Does anyone know of mods that give more low end torque? Other than increasing the displacement, don't have the money to bore it out. My little 3L auto has nothing off the line. Do extractors help, or do they make it worse cos of the different air flow? I'm new to all this so sorry if these questions sound stupid. I'd appreciate any insite

Extractors can help but it depends on their design. A piggyback can improve torque across the rev range.

Cams, Nos, Computer upgrade, extractors, turbo, supercharger,

I'm making a set of LONG primary extractors in mid July at our NEW muffler shop to suit 3L. My TF needs more go hard too. Longer primaries increase low rpm torque.

The cheap improvements you can do for now include:

* Cold Air Intake
* Pod filter (I'm also making a pod filter box - see posts in "Mods")
* Flowed Throttle Body - BIG help with auto getting off the mark faster. Makes the car perkier

Mid $ Improvements

* Headers
* Replacement hi-flow muffler
* Cat-back exhaust upgrade including muffler

Higher $ Improvements

* Piggyback ECU. I.e. Haltech
* Cams
* Ported Heads

BIG $$ Improvements

* Turbo
* Supercharging
* Rebuild and buildup for Naturally Asperated engine - balanced, lightened, increased compression, cams, heads, valves etc.

Most cheap mods can be carried over into later categories with ease.

Thanks for the input guys, i'm a uni student so things like nos/turbo/supercharge are kind of out of my price bracket :boohoo:. was thinking of doing the pod with your pod box, and prob your tb, a LR2779, and pacemakers. would i get good results from this? btw with your pod box EZ, what else do i need, other than the pod (and some flexible pipe)? do i need any special connectors to connect the pod to the mas/maf thing? One last thing, what are the primaries like on pacemakers, will they increase low rpm torque much, or not really?

Thanks for the input guys, i'm a uni student so things like nos/turbo/supercharge are kind of out of my price bracket :boohoo:. was thinking of doing the pod with your pod box, and prob your tb, a LR2779, and pacemakers. would i get good results from this? btw with your pod box EZ, what else do i need, other than the pod (and some flexible pipe)? do i need any special connectors to connect the pod to the mas/maf thing? One last thing, what are the primaries like on pacemakers, will they increase low rpm torque much, or not really?

Good start. These will free up torque, improve throttle response and improve fuel economy (handy when you're studying and $ is tight)

The pod box is designed to bolt straight upto the stock MAS housing (bolts will be included). Just need to know what diameter pipe for your CAI you are using. I can have the mould pressed out to suit nearly ANY diameter CAI you are using. Most CAI are using PVC because it's cheap, easy to work with and has a smooth internal passage. You can wait to see if you want a pod box before running the cai, this way you know where the pipe has to join to. ;)

There's a lot of conjecture re: pacemakers. I personally feel they are too short for low-mid rpm torque. They appear to produce best results in the mid to high rpm 4000+.

Hope this helps.

Good start. These will free up torque, improve throttle response and improve fuel economy (handy when you're studying and $ is tight)

The pod box is designed to bolt straight upto the stock MAS housing (bolts will be included). Just need to know what diameter pipe for your CAI you are using. I can have the mould pressed out to suit nearly ANY diameter CAI you are using. Most CAI are using PVC because it's cheap, easy to work with and has a smooth internal passage. You can wait to see if you want a pod box before running the cai, this way you know where the pipe has to join to. ;)

There's a lot of conjecture re: pacemakers. I personally feel they are too short for low-mid rpm torque. They appear to produce best results in the mid to high rpm 4000+.

Hope this helps.

my pacies kick in hard at 3000rpm for me :)

1st gear is brutal compared to stock and when you hit second after running first all the way out your revs only drop to 3500rpm anyways, so your never out of the "powerband"(lack of a better word)

There's a lot of conjecture re: pacemakers. I personally feel they are too short for low-mid rpm torque. They appear to produce best results in the mid to high rpm 4000+.

Do you know if the rpw ones are much better? are they worth the extra money (that i don't have :cry: ). Sorry to bomard you with questions, you seam to be the local expert/DIY man of the century.

my pacies kick in hard at 3000rpm for me

1st gear is brutal compared to stock and when you hit second after running first all the way out your revs only drop to 3500rpm anyways, so your never out of the "powerband"(lack of a better word)

That's fine if your in a 5 speed. but when your in an auto with a bad first gear ratio it take like 5 seconds to get to 3000rpm (slight exaggeration)

That's fine if your in a 5 speed. but when your in an auto with a bad first gear ratio it take like 5 seconds to get to 3000rpm (slight exaggeration)


Wow I didn't think it was THAT bad! It sounds like my old 4cyl Astron.

Wow I didn't think it was THAT bad! It sounds like my old 4cyl Astron.

It's obviously not that bad, it just feels so slow compared to the rest of the acceleration after i hit about 25kph. the fact that i can go 70kph in 1st shows that it's probably not a very good gear ratio. btw being able to drop it into 2nd when going 100kph feels gooood :D. gets you up to 120 pretty quick considering it's only a 3L.

convert to manual

For a cheap start Malpassi 1:1.7 fpr. More fuel during takeoff= more torque ,with the rest of the mods it becomes even more important.

For a cheap start Malpassi 1:1.7 fpr. More fuel during takeoff= more torque ,with the rest of the mods it becomes even more important.
Not if it already runs rich which from factory is likely.

Good start. These will free up torque, improve throttle response and improve fuel economy (handy when you're studying and $ is tight)

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There's a lot of conjecture re: pacemakers. I personally feel they are too short for low-mid rpm torque. They appear to produce best results in the mid to high rpm 4000+.

Hope this helps.

The RPW race spec ones, would u say they kick in earlier than the pacemakers? and if yes, does that mean that they dont have the same sort of higher range torque that the pacies appear to?
I feel good low range (could be better) but higher seems to start to lack the torque....

Exhaust!!!!!!
I had a stock exhaust with the lukey high flow muffler fitted, had the car dynoed then got a full mandrel bent 2.5" system with high flow cat and 3" muffler, had the car dynoed again (same day same dyno) and recorded a 10%-15% increase in torque over the entire rev range. I could imagine if i hadnt already had the lukey muffler fitted to my stock system these results may even have been higher. And as i said this is dyno proven!

dynoprintpoutorban! :D

dynoprintpoutorban! :D

greenmatt, there is this long bar at the bottom of your keyboard, it's called a space bar. USE IT! :doubt:

Exhaust!!!!!!
I have a stock exhaust with the lukey high flow muffler fitted, had the car dynoed then got a full mandrel bent 2.5" system with high flow cat and 3" muffler, had the car dynoed again (same day same dyno) and recorded a 10%-15% increase in torque over the entire rev range. I could imagine if i hadnt already had the lukey muffler fitted to my stock system these results may even have been higher. And as i said this is dyno proven!

how come you keep popping up with one post and when your asked to prove it you sneak away into the shadows. Answer all your other posts before you keep on making new claims.

Id ignore this, i doubt a muffler would make that much difference, but its a good start
cheers
jaz

97_verada: if u read my post properly you would have understood that it WASN'T the muffler that saw the improvements it was when I had the whole exhaust redone with a 2.5 mandrel bent system over the muffler which i had fitted before.
And what i claim is true, my car was once again the test car for that exhaust system if you browse the RPW website you will find that there is a whole page devoted to the results of my car.
What you must understand is that my internet access is very limited especially when posting pics and charts ect. Dont attack me personally as i have spent plenty of time and money in using my car as a test car, someone has to be the first to do these things and i believe the forum benefits from it. If you dont believe what i say then dont, i have no reason to lie. We are all here for the same purpose, we enjoy magnas, now move on.

97_verada: if u read my post properly you would have understood that it WASN'T the muffler that saw the improvements it was when I had the whole exhaust redone with a 2.5 mandrel bent system over the muffler which i had fitted before.
And what i claim is true, my car was once again the test car for that exhaust system if you browse the RPW website you will find that there is a whole page devoted to the results of my car.
What you must understand is that my internet access is very limited especially when posting pics and charts ect. Dont attack me personally as i have spent plenty of time and money in using my car as a test car, someone has to be the first to do these things and i believe the forum benefits from it. If you dont believe what i say then dont, i have no reason to lie. We are all here for the same purpose, we enjoy magnas, now move on.

respect (picture me slappin my fist againced my chest) :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Do you know if the rpw ones are much better? are they worth the extra money (that i don't have :cry: ). Sorry to bomard you with questions, you seam to be the local expert/DIY man of the century.

They have longer primaries which will better serve your application. Get the race spec one's or deal direct with Liverpool Exhausts (cut the middleman).

BLKMAG: Were your headers done at the same time as your exhaust? My exhaust alone gave me heaps more torque accross the curve but most noticeably from 3000+. Not a criticism, a fact finding mission ;)

Id ignore this, i doubt a muffler would make that much difference, but its a good start
My muffler gave my car a 10HP increase :D

This is totally off the subject, but what the hey, i started this discussion. How much does a dyno cost, i would like to do one at stock so i can see exactly what improvements i get, don't want to have to pay a small fortune though.

This is totally off the subject, but what the hey, i started this discussion. How much does a dyno cost, i would like to do one at stock so i can see exactly what improvements i get, don't want to have to pay a small fortune though.
Varies but anything from $40 to $70 usually. More economical when a group is organised for a dyno day.

Varies but anything from $40 to $70 usually. More economical when a group is organised for a dyno day.

For that price I think i'll just go by how the car feels before/after any mods :shock:

Do any of you guys know that if your insurance company sees your cars CAI (if you have an accident) they wont pay your claim. Piggyback ECU from Powerchip costs about $900 and works awesome, much cheaper than haltech and others and achieves same result.

Do any of you guys know that if your insurance company sees your cars CAI (if you have an accident) they wont pay your claim.

That's only if you don't tell them about it isn't it. just like if you didn't tell them you changed the exhaust, or extractors, or cat, or pod, or anything else. If an insurance company sees anything you didn't tell them about they wont pay up.

Piggyback ECU from Powerchip costs about $900 and works awesome, much cheaper than haltech and others and achieves same result.
That's debatable. At least one member here saw no difference. A tuned system has to be better than a chip that assumes too much.

EIther get a higher stall torque converter or a manual. Nothing will help you with torque more than these two.

Not if it already runs rich which from factory is likely.

Well I can vouch for it for working.

Well I can vouch for it for working.
Interesting, two for and two against :D

That's debatable. At least one member here saw no difference. A tuned system has to be better than a chip that assumes too much.

No assumtion necessary mate. I have the Powerchip in mine and saw a huge increase in torque and it shows in my slip times. The member who saw no difference I cant explain but perhaps he had other problems which defeated his upgrade.

EIther get a higher stall torque converter or a manual. Nothing will help you with torque more than these two.

wooop... my parents just bought my grandparents 97 manual KE for me......

Haha......They bought a car for your grandparents but you are probably gonna drive? Is that what it means? :D