycar have a small kit to set up an additioanl injector.
aussies td04 was off wrx

AH ok sweet. if it can be done thats cool.

Yeah WRX turbo is what we were thinking

go for it ey, i think most first gen ppl want turbs, in my case scuba diving is now a pretty expesnive hobby so teh car is well...no longer being modded :redface:

if ya don't lhave time for ya car.... will trade you ya 17's for 4 stockies with brand new tread?? lol

haha i dont have the money to mod the car anymore, without the rims theres not much of a car left :bowrofl: i did try the 2 rims on teh back look with 2 stockos on the front look...it got more looks that way ...probably not for good reason though lol

if u are only running 7psi, and want it spooling early, the TD04's are designed to spool early. smaller turbos will give the car a more torquey feel usually but top end will be lacking.

i would use a TD04 in ur case. $200 and youll have urself a perfectly fine TD04. try www.wrx.com.au or something. im a member just to see how much turbos are, i got bout 6 ppl wanting to sell me theirs with prices ranging from $200 to $300 for decent turbos.

thats sweet as thats real cheap!!

well im finding out about 1 tomorrow so i'll get back to you! thanks

things to think of... stating the obvious here but here goes...

turbo (oil cooled? where are u going to tape the oil return line too? i've heard of ppl just drilling back straight into the sump then attaching the return line here)
exhaust manifold
VL turbo fuel pump (or something that can feed more fuel)
fuel pressure regulator
injectors (u are only running low boost, u may not need to get larger injectors)
BOV (try a plumback, its a magna after all... keep it sleeper :D)

these astrons CAN hold up to 12psi on stock internals. BUT, safe level is no more than 10psi.

astrons like to heat up any chance they get aswell so maybe u guys can look at some sort of oil cooler. and are you's going to get an intercooler? stock skyline intercoolers (will do the job perfect for just 7psi) cost around $99. then u need piping etc.

Yeah. With piping and stuff. Kaddis's bro is a good welder so piping can get made. Small intercooler would be ok too. Maybe even top mount.

I've heard of alot of people using the VL turbo fuel pumps. So it seems like a good idea.

So you reakon it could easily run 10psi??

As for BOV, no plumb back. Gotta have noise..!!!

nah no top mount!! i want something out the front!!!!!!!!:D:D

wouldn't want to risk running 10psi i reckon around 7 should still be alright

Yeah. With piping and stuff. Kaddis's bro is a good welder so piping can get made. Small intercooler would be ok too. Maybe even top mount.

I've heard of alot of people using the VL turbo fuel pumps. So it seems like a good idea.

So you reakon it could easily run 10psi??

As for BOV, no plumb back. Gotta have noise..!!!

well im a carby first gen owner and i can run 10psi easy wen setup right. setup right as in fuel pump, pressure regulator etc. the internals will handle 12psi, it's bin proven. but yeah, i would only be game enough to go 10psi.

im not 100% sure if the ECU will like the boost though. i always thought u would need a full aftermarket ECU. the 1st gen ecu's dont like to be played with.

a top mount IC would b mad... get a scoop :D like mine haha

also, if u wanna look at getting another cam from the wreckers and grinding it to mild cam specs. it cost me $120 to get that done. and it made a HUGE difference.

EDIT: wat kind of condition is the engine in anyway? blows smoke? leaks oil?

nah motor doesn't blow smoke and not to sure yet about it leaking oil???

will find out in the next few days if it does!


thanks for all the info!

what are the differences in doing a similar low boost turbo setup on a 2nd gen?
will the 2nd gen 4cyl EFI deliver enough fuel for a mild turbo?

Hey kaddis it never left a drop of oil in my driveway the whole time it was there...like November last year.

or mabey coz it didnt have any... u better check

keep us informed about the piping and stuff(TD04) , i might get u to make a second set of pipes?mounts and we do some more bu$iness eh!!

VL fuel pumps and injectors are always forsale on www.calaisturbo.com.au
lotsa ECU goodies too...
have you seen the stock intercooler on a VL turbo? They go in front of the front-left wheel, mabey one can be adapted to suit the green beast....
my mate also adapted and old air conditioner condenser into an oil cooler for $20, does the job

Hope it all works out

MAG86

what are the differences in doing a similar low boost turbo setup on a 2nd gen?
will the 2nd gen 4cyl EFI deliver enough fuel for a mild turbo?

no differences, exactly the same. it is, afterall, the same astron engine.

im assuming the 2nd gens had upgraded fuel pumps, it MAY be able to provide enough fuel for low boost applications. maybe 6 or 7psi yes. the stock 1st gen ones wont so unless the 2nd gen fuel pumps are upgraded and can handle more flow, then u have to replace this aswell.

so yeah, in conclusion, same engine, same things u will want to look for. it shouldnt make too much differnece but remember that the 2nd gen EFI cars had a slightly higher compression ratio (9.0:1) than any of the 1st gens (which had 8.8:1). you CAN get a low compression head gasket and put that on if u are really worried. it will lower the CR slightly, not sure by how much but yeah, it lowers it

EDIT: just did alittle more research... if u arent using any aftermarket engine management etc, using stock injectors and running only 6-7psi MAX, just a FMU is fine. FMU's are essentialy boost-dependent fuel pressure regulators. Install the FMU downstream from the stock pressure regulator. The Vortech FMU will only activate when the engine is under boost. it is very inexpensive yes but the fuel "curve" is always in a straight line. intercoolers are also recommended, even with just a 6-7psi application

http://www.turbocalculator.com/sale-fuel.php

VL fuel pumps and injectors are always forsale on www.calaisturbo.com.au
lotsa ECU goodies too...
have you seen the stock intercooler on a VL turbo? They go in front of the front-left wheel, mabey one can be adapted to suit the green beast....
my mate also adapted and old air conditioner condenser into an oil cooler for $20, does the job

Hope it all works out

MAG86

A VL turbo didn't have an intercooler when stock, the cooler you saw sounds like a professional aftermarket setup like AVO.

TM-SE-RED, thanks :thumbsup: if it's that straght forward this will probably become a reality in the next year or so, i have been considering it for a while. No point in fitting a TS head with smaller chambers as i had planned. I was thinking of using the exhaust manifold of the 2.6L turbo starion from the US these sit the turbo on top beside the rocker cover. The catch is I am going to do this on a dual fuel car which I haven't seen done. only seen turbo and straight LPG.

do the fmu pressure regs vary fuel pressure in line with boost? what sort of $$$ are the worth?

yeh im a gold member on calaisturbo.com.au so im lookin out for some parts

also yeh the VL turbo's never had stock coolers but the one you described came out stock on skylines and S13's

The VL turbo cooler u are refering to sounds like a AVO stage 1 which is what im running.
In my opinon i would go a TD05 turbo, much more potential. Also dont forget ur gonna need to beef up the clutch. intercooler wise try and sorce a s14/s15 cooler, bigger then s13s and will hold upto 12psi no problems

yeah sorry, i was thinking about my mates BT1 Interceptor
Did AVO build the cop VLs?
he had the intercooler and reckons it came like it, but anyways...

Are there any benefits in a supercharger? then u wouldnt really have to worry about ECUs and injectors , turbo manifold etc

just piping, a good mounting setup, and a $395 jap s/c???

i want to turbo or S/C my dual fuel TM, so i was just toying with the idea....

The VL turbo cooler u are refering to sounds like a AVO stage 1 which is what im running.
In my opinon i would go a TD05 turbo, much more potential. Also dont forget ur gonna need to beef up the clutch. intercooler wise try and sorce a s14/s15 cooler, bigger then s13s and will hold upto 12psi no problems

they are only running on stock internals. they dont need the TD05 for its potential. this is a low boost, 6-7psi application. aslong as the clutch is fine atm, they won't need to upgrade it. sure it will die alot quicker cause it will have abit more power running through it, but they can upgrade it in the future.

a stock skyline IC off something liek a GTS-T is perfect. $99 and that is great for 6-7psi or so. cheap aswell. im just throwing out cheap and effective mods just for 6-7psi which is wat they asked for.

i have to mention the oil cooler again, im going to get one straight away wen i turbo my car. i will b running stock internals, and 10psi MAX... 7psi or so around town. and i will have everything i have mentioned, though i am upgrading to a heavy duty clutch (mines on the way out anyway).

if ur friend is good with a welder and is going to make u a manifold, would he be interested in making a second one for me? will just be a mirror image of yours, as im using a TD04 turbo too

yeh well my brother is making up the manifold he's good with welding and does it everyday and just invested in a big mother of a welder at home so yeh the magna's gettin a roady done in next few weeks then once thats out the way get stuck into it......let you know how we go!

Cool i cant wait :D

I was thinking about installing a turbo since im running a rebuilt engine with a recondition head but the accident i had has put me off because alot of the car behind the bumper and where the bonnet release bolts on too is bent.

Even though my bro and I fixed it, it will never look the same :cry: