in my car ive only got a cassette deck and two ****ty little speakers sitting in my dash

now obviously i want to replace them, but ive heard any speaker will still sound **** if mounted in the dash, and im not keen on cutting into my doors, is this true? or is there some way around it

im still in school so my audio setup will be pretty budget, but im lookin at replacing two sixes in the dash, putting 2 6`s in the back and a budget sub and HU

I don't think 6's will fit in the dash, they wouldn't in my 93 TR anyhow, I just replaced them with other 4inch speakers, had to cut a little useless plastic as there wasn't enough room for the magnets, replaced the rear 6's with 6 x 9's, added dvd player and 12 inch sub. The sound is quite good! :D

4 inches will fit in the dash with a little modification..
6inch on the rear shelf and a Sub in the boot sounds like a good plan..

so if i use the in dash spot they should still sound ok? sub and 6x9`s up the back has always been the plan just not sure about up front

will i need an amp?

Argh no no no! Come on guys give some good advice plz...

You need a big driver up front.

6"->6.5" if possible.

Save up and do it right the first time.

You wont get any midbass from a 4" driver.

6" in the doors. Even coaxials if you cant afford splits.

Peaec

Tim

Tim read the Post.. He does not want to cut up the doors.. Therefore is only solution is to use the current locations in the dash..
A High quality 4 inch Coaxial will give you a nice front stage and in this instance yes 6x9's down the back will do the job nicely..
This will create a light but high front stage eliminating the need for splits..
Even if you do get a sub, the 6x9's will give you all the midbass you need..

3 inch speakers I believe are in the Dash of the Gen1's and Gen 2's

now obviously i want to replace them, but ive heard any speaker will still sound **** if mounted in the dash, and im not keen on cutting into my doors, is this true? or is there some way around it
Yeah, that was my original plan, but was changed due to some impulse buying (lol). Cutting up the doors is easy. I had no troubles in doing it, just running the cable through was an absolute b1tch

sorry for bein a bit of a noob, but whats coaxial and splits?

is there any good 3"`s available?

No offense but if you don't want to cut up the doors the doors you can always fibreglass a door kit, or vinyl something up. What's the point of having 4" in the front at all? You might as well drive around with the window down listenin to other peoples music.

didn't see anyone answer ur question about an amp. yes u will need an amp if u want to run a sub, but if u get a low powered sub u won't need an expensive amp. if u don't wanna spend much money and play with the doors, stick with changeing the speakers in the dash, like I said mine sounds quite good but that is with help from the rear 6 X 9's and sub, other wise it would be poor, 6s or 6.5's inch speakers in the doors coaxial or splits do make a BIG difference over the 4 inch speakers. but u could always try the 4 inch ones first(they're not expensive anyhow) will keep u happy in the mean time and then always upgrade later when u have extra dosh.

sorry for bein a bit of a noob, but whats coaxial and splits?

is there any good 3"`s available?

>> coaxial is a single speaker (i think) and splits are a speaker and a tweeter (u get better sound quality)..

I hav JBL 3 and a half inch speakers in the dash in my charade and they are quite good(but I paid a bit for them:confused: ) they sound a lot better than the 4 inch ones in the magna I must say

i thought TR/TS had a spot in the doors for speakers... meaning no cutting into metal... only just the door trim...

i thought TR/TS had a spot in the doors for speakers... meaning no cutting into metal... only just the door trim...
As did I...

You can go the budget way and ul prob be happy with it. Just replace the fronts with 4". But you wont get any midbass out of them.

I would suggest looking into 6" drivers in the doors.

Peace

Tim

hmm..well i might look into using the doors, but i wont do it myself.. how much am i looking at to have professionally installed? to installl the hu, two fronts (whatever i decide on) and the two 6x9`s in the back and to hook it all up?

If you want a really cheap subby, jaycar sell some low power handling ones for under 100, or try ebay. But I'm with stimulate don't bother with dash speakers, work that you will regret I tried it with my g/f's mazda and then ended up disconnecting and leaving them there, used splits in front instead. Also I think there are a few places that sell door pods not sure what these work like but maybe there an option so you dont have to cut your door.

Matthius

well ive decided i dont mind cutting into my door if its someone who knows thier **** thats doing it, but definatly not doing it myself

Don't get replacement 4" in the dash. I've done it, and although I'm happy with it now it was a complete pain in the arse to do.

Firstly, most 4" speakers won't be able to fit in the dash without modification to the dash itself. This is because the stock speakers have a really shallow bottom. You have (from memory) about 30mm to play with. Most 4" speakers are 40mm+ (my alpines are about 43mm).

Secondly, even when you do get them in, you will have to physically cut two of the speaker tabs off to make them fit properly. This is because of the speaker grills. They won't sit flat otherwise. Have fun screwing them in, because there's naff all room to work with.

Thirdly, you'll have to cut some plastic off the speaker grills themselves, because the driver hits the top of the grills and the speaker grill won't sit flat, causing a really annoying vibrating noise and distorting your music. Not good.

Oh, and doing the wiring is good fun too. When I bought my 4"-ers the store was doing free installs. I had a look at the wiring they did, and I'm glad it wasn't me doing it that's for sure. Nice and cramped up behind the dash, for sure.

Another reason I wouldn't put 4" speakers in your dash is because of windex. Yep, windex turned the rubber around my speakers white, and dissolved the glue (or whatever they use to attach the cone to the rubber bit). But that's another story. All fixed now, thanks to warranty.

Listen to s_tim_ulate and gets speakers put in your door. Not only will you get better quality sound, it's so much easier to install yourself. Autobarn charge around $120-$160 for installs (depending on the complexity of the installs - that's what I was told when I had my head unit and 6x9's done). I have 4" up the front, 6x9's in the rear and a sub (with amp - not driven from h/u). I like this setup, however the *better* way to do it is to get really good 6" speakers up front, and put a high quality sub in the back with a good amp. Two subs, if you want. The rear isn't really that important and you don't usually put 6x9s and a sub in together. You could put decent (yet cheap) 6" in the back if you wanted to.

So, If I was you, or I was doing my setup again I would get some really high quality 6" speakers for the doors and get a high quality 12" sub and amp, or 2 12" subs, or 2 10" subs if I wanted more punch. I'd most likely go for a single 12". I wonldn't bother with putting rear speakers in. I'd put decent speakers in the back (not the best of the best - they go up front) to provide rear fill if I really had to have rear speakers in.

*This is only my opinion, and shouldn't be taken as gospel. Spelling is optional.

thanks for that, yeah i was expecting around that price for installation, ill probably end up going to WOW Sight and sound and buy the speakers there and get them to install it

I definatly want speakers in the back since i carry my mates around a fair bit, and once im on my P`s it looks like i be adopting the tag "Designated Dave" :P

righto...definatly goin in the doors...got any reccomendations for products on a budget?

Awesome... Good choice...

What's the total budget?

What have you got now?

What can you do urself/with advice from us on here?

Peace

Tim

im lookin to do it as just the speakers and head unit for now (sub and amp later) for around 500?

Autobarn charge around $120-$160 for installs (depending on the complexity of the installs - that's what I was told when I had my head unit and 6x9's done).

I wouldn't recommend Autobarn, or JB HiFi or any of those retailers to install anything related to car stereos. Find a professional car stereo fitter, ask us on here whether they're good not. I can almost guarantee you right now that Autobarn, JB Hifi and those places will do something wrong. (Poor wiring, putting crossovers in doors, no respect for your vehicle). I've heard them all, just my two cents though.

ok now im having second thoughts about getting WoW sight and sound to do mine

What state/city you live in? I might be able to give you a hand.

QLD/Townsville

Complete Car Sound (Enoggera)
DNA Car Audio (Sunnybank)
FIST Audio & Performance (Wacol)

I'm not from QLD; however, I check RM Audio's website to find out where Hertz and Audison products are stocked, and this is what came up. I'm sure someone here has been to either one or the other, if you have speak up ;-)

ahh..im on the other side of the state from those places, but ill keep an eye out for those brands, thanks

I'd rather drive from one side of the state to the other side to get the job done properly.

no thanks...no stereo is worth 3 days to brisbane then another 3 days back :P not one i can afford anyway

Stock 4" speakers are absolute rubbish in a TR, made of cork and cardboard, 15w max *shudders*.
Even just replacing them with half decent speakers, just running them off the HU would be alright, while you run 6" or 6x9's and a sub off an amp. I didn't experience the top of the speaker hitting the grille (though it does sit pretty close i admit), though i did have to break off 2 mounting tabs (they had a weak spot in the metal for you to do it :D and i also had to cut a little bit of plastic that goes accross that does nothing but help your stock speakers sit). I just used the existing speaker cable from the stock 4" speakers so wiring was a sinch for me. Though they dont handle bass incredibly well, my 4" speakers are set to only play treble and they go well, dont distort at all (but keep in mind they are no where near as loud as my amped speakers, so basically all they do is add a little bit).
In a TR/TS the metal has a hole cut out for a speaker, but the door trims are solid. You will need to cut a hole in the door trim where the hole in the metal is, dont worry so much if you stuff up, door trims from a wreckers are only about $10 each :).

hmm...will my manual give me an idea as to where this hole is if i decide to cut the trim myself?

you pull the door trim off, find out where the hole is, then go from there..

Yeah do it urself. Make sure u mount the speaker on an mdf baffle. $7 or so from a car audio place.

Peace

Tim

mdf baffle? im baffled. also what is deadening?

Baffle is just a round piece of MDF (wood) to mount ur speaker woofer on to. This gives a more solid surface compared to the metal door itself which will resonate with any bass hits.

To stop this resonation you use deadener. Deadener aims to increase the weight of a panel thus lowering it's resonant frequency to a point below the speaker can handle.

Often you'll go into cars and hear that bass/midbass sounnds tinny and doors are rattling, this all effects the way the speaker plays. If you have a fully deadened doors you will hear the speakers playin gmuch more naturally and they way it was meant to be heard.

Also allows you to crank it without rattles taking over and making you look like a fool :p

Deadener usually comes in sheets of tar/bitumen with a backing on one side. You roll it on to the panel and isnt too hard to apply. Just clean it up first with degreaser/turps let it dry and cut out the deadener then press it on.

Good deadener to use is Stinger Expert Roadkill $138 for a two door kit from autobarn. Dynamat, G Spot, Serenity max etc are also good buys and will last forever.

Most specialist car audio places can help you out with deadener.

Peace

Tim

I'd definetly look into budgetting for deadener and good door prep, any speaker will sound crap if not installed properly.

eek that sounds mighty expensive :confused: :redface:

eek that sounds mighty expensive :confused: :redface:

i hear my name! :bowrofl:

alan, if ur reading this...sorry about the stinger kit...tyres come before s/d

Ah Eek, one day u will deaden, and all will be well... :)

Deadoning has been explained Beautifully by Tim..

I don't use an MDF baffle or Sound Deadoning as my Woofers have a nice Soft rubber mounting gasket behind them eliminating the need, it also seals the woofer into the door Cavity most excellently, But an MDF Baffle would be a fantastic Idea, since you will not be mounting speakers behind stock Grilles, an 18mm MDF baffle would be good..

Going this option will reap fantastic rewards over your original Idea as the woofer has a larger cavity behind it increasing yuor Midbass..
If you are going to go with Splits (Seperate woofer and tweeter with a Cross over) you could mount your Woofer in the door and your Tweeter where your Dash Speakers are now on a custom template and angle them towards the centre of the Vehicle, This will give you a High and Bright Front stage and you would not have to worry about Cutting Extra holes for your Tweeter into the Door skin...

rofl sorry eek nearly forgot about you :P it was more of a eek! or ahh!

Deadoning has been explained Beautifully by Tim..

I don't use an MDF baffle or Sound Deadoning as my Woofers have a nice Soft rubber mounting gasket behind them eliminating the need, it also seals the woofer into the door Cavity most excellently, But an MDF Baffle would be a fantastic Idea, since you will not be mounting speakers behind stock Grilles, an 18mm MDF baffle would be good..

Going this option will reap fantastic rewards over your original Idea as the woofer has a larger cavity behind it increasing yuor Midbass..
If you are going to go with Splits (Seperate woofer and tweeter with a Cross over) you could mount your Woofer in the door and your Tweeter where your Dash Speakers are now on a custom template and angle them towards the centre of the Vehicle, This will give you a High and Bright Front stage and you would not have to worry about Cutting Extra holes for your Tweeter into the Door skin...

its a nice idea, but my wallet tells me coaxials :(

i hear my name! :bowrofl:

alan, if ur reading this...sorry about the stinger kit...tyres come before s/d

You must search for your name every time you login or somethin'. Oh noes! A post-by eeking!

Sidewinder, see if you can't get your mitts on Hertz HSK165 splits. I believe stim_u_late and tek have these speakers. Might be a bit of your budget tho.

hehe go the double post :D nah i cant afford splits..im tryin to do the lot (without sub and amp) for about 500 bucks

The Lot for $500...

Well a JVC KDG 615 indash MP3 for $299 has all the features you need to have a Top system it has Sub out and Aux in ...

$199 left over to spend on may be a set of Clarion or JVC splits??

i have 500 for Head unit, fronts and backs

im now thinkin bout just getting head unit and front speakers, do the back when i put in the sub and amp, otherwise my quality is getting ****tier and ****tier everytime i start countin numbers..

$500, your going to have to do a bit more work around the house to get a bit more cash son.

$350 will get you a nice decent pair of splits, leaves you with $150, and you won't even get 1/2 a decent headunit for that.

well it looks like ill be waitin till next year when im workin full time for speakers then, because above all i need a head unit. cassette players are useless.

those prices are exactly why im goin for coaxials..im not too crash hot on spending entire paychecks on a sound system, i just want something budget that sounds good

The Lot for $500...

Well a JVC KDG 615 indash MP3 for $299 has all the features you need to have a Top system it has Sub out and Aux in ...

$199 left over to spend on may be a set of Clarion or JVC splits??

hmm, where are these prices from? sounds like a good idea

Any retail outlet that sells JVC will be able to sell you the KDG615.. You may even be able to push them down a little more...

http://www.jvc-australia.com/products/_products_sub_group_details.asp?ID=1393
For the JVC Head unit


Clarion 17cm Splits
the SRS1725 for $189 would be a nice Choice
http://www.clarion.com.au/Car/index.html

righto, ill check out their website and have a look at it

Edit: hmm..its not exactly the prettiest hu in the world is it :P but its got a remote and i like that alot

Edit2: ive changed my mind...within 10 seconds of reading the features i love this hu, and the look has grown on me

far out, more edits..i think im upto 3 now, these seem like theyll go damn well together, thanks a bundle for finding these

I use one in my system and for the Money , very hard presssed to find soemthing with Features as good as it has, sure it does not have a fancy screen, butfor under $500 it is real Value for money and sounds nice too..
The Remote is about the same size as a box of small matches.. Very small, but has a good range, Handy for SPL comps..

hm lets see if i can edit this post less than 4 times :P can you attach the remote to your steering wheel?

Not that I am aware of.. Most people just stick Double sided velcro and do it that way , that way you can remove it when needed.

ah cool, so i take it its legal to do so then

now im off to find a place that sells this gear :D bye bye tax cheque

Mate for $500 you could get a HU, Front and Rear setup quite easily on a budget. Sure you may not get the "super dooper" brands, but you can get something that's gonna sound 20x better than stock and not cost you a fortune.

Hence the reason why I recommended the Gear above, It is better then Boss, Doesn't cost as much as a Sony and will perform far better then most others in the price range...
Clarion and JVC have come along way in terms of Build Quality and Price, they are the Lower Brands of the Mainstream that get overlooked..
Sure they all offer great top of the line gear , but when you are on a budget as tight as he is, you cannot afford to be too fussy... Just the Best gear in the Budget provided without going Second hand.. as I said they are Retail prices so he may be able to bash them down a bit more...

I have had some pretty Premium Decks Before, VDO CD3300, Pioneer DEH:7450 and my last one was the JVC KDLH 3105 and the KDG615 performs just as good as they others but at a fraction of the price and without the flashy screens all the features without the cost...

yes it seems right up my alley..i esp. like the aux port on that hu, ive got ipod dreams :P

Hmmm maybe when i buy my splits i can add another brand to my list :P.
I reckon the best thing to do would be to work out how much you wanna spend on each item, then go into JB HI FI or Strathfield or somewhere like that and listen to each item and see which sounds best to you. Yeh if they are retail prices, no doubt you could get a nice little "package deal". Actually bargain for your life, cuz these places can go very low as my mate showed me one day :D.

Sidewinder, see if you can't get your mitts on Hertz HSK165 splits. I believe stim_u_late and tek have these speakers. Might be a bit of your budget tho.
I used to run these, now running the Morel Hybrids.

I still have a pair of Hertz 6.5" mids. (only mids though)

As for budget systems, I would definetly go the JVC headunits... they have heaps in them for a good price.

But why not have a look at second hand you can get things for half price easily

www.caraudioaustralia.com Eventually what you want comes up

Ive bought heaps of junk off there for cheap.
And never had a problem.

Jaycar is awesome bang for buck, esp their amps.

Peace

Tim

yeah im definatly goin to grab that headunit magnat pointed me too, its got everything ill want/need

ive heard good things about jaycar subs, and never heard a bad word on JVC :P

JVC Headunits are fine, anyone who tells you otherwise is probably an Alpine promoter.