The humble 6x9 has got a bad wrap recently by the Car audio Sound quality specialists as they are an uneven shaped cone and have several other unwarranted Qualities...

So what was your first experience, Do you like them????

My first expereince was way back in early 1993..OK, so it was not that long ago and I was still in High school.
All my friends started to get their own cars..Started doing the basic mods you could only afford on what wages you got at Woolies or Mum and Dads pocket money or what ever job you had...

techno had only really started to pick up, so my friend and I at the time were the only ones who were interested in Car audio, we kind of started the Trend in our Year at high school...

So I had a 1976 Holden Gemini Automatic Sedan, It was as slow as anything, so I thought what could I do to make it stand out... Ah hah Car Audio..
My friend kicked it off..He bought a 1974 VW Passat, it had a huge rear shelf..So he bought a " High powered Casette deck" of 14 w by 4.. Balistik Audio Cassete Deck, so I matched him and Bought a " Sound Barrier 14 W X4 and it went on from there
He bought 6 inch Speakers for his rear, I went and got a Set of Sound Barrier 6x9's, he matched me and went and got a Set of Kenwood 4-way 6x9's... and we would crank our systems in the car park just after school.. It was fun as for the first time we had something that no one else had... 6x9's
By the end of the year , I had Bought a full Pioneer system, consisting of 4 inch 2-ways in a Custom Build Door skin and 2-way Gold-coned 6x9's by far the sweetest sounding 6x9's ever with a 4x25W Pioneer Cassette .. He matched me and went and started the Sub thing.. To this Day we still try to out do each other...

The Best 6x9's Belonged to my friends mum..She had a TR executive manual 2.6 and they were a Blue Coned " Boston Audio 2-way 6x9" they were sweet to listen to...
Ever since then I have been trying to find a 6x9 that sounded as good as they did, but to this day, none could match the Blue foam surround and Shiney Black cone that they had...

hahah, I've out done all my friends in car audio! :badgrin:

wait...I am the one that does all their audio anyway..mmm..meh

my experiences with 6x9s....umm, i killed the stock ones in the parcel shelf not long after installing my new headunit and subs. They just died for some reason.

Mate had some 6x9s in boxes sitting in his lounge room....350wrms and about 20mins later...it started giving funny smells and the tweeter mount broke off, only being held on my tinsel leads. THe tweeters were bouncing around on teh cone, hehe, funny.

6x9s in plastic spacer things in the back of a friend's car......................bass...fully sic!

my 1st car was a suzuki mighty boy, i was young and dumb so i put 4 6x9s in it, it was hektic hahaha. that combined with my 12 inches of doof was quite loud, and sounded ok.

i currently have kicker 6x9s in the back of the wagon and they sound ok but i am more for high quality 6 inches and a sub

I quite like 6x9s, as long as they are not revered as the be-all and end-all of car audio.

My first car, a Sigma, only had front speakers for the AM/FM radio. Was too poor (student) to do aything with that.

I had considerable fun running my stock 6x9s into the ground off the powerful 5W headunit. I was offered a secondhand set of 1year old pioneer 6x9's, and so I ripped out the almost dead stockies, and totally wrecked them (ripped out the cone, smashed up the basket), thed dropped in the newly aquired 6x9's.

What a difference. And F*CKING LOUD! I was forever hooked on car audio then.

Once my Alpine headunits went in, and the speakers were getting hammered, I went for a Sony 12" black polycone sub & XM222 amp, and upgraded to newer pioneer 6x9's, as the old ones were decaying from UV exposure and way too much excursion. I still have them in, and they take a bollocking wad of power, and still sound sweet. Trouble is, that when you turn up the wick, they overpower the front stage. That just means that splits have to happen.... :badgrin:

LPF's my fronts (coaxials) and turned up the power to the fronts, rears run full range. Set gains much lower for just a little rear fill.

So yes, I like 6x9's, but even then I don't think they are the best for car audio. It's a way to a means - they make sound! They are great for extra bass if you don't run a sub. Not so good if you have a sub.

It is good to see so many have had Relatively good expereinces with 6x9's..
I still run my 6x9's even with my Two 12 inch subs.. Sounds awesome..

sure they are not then Be all and End all of Car audio, cause you are never going to get a 6x9 to shake the earth as much as a 15 incher, but as a quick upgrade to a superior sound over stock, they do that job pretty well.

I personally love to watch a 6x9 in full motion..
I dunno what it is but I perfer to watch a 6x9 going full excursion then a Sub ??? :nuts:

I was suprised at just how well the 15W Eurovox's sounded once they had a bit of power behind them and originally I was not going to run a Sub...

yeah agreed the stock 6x9s in the magnas sound ok with sum decent power, shame about the stock 6 inches

yeah agreed the stock 6x9s in the magnas sound ok with sum decent power, shame about the stock 6 inches
I never got to test that out... the screwdriver went through the cone at the first available chance I got :badgrin:

Love killing stuff. Wanna get the next dead kenwood HU and put an axe through it (with pics for Magnat too....)

I was surprised how long those stockies lasted with the curry I gave them (HU clipping mainly) :shock:

I never got to test that out... the screwdriver went through the cone at the first available chance I got :badgrin:

Love killing stuff. Wanna get the next dead kenwood HU and put an axe through it (with pics for Magnat too....)

I was surprised how long those stockies lasted with the curry I gave them (HU clipping mainly) :shock:

hahehehehe, good to see another person who gets their jollies out of breaking stuff :D

I get great satisfaction in killing things that piss me off.....

Keeps me relatively sane I guess....gotta take the stress out on something don't we?

I installed a Set of Kenwood 6x9 2-ways into an enclosure I built for Party speakers, took them to my friends 21st, Wired them up to an Old Nearly Broken amp and connected the Amp to his Labtop through the Head phone Socket... in 3 Hours the Voice Coils were roasted !!!! so we ripped out the Kenwoods and stuck in some Sound Force 6x9 Dual coners and they lasted a little longer , 3hrs and 25 mins..Not bad for $30 ..

Good thing about Party speakers, if you kill them, you whip out the Hot Roasted Old ones screw in the new ones and the music keeps going.... Who cares if you roast them...

I first bought my current JBL 6x9's for my ford wagon. Boxed them up and thought they were the maddest thing ever. They were by far the best part of my system, and were so versatile when boxed up. Would drive into monash clayton, chuck them on top of my wagon roof and pump them. Sooo loud. Like PA speakers.

Also used them to wake up all of falls festival 2004. At 3 in the morning I threw them up on the car, fade to rear. Microphone plugged in and volume to 50. "Security to aisle 3! security to aisle 3!!!" Couldnt beleive how loud they were, could hear it echoing off the trees. My g/f at the time then screams out of her tent and starts swearing her head off... I look around and see hundred of lights from torches going crazy...

The next night fatboy slims star 69 at full power.

But once I got into sq things started changing. I installed them into my magna, but they now sit there unplugged. I dont have any need for rear fill except for passengers, and they are just an extra avenue for noise when competing.

Peace

Tim

The EVIL SQ Bug has struck again....Bummer..
SQ will kill what is left of the good old fashioned world of Car audio..
Remove your 6x9's Tim, they are an unwanted Weight in your ride, Or do you hold on to them for sentimental reasons ??

I can understand why you got hooked on to SQ, but for me the 6x9 will always play apart in my system setup's as long as their is room to mount them without going to extremes...
I fall on the other side of the Fence to the SQ people..
My friend has a VR SS Commodore just running Alpine Splits ( I just installed them for him last Monday) and Pioneer 3-way 6x9's and in his commodore and for a basic system it sound great, nice Quality Highs and Deep rumbly lows without and Amp in sight..

I don't think I've had any experience with any half-decent systems that didn't have 6x9s. My current setup has Boston FX93s, and I love them. My previous car had Pioneer 6960s, and I loved them too. :)

The 6*9's will always be apart of my system as well, as long as i have a car that comes standard with 6*9 holes, no way known i would go out of my way to put 6*9's in pfft, if it wasn't for convienence they'd be long gone.

Not because i hate them, cos they're not even faded to but it's just a 6*9, no more needs to be said. They're a dream for some and a curse for others. Pick which side your on

My first experience was actually with Kenwood 10x7's. I had them in the TM I had a few hears back. Running them and a pair of 6x9's in the front doors (using plastic speaker spacers!!!) off a 4x40W Sony cassette deck I had, it all sounded pretty good for a poor uni student.

I would rather put money toward a better sub or amp then spend big on 6x9's. People think of subs as something that take up the whole boot, my box is only 0.9cuft, about the size of a school bag, and that makes some noise. If bass is lacking, 6x9's are not the answer. I have 6x9's in the back for rear fill as the fit in stock, fade is F9 though.

It is true, you either like them or you don't

I don't really know why.. But I truley like the 6x9 with its Uneven cone shape, High distortion rate and Chunky looks..

I am Aiming for 6x9 splits for my rear deck eventually..

Zaphod... Your avatar is enough to state how sexy the 6x9's from Boston look...If I had the money the Boston's would definately make it into my back shelf...

Pro's say that 6x9's and Subs should never go together, yet my system would feel naked without them... I mean since I have Installed my Sub underneath my 6x9's they have been naturally High passed(Meaning the Bass Frequencies are no longer Audible) without dragging the sound stage backwards, it is kind of like a Neutral Set up, not really front biased but not back Biased either, good old fashion all round quality sounding install..

I first bought my current JBL 6x9's for my ford wagon.Tim using JBL? I knew you weren't a bad guy tim....

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

I have 6x9's... JBL's, and I find that they have a great mid range. I LOVE what they do for percussion!

I recently moved them from full to HPF, and this has increased the quality even more. I know my SQ, as I am a musician also, and I cannot say that 6x9's give any music a bad representation.

I do agree that they would be best utilised in a setup that was missing a sub. If I could choose my system again, I would go with proper midrange speakers for the rear, but I have only learned what everything is for since I started mucking around with my own gear. It is a little frustrating to not longer be using the 6x9's to their 'full potential', as the woofer compnent of the 6x9 has been rendered useless since the change to HPF, but what I am still getting from them is more than satisfactory! And LOUD!!!! Especially when run through the amp and 'tuned' properly!

when i go to the drags and take my subs out, i turn the Kenwood 6x9s off the HPF, and i am always surprised how good it sounds with the subs gone!

my first experience with 6x9's was in my last car, a 91 pintara. It came with an old Pioneer cd player. I got JBL 6x4's installed in the doors, and Pioneer 6x9s in the rear parcel shelf, and i loved it. I then bought a 4x50w Pioneer cd player and this improved the sound again. I still remember picking mates up and cranking Prodigy - smack my b*tch up and everyone was impressed.
My mate basically had the exact same setup in his Camira, and then 2 more mates went the 6x9 route in thier Lancer and TR Magna.
Then i scored a Soundstream 12" sub in custom box with a Boss 2 channel amp (old Boss amps werent as bad). Hooked it up in the Pintara and i remember thinking it was the best car stereo in the world. Went to a party that night and before i started drinking i gave my mates a drive around the block and again, cranked Prodigy. Everyone was very impressed. When i bought the magna this setup was transfered.

Then all my mates went the sub route. First a sony 10" in my mates Camira, then a JBL 12" in a mates Bluebird, then a very competitive mate bought 2 Kicker 12" CVR's with a 700Wrms Cadence monoblock and another mate a Fusion amp and 15" sub. Suddenly these 2 bastards had the loudest stereos. I couldnt resist, i had to go buy 2 Alpine Type S's and an alpine monoblock, just to keep up lol

Its weird how mates are so competitve with car audio :P

YUK! okai i didnt even get time to read all the posts because i was to egar to write a reply and tell you 6*9s are a big NONO especially if you have a sub.

If you have no sub then you need some bass so 6*9 are okai, but if you have a sub then why anyone one would want 6*9s would just be because their uneducated! im not takin the piss out of anyone with 6*9s just merely trying to spread some info.

Reason for being, your sub is there to produce your bass, there is no way a 6*9 can reproduce the quality of bass your sub is making, so all the 6*9's are doing is destroying sound quality.

Go sit in your car and if you can fade all the music to the front, or even disconnect the back speakers and notice the difference? not much. Back speakers are in the car for passengers in the back seat.

Go to a sound quality comp, and youll notice the cars only have music coming from the front. This is for better stageing.

Anyways long story short... dont buy 6*9's, put the money towards buying better quality front splits, or if you must have rear fill just buy a nice pair of 2-ways.

Whats the harm in using the 6x9's just for treble or whatever? :confused:

YUK! okai i didnt even get time to read all the posts because i was to egar to write a reply and tell you 6*9s are a big NONO especially if you have a sub.

If you have no sub then you need some bass so 6*9 are okai, but if you have a sub then why anyone one would want 6*9s would just be because their uneducated! im not takin the piss out of anyone with 6*9s just merely trying to spread some info.

Reason for being, your sub is there to produce your bass, there is no way a 6*9 can reproduce the quality of bass your sub is making, so all the 6*9's are doing is destroying sound quality.

Go sit in your car and if you can fade all the music to the front, or even disconnect the back speakers and notice the difference? not much. Back speakers are in the car for passengers in the back seat.

Go to a sound quality comp, and youll notice the cars only have music coming from the front. This is for better stageing.

Anyways long story short... dont buy 6*9's, put the money towards buying better quality front splits, or if you must have rear fill just buy a nice pair of 2-ways.

i see your point but since most of us drive 3rd gen magnas here, the stock holes in the rear are 6x9 size. And most of us cannot be F*KED doing up spacers or whatever to fit smaller speakers. I have my 6x9s amped and running high passed, and also have faded to the front somewhat, which is what im sure a lot of members here have done.

Whats the problem with that?

Ascension.. You are correct... to a degree.....
If you were setting up an SQ sound system then yeah, 6x9's will interfere But.. If you go Cruising with 4 people in your Ride and have the system up, all the back passengers here is Bass and that tends to ruin the cruise experience for them..Hence the reason for rear filll

Car audio tastes vary, The setups are infinate, but if you have a System that has Splits, 6x9's and a Sub, does this mean you cannot enjoy your Tunes just as good ???

For most of us , 6x9's were our first Baby Steps into car audio, If 6x9's were so un popular, then why do Focal,Boston and Eclipse all make them ????
Some people, as S_tim_ulate pointed out move on from the 6x9 to Sub and then on to " SQ" systems, others like me, can not go with out their Rear fill 6x9's, even when they have Subs...



Just as a personal preference, ( Which as I know most will disagree) I would prefer to listen to a sound system with All Components included then one with a component missing that means, Fronts, Rears and Sub...
6x9's will always have a place in my sound set ups as I like my system loud and Proud...

My friend in Canberra used to be one of those people who hated 6x9's, Now I have installed a pair into his rear Shelf of his Commodore he loves them...even after I installed his Two 12 inch Eclipse subs, he like me, enjoys the Full surround Sound that the 6x9's offer....

As a Side note: I run my system with the Fader set at Dead centre..Mine is niether Front or Rear biased and sounds great to all who hear it..

You all know my true thoughts on rear fill and 6x9's...

The shape of them lends to distortion, the only reason they are there is for bass without a sub. Which they do a good job of.

Once you have a sub I think you're better off with 6" or smaller for the rear. And you dont want midbass interfering with your rear sub bass. Or even blending in for that matter as this will drive your soundstage backwards... Highpass em at 150 hz ish... And only turned on for rear passengers (if at all)

If you have enough power to your fronts you will get over the 'cranking' tendencies where you need to drive every speaker and amp to near distortion. Once you want to appreciate music for yourself and not just to piss of everyone else it is a good day...

Just because there are holes there doesnt mean good audio requires them to be filled. You are not recieving any 'new' information through rear speakers just duplicate stereo information which is usually: distorted (albeit unknown to the listener) cancelling out subbass, hitting the listeners ears at the wrong time (without proper time alignment) And coming from behind you... Your ears face forward and the fronts alone will provide enough ambient noise to surround you.

People are used to hearing noise all around them in car audio and become accustomed to it. Once you hear a proper SQ setup you can appreciate true stereo separation. Any rears running in stereo will cause this separation to be muddied.

But... given that the 6x9 does do a good job in stock systems... beyond that... meh... Any money spent on rears would be better spent on fronts...

Hell Marty from FHRX is still using stock rears and his system is worth >$30000 rrp afaik....

I am yet to hear a CAASQ competitor use rear fill. Yes I appreciate that we arent the be all and end all, but I really do urge people to spend money in the places that will see the most gains to fidelity. This is all in front of you.

Peace

Tim
And yes I did use and enjoy JBL products... :P

Everyone starts out with 6x9's cos originally all everyone wants is a cd head unit and good speaker that can be turned up loud.
Its onlly after the audio bug bits do you consider the amps and sub. Then you learn that 6x9's are not so good. But everyone gets them first time round, so i think they are great, because they introduce you to loud good quality music.

Don't knock em, cos i recon everyone has used(and liked) them at some stage

I'm a fan of 6x9's in the rear, i've heard lots of people say ditch the 6x9's and keep the splits and sub, the sub handles the bass etc bla bla :) tried that, what I don't get is why people say subs have good sq, the day someone shows me a sub that has response times and hits as hard on mid/low drum/snare hits as a 6x9 or 6 I'll re-evaluate my setup and start shopping, the subs are just too wooly to represent the real thing to much weight to shift back and forth to quickly and before anyone talks about stage, decks are available that allow you to set timings on your speakers thus moving the sound stage to wherever the **** you like :P . My pet hate is getting into cars that have splits and 2 12" subs so you got treble hitting you in the face and defeaning bass from behind - might work for some but not me.

Matthius

I tend to agree with Matthius, what is the Point of having Bass from behind and raging treble from the front ??

It may work OK in a hatch back but not in a Large sedan like a Magna...


I was so affraid this was going to turn into another "Trash the 6x9" thread and it has...
Oh well, Everyone has their own experiences and It is good to see views from both sides of the divide....

lol Magnat u started this thread knowing it would turn into a 6x9 trashfest... but you did that knowing that 6x9's are flawed from the start :nuts: :P

Anyway frequencies under 80hz cant be localised by the ear. Therefore if you deaden ur boot, (rattles can be localised) low pass ur sub around 80 hz (approx depending on slope and blending with fronts)
Also highpass ur fronts around 80 hz or lower, Voila, You have no locatable bass from the boot and all ur bass appears to come from the midbass/upper sub frequency locations that can be localised at the front speakers.

One of the main factors for SQ, so take not kiddies... :)

Peace

Tim

And yes I did use and enjoy JBL products... :P
:badgrin: Good boy Tim......I knew I liked you....

I'm a fan of 6x9's in the rear, i've heard lots of people say ditch the 6x9's and keep the splits and sub, the sub handles the bass etc bla bla :) tried that, what I don't get is why people say subs have good sq, the day someone shows me a sub that has response times and hits as hard on mid/low drum/snare hits as a 6x9 or 6 I'll re-evaluate my setup and start shopping, the subs are just too wooly to represent the real thing to much weight to shift back and forth to quickly and before anyone talks about stage, decks are available that allow you to set timings on your speakers thus moving the sound stage to wherever the **** you like :P . My pet hate is getting into cars that have splits and 2 12" subs so you got treble hitting you in the face and defeaning bass from behind - might work for some but not me.

Matthius

Dude i had a Boston 12.5lf that would kill any 6x9's in attack and drum beats, combined with my amped splits which are crossed over at 60Hz or so you cant tell that there isnt a sub up the front. ( well using the phase of the sub anyway ). If there is deafening treble from the front that will mean:
a) the front speaker are not amped and to match the sub they have increased the treble
b) the system is not tuned
c) no deadening or door preparation
d) poor staging.

6x9's are a bandaid solution to fix any of the above. Listen to my, tim, Mitsimonsta or FHRX's system and see what you say. I am seriously thinking of taking my 6x9's out since I got a Boston G5.. that kills the old 12.5lf in attack and extension ( 3inch excursion.. yes please ). You must also consider the amp as playing a major roll, the speaker is as only good as the signal it gets. As eek found by loading his PG from 2ohm to 8 ohm his 15inch DD woofer went from poohy loud muddy bass, to controlled fast attacking bass and didnt sacrifise much in volume (audiable ).

Try Xover you splits at 55-60Hz and Xover the sub at 80Hz and ditch the 6x9's. That is if you splits are properly mounted, otherwise treble heaven will come wanting. :D

6x9's are only flawed by those who don't like them...
Praised by those who do....

Sure un even cone area, Inaudible Distortion, Still does not answer the Question as to why alll High end Manufacturers still make them ???

They would not make them if they were no good or not popular...

I guess the reason they still produce 6x9 is because they are the cheaper alternative to a sub. Sure, it won't sound as good, but hell, it picks up the bass quite a bit from the stockies and sure as hell beat 6".

Anyways, im still running my stockeis speakers and just replaced headunit to a pioneer mp3 unit. Sound was considerably better than the stock HU. However im getting bored with the stock speakers, as i listen to trance alot. ;) Bass is a MUST! hehehehe

So now considering buying some pioneer 250w or 350w 3-way 6x9 speakers. I just hope they will fit into the rear parcel without a problem. I've heard some stories that they didn't quite fit with the mounting holes. But anyways. :)

6x9's are only flawed by those who don't like them...
Praised by those who do....

Sure un even cone area, Inaudible Distortion, Still does not answer the Question as to why alll High end Manufacturers still make them ???

They would not make them if they were no good or not popular...

They still make them due to free air subs not being very popular and people wanting to lift the bass response in there car without the dreaded sub taking up half the boot and no room for the shopping syndrome. For stealth and ease of use in stock holes people buy them as a quick bass fix and they often remain after a sub is purchased.

Since the stock holes are 6x9's i have them but now the splits up front are amped they are loud enough for the people in the back and after 3-4years my 6x9's are dieing so dont think ill bother replacing them.

6x9's are a bandaid solution to fix any of the above. Listen to my, tim, Mitsimonsta or FHRX's system and see what you say.
Why did I get a mention? Mine are running full range (no HPF) and none of you guys have heard it.......and with only coaxials in the front, it's not the greatest sound quality.

Once I decide on a new amp, (a 4 channels jobbie with LPF & HPF on both channels) my 6x9's will be HPF'ed.

Nobody has said it yet - sooo... It can be bad for your back if there is a height difference...

Ahem.

6X9"'s are great boxed - I remeber there was a trend where people were fitting them in decent sized boxes (1/2 cuft) and powering them with decent power - you could get a fair bit of punch techno bass out, no response past about 30Hz, but this didn't worry many people.

I don't know why people don't like freeair subs - properly mounted and crossed-over they are great - don't miss my 15" much at all (or maybe I grew up :doubt:).

Cheers
Heath Young

Yes heath.. I am trying to work out a way to keep them from copping the bass from the subs on the back of the cones......making the rear of them air-tight.

I used to box mine up... Thinking about doing it again for PA devices / boot fill for when Im pumpin tunes at parties/gatherings... But meh...And not all high end manufacturers make them...

As I said they do a good job, for a stock/simple system, I dont think they are important when you have a sub.

Distortion is audible, response is nowhere near 'real' in comparison to decent splits

Of course they are popular, most cars on the road have space for them... This does not mean they are good for sound quality. This means they are a cheap alternative to a sub and marketable for the average car driver.

You find me the most expensive 6x9 and compare it to the most expensive 6" split system.
Speakers are meant to be ROUND!

6x9 is ONLY there to increase surface area in an attempt to create more bass using the limitations of a parcel shelf, this is the only advantage over conventional 6" speakers. 6x9's are usually coaxial which itself is a 'lower end' design.

Peace

Tim

Boston and Fusion both make 6x9 Splits..

As for the speakers are meant to be round, then why do Kicker L7's get such high praise when they are Square and VIBE 6x9's are rectangle ???

I guess the reason they still produce 6x9 is because they are the cheaper alternative to a sub. Sure, it won't sound as good, but hell, it picks up the bass quite a bit from the stockies and sure as hell beat 6".

Anyways, im still running my stockeis speakers and just replaced headunit to a pioneer mp3 unit. Sound was considerably better than the stock HU. However im getting bored with the stock speakers, as i listen to trance alot. ;) Bass is a MUST! hehehehe

So now considering buying some pioneer 250w or 350w 3-way 6x9 speakers. I just hope they will fit into the rear parcel without a problem. I've heard some stories that they didn't quite fit with the mounting holes. But anyways. :)


mate if your after some decent 6 * 9's i might have some for sale for a decent offer, they are the pioneer competition 4-way 320W, 80W RMS speakers and they are a decent subsititue for a sub if you dont want a sub in the boot. Make an offer if your interested
cheers
jaz

They are sqaure for marketing, kicker solobarics are for sub bass, therefore shape is less relevent. (Only playing two octaves)

Find me the most expensive 6x9, most companies make them but most only make low series models. eg Morel only make them in the budget Pulse series... afaik...

They are just coaxial speakers, really nothing special about them.

It's like saying you prefer coaxials to split systems.

:nuts:

Dude i had a Boston 12.5lf that would kill any 6x9's in attack and drum beats, combined with my amped splits which are crossed over at 60Hz or so you cant tell that there isnt a sub up the front. ( well using the phase of the sub anyway ). If there is deafening treble from the front that will mean:
a) the front speaker are not amped and to match the sub they have increased the treble
b) the system is not tuned
c) no deadening or door preparation
d) poor staging.

6x9's are a bandaid solution to fix any of the above. Listen to my, tim, Mitsimonsta or FHRX's system and see what you say. I am seriously thinking of taking my 6x9's out since I got a Boston G5.. that kills the old 12.5lf in attack and extension ( 3inch excursion.. yes please ). You must also consider the amp as playing a major roll, the speaker is as only good as the signal it gets. As eek found by loading his PG from 2ohm to 8 ohm his 15inch DD woofer went from poohy loud muddy bass, to controlled fast attacking bass and didnt sacrifise much in volume (audiable ).

Try Xover you splits at 55-60Hz and Xover the sub at 80Hz and ditch the 6x9's. That is if you splits are properly mounted, otherwise treble heaven will come wanting. :D


Nah man I love my stereo as is, I wasn't complaining about mine but other peoples, I've got mine staged in front of me with speaker delays, my 6x9's are top chopped and only handle mid/lows. But I'd love to listen to a sub that responded like any smaller speaker 6" or 6x9, 3 inch excursion is nice but it takes time to travel that far thats what I'm talking about just like a big car no matter how much horsepower it's got, it still has to get it's bulk moving.
I've listened to a lot of stereos and haven't been convinced yet. The best example I've seen of 6 inch speakers outperforming subs is in home theatre, a pair of Krix esoterix with a single 6 inch driver(plus tweeter of course) and a yamaha (can't remember model) sub with a 10 inch driver, the yamaha just couldn't get close to the krix's in clarity and response times not to mention that the krix's reached 30hz making the sub just about obsolete.

Matthius

I find 6*9s are much more efficient than splits GENERALLY, especially where price is a consideration then it's almost definately that 6*9's will be more efficient then splits. Thats why so many people without amps fade to the back, cos the front distorts heaps whereas 6*9's use the power better.

I'm too lazy to do research on the general sensitivity of each design so i won't comment, i'll leave that to those with more time on your hands.

This statement does have some truth, you do get more Volume from a Set of 6x9's then a set of splits.. as for distortion, with 6x9's that is only heard when the Tweeter is heard distorting...

I would say the opposite, I hear a 6x9 bottoming out long before the tweeter distorts as many people run them full range.
I wont say Im an audiophile, but I can hear the distortion of a 6x9 in comparison to a good pair of splits. If it doesnt sound real and a good quality signal is getting through, this is distortion of the signal by the speaker.
Especially evident playing piano pieces

Peace

Tim

6x9s!!

6x9s!!

what about the 9x6's?

9x6's are mad...

9x6's are mad...

sweet ill ask for them when i go to autobarn at lunch and see if they have any "fully sik" ones