okies well im lookin at gettin a kenwood speaker setup...with the following

fronts- KFC 1689ie

rears (6x9)- KFC 6979ie

subs (2x 12") - KFC w3009

runnin off my current headunit... a poineer DEH P7700MP
http://www.magdalene.woll.catholic.edu.au/home/sriley/car/audiosetup.jpg

pics attached

anywhos my question is are these any gud together and wif the headunit, also wat amp/s do you reccomend i use for these, im payin bout $450 for the speakers n subs so the amp doesnt need to be any particular brand, also thinkin would i be able to run the fronts off the headunit and the rears and subs off a amp?

cheers

sean

gee just wait till magnat hears about this hes gonna have a heart attack, running your fronts off the HU will only give very little power, around about 18 watts each rms, i would buy a reasonable 4 channel and run the fronts and rears off there, then buy a high power 2 channel for both your subs.....nice setup btw.....i have no ideas about brands and good models ill leave that up to other more experianced amc member to help you there
cheers

gee just wait till magnat hears about this hes gonna have a heart attack, running your fronts off the HU will only give very little power, around about 18 watts each rms, i would buy a reasonable 4 channel and run the fronts and rears off there, then buy a high power 2 channel for both your subs.....nice setup btw.....i have no ideas about brands and good models ill leave that up to other more experianced amc member to help you there
cheers

yes, cant wait for magnats reaction :bowrofl:

i wanted to try and aviod buyin two amps cuz then the $$ get higher n higher, the headunit is a fairly powerful headunit...

yes, cant wait for magnats reaction :bowrofl:

i wanted to try and aviod buyin two amps cuz then the $$ get higher n higher, the headunit is a fairly powerful headunit...
how much do those pump out RMS?im sure all these days all HU's are around 50w x 4 but thats the bs rating

4x60 peak.... The biggest ul find.

clicky (http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/car_entertainment/cdtuners/dehp7750mp/)
thats the info from the pioneer site

nice HU btw

yeah they say 4 x 60w but i mean really 240 watts from a HU amp i doubt that, but i mean yeah u could run the fronts off the HU i just reckon if u got 2 amps youd get a bit more sound

Actually I stand corrected, I thought these were 4x60 peak. Just another 4x50 peak which means 18 w rms. ish...

nice HU btw

yeah they say 4 x 60w but i mean really 240 watts from a HU amp i doubt that, but i mean yeah u could run the fronts off the HU i just reckon if u got 2 amps youd get a bit more sound

mmm...will the sound be worth the extra $$$ by using two amps?

Only need a big 4 channel. Even a Jaycar job would do the trick if you wanted to do it on the cheap. 4x100 would go down well and the new ones look bling.

U only need to amp subs and front splits.

Only need a big 4 channel. Even a Jaycar job would do the trick if you wanted to do it on the cheap. 4x100 would go down well and the new ones look bling.

U only need to amp subs and front splits.

so a 4x100w amp, runnin the subs n fronts, and i run the 6x9's off the headunit?

Only need a big 4 channel. Even a Jaycar job would do the trick if you wanted to do it on the cheap. 4x100 would go down well and the new ones look bling.

U only need to amp subs and front splits.

so your saying only to give an amp to the subs and the fronts?, that means run the rears off the HU?......i like my idea better:P.......well...if he did want to do it on the cheap side how much would a 4x100w amp and a 2 channel (high power) amp set him back? for cheap ones? im asking you cause you would know about this stuff more then me obvioulsy

Ideally you would want a 4channel amp to run all the speakers and a monoblock to run the subs.

But for rear fill the headunit is fine. You need an amp for your fronts as this is what the majority of your sound (the sound you hear) will come from.

There's the best way... For someone with a huge budget and then there's the cost effective way. Money spent amping your rears would be better spent on quality fronts.

For instance splits up the front instead of coaxials.

I would look into new front splits. As much as possible should go here.

Peace

Tim

Ideally you would want a 4channel amp to run all the speakers and a monoblock to run the subs.

But for rear fill the headunit is fine. You need an amp for your fronts as this is what the majority of your sound (the sound you hear) will come from.

There's the best way... For someone with a huge budget and then there's the cost effective way. Money spent amping your rears would be better spent on quality fronts.

For instance splits up the front instead of coaxials.

I would look into new front splits. As much as possible should go here.

Peace

Tim

so wats the diff between coaxials n splits?

the only problem with running your 6x9's in the rear off your HU is that your HU might not be able to highpass them (which will be required to stop them from interfering with your sub). Although that kenwood deck looks like it would have pretty decent features, so check that out first...

I think magnat is just avoiding this thread altogether....he's seen the title and gone '**** that'......lol..........

As far as I know splits have the tweeter and midbass seperate...whereas coaxial are sorta a complete package in one speaker.....but what would I know...

ok yeah co-axial is the normal lets say 6x9 3 way with a few tweeters in there, no crossover so the sound goes everywhere

splits r where u have the crossover and it seperates the frequencies, i.e. high to the tweeter, low to the woofer, im pretty sure this is right, but what would i knwo im 16, anyone correct me if im wrong :cool:

Actually I stand corrected, I thought these were 4x60 peak. Just another 4x50 peak which means 18 w rms. ish...

Aye AFAIK only alpine is at 60 atm, 26wrms they claim, be interesting to see if they actually get there or not :P

Matthius

Aye AFAIK only alpine is at 60 atm, 26wrms they claim, be interesting to see if they actually get there or not :P

Matthius

would be interesting lol probably blow the amp in the HU lol

Coaxials have crossovers, just small ones, they are usually mounted under the tweet

Arrr.. Thar be a sexy lookin head unit ye got thar

I'm a pirate, are you?

Head unit is good, but you went down hill from there.
I would look at Clarion and JVC Before you went with Kenwood for the Simple reason as they both offer Products that are better for less money..
Thats all..
an All Pioneer system would reap better rewards..

The Kenwood Virus is spreading quickly.. Before too long all will have Kenwood systems... We need to find a cure and fast... No Kenwood Product will ever Enter my interior, that is unless I am taking it to the dump..

Head unit is good, but you went down hill from there.
I would look at Clarion and JVC Before you went with Kenwood for the Simple reason as they both offer Products that are better for less money..
Thats all..
an All Pioneer system would reap better rewards..

The Kenwood Virus is spreading quickly.. Before too long all will have Kenwood systems... We need to find a cure and fast... No Kenwood Product will ever Enter my interior, that is unless I am taking it to the dump..

get a trailer :D

Kenwood is making a comeback and I am leading the cause!!!
so magnat be scared very scared! I have those same subs in my boot and are running them off a cadence z series 4 chanell amp 2x300 watts this is the perfect amp as the subs really pump. good decision on the brands btw

I would take Kenwood over a lot of other brands out there.

I would take Kenwood over a lot of other brands out there.

here here i see nothing wrong with there products full stop.

ok so bak to my question, wat power amp would i need to drive these, and wat should i run off the HU or should i run everythin off a amp/s?

Run everything off amp(s)

Run everything off amp(s)

wat power amp will i need, and i would perfer to only hav the one amp...to save $$$

Budget on Amps ??

If on the Cheap go with Jaycar
A little more Money available go Kenwood ( Would make your Boot install nice )
Or Pioneer..

Any 4 Channel Amp and Mono block combo would do the job..

Budget on Amps ??

If on the Cheap go with Jaycar
A little more Money available go Kenwood ( Would make your Boot install nice )
Or Pioneer..

Any 4 Channel Amp and Mono block combo would do the job..

WTF YOUR RECOMMENDING KENWOOD....*feints*

WTF YOUR RECOMMENDING KENWOOD....*feints*

Yes.. Since I am not going to be able to convince him out of the rest of the Kenwood Gear.. I may aswell doom him and recomend something that will suit the rest of his install..

i dont see the point in amping the 6x9s, as long as the head unit can high pass them. For the same money you could buy a more powerful 2 channel to really pump your fronts rather than a 4 channel. And then yes, a monoblock for your sub :)

Yes.. Since I am not going to be able to convince him out of the rest of the Kenwood Gear.. I may aswell doom him and recomend something that will suit the rest of his install..

true treu i know what you were doing i was only being a smartass:P. As for Tim-e's response, well, if you buy a 2 channel and feed say 100-150 watts into each speaker, it will be a lot louder then the fronts could ever handle, unless u get a kick ass front speaker. just saying youd get more power out of amping the rears then amping the fronts.

he has got a sub, what does he need big power for the rears for?

he has got a sub, what does he need big power for the rears for?

cause there bigger, if u feed max power into the rears ull get sh|tloads more sound then if u feed max power into the fronts. well thats what id do...to me would be common sense amping the more powerful speakers thats all

cause there bigger, if u feed max power into the rears ull get sh|tloads more sound then if u feed max power into the fronts. well thats what id do...to me would be common sense amping the more powerful speakers thats all

more treble yes, because the rears would be highpassed anyway (or should be), but thats not ideal for the driver of the car (a car ALWAYS has a driver but not often has rear passengers). Im not the most technical on this subject but to get staging right you definetely do not want most "sound" coming from the rear speakers.

Each to their Own..You either like a rear Biased sound system or you don't..
SQ heads hate it.. SPL heads Love it..

The only reason to high pass the rear is so they do not interfere with your " Staging" dragging the sound stage backwards by producing more "Volume" then your Fronts.

Me I like the good old fashioned " Night Club" Sound system : which means it goes loud and I do not care for SQ staging as long as I have High quality sound from all around..
That means I have Fronts, Rears and Subs all Tuned for Maximum Pump.. So I can turn the Sub on, Have it handle the Ultra lows, the 6x9's Cranking to give my System the Pumps and kick which the front Cannot handle due to the lack of air cavity behind the woofer, and the Fronts so I don't miss a beat... This all equals to a sound system that sounds great no matter where you sit in the vehicle..

Each to their Own..You either like a rear Biased sound system or you don't..
SQ heads hate it.. SPL heads Love it..

The only reason to high pass the rear is so they do not interfere with your " Staging" dragging the sound stage backwards by producing more "Volume" then your Fronts.

Me I like the good old fashioned " Night Club" Sound system : which means it goes loud and I do not care for SQ staging as long as I have High quality sound from all around..
That means I have Fronts, Rears and Subs all Tuned for Maximum Pump.. So I can turn the Sub on, Have it handle the Ultra lows, the 6x9's Cranking to give my System the Pumps and kick which the front Cannot handle due to the lack of air cavity behind the woofer, and the Fronts so I don't miss a beat... This all equals to a sound system that sounds great no matter where you sit in the vehicle..


right on dude....sorta the point i was trying to get across, just not so detailed :P
where can i find pics of ur setup?

High pass on the rears is to stop them interefering with the sub frequencies...

Do you go to a concert and sit backwards?

If you want to recreate that true nightclub feel. Wire all ur speakers in mono... :nuts:

Each to their own.

Peace

Tim

Night club speakers are not wired in mono...
You get left and Right phasing... You obviously have been to some crappy night clubs...
It is stereo front and Rear with usually a Mono or Stereo Sub set up, Not just Huge PA Drivers that all play the same signal..

I think you'll find that many clubs have their own opinion on stereo/mono for their setups. And running in mono would make sense.
At a club no one is ever facing a particular way so there is no benefit in having any staging.

In a car the driver is always facing forward and always in the same position.

I dont know why you wouldnt take advantage of this.

Magnat have you thought about amping ur fronts. afaik ur still running them off the headunit, this is why you would favour a system that uses rears speakers, as you dont have enough power to get the volume that ur system can handle.

your setup might be getting 18w rms to each speaker. When I offer my advice favouring front speakers over rears I'm doing this with 200 w rms at hand for my fronts. Even with a decent 50 w rms per side Im sure your thoughts would change.

Each to their own.

Peace

Tim

The JVC's internal Headunit is 17W RMS and goes Plenty loud,sure I have had plenty of Systems Including one fed by one Huge 6 channel Magnat Combat 6000 and the only advantage that could be made was Volume..

Not many Front Stage Speakers can take 80W RMS anyway (sure they are some but out of the price range of most) so the only advantage to Amping the Fronts would be if your Headunit had insufficient power to get your front stage performing at its best, the JVC's Internal amp has no trouble doing this, I have the Amp gain set on low so instead of going to Volume 50 , it cuts out at 30 , well within its capability of keeping the Signal clear and Distortion free...

Besides in this Age of Noise Restriction laws and the Anti-hoon patrol, having a system that can go mega loud is pointless.
Everyone who has heard my system, including a Fellow AMC member einstienthe2nd has been impressed.. and he heard it before I put in my dual subs...
If you have an efficient system, there is no need for huge power..