Hi all,

I've been told that i can get a 3L six into 87 TN with non or minor hassle's is this true? I just have no idea.

Does anybody know of this been done?

Luke

well a 3l v6 will fit if its from a v3000
from what ive been told its all bolt up but your major problem is getting one i know NZ have them there

Chuck a 4G63T from a Vr4 in it.... you wont regret it :D

well a 3l v6 will fit if its from a v3000
from what ive been told its all bolt up but your major problem is getting one i know NZ have them there

It wont bolt up.

To cut a long story short - NO.

The V6 model magnas were a wide chassis to the 4cyl models in teh TR/TS range which had the V6 engines. Not going ot happen sorry.

Are you trying to say that the TR 4cyl was not as wide as a 6cyl chassis?????? if so :bowrofl: :bowrofl: if you are saying the TN body is not as wide, fair enough

The chassis was identical, the only difference in the body/chassis was the shape and the position of the LH engine mount.......

Back to the question, the motor as far as I know will not "bolt in" as the mounts will be very different in the TR to the import v3000. If you could get one of these front cuts, you would have a very nice car however.

In the TR/TS range there are two model chassis being a "Wide Body" model which is usually associated with teh V6 model cars versus the four cylinder which are a "Short Body".

This refers to the width of the body of the vehicle and the resultant cv shafts

Our experience has been trying to fit a V6 into a 4cyl model magna has turned out to be a very expensive process and not one I woudl recomend.

In the TR/TS range there are two model chassis being a "Wide Body" model which is usually associated with teh V6 model cars versus the four cylinder which are a "Short Body".

This refers to the width of the body of the vehicle and the resultant cv shafts

Our experience has been trying to fit a V6 into a 4cyl model magna has turned out to be a very expensive process and not one I woudl recomend.

You are so full of crap, go play with your wheel barrow.

"your experience" yes that has shown with seized calipers, wrong cams, split headers.....

The drive shaft differences is because the 4cyl is differently positioned and the gear box is a different design.

For the record, I had a wreck in my back yard of a 4cyl, I did engine bay measurements and they are identical.

This would mean that a bonnet or boot from a verada would not fit on a 4cyl magna, I know for a fact it does.

Try to learn about magna's before you root everyones car mate, it is no wonder you screw so many people over.

Perhaps when you called us all wankers and left you should not have come back :nuts:

And yes, to clarify I am talking about TR/S. I do believe there is a difference in the body of the v3000 to the 4cyl TN-P

Mal your insults are unnecessary. However true your experience may be, it gives you no right to treat others the way that is displayed here.

Take that on board.

Sorry, my bad, was just stating it as it is.

I have measured the cars, I have had and been involved in some of the experiences,
Dave did abuse the whole forum community (most would have had a perm ban and in the past have),

don't worry guy's you won't hear from me much longer - I have had it with the aussie magna forums and the arse $@@@ on here.
and I was simply quoting dave when he stated

Drain your oil and get rind of the penrite oil - wouldn't put it on my wheelbarrow.

Sorry, my bad, was just stating it as it is.

I have measured the cars, I have had and been involved in some of the experiences,
Dave did abuse the whole forum community (most would have had a perm ban and in the past have),

and I was simply quoting dave when he stated

You weren't simply doing anything you and KNOW that Mal. Stop stirring the pot and just get rid of whatever chip you have on your shoulder.

And Mal...almost everyone has had a dummy spit like that on here, I did but you dont have goes at me...plenty of other people who are here have done it but you don't have goes at them. Let's just leave your obvious dislike for Mitsiman at the door shall we?

Mate , I was not having a go at you or anyone.

I was simply stating fact.

No dummy spit either.....nor chip on my shoulder, just stopping others gettng jipped by this person.

Funny how selected people can state thier thoughts and facts here in far harsher ways but others can not hmmmmmm

Ok then...

deleted post not worth the problems a response has / is creating.

I respect opinions, I also respect fact, I have personally measured the front end of the TR 4 and 6 cylinder cars and there is no difference. Opinion is very different to fact.

In the game, I was also in the game for many years and specialised in engine conversions, so yes my experience is fact, not opinion.

I have dealt with you, will not go into this again but I can rest assure that it would never happen again.

I was a mod remember, I also tried to sort something out to get you into these forums as a sponsor, that went bad as does everything you touch.

As I said, play with wheel barrows or even better leggo, you are a wanker and that is also fact.

all i know is both of you help out a fair bit on the forums...
i do not wish dave to leave again as i have had much appreciation in the thorough explanations he has made in my posts and he is one of the only companies that specialises in modifying my car his best interests are at heart and like every company there are problems with product even though having multiple products of his on my car there are no real faults.
This is definately a past issue as you are both saying the same thing from opposite sides of the fence, grow up

Okies, at the risk of getting bagged yet again, I must state here and now, that I am 100% behind Madmagna!

Mitsiman, with all due respect to you and RPW; you, in another Thread (about your intake manifold), have stated (publically, I might add), that with RPW's installation of said manifold, you mysteriously loose the EGR! Helllloooo, highly ILLEGAL!

Yet, you also state that for EXTRA MONEY (are you serious, mate or have you been sniffing petrol fumes?), you will include the EGR, although, in your own highly-prized opinion, you say it's useless for performance.

Useless or not, it is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT for pollution emission control!

Hmmmm, I wonder what the authorities would think of your reckless PUBLIC advocation of 'mysteriously loosing it'...

And, I also wonder what the poor saps who paid for your manifold (without the EGR 'mod'), are going to tell the anti-pollution police when they get pulled-up, tested and failed/fined/defected.

Can you say, IRRESPONSIBLE?

Highly-trained automotive technician or dangerous cowboy grease-monkey...I'll have to think more about that one.

In the mean-time, good-on-ya, Madmagna! Respect's through the roof, mate! :thumbsup:

VR-X II

EGR is the devil, the company I work for gives our customers the option of removing it on every job, we let them know it's a requirment by law to have and most customers choose to have it removed - the egr pipe remains but the vacuum pipe is blocked stopping it from opening :) so it's impossible to tell that it's inoperative.

Matthius

Geez, so if a customer says to your company, I want to break the law, your company says, cool, just give us the money and we'll do it?

Erm, who did you say you work for again? I'm sure the authorities would love to pay you a visit.

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts you won't say...unlike RPW (Dave, anyway), who have unwittingly or otherwise, gone public with their stance on emission control legalities.

My prediction - Stay tuned for an RPW back-pedal...

VR-X II

As I said, play with wheel barrows or even better leggo, you are a wanker and that is also fact.


:disgusted

Okies, at the risk of getting bagged yet again, I must state here and now, that I am 100% behind Madmagna!

Mitsiman, with all due respect to you and RPW; you, in another Thread (about your intake manifold), have stated (publically, I might add), that with RPW's installation of said manifold, you mysteriously loose the EGR! Helllloooo, highly ILLEGAL!

Yet, you also state that for EXTRA MONEY (are you serious, mate or have you been sniffing petrol fumes?), you will include the EGR, although, in your own highly-prized opinion, you say it's useless for performance.

Useless or not, it is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT for pollution emission control!

Hmmmm, I wonder what the authorities would think of your reckless PUBLIC advocation of 'mysteriously loosing it'...

And, I also wonder what the poor saps who paid for your manifold (without the EGR 'mod'), are going to tell the anti-pollution police when they get pulled-up, tested and failed/fined/defected.

Can you say, IRRESPONSIBLE?

Highly-trained automotive technician or dangerous cowboy grease-monkey...I'll have to think more about that one.

In the mean-time, good-on-ya, Madmagna! Respect's through the roof, mate! :thumbsup:

VR-X II

Okay how this fits into this discussion I don't really know but just for the record.

When buying the new manifolds you are given the choice of having it with an EGR fitting or not. How is this irresponsible. Some model magnas come out with no EGR fitting on there at all from the factory. To adapt the fittings and setup for an EGR system on the manifold woudl increase the base cost of hte manifolds by at least $150.00 min as it is quite involved. Additionally lets face it, if you are buying one of these manifolds you are not aiming at a stock car but some ultra heavy mods in the future. Camshafts, exhausts, computer tuning all modifications that are pulling you further and further away from meeting australian emmision controls.

Also in other states of australia, we don't have emmision control testing so for the majority of us it is not an issue. But at least we are advising people of this and they have the option, before spending there money to make an informed decision. Tell me what is wrong with this?

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you object to about this particular thing. Everyone knows that in order to the more mods you do, the more you are unlikely to meet emmision controls. Sometimes people really confuse me :nuts:

As usual four posts in betweem me answering.

But to qoute a term, in the USA every performance item you buy has a clause stating in summary

For Offroad Racing Purposes only.

THis includes the pacemaker headers you fitted (And RPW), the K&N rampod air cleaner you fitted, the upgraded throttle body.

Australia is no different it is just not an area that has been classified as much as the USA market, but it is something that is appearing more and more.

How many people when fitting up there Pacemaker systems - have drilled the closed off bung to re activate there EGR setup? hmm I wonder.............................

Hi all,

Now ladies what the **** is this got too do with my Question.

I don't need bloody arguements when i post everytime.

Yes we all have Opinions. OK. But it's like reading a book and there is a Cat fight just started.

Please stick to the subject at hand.

Luke

Geez, Mitsiman, don't you get the point? I have nothing against RPW personally, BUT, from what I can see on this Forum, every single person here drives a non-race car; in other words, hopefully, a street-legal car.

To even offer them an illegal mod (in their State) is...IRRESPONSIBLE!

It begs the question: if you are willing to compromise a little on legalities, how far are you willing to go for money?

If you can't offer a mod that's strictly legal to street-car customers, don't tempt them and DON'T OFFER IT!

Get over the 'it's cool to be an outlaw' thing, and do the RIGHT thing by all your street-machine customers. 'Cos, if you don't, they're the ones who are going to suffer for it in the end.

Can you even imagine what the EPA would do if they got wind of RPW's business ethics as regards emission controls, as stated by you in your 'manifold' Thread?

Might not be a bad idea to start thinking about hiring a REALLY good mouth-piece, if you get my drift...

Just remember, boys and girls; anyone can bodgey-up a car for performance gains. But, you got to ask yourself one question: am I sitting in a time-bomb?

Sorry for the direction this Thread has taken. Gumble85, I hope you learn what you need to as regards your potential engine swap. :thumbsup:

VR-X II

Shows how much you actualy know Dave,

We are is Australia, it may feel like the US with everyone suing everyone but yes, I am sure we are in Australia.

Items such as Pacemakers are "legal" as they ensure that all sensors and equipment on the section of exhaust that is being replaced is still able to be fitted. The reason that the EGR is blocked off is because the 3.0 does not have an EGR valve from the factory. Yes I have one here in my shed so it is not just an opinion.

The fact that you need to get so defensive is proof you are teetering on the edge of it being exposed you are really an accountant or something and cars are not much more than a hobby.

VRX II if he states it's for offroad use only then thats what it's for.

It's not irresponsible...it's irresponsible of the people who buy it to not take heed of that and then use it for on street purposes.

It's the same as the LED wiper jets, they say off road use only. Actually there's heaps of things that are like that, another example in another field is handcuffs. It is actually illegal to own ANY form of handcuffs yet they still get sold. I guess they're all irresponsible...I guess most of the stuff from autobarn is irresponsibly sold as it's not legal to put on your car.

Mal...I told you to leave this alone but you wont listen. You never do.

Considering that both of you KNEW that you had the option of putting the EGR equipment on shows that Dave wasn't lying by saying he's informing customers before they buy.

Don't, and I mean don't, make any more posts about this. Stay on the topic of the original post.

Madmagna.. your an idiot. You where warned over and over again to back down and shut the fck up but you didnt. Now your banned, suck sh!t. No one wants to hear your heavily biassed insults towards the people at RPW.

As for the whole manifold thing, as mitsiman states, not all V6 magna's came fitted with an EGR system from the factory, so there is NO legal requirement for them to have it fitted. Now lets examine the facts here, Mitsiman is saying it would cost an extra $150 to modify the intake for the EGR, now for those who do not need the EGR as their is no legal requirement for it on their car, why on earth should they have to pay an extra $150 to have it fitted??

I think some of you need to back down alright, this thread was supposed to be about fitting a V6 into a 4cyl TR, NONE OF THIS IS ON TOPIC!!

As Paul from American Choppers would say.. SHUT THE FCK UP!

what's the point of bagging a person when he's not here to read & reply to posts.

MadMagna is an immature fool.... Stop being so righteous, get off your high horse, and open your eyes for a change. You may see daylight....

what's the point of bagging a person when he's not here to read.

Here Here dougy!!!

RJ - you a d!ck - get off your high horse - you have an issue take it to him, not on a forum that he is now banned from.

However - VR-X II i have to disagree with you, with you saying companies won't install illegal goods - they will, such as exhaust shops with no cats, window tinting places with illegal tint, any shop that does blow off valves, etc etc - if a consumer wants it most place will do it.

However - the DISCLAIMER is the key. Mitisman - you have just stated that all your good are for "Off Road Use Only" hmm, strange - i can't seem to find any mention of that on your Extractors page for the 6cyl?? Or is it in some fine print that is readily available, and only by word of mouth??

RPW Extractors (http://rpw.com.au/Products/Exhaust%20Products/extractors6cyl.htm)

You performed a lot of work on my, and I am not saying you performed anything illegal - as I took that on the chin - most the mods fitted to my car were not legal, so do not blame you for it.

However, there have been instances where I haven't agreed with you - such as the bottom end knock, which was actually the thrust bearing, and the O/S TB which had to have a secondary spring.

Then there was the issue of a inention to issue court summons for an outstanding bill from 18 months ago, which you hadn't talked to me about - yeah, these small issues.

BUT - I will stand by Mal on what he says, I will back Mal before backing Dave.

Manual

MadMagna is an immature fool.... Stop being so righteous, get off your high horse, and open your eyes for a change. You may see daylight....
i think we know who the immature fool is !! don't we. ( oh, how is the sky looking from your high horse.)

i can't speak highly enough of mal(madmagna). he's always available for advice on mods etc. he's done quite a bit of work for me on the kr - suspension etc,etc. so, gtfo.

Manual - oooook let me get this straight.. you are get sh!tty with me for calling madmagna an idiot and sucked in for getting banned cos no one wants to hear your personal issues off the forums.. and then you respond to this with exactly the same thing, directed at me, n different words:


RJ - you a d!ck - get off your high horse - you have an issue take it to him, not on a forum that he is now banned from.


yep that makes sense... :nuts:

he was warned repeatedly to stop, he didnt, so what did he expect? he acted like an idiot. And he can still read what i say and take it on board as he can view the pages as a guest.

for the record i have no problems at all with madmagna, my comments where directed SOLELY at his attitude in this thread, other then this thread i have no problems at all with manual. How about you guys get off YOUR high horses and :gtfo:

i fail to see why mitsiman deserves to still get targeted on the forums by people like madmagna for something that happened like a fcken year ago now!!! GET the F#CK! OVER IT!!!

Well said Doug.

I know for a fact that Mal knows his Magna's probably better than anyone on here.
He has fixed problems on my Verada's that no dealers have even been able to diagnose. That in my book gives him a lot of credit as i'm sure anyone who knows Mal personally would agree.

I have also seen him work on other peoples Magna's and what he has done with relatively basic equipment and tooling compared to workshops would put them to shame.

I'm sure this thread will back me up in what i'm saying.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16414&page=1&pp=10

Also Killbilly, i hope you seriously considers banning RJL25 for the comments he made about Mal. RJ is a hypocrite in bagging Mal about his form yet he comes in and tops everyone with his tripe. At least Mal is giving educated facts and not just coming on here and trying to act like a tough guy and making a joke of himself.

This forum has more to loose not having Mal around. Mal states fact and not fiction like a lot of others on here. I'm sure all those people who he has helped would back him 100%. He has gone out of his way on many occasions giving up his time to help people on here with their problems. That gives him more credit than anyone else on here.

As manual said, I'm with you Mal and would back you before anyone else.

i can't speak highly enough of mal(madmagna). he's always available for advice on mods etc. he's done quite a bit of work for me on the kr - suspension etc,etc. so, gtfo.

this all may well be true, im not doubting that, but that does not give him the right to go right off his nut at someone on the forums. Last time i checked, personally attacking someone on the forums is against the forum rules, however responding to other peoples posts on the forums (like what i have done) is NOT against the rules. What mal was doing was dredging stuff up from like a year ago, therefore it is quite obviously a personal vendeta

oh yep but im the d!ck who should get banned.. fair enogh

if i get banned then so be it, but im not backing down from my opinion. Mal is a very usefull and informative person, that is FACT and i repeat, i have absolutely no problems at all with mal, but that does not mean he can attack mitsiman in the way he did

Madmagna.. your an idiot. You where warned over and over again to back down and shut the fck up but you didnt. Now your banned, suck sh!t. No one wants to hear your heavily biassed insults towards the people at RPW.

just for those playing at home.. this was all i said.. geezus christ people i have seen SOOO much worse on these forums, including posts from the likes of manual and the other people who are having a bit of a tanty at me right now..

My Mummy says i'm special.

i think we know who the immature fool is !! don't we.

Yes we do. The immature fool is the one who got banned, and rightfully so. Offensive remarks and insults of that nature were uncalled for and shouldn't be tolerated. Who cares how much you think you know about Magnas and whatever else, it doesn't give you a superiority over others and certainly doesn't give you the right to behave in the way MadMagna did.

Madmagna.. your an idiot. You where warned over and over again to back down and shut the fck up but you didnt. Now your banned, suck sh!t. No one wants to hear your heavily biassed insults towards the people at RPW.

.........SHUT THE FCK UP!

That's all you said? I'd hate to see you really tell someone off then....

Madmagna said Mitsiman was a wanker and full of crap, followed by statements of fact driven by experience with Magnas and dealings with RPW.

Quite mild and actually informative compared to your tirade of abuse.

When people post car problems, I see Madmagna respond with valuable advice.

Most of Mitsiman's posts are "buy this from us to make your car go better/faster". There's nothing wrong with this, he's got a business to run. Just an observation.

Although, I'm surprised to see Mitsiman back after calling us all arseholes and saying he doesn't need us. Perhaps an apology/explanation would be in order.

And to think this all started from a thread starting off with:

"I've been told that i can get a 3L six into 87 TN with non or minor hassle's is this true? I just have no idea.

Does anybody know of this been done? "

Just goes to show where AMC is heading if things don't change, but I really think a crackdown and zero tolerance towards off-topic discussion is the way to go, ie deleting all irrelevant posts.

And to think this all started from a thread starting off with:

"I've been told that i can get a 3L six into 87 TN with non or minor hassle's is this true? I just have no idea.

Does anybody know of this been done? "

LOL :nuts:

changed my mind, no longer interested in debating this with you guys. Madmagna did the wrong thing, he was banned. Perhaps i shouldnt have put my 2cents in but whats done is done now and i still stand by my opinion. Your all obviously good mates with madmagna so you arent gonna open your eyes and realise that he did the wrong thing so theres no point in me even bothering. Time to move on people

And to think this all started from a thread starting off with:

"I've been told that i can get a 3L six into 87 TN with non or minor hassle's is this true? I just have no idea.

Does anybody know of this been done? "

Just goes to show where AMC is heading if things don't change, but I really think a crackdown and zero tolerance towards off-topic discussion is the way to go, ie deleting all irrelevant posts.

Stop doing it then... :D

Stop doing it then... :D

Starting from...after this post... :badgrin: The next person who posts in this thread is a big poo poo head....

As Paul from American Choppers would say.. SHUT THE FCK UP!

And that was directed at......your cat perhaps? :bowrofl:

Truth is a valid defence in relation to any defamation.

If you've had no experiences similar to Madmagna, perhaps you should STFU..

Oh, just noticed, does that mean "Shut the fcuk up" or "Stuff you "?:confused:

Anyway, I agree Madmagna went about it the wrong way, but I believe his intentions were basically good.

Put it this way, if a friend was getting Car Audio installed, would you send him to xxxx Car Radio, or FHRX Studios?
:badgrin:

Starting from...after this post... :badgrin: The next person who posts in this thread is a big poo poo head....

No...a big poo poo face....



Doh!! :doh:

Who needs the Kwikie-Mart
Their floors are Sticky-Mart
They made Dad Sickie-Mart
Let's hurl a Brickie-Mart
Kwikie-Mart is really.......Doh!

And that was directed at......your cat perhaps? :bowrofl:

Truth is a valid defence in relation to any defamation.

If you've had no experiences similar to Madmagna, perhaps you should STFU..

Oh, just noticed, does that mean "Shut the fcuk up" or "Stuff you "?:confused:

Anyway, I agree Madmagna went about it the wrong way, but I believe his intentions were basically good.

Put it this way, if a friend was getting Car Audio installed, would you send him to xxxx Car Radio, or FHRX Studios?
:badgrin:

trust me, the "as paul from american chopper would say.. shut the fck up" was MEANT to be a joke, im sorry that you took it the wrong way, but trust me it was my intention for it to be a joke

as for his intentions.. his intentions where 100% to have a go at mitsiman.. nothing more

hmm just delete all the crap and leave the 1st post dam people "community"

trust me, the "as paul from american chopper would say.. shut the fck up" was MEANT to be a joke, im sorry that you took it the wrong way, but trust me it was my intention for it to be a joke

as for his intentions.. his intentions where 100% to have a go at mitsiman.. nothing more

Try to look a little deeper and open your mind.

Why have a go? To scorepoints against some guy on the Internet?

Or to inform other members of his experiences? Probably a bit of both..more the latter than the former IMO..

Sorry to spam up your thread, Gumble. I've got no idea if a V6 will fit in your car.

But I know who I'd be asking for advice........ :badgrin:

Coming from someone who knows Mal very well (I should be, as I married to this bastard lol ) I can safely say that one thing about Mal is he hates people who he believes ripping people off or talking about something that they don’t really know (he’d rather people not advising wrong things as bad things could happen to your car as he seen a lot of that happens and fixed some too). Unfortunately Mitsiman came to this criteria as he saw that happens many times to a couple of members here. To top it off Mitsiman said that he had have enough with Aussie Magna and the arse $@@@ on here. http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123806#post123806

I’m not saying that Mal is right, he shouldn’t say those things to him, but those who knows him know that Mal calls a spade spade and when he doesn’t like something/someone instead of *****ing behind their back, he said it straight to them. That is one quality that can be very disadvantage him a lot but at least he is honest and you know that he won’t stab you behind your back.

Personally, I think the banning of him is very unjusticed and uncalled for as I saw worst of that on AM a lot and the offenders are still here, but what was done was done and I respect whatever decision made for that. To be honest I’m glad that he is banned now coz I can have him back to myself instead of pouring his energy into this forums every night trying to find answer to whatever problems he thinks he can help (trust me he spent hours on searching manuals, net, etc) and fixed whomever cars in our driveway on the weekend (which happens most weekends).

We met a couple of good friends in here and I guess this is only the net and life goes on with or without it.... :)

I’m not saying that Mal is right, he shouldn’t say those things to him, but those who knows him know that Mal calls a spade spade and when he doesn’t like something/someone instead of *****ing behind their back, he said it straight to them. That is one quality that can be very disadvantage him a lot but at least he is honest and you know that he won’t stab you behind your back.

thats actually a quality i greatly admire in someone, but their is still a time and a place for it. Saying it publically to someone who is trying to operate a business is a pretty harsh thing to do and he was warned to stop but didnt. I then threw my 2 cents in that i now realise i probably shouldnt have... so im willing to appologise to those i seem to have annoyed so much, sorry lads.. i guess im a bit stubborn like ol mal was and wasnt willing to back down.. and yes i realise the hypocritical nature of what i just said lol but hey i suck at taking my own advice :P

although madmagna is an awesome help on here he still has no right to attack mitsiman's livelyhood unless he wants to do it in court and keep the crap off this forum

so im willing to appologise to those i seem to have annoyed so much, sorry lads.. i guess im a bit stubborn like ol mal was and wasnt willing to back down.. and yes i realise the hypocritical nature of what i just said lol but hey i suck at taking my own advice :P

Thats fine I forgive you, but in an conversation like this one, all the claims were backed up with evidence, its opinionated comments like your that irritate me, but you accept you shouldn't have said it and we can leave it at that.

As for the running of the business we are here to support this club, not his business, he is here to make a sale. We are just trying to enlighten other members of some things, thats all.

although madmagna is an awesome help on here he still has no right to attack mitsiman's livelyhood unless he wants to do it in court and keep the crap off this forum

You realise why they call these a public forum?? Ppl can do what they want.

My final comment on this particular thread is basically,

I have no problem honestly with people contradicting, arguing etc about my opinions / suggestions and products.

The one and only issue I had with Madmagna was not just his vehement attacks PERSONALLY on the forums but the very personal PM I received as well which I forwarded to the moderators.

I welcome debate and questions, but regardless of whether it was me or not, dredging up the past, being extremely personal in his abuse etc, that is not something me or any member needs to put up with and I beleive the main reason he was banned was not what he mostly said on the forums, but what he was saying in the PM messages.

Otherwise long live debates and questions because without them, the forum woudl be a very boring place and we would not get the answers we are after.

I won't stop helping people with information and advice. If people want to listen thats fine if they don't then thats also fine. lol

Hi all,

I was so close to deleting the thread the other day it wasn't funny. I feel really guilty now for what has happened.

I know i asked a question, but that started the arguement.

I very sorry for calling all you guys Ladies for having a whinge, I sorry for Madmagna for getting banned.

PLEASE JUST KEEP THE PERSONAL THINGS OFF THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luke

Hi all,

I was so close to deleting the thread the other day it wasn't funny. I feel really guilty now for what has happened.

I know i asked a question, but that started the arguement.

I very sorry for calling all you guys Ladies for having a whinge, I sorry for Madmagna for getting banned.

PLEASE JUST KEEP THE PERSONAL THINGS OFF THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luke
none of its your fault and can this thread be closed now. its run its course.

gumble85, don't take it all on board, and don't feel bad about it. It is just an old re-opened wound. I have closed the thread after a few requests hit my PM box, and not meaning to disrespect any members here bystopping people saying what they feel they need to say, but I think what has been said has been said now, and we can hopefully move on. Just to let you know gumble85, Mal was not permabanned and will be back shortly.

Dare I say it, if your question was not answered enough for you, it might be best to start a new thread.

Cheers