Howdy,

Im just wondering.. i put the magna (TE 3.0L V6) on the Dyno Engine stock as rock except exhaust, and got a reading of 141.1 HP MAX @ the wheels. But it feels sooo much more powerful that that

Would this be right? does any other 3.0L V6's had theirs Dyno'd?

Id be intrested to see... i dont think i was given a fair go.. :x

Even if that is the case.. my project goals are to have at least 250hp at the wheels :lol:

Benji.

Thats interesting a stock 3.0L putting out 141kw at the wheels. Have you done any mods?

the 3.0L is 140kw stock at the flywheel and is usually only 120 if you lucky at the wheels. Have you done any mods? Do you have the dyno graph to show us? would love to see.

Blake,

NOT 141KW its 141.1HP, Horse Power at the wheels,

but anyway, here's the dyno sheet

http://www.wycliffe.com.au/private/bens_magna/images/dyno_stock_std.jpg

The only 'engine' mod is the exhaust system fitting a high flow straight through muffler. Now tell me wot you think?

woops sorry, i should read forum posts more carefully. my mistake...

Thats not to shabby though, howcome you got it dyno tuned?

Why, so one day i can look bak and say, 'damn, it started off as a shit box'... hehe... cos when i get my 250hp at the wheels, there will be NO turning bak... and ill even keep that dyno sheet in a safe :lol:

Benji.

[quote:c4f5a4d5c3]woops sorry, i should read forum posts more carefully. my mistake...[/quote:c4f5a4d5c3]

i think u just need glasses dude!

lol :lol:

Im just slack, i skim over most things when im busy...

hehe.. fellas, i just got off the fone form RPW.. those guys rock...

-Cold air induction
-RPW Extractors
-Twin Exhaust
-Stage 2 engine build with new chip

once ive done that, (give me 6 months fellas) the approx output will be around;

275HP @ the flywheel - thats HorsePower Blake, NOT kWs :lol: and should equate to about 240HP @ the Wheels.. muh ha ha ha ha!!!!

Mate, the only thing those commohores will see is the "BOOYA" and the GT wing fly past over the 1/4 mile.. Muh ha ha ha!

mmmm... That's pretty decent HP you're talking about...

Just wondering how much a TJ sports will kick out at the wheels since it's claim is 163Kw or around 220HP.....


I wanna get mine dynoed tooooo!!!!!! :lol: :roll:

Dyno Tuning can be a very beneficial excersise as it can make your car run smoother but adjusting a few variables. Also it lets you know how much power your making.

The reason it fells much more powerful than the dyno says is because you are most likely feeling the MASSIVE TORQUE of this engine, rather than the absolute power.

Everyone puts the emphasis on POWER (coz kW's on a dyno graph are much more impressive). I don't. Dunno about you guys, but I am not driving around at 6000rpm all the time.

My 3.0L V6 seems to lack a bit in the power department, but that's okay because I love surfing that big TORQUE WAVE from about two and a half grand. Still haven't been passed up the M4 hill coming back over the mountains from Sydney!

Cheers guys, might catch ya on a cruise sometime.
Joel.

hey GBM - may wanna turn your wing around - take the back wheels off the ground and put more weight on the front - better traction better times - and with the back wheels off the ground (hey we are talking 240hp at the wheels here) then there is less friction - better times again - but when you get on the open roads - like you do in the NT - then put it around the right way to keep the car stable on the road!!

haha - a car with back wheels off the ground - definitely low level flyin!!

Manual

I would rather drive a car with massive torque than just outright kw's.

then u should be driving a diesel blake - large torque not much power!!

me i wanna an even match of both!!

Manual

can the magna's be dyno tune, that adjustments made without a piggy back computer

if so can you tell me where i can get it done in brisbane and how much


thanks

yes it can - but i dont know brisbane so i cant help a sorry!!

Manual

how much am i looking at to have it dyno tune??

what sort adjustments can be done

how is it differnt from chipping it

also hoe does the fuel pressure regulator work that are offer at RPW

i thought that fuel pressure regulator were used to lower pressure in cars that have HUGE fuel pumps which is the opposite of what i what it to achieve

thanks

hey megatron - i can help u with one answer!!

i believe that the FPR from RPW comes in two forms - normal larger FPR and larger rising FPR - the first is just a larger - giving more fuel to the engine, the secong rising FPR or adjustable FPR - dunno exactly what it's called - but it puts more fuel into the engine the higher the revs go so that when u are really giving it a bootful, then the FPR allows more fuel - giving a better top end!! you really need one of these to maximise the effect extractors have!!

but as for chipping and piggy backing etc - i wouldn't have a clue - thats not my specialty sorry!!

Manual

but how does it put in more fuel, is that not what the computer controls, if so it is a fix rate and the FRP will do nothing


or does the FRP bi-pass the computer and controls the amount of fuel

thanks

i would somehow say it is connected to the RPM sensor somewhere along the way and depending onthe RPM depends on the fuel it puts in??

i havent really thought about it - ask David Thomas from RPW - he sells them - he should be able to explain them!!

Manual

It goes by a vacuum line thats connected to the plenum chamber. Dead simple to install and dead simple how it works. And works it does.

thanks guys

[quote:7223a1f696]got a reading of 141.1 HP MAX @ the wheels[/quote:7223a1f696]

106kw - thats pretty good. I put a stock TJ VRX on my friends Dyno and got 108kw with air box assy removed.

[quote:7cb7390dbc]106kw - thats pretty good[/quote:7cb7390dbc]

Muh ha ha ha ha!! give me six months fellas (and girls) and this figure will be double, at the wheels.. muh ha ha ha !!!!

Just wait, Mivec or No mivec, its all a goer!!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

A 3L with muffler, pod and cold air should be pulling 165kw @ flywheel (or there abouts).

Given cams and a chip it should easily hit 206kw @ flywheel (or 275hp).

But yeah, im looking for 160-170kw @ wheels (240-250kw @ flywheel) with a simple supercharger setup also with the induction mods listen above.

250kw Manga = CRAZY TORQUE STEER + one scared HSV driver :P

Break, have you read my '6G72 24v V6 Mivec' post? ive got an engine on order that given cirten mods, 300kw is achievable :D:D:D

ill see you on the drag strip :twisted:

A few people on #caraudioaustralia found your Magna deets interesting the other night, GBM...

I'm starting to hear more comments about Magnas being freakishly fast rather than slow now =)

Well im doing my part to boost the magna image!!! Im sure you guys all are too :D

We will show those 'other' vehicle makers what Magnas are all about!!! Even G6' WRX ... soz girl ;)

MAGNA4EVA!!!

GBM

GBM - I get paid out by everyone for my great advocacy of Magna's :o

6G_Girl: Don't we all? lol

I recall a night when I dragged my mate's RX7 series 2 with his g/f in it..she was laughing at me (she's a commodore nut) and she said "there's no way you'll beat us" and my mate actually knew I would win already..so he sat there smiling...

Off we went...off the line it was sorta even (this was when my car was stock as a rock..not even the k&n filter) then I just shot away as the rx7 couldn't keep up...

Then I slowed down (realised I was doing 120) and the look on her face was priceless...and my mate was in stitches at her expression..

'Twas a good night!

Just a story to "boost the magna image" (to quote GBM)

:)

[quote:8cc73418cd]Just a story to "boost the magna image" (to quote GBM)[/quote:8cc73418cd]

ok ok, you've used my quote, im now demanding royalties ;)

GBM

And you've quoted me...
So let's call it even? :P

Break, have you read my '6G72 24v V6 Mivec' post? ive got an engine on order that given cirten mods, 300kw is achievable :D:D:D

ill see you on the drag strip :twisted:

Have a look at the latest issue of 'SPEED'. A fairly modded 3000gt was 'only' pulling 218kw @ wheels.... from 206kw @ engine.... thats crap all increase with the amount of money he spent.

On the other hand, $1500 worth of supercharger and installation (toyota makes CHEAP superchargers ;) ) will get me pretty much at my target.

Still, i'd love to watch you keeping 300kw of FWD in a straight line :D:D:D

[quote:c55dbae5cc]On the other hand, $1500 worth of supercharger and installation (toyota makes CHEAP superchargers ) will get me pretty much at my target.
[/quote:c55dbae5cc]

Break, I noticed you had a looksee in your thread about supercharging with a 4AGZE item after this post. Your engine already produces a little more front wheel kilowattge than these are even rated at.

Hello from the states. Learned about this forum from a North American
Diamante list (http://diamante.gweilo.org/forum/). I just dyno'ed my '02 Diamante and posted the following article on that list. I think duplication might be in order... ;-)

Cheers
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Paul Bicknell, '02 Mitsubishi Diamante ES with a Whiteline Strut Brace
154hp/180tq at the wheels

This past Saturday a group of New England Shelby Dodge Auto Club
friends and I visited Wang's Auto Sports for some fun. Wang's is
located in Pelham New Hampshire, is the operator of a Dynojet chassis dyno,
and had been contacted by our club to have a Dodge turbo day on
the dyno... A whole bunch of us showed up, a turbo'ed Neon, two Dodge
Daytona R/Ts, a Dodge Spirit R/T, a guy from Vermont with a Dodge Shadow
with the license plate: UD LOOZ, a couple of other Dodge Shelby cars, a
Dodge RAM van with 360CI V8, and a little old '02 Diamante...

The day was great fun, a lot of boasting, ego deflating, screaming
engines, and muffins. Since we had the place to ourselves that day we
took our time and generally had lots of opportunity to inspect the
workings of the dyno and the preparations for each run. It was
especially entertaining to watch some of the guys with turbos trying
to adjust the waste gates to maximize boost while watching a air/fuel
gauge trying to keep their engines from blowing up...

The dyno itself is a real piece of work. It sits under the floor of
the garage and up front (or down back depending on which of the car's
wheels do the business) was a metal floor under which were two 4' diameter
drums that just came through the floor decking by about an inch or so.
There also was a PC with color monitor on a shelf off to one side of the
platform and another monitor hanging from the wall in the office.

To operate the dyno one drives onto the metal floor and pulls forward
to just before the drums. The operator then trys to guide you forward
(or back depending and drive wheels, see above...) so that your wheels
stop just exactly on the very top of the drums. Of course you have to have
your wheels pointed exactly forward. It turns out that it is really hard
to stop the car on the exact top of the drums (which fortunately are locked
in place). Your car either hits the drums and bounces back or you give it
too much gas and bump completely over the drum. However, a few
backs and forths and you finally find the perfect place.

Then he begins to strap the car down REAL good. Two BIG/WIDE straps
back, FOUR front. As I watched him do the first car I thought it was
kind of over-done, I mean 6 straps to hold the car when all it's going
to do is spin those drums. Shows what I knew.

Anyway when he gets the strapping done (and he had some early problems
with our front wheel drive cars...) he gives you the instructions:
Hold the steering exactly straight, start the engine, put the trans
in 3rd gear (I chose 2nd at first) gently accelerate and let the tranny
shift up, bring the revs to about 2.5K, then NAIL THE SHIT OUT OF THE SUCKER
AND HOLD UNTIL YOUR NERVE (or engine) BREAKS, which in my case was 6500rpm.

Oh did I say that the cars make a LOT of noise while this is
happening? Did I also say that the speedometer works and you can see
how ``fast'' you're going? Did I also tell you that the brick wall of
the shop behind the platform was only about 3.5' away... =8-0

Oh, and by the way, while this was happening the rest of the car
owners are standing beside the dyno looking at you, making faces,
and shouting rude remarks? ``You call that loud? Hey, my '78 Omni
makes more noise than that''

Anyway lets cut to the chase. I made four pulls. On the first one
I only made 141hp and 171 lb-ft.

On the second used 2nd run I used 3rd gear and made 145hp/177lb-ft.

On my third run I removed the air cleaner element and again
ran it to 6500. This time it made 153.8 hp and 179.4 lb-ft.
I'd say that was a cheap 9 hp gain...

I tried to repeat things on a fourth run and got 153/176.

The graphs of the runs showed a nice flat torque curve between 2.5K and
4.5K with the max at around 3.8K. The horsepower curve was a nice
gaussian curve peaking 5K.

So, a bone stock '02 Diamante ES with 15k miles puts 154hp (206kw) on the
ground while running regular gas, I got proof, take that Honda boy...

p.s. the car from VT made about 350hp with at 2.2l 4cyl engine =:-0

p.p.s the van with license plat MYSOFA made 245hp/244tq, but it was facing
the wrong way...

then u should be driving a diesel blake - large torque not much power!!

me i wanna an even match of both!!

Manual

Mate, the power of an engine is determined by the torque produced by the RPM of the engine. Hence, bit torque can be big power... rotary engines are famous for this!

>a bone stock '02 Diamante ES with 15k miles puts 154hp (206kw)

Sorry gents I mixed numerator and denominator up, that should be
154hp or ~115Kw not 206.

Oh well... :-(
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My karma just ran over your dogma
Paul Bicknell, '02 Mitsubishi Diamante ES with a Whiteline Strut Brace
154hp(115KW)/180tq dyno'ed at the wheels

[quote:11bc5e0824]Sorry gents I mixed numerator and denominator up, that should be
154hp or ~115Kw not 206. [/quote:11bc5e0824]

is your engine stock?

Since we're on the topic of HP...

How much do u reckon the Sports will make at the wheels with 163Kw??

hmmm.. i reckon bout 160hp at the wheels.. cos mine is 140hp.. and thats a 141kw stock, so in comparison.. add another 20hp or there abouts.. so id say 160/170hp... stock


GBM

Mmmmmm...

So with my mods now, I should be making more than that... hopefully substantial enough to make me happy as well as make the car go faster...

6.5 seconds or better over the 0-100km/h dash.
14.5 or better over 400 metres.