Hey all

Ive recently aquired some subs and speakers, but am not sure in what config to use them yet.

Ive got 2 Clarion 10" SRM-2508 400w Dual Coils or something apparantly and a pair of Pioneer 6" 220watts 4 way speakers TS-A168OS on their way here.

Now, a couple of points. I am a big hater of boot rattling, and i dont want the outside world to hear much of wots inside. Therefore, i was thinkin mayb just using one of the subs, as all i am realy after is a little more bass feeling.

The 6" i didnt plan on getting, (you'll work out where it all came from soon id say), but will these work better than what i've got as stock? its a TH Altera, and i believe it has splits in the front. I cant be certain, but i think theere are tweeters up in the dash...underneeth the cloth covers.

SO. I realy dont want to spend big bucks here. Whats the best way to go. Should i just use one of the Subs, and sell off the other. Should i replace the front stock splits with these...or will there not be much of an improvement or will it make it worse. And, can someone recommend some (hopefully around the 250 mark?) amps that can run the amp...and should i be thinkin of running anything else off the amp?

Its apparant now i know stuff all about car audio..i have a JVC LHX500 HU, or something like that (touch screen, silver in color,) if it helps.

Its apparant now i know stuff all about car audio.

That's fine. After all, that is why these types of forums exist dude. Moving through your post in point form...


Ive got 2 Clarion 10" SRM-2508 400w Dual Coils or something apparantly and a pair of Pioneer 6" 220watts 4 way speakers TS-A168OS on their way here.

Good stuff. Not my personal preference but good quality gear none the less.


I am a big hater of boot rattling, and i dont want the outside world to hear much of wots inside. Therefore, i was thinkin mayb just using one of the subs, as all i am realy after is a little more bass feeling.

No one can really tell you how much bass YOU want. You decide how much bass you want and then chose whether to run one or two subs. Sound deadening (http://www.fastfoursforumscarclub.com/temp/fhrxstudios/photogallery_int.asp#interest4) is what you need to use to stop those dreaded boot rattles.


The 6" i didnt plan on getting, (you'll work out where it all came from soon id say), but will these work better than what i've got as stock? its a TH Altera, and i believe it has splits in the front. I cant be certain, but i think theere are tweeters up in the dash...underneeth the cloth covers.


Again, sound deadening (http://www.fastfoursforumscarclub.com/temp/fhrxstudios/photogallery_int.asp#interest4) is your best friend here. Fully deaden your doors inner and outer skin and add diffusers and you will get a much better sound. Remember seeing as you're sitting at the front and your ears face forwards, it is of paramount importance that the sound emanating from the front is the best it can be. On the subject of where the aftermarket tweeters should go, see here (http://www.fastfoursforumscarclub.com/temp/fhrxstudios/faq.asp#12).

Hope that helps.:D

Yes the Altera has Splits upfront with a 2.5 inch Paper Coned Tweeter under the cloth grills.. With those 4-ways in the Doors it may be a Good Idea to disconnect the tweeter in the dash as it may Burn out if you crank it..

With the 4-way 6inches in the doors you will have a Strong Sounding front stage with Crisp Treble and solid Midbass.. Just make sure you deadon the doors or at the Very least make an MDf template so the speaker has something solid to screw into..

If in future you are going for Splits I recommend placing them here ( I am using Blu Tac to hold mine in place as I don't want to cut Holes in the door trim )

The Result is a nice and clean front stage with the music appearing at Head level and not at your feet..

Cheers, some guidance there i can definitly use. Thanks!

Is there any easy way of testing wether one sub will be enough. I mean, theyre gonna sound different when theyre not enclosed as to when they are arent they? And...i could not bother about fully enclosing it couldnt i...as that may reduce the amount of bass so its not too loud. I spose im fairly picky. I want more bass, but not so much as that the rear passengers cant be heard and so that outsiders cant hear too much of it....cant have everything tho can i. Is there an easy way of testing different setups with these particular subs?

Also, seeing as tho they are stock splits...is it possible to use the 4 ways with the original tweeters, or will it sound better to leave the stock ones in place, and keep the 4ways for another ongoing project (56 Plymouth). I certainly like having some sound up higher...rather than from the footwells EDIT: Thanks magnat... i spose i can easily test the 4 ways huh..any where i can go to look for guides on making the mdf templates and stuff...or for that matter for the clarion subs? i tried some winisd prog someone mentioned earlier...but couldnt find these subs in it?

I will also need some suggestions on amp configs. If i use only one sub (which i dare say will happen...i need bootspace as well) should i run the 6x9s on the amp too? or is that too much...what sort of amp should i look for and any suggestions?

Here is the Problem with sub Bass.. Once you have one Sub , you eventually Wish you had Two..
With that Clarion Sub you have, you Must have an Enclosure around it... you cannot connect the sub then just leave it naked .. it must have an enclosure, depending on what you want to achieve with the System you plan will depend on what type of enclosure you will need...

For instance, a Sealed enclosure will require less room in your Boot at the cost of Bass Volume ( Loudness)

A ported Enclosure will reward you with Louder Bass at the Cost of a Larger enclosure and a Port tuned to the correct Frequency of the Sub..

Sealed tends to sound better for Techno where as ported tends to sound better with R&B..

In a Sedan... The best way to face the sub for maximum Bass is to have the Cone side Facing the Back of the car...

Here is the Problem with sub Bass.. Once you have one Sub , you eventually Wish you had Two..

Depends on the sub in question... I've heard some titanic noise (more than is safe) come from a single driver. :D:D

I would recommend installing tweets in the kicks, or down low to reduce path difference and reduce separation, but best bet is to try out all positions.

Sound deadening will cut down a lot of noise that would otherwise leave the car. Keeping the sound where you want it.

My car does a great job of this, as soon as I shut the boot bass dissappears from outside, thats with 2 dd1012's.

So far I've deadened the boot, parcel shelf, rear seat, and totally done the front doors. Inside skin, outside skin and back of trim.

Look to deaden the doors first though if you are running ur splits through an amp.

Peace

Tim

I would recommend installing tweets in the kicks, or down low to reduce path difference and reduce separation, but best bet is to try out all positions.

Sound deadening will cut down a lot of noise that would otherwise leave the car. Keeping the sound where you want it.

My car does a great job of this, as soon as I shut the boot bass dissappears from outside, thats with 2 dd1012's.

So far I've deadened the boot, parcel shelf, rear seat, and totally done the front doors. Inside skin, outside skin and back of trim.

Look to deaden the doors first though if you are running ur splits through an amp.

Peace

Tim

So you did deaden your trims, cheers for that snippet, I used your pics to deaden my skins and they're great, no rattles but I've scince found the focals need an mdf mounting board or something cause they flex the plastic something vicious, and the skins are all over the shop the move visibly:shock: I'll have to try deadening them too, I'm a bit worried about my quarter mile time tho I think I've added about 100kg to the car lol

Matthius

Yep, i recommend sound off paint. 1 litre will set you back $60 ish. But will do wonders for your trims. Sets like concrete. 1 litre is enough to thoroughly do two trims... (make sure you cover the lot including all the plastic which resonates severely)

Also leaves a bit more for parcel shelf and to help with the boot deadening. I painted inside the brace struts on the boot lid where i couldnt get the deadener in.

I added it up yesterday and so far i have 5 big sheets of astromat, A two door pack of stinger roadkill, a tub of sound off, some jaycar deadener and it probably isnt doing the best for my economy... meh... eh well, sounds good.


After you deaden the skins, all those sounds that sound like it's tearing apart, will disappear. Let it set somewhere else though otherwise you'll have a weird smell in ur car for a while.

Good luck with it

Peace

Tim

Yep, i recommend sound off paint. 1 litre will set you back $60 ish. But will do wonders for your trims. Sets like concrete. 1 litre is enough to thoroughly do two trims... (make sure you cover the lot including all the plastic which resonates severely)

Also leaves a bit more for parcel shelf and to help with the boot deadening. I painted inside the brace struts on the boot lid where i couldnt get the deadener in.

I added it up yesterday and so far i have 5 big sheets of astromat, A two door pack of stinger roadkill, a tub of sound off, some jaycar deadener and it probably isnt doing the best for my economy... meh... eh well, sounds good.


After you deaden the skins, all those sounds that sound like it's tearing apart, will disappear. Let it set somewhere else though otherwise you'll have a weird smell in ur car for a while.

Good luck with it

Peace

Tim


Cheers for that :) by the by, how are your hinges holding up ?

lol, doors require a good shove to get them open, but close with the most satisfying thud ever... Bit of a struggle for most people esp on hills.

Boot used to need a bit of a slam to shut it but will now close by itself from a ~5 cm drop lol

With the subs at 3/4 there are almost no rattles noticeable from the inside of the car.

I still need to deaden the wheel well, as this goes crazy from outside, also want to do a bit more work on the outer plastic garnish part on the boot. Bit of resonance from there (only noticeable on the outside.

It's weird, since I have the partition in the boot and the subs facing forward you can't really hear any bass outside the car at decent levels.

Even the doors keep most of the sound in.

Did you put diffusers/acoustic tiles in behind your midbass?

It's weird, since I have the partition in the boot and the subs facing forward you can't really hear any bass outside the car at decent levels.



at the moment, you can't seem to hear much bass outside the car. inside its crazy though...strange.

i guess i won't be one of those hardcore peeps driving around with their fully sickk subs and all their windows down

OK, i spoke to a place up here, they said they worked on another guys magna around here, and put a pair of RF Power 6x9s hooked up to a 2 channel amp, and they said they were unreal.

SO, i was thinkin, im tryin to sell the pair of 10"subs i have here, and going with this setup (with some deading the parcel shelf and maybe the boot if needed.

Im thinkn this is a better idea for me...i like having my boot space.
How would i control the bass from becomming to over powering? Through the head unit?

has anyone have any advice on doing this sorta thing? has anyone tried these speakers?
i was always gonna do new 6x9s, and leave the front splits as standard.
It would be easy enough to drop the volume on the rear speakers so as not to drown out the rear passengers yeah?

Use the 10's you have, they will offer more superior bass over a pair of Amped 6x9's
If boot space is a concern, consider mounting them on either side of the Boot facing each other in small sealed enclosures, that way they won't eat up all your Boot space..