Installed the anti lift kit that took whiteline 4 weeks to make but its here now and in :D
getting the old bush's out had to pay an extra $50 for some other ppl to do it, we couldnt press it out neither could they so they had to cut it out then chisel the rest of the stuff out it was in there that tight
Need a wheel alignment which is getting done 8am tomorrow morning
other then that its all good :cool:
first attempt for a hard take off nothing but wheel spin haha but yeh u can definatly notice the difference, havnt had a chance to thrash it round yet but will do tomorrow

any ways here is some pics as we went along today

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1448.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1450.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1548.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1617.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1618.jpg

good sh!t mate, as good as expected??, any tromp at all now??

Excuse the lack of knowledge, but what are you referring to by 'anti lift kit' :confused:
I am guessing just lowered springs, new shockies and boots.

In the words of pauline, 'Please explain?'

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1548.jpg

these are the inserts which replace the original ones, and there are some spacers which changes the angle of the control arm

So how much did this cost all up if i may ask, fitting and all.

As if i sell my magna to my sister ill try to get some nice handling mods done to the next car.

Tom

kit is $200
cost me another $50 to get the bushes out and new ones in

labour to put them in was free, other wise u'd b looking at around an hr or so to have some one install them for u

oh and wheel alignment $40

your anti lift kit doesnt work bro, it seems to have a negative effect, my car doesnt usually sit 2 meteres off the ground

your anti lift kit doesnt work bro, it seems to have a negative effect, my car doesnt usually sit 2 meteres off the ground


we got a comedian here....
stand up festival to raise AMC funds :cool:

he he he...

So all said and done, how many hours? Car sit much lower? How much?
So did you just reset the origonal springs and shoks, or have you got upmarket gear and your resetting that?

Again, the need for a 'please explain' prevails

he he he...

So all said and done, how many hours? Car sit much lower? How much?
So did you just reset the origonal springs and shoks, or have you got upmarket gear and your resetting that?

Again, the need for a 'please explain' prevails
ummm where did u get the springs and shocks involved :nuts:
it took around 30 mins to take off and install,
another 30 mins to get the bushes changed

NFI IDEA WHAT I'M LOOKING AT OR WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO MEAN...


but yeah, furly sH1kk!!! bR00)!!1!2

We'll see after the wheel alignment how it goes around corners and hard launches :)

When u said inserts, I assumed you meant spring inserts, help me out here mate...
What comes in the kit, and what does it do?

one more time... please explain

two lines is hardly an explanation

ok step by step
these are the new inserts
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1548.jpg
and this is them on the car with spacers above them
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1617.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1618.jpg

'inserts' not a technical term or explanation
pictures- blurry, bad light and without explanation
'explanation' is a term referring to a detailed description of a process and parts involved

see the blue things with the hole in them
they are the inserts

ok, on what component of the cars suspension/steering system are they inserted and what does this achieve?

its connected to the lower control arm

ok so all it is is a kit of bushes for the control arm?
What does it achieve, does it keep the front of the car lower when you accelerate?

Meh, so is the kit just the inserts?

I'm not exactly sure whats involved in them. I'm looking at an anti lift kit for the TR/TS (I BLOODY need it lol) and noone's interested. Whiteline basically told me to f off.

Whats in the kit and are you able to take more clearer pics? Because I think that the TE/TF ones aren't too dissimilar to the TR/TS setups, that's all.

Cheers mate.

kit comes with inserts and some spacers and new bolts.
dont have any other clearer pics at the moment caz i just had my mobile there

The anti-lift kit comprisies basically of different poly bushes to control the back of the A-arm. Basically it sits it lower (giving more castor?) and in a harder bush giving you better control. See how the hole in the insert (bush) is offset? This reduces wheel tramping and hopes to give you better traction.

Aaaah, right. All makes sense now! Thanks mate.

Thanks guys....Would love it if you could get more clear pics, because the part you're talking about looks the same as a TR/TS. So I might be able to use a TE anti lift kit.

Thanks again

there are two types though killbilly,
just get under yur car and have a look,
mine are 22mm and no bolts,
and there is the other design 18mm and is threaded on

It helps to do a search on anti-lift kits either in the forum or on google but heres an attempt at an explanation of what it does:

The anti-lift kit by Whiteline attempts to reduce the transfer of weight to the rear of the car as to have more weight remaining in the front portion of the car to get more front traction and hence more power to the ground in a FWD vehicle. As you cannot change the laws of physics, this has the side-effect of pro-dive under braking where the car 'dives' down forward more than it would before. Although, Whiteline to try to balance it out correctly between anti-lift and pro-dive.

here's a complete overiew:

www.whiteline.com.au/articles/Effect%20of%20WL%20ALK_b.pdf

Arghh, that got SO frustrating to read...

All somebody had to do was say exactly what this kit is and what it does.

Seriously. :doh: lol

there are two types though killbilly,
just get under yur car and have a look,
mine are 22mm and no bolts,
and there is the other design 18mm and is threaded on

This is why more pics would help ;)

I know, thats what I was trying to get at.
Cheers to those who gave an explanation. I understand what it is and what it does now.
When 'anti lift kit' was first brought up, I thought it was just a funny term for lowering the car and reversing the 'lift kit' effect of stock springs!
I know my car with stock springs looks like its jacked up :D

This is why more pics would help ;)
means i gotta get it up on the hoist again... meh
i'll see wat i can do

means i gotta get it up on the hoist again... meh
i'll see wat i can do

Thanks mate, don't go to too much trouble..if you can't you can't.

Would be GREATLY appreciated if you can though.

so do the new inserts come with those brackets, or do you have to press them in, if they come with those brackets, unfortunately Killbilly, they won't fit a 2nd gen, as that bracket bolts up differently.

Thanks mate, don't go to too much trouble..if you can't you can't.

Would be GREATLY appreciated if you can though.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/06-06-05_1618.jpg
best one i can see at the moment
it shows u where it hooks into the control arm,
if u can get the idea where it sits on yur car so u can have a looksie

and yeh jake u gotta get the bushes pressed in
old ones couldnt get pressed out had to cut em out and chisel the rest out was in there soo hard
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/Picture043.jpg

thats wat u get in the kit

That kit won't work for a 2nd gen as that bush/bracket is secured differently, on a 2nd gen there is 2 14mm nuts, one short 17mm bolt, and one long 17mm bolt that also secures the crossmember, so therefore you would need different spacers nuts and bolts etc to have it work properly on a 2nd gen

We could make something tho Jake??

I emailed whiteline about developing a kit and they were absolutely useless.

So we're on our own....

We could make something tho Jake??

I emailed whiteline about developing a kit and they were absolutely useless.

So we're on our own....
y would they not wanna help ??? thats just stupid

do u have any pics of yur set up on yur control arm ?

We could make something tho Jake??

I emailed whiteline about developing a kit and they were absolutely useless.

So we're on our own....
True i'll see what can be done, hay meh can you do us a favour and post up the wheel alignment report after you get it done tomorrow, and any settings that come with the kit, i'll see what i can do as i can get the factory settings for all magnas from the machine at work then take into account what comes with the kit and include some other factors like weight etc, i'l see what i can do

good sh1t again meh, jake and kb i am happy to help and lend some verbal abuse to certain companies if it may help get these developed for the ts. Otherwise im interested in your work...

True i'll see what can be done, hay meh can you do us a favour and post up the wheel alignment report after you get it done tomorrow, and any settings that come with the kit, i'll see what i can do as i can get the factory settings for all magnas from the machine at work then take into account what comes with the kit and include some other factors like weight etc, i'l see what i can donah whiteline just said to get it aligned like normal so no helpful hints from them :doubt:

my alignment is way out before i put on the kit as it is so i cant really get an idea on how far it was out before i put it on sorry..

y would they not wanna help ??? thats just stupid

do u have any pics of yur set up on yur control arm ?

This is what they said:

"Hi Paul,

Thank you for your email, and interest in Whiteline products.
Development of an Anti-Lift kit for TR Magna would require considerable time and effort, and there would need to be two different versions for 4 cyl and V6 engines as well. Unfortunately, we cannot justify such project at this stage, as our R&D section is filled out till early 2006.
Also, before even considering such product development, the function and requirement needs would have to be considered first.

Sorry we can't help this time.

Regards,
Wojtek Rogulski"

Mind you, they wouldn't have to develop for both as they didnt' develop for the 4 cyl TE's (that I'm aware of!?) Sounds like a crock of **** to me.

I know that Jake, myself and NiceM8 would be DEFINITES in purchasing these kits if they made them. "Considerable time and effort" my arse. Every time I've contacted them with something to do with a TR/TS magna they've said the same thing..and it's been the same person who's replied to me.


This was a reply to my email:

"Hi there, I emailed you a little while ago about TR/TS Magna anti lift kits, I’m the one with the DOHC 24v 3.0l V6 in a TR Magna.

Are you able to custom make an anti lift kit?

The reason I ask this is that I’m a moderator on www.aussiemagna.com and I know of a few people who are keen on getting one if there were any. Since there are none available I’m asking you because almost everyone on that site that has modified suspension has something of whiteline’s; be it a strut brace, camber kit etc. You’re tried and true with us.

I guarantee I’ll buy mine, I desperately need one. I know of, at the very least, one other who will definitely get one (he’s putting a DOHC 24v 3.5l in his KS Wagon), and there’s about half a dozen others who are interested, and when the product is thrust in their faces I’m pretty sure they’ll take it. I’ll be willing to do a testimonial for the product too.

hope you consider this as there is a calling for this, and you’d make me very happy haha!

-Paul Baker"

so u just emailed them ?
u shoulda called them and annoyed them

in a sense u could prob get one made up
get some spaces and some custom bushes,
the qld guys got them custom angine mounts made up, im sure they could make u up one for yur needs aswell..

they do have an offcentered hole though to compensate for the different angles

I've emailed and rang them...each time was the same response...just not interested...

Paul, Jake, maybe its time to go to a custom fabricator, it will be expensive, but it might be worth the effort.

This is whiteline's suggested alignment for 3rd gen's:

Front Camber: -1.5deg
Front Caster: +3.25deg
Front Toe: 0.0mm

Rear Camber: -1.0
Rear Toe: 1.5mm out


I'm about to make a massive purchase of Whiteline products, so when I do get them I'll make sure i'll get everything photographed at the highest resolution as possible.

so is it true that with anit-lift you get some mild pro-dive? - serious question btw....

well supposed to but i havnt tested it just yet
bout to go get a wheel alginment now then will be able to drive it normal and test it out

Paul, Jake, maybe its time to go to a custom fabricator, it will be expensive, but it might be worth the effort.

This is whiteline's suggested alignment for 3rd gen's:

Front Camber: -1.5deg
Front Caster: +3.25deg
Front Toe: 0.0mm

Rear Camber: -1.0
Rear Toe: 1.5mm out


I'm about to make a massive purchase of Whiteline products, so when I do get them I'll make sure i'll get everything photographed at the highest resolution as possible.

Umm...errr...you might want to double check those settings...those settings are recommended only if you're using your car for track work!


For normal/touring, the recommended settings are:

Front
Camber: -1.0 deg
Caster: 3.25 deg
Toe: 0.0mm

Rear
Camber: -1.0 deg
Toe: 0.8mm.

Also, bear in mind, the standard and anti-lift caster kits only allow for a +/- 0.5 deg static change in the caster angle, so you may not be able to acheive an even 3.25 deg caster angle on both side of the car.

Umm...errr...you might want to double check those settings...those settings are recommended only if you're using your car for track work!


For normal/touring, the recommended settings are:

Front
Camber: -1.0 deg
Caster: 3.25 deg
Toe: 0.0mm

Rear
Camber: -1.0 deg
Toe: 0.8mm.

Also, bear in mind, the standard and anti-lift caster kits only allow for a +/- 0.5 deg static change in the caster angle, so you may not be able to acheive an even 3.25 deg caster angle on both side of the car.

I have the castor/anti lift kit in my car and its done nothing to the castor angle, my car was 3deg before fitting and its 3deg after fitting the kit and YES i did fit it properly
My other specs are -1.25deg camber front and zero toe, -1.25deg camber rear and 0.5mm toe

I have the castor/anti lift kit in my car and its done nothing to the castor angle, my car was 3deg before fitting and its 3deg after fitting the kit and YES i did fit it properly
My other specs are -1.25deg camber front and zero toe, -1.25deg camber rear and 0.5mm toe


Your anti-lift kit would just have a 0 deg offset (ie; no change to the original caster angle). Whiteline only make -0.5 deg, 0 deg, and +0.5 deg offset bushes for Magnas.

Your anti-lift kit would just have a 0 deg offset (ie; no change to the original caster angle). Whiteline only make -0.5 deg, 0 deg, and +0.5 deg offset bushes for Magnas.

Mine definately has the offset bushes. The centre hole is offset to oneside.

well just had the wheel alignment i was told that the alignment wasnt too bad on the front since putting the lift kit in,


have u noticed any changes jason ?

well just had the wheel alignment i was told that the alignment wasnt too bad on the front since putting the lift kit in,


have u noticed any changes jason ?

Bugger all mate and i drive my car very hard.

on my take off i still cant give it heaps still get wheel spin but no axle tramp,
around corners its alot tighter but also just put on a strut brace

on my take off i still cant give it heaps still get wheel spin but no axle tramp,
around corners its alot tighter but also just put on a strut brace

I got rid of alot of the axle tramp when i fitted the koni's and custom springs. Even with my LSD i still get a heap of wheelspin, but i guess ya going to get that with a powerful FWD.

yer my kyb's most prob got rid of the axle tramp too,

ahh i dunno but i do know it handles awsome now

yer my kyb's most prob got rid of the axle tramp too,

ahh i dunno but i do know it handles awsome now

Mine handles good, just didnt notice much of a change when i fitted the castor/anti lift kit and strut brace.

I've emailed and rang them...each time was the same response...just not interested...

Give the guys at http://www.superpro.com.au a call, they might have time to make you guys a caster kit.

I can get a caster/camber kit from whiteline. It just doesnt have the anti-lift properties, so they say.

What is the difference anyway?

Edit: by the look of that site they're just a reseller for whiteline???

Mine definately has the offset bushes. The centre hole is offset to oneside.

I'm only going by what Whiteline told me. The original bushes in yours must have had the same offset in them if your caster hasn't changed from what it was originally. When I had mine done, I was told the 3rd gens should have a caster of 3.0 deg (+/- 0.5 deg) from the factory.

How do you find your tyre wear having your front camber at -1.25 deg? I'm thinking of running mine at that too.

I'm only going by what Whiteline told me. The original bushes in yours must have had the same offset in them if your caster hasn't changed from what it was originally. When I had mine done, I was told the 3rd gens should have a caster of 3.0 deg (+/- 0.5 deg) from the factory.

How do you find your tyre wear having your front camber at -1.25 deg? I'm thinking of running mine at that too.

My standard bushes were just good old mitsubishi ones which means they have NO offset.

My front tyre wear is excellent, my tyres wear flat. I do not have camber bolts in my car, i guess im just lucky that mine doesnt need them.

I have more problems with rear tyre wear, they wear on the inside edges. Yes i made up my own shimable top arms so that i can adjust rear camber.

I don't know :nuts: Offset bushes are the only way to adjust the caster angles in a Magna.

From what I've been told, anthing more than -1.0deg camber at the rear is too much for the 3rd gens. That might be what's causing some of the wear you're getting on the inner edges. How easy is it for you to adjust with the shims you've made up?

I don't know :nuts: Offset bushes are the only way to adjust the caster angles in a Magna.

From what I've been told, anthing more than -1.0deg camber at the rear is too much for the 3rd gens. That might be what's causing some of the wear you're getting on the inner edges. How easy is it for you to adjust with the shims you've made up?

-50' + or - 30' is standard spec for cars with 16" and 17" wheels (Remembering that 60' equals 1deg, so that means it can be approximately between a 1/4deg neg to 1 1/4deg neg.)

Its very easy to adjust my rear camber with the shims, whiteline make a kit for about $90, but i made my own for alot cheaper.

Sorry...I wasn't having a go at ya! I was just advised by 3 independent suspension places not to go more than -1 deg on the rear, 'cause otherwise it would scrub the tyres too much.

That range is pretty much spot on...it kind of confirms what every suspension specialist has told me.

I can get a caster/camber kit from whiteline. It just doesnt have the anti-lift properties, so they say.

What is the difference anyway?

Edit: by the look of that site they're just a reseller for whiteline???

Sorry my bad.

Fulcrum (aka Superpro) supposedly makes the bushes for Whiteline.

Killbilly. Id be interested in an anti-lift kit too. :D

Sorry my bad.

Fulcrum (aka Superpro) supposedly makes the bushes for Whiteline.

Ahh righteo..cheers