BOosted' BOoya
30-08-2003, 09:47 PM
ok, here we go again.
overall ive more then satisified with the end result. the cost to my surprise was much less then market expectation, and roumors around this lil town of alice suggested a 3500+ price tag. but read on.
Altho the Haltech system did take a humungus amount of time to 'get ready' its not my installers fault. its not Dave from RPW fault either. and last but not least, ITS NOT MY FAULT! if anything, Haltech is directly responsable for the inital 'hickup' and what proved to have taken at least 2months before the 'real' problem surfaced, which was infact, the communications port on the Haltech.
once that system was fixed. came problem # 2. Please remember during this process, we have found out more info about the 6g72 engines, then you could ever imagine! i wont go too far into that, but there is a sh1te load of potental, as no doubt you have all seen, through my dyno reading and dyno videos.
one still hanggling issue still arises with the install of the haltech, but is not a proformance related one. the mitsu idle control does not wish to communicate with the haltech ECU, thus resulting in a bit of 'jerking' when you take the foot of the right peddle and the rpm drops below 2000rpm. Its not a 'real' issue, as its not hindering proformance, nor drivability, its just a bit annoying. ive gotten used to it now and i dont seem to have problems, but for a few lucky mates, they start to freek when the car starts jerking in a wild eposode. :lol: quite funny actually. :D
the idle problem is easy fixed by installing a haltech brand of idle control, but at this stage, not nessary. when winter comes again, then i will prolly install the haltech idle control.
Next problem you ask? well, now we get hairy! that idle control caused problems with the tuing as well, as it was very difficult to tune a 'idle' point in the maps. solution? modify the butterfly plate in the throttle body. ;) fixed that too :D
the most serious of problems, and where dave came to the rescue very quicky, and dave, if you read this, im more than satisified with your quick response and maturity towards this whole saga.
Distrubritor problems. in a nutshell, what was happinin was that the Haltech was trying to feed 12v through it, when it only needs 3v. This also resulted in 'feedback' to the laptop that was tuing it. scary stuff! the laptop screen was flickering,and doing weird thigns:| solution? dave came to the rescue, and rewired a new distrubitor, which did something to make it compatable with the haltech. perhaps he might go into detail later on.
what comes next you ask? well, pure tuing :D all the problems were sorted, and believe it or not, 2 days of tuning, and she was pumpin 235hp ATW, but we quickly detuned it due to all sorts of possible problems, mainly with daves' experience with his TT, and fuel pumps ect. we determined that a safe proformane level was rated around Ralliart readings, 181.8hp at the wheels, with using the rule of thumb, means 180kw or so at the fly, possible more.
What was more surprising than the sheer power she suddenly develped, is the fact its torque curve is massive. Dallas (my installer) showed me the logs of the dyno results, and from 53km/hour there is already an imadiate 856lb of tractive effort to be used. :| god damn! it pulls, and from there, its all uphill. with every km across the range, the torque figure just kept growing! :shock: eventually ending up with 181.8hp and close to 1100lb of pulling power (tractive effort)
the torque is very very usefull, as my earlier post about friday nite drags, that torque is sure pulling some stunned faces on people. ive taking mates that are always 'one way traffic' read: holden/ford fans, and they step out of the car shaking.. :badgrin:
if only i could take ever member of the AM forums for a spin, i would. cos i tell you know, i dont care what you guys think, im proud of my booya. and thats that, call it rice, call is shit, but its my car, and im proud of it.
i recently had the sound off competions on friday, and as soon as i poped the boot and bonnet, the crowd came. no f*cking joke. they left every other car on show just to get a 'sneek peek' even the organises of the sound off specially called over the mic, "go check out the booya in bay 12"
i had the car idling, with my laptop in the passenger seat displaying real time figures put out by the engine, i give the right peddle a boot, and all you here is 'F*ck me' and 'ooooo damn' 'fuc*in sweet'
i now have the best of balance between proformance/looks 8)
every one is impressed, but me espically.
*sigh* ok, enough of the blabble, and down to figures.
*engine* Mods to date:
-RPW CAI same setup as the almight TT (with slight tweeking ;))
-Haltech E6K full Engine Management system
-Redback 2.5" straight through muffler
-Redback highflow cat
-polished throttle body
-full stop.
Power:
Stock: 141.1hp at the wheels @ 5500rpm
Haltech: (safe) 181.8hp at the wheels @ 5500rpm
Haltech: (risky) 225.1hp at the wheels @ 6000rpm
Price: *sigh*
Halteck inital cost: $suppressed, incase the price has fluctuated since i bought it 3months ago :lol:
Install: $1891.50 >> MORE than reasionable. top job as well. very professional.
but i will say, the whole system was under $3700 whch equates to:
$90 per extra horse power (using the 181.8 figure)
or
$44.04 per extra horse (using the 225 figure)
overall, if you guys were to do this, its a hell of a improvement, and all the hard work has been done for you. if you were to strap a haltech in your magna, you would have all the resources to get it done in no time. no doubt dave would now supply a 'full kit' for a haltech install.
BOOYA Rating:
9.9 / 10
Well worth the upgrade if done properly.
Sorry for the long post. and i hope i explained everthing i needed to :)
Ben.
overall ive more then satisified with the end result. the cost to my surprise was much less then market expectation, and roumors around this lil town of alice suggested a 3500+ price tag. but read on.
Altho the Haltech system did take a humungus amount of time to 'get ready' its not my installers fault. its not Dave from RPW fault either. and last but not least, ITS NOT MY FAULT! if anything, Haltech is directly responsable for the inital 'hickup' and what proved to have taken at least 2months before the 'real' problem surfaced, which was infact, the communications port on the Haltech.
once that system was fixed. came problem # 2. Please remember during this process, we have found out more info about the 6g72 engines, then you could ever imagine! i wont go too far into that, but there is a sh1te load of potental, as no doubt you have all seen, through my dyno reading and dyno videos.
one still hanggling issue still arises with the install of the haltech, but is not a proformance related one. the mitsu idle control does not wish to communicate with the haltech ECU, thus resulting in a bit of 'jerking' when you take the foot of the right peddle and the rpm drops below 2000rpm. Its not a 'real' issue, as its not hindering proformance, nor drivability, its just a bit annoying. ive gotten used to it now and i dont seem to have problems, but for a few lucky mates, they start to freek when the car starts jerking in a wild eposode. :lol: quite funny actually. :D
the idle problem is easy fixed by installing a haltech brand of idle control, but at this stage, not nessary. when winter comes again, then i will prolly install the haltech idle control.
Next problem you ask? well, now we get hairy! that idle control caused problems with the tuing as well, as it was very difficult to tune a 'idle' point in the maps. solution? modify the butterfly plate in the throttle body. ;) fixed that too :D
the most serious of problems, and where dave came to the rescue very quicky, and dave, if you read this, im more than satisified with your quick response and maturity towards this whole saga.
Distrubritor problems. in a nutshell, what was happinin was that the Haltech was trying to feed 12v through it, when it only needs 3v. This also resulted in 'feedback' to the laptop that was tuing it. scary stuff! the laptop screen was flickering,and doing weird thigns:| solution? dave came to the rescue, and rewired a new distrubitor, which did something to make it compatable with the haltech. perhaps he might go into detail later on.
what comes next you ask? well, pure tuing :D all the problems were sorted, and believe it or not, 2 days of tuning, and she was pumpin 235hp ATW, but we quickly detuned it due to all sorts of possible problems, mainly with daves' experience with his TT, and fuel pumps ect. we determined that a safe proformane level was rated around Ralliart readings, 181.8hp at the wheels, with using the rule of thumb, means 180kw or so at the fly, possible more.
What was more surprising than the sheer power she suddenly develped, is the fact its torque curve is massive. Dallas (my installer) showed me the logs of the dyno results, and from 53km/hour there is already an imadiate 856lb of tractive effort to be used. :| god damn! it pulls, and from there, its all uphill. with every km across the range, the torque figure just kept growing! :shock: eventually ending up with 181.8hp and close to 1100lb of pulling power (tractive effort)
the torque is very very usefull, as my earlier post about friday nite drags, that torque is sure pulling some stunned faces on people. ive taking mates that are always 'one way traffic' read: holden/ford fans, and they step out of the car shaking.. :badgrin:
if only i could take ever member of the AM forums for a spin, i would. cos i tell you know, i dont care what you guys think, im proud of my booya. and thats that, call it rice, call is shit, but its my car, and im proud of it.
i recently had the sound off competions on friday, and as soon as i poped the boot and bonnet, the crowd came. no f*cking joke. they left every other car on show just to get a 'sneek peek' even the organises of the sound off specially called over the mic, "go check out the booya in bay 12"
i had the car idling, with my laptop in the passenger seat displaying real time figures put out by the engine, i give the right peddle a boot, and all you here is 'F*ck me' and 'ooooo damn' 'fuc*in sweet'
i now have the best of balance between proformance/looks 8)
every one is impressed, but me espically.
*sigh* ok, enough of the blabble, and down to figures.
*engine* Mods to date:
-RPW CAI same setup as the almight TT (with slight tweeking ;))
-Haltech E6K full Engine Management system
-Redback 2.5" straight through muffler
-Redback highflow cat
-polished throttle body
-full stop.
Power:
Stock: 141.1hp at the wheels @ 5500rpm
Haltech: (safe) 181.8hp at the wheels @ 5500rpm
Haltech: (risky) 225.1hp at the wheels @ 6000rpm
Price: *sigh*
Halteck inital cost: $suppressed, incase the price has fluctuated since i bought it 3months ago :lol:
Install: $1891.50 >> MORE than reasionable. top job as well. very professional.
but i will say, the whole system was under $3700 whch equates to:
$90 per extra horse power (using the 181.8 figure)
or
$44.04 per extra horse (using the 225 figure)
overall, if you guys were to do this, its a hell of a improvement, and all the hard work has been done for you. if you were to strap a haltech in your magna, you would have all the resources to get it done in no time. no doubt dave would now supply a 'full kit' for a haltech install.
BOOYA Rating:
9.9 / 10
Well worth the upgrade if done properly.
Sorry for the long post. and i hope i explained everthing i needed to :)
Ben.