does anyone know where i can find the white headlight globes for a 98 tf magna, plus how much im lookin at and product number if ya can. and im in perth

my mate got some white globes in his fairmont and they look awesome compared to the yellow normal ones, he paid $56 from motoquipe im hoping to get em less than that

ebay :D $15 a pair. ive had them for a while now.. sexy as, and i find a lot more luminesent at night :) i shall take pics toinght n show you. i ordered a few and gave them to amc'ers, but very nice :D

however... ;)

these ones have a 'off-road' usage warning ;) they're hyperwhites and have the tiniest tinge of blue (arguable on the h1 globes) but not as much blue as i wanted, which i spose is a good thing

i got a set of Phillips something-visions from autobarn, they are fairly white, but i cant remember how much they cost me soz

They would be Philips Diamond Visions - costly, but they last longer than the cheap and nasty ebay $hit - and they have correct filament geometry as well...

Also - whiter doesn't mean brighter...

Cheers
Heath Young

Philips Vision Plus are the go. You'll want a pair of H1 and a pair of H4. Cost you about $70 all up. Crystal Vision look bluer but will cost about double that.

i am using philips crystal vision. cost slightly over $100 for a pair of H4's, which is the size you want for the main headlights. is white enough with a slight yellowish tint to it. don't expect them to last long though... prob a year or so. mine blew recently but i am not sure if that is an electrical fault.

there is a higher range about the crystal visions called diamond vision. they prob cost about $80 a piece for the H4's. those are really classy white and crisp and prob as close as you'll get to HID's.

super cheap auto $29.95

eurodezigns off ebay aud$35 the reflectors on the magna are pretty poor though

$20 (super white) $35 (rainbow colour) from Aspec Auto in perth city. They also sell automatic gear knob and clear/ smoke side indicators.

cheers for all your help guys but i have no idea which ones to get now, didnt want to pay as much as $70-$100 though so i think ill go ebay or the shop in perth

cheers guys

ok guys ive just got a pair of h4 superwhites for $2.50 plus $11 postage and a pair of h1 superwhites for $1.30 plus $11 postage.
did i get the right ones, bloddy good price too, who cares if they only last a month hahahaha

cant go wrong with phillips visionPlus... $34.95 from autObarn... only ones ive ever had and been happy with

At the end of the day, it depends on whether you just want it looking whiter (whithout any positive effects on visibility, or even negative effect) or you actually want brighter headlights.

I have had HIDs (aka Xenons - not the rice globe stuff, the real stuff) in my past three cars, and they are three times brighter than any replacement halogen globe on the market, and they are a helluva lot sexier in colour as well :badgrin: They aren't cheap, they are about $500 a set, but they actually work out cheaper in the long run than buying cheap $15 halogen globes - a halogen globe has a lifetime of 200 hours (less for the cheaper rice globes) but HIDs have a lifetime in excess of 3000 hours.

At the end of the day, most people say that HIDs are a waste of money, but I beg to differ (and so do the people who have taken the plunge and tried it for themselves). The light penetrates much further into the darkness (instead of being unable to see things 50m away, your light will light up objects 200m away - sharply). If you need, I can send you pics of how much brighter they are in reality.

But, if you want just replacement halogen globes that are brighter and whiter than stock, I know someone who is selling BJ Union (Japanese) globes, they are about $50-60 a set, very white (for a halogen globe), let me know if you are interested.

Otherwise, I sell HIDs as well... if anyone's in Melbourne and wants to see the HIDs in person, PM me and I can show you in the flesh :)

Unless it is a halfway decent kit, Xenon/HID Kits blow bigtime. $500 is an awful lot to pay when you see the markup (and original cost) of these kits to bring into the country - $120-$150 AUD in quantity, with ballasts you wouldn't pi$$ on if they were on fire.

Been there done that with kits - tested about 8 different manufacturers to get a decent kit, all of them used shoddy ballasts + bulbs.

I have xenons on my car, but used the projectors, bulbs and ballasts out of an Audi TT - I drive next to cars with HID kits and completely overshadow their headlamps. (As in you cannot see that they are even on).

Had one guy ask what kit I had bought... He decided to retrofit after that :)

That all said, the H4 headlight is reasonably forgiving of kits - it just has a so-so beam pattern... I attached the beam pattern of one of my headlights on a wall - that is what a good xenon beam pattern looks like out of audi TT projectors. :)

One picture is a HID kit, the other is an OEM projector - guess which one is which...

Cheers
Heath Young

Are these globes that you can buy from Autobarn and super cheap easy to fit or is there some modifications that have to be done to the headlights?

Also have there been any technical or legal issues with changing over to these globes?

Thanks guys

Unless it is a halfway decent kit, Xenon/HID Kits blow bigtime. $500 is an awful lot to pay when you see the markup (and original cost) of these kits to bring into the country - $120-$150 AUD in quantity, with ballasts you wouldn't pi$$ on if they were on fire.

Been there done that with kits - tested about 8 different manufacturers to get a decent kit, all of them used shoddy ballasts + bulbs.
Definitely. $500 s for a decent kit though - OEM HElla ballasts and Raybrig/Philips globes, depending on the batch. Not the $150 made-in-China **** that you see, that ruins the name of HID kits.
I've researched kits for about a year before I started importing them myself. You'll be surprised, even if you get them for $150 FOB, you still need to pay about 35-40% in taxes/customs/brokerage fees. It's not that simple, if you ever organise a large enough group buy from overseas you'll know what I mean......

hey wot r the lights that change colour from different angles? r they any good? friend had them one of them had a 3 min life span b4 turnin green then dieing, not sure if it woz an installation error, took it bak and the dude sed it woz. so r these lights ne good?

Definitely. $500 s for a decent kit though - OEM HElla ballasts and Raybrig/Philips globes, depending on the batch. Not the $150 made-in-China **** that you see, that ruins the name of HID kits.
I've researched kits for about a year before I started importing them myself. You'll be surprised, even if you get them for $150 FOB, you still need to pay about 35-40% in taxes/customs/brokerage fees. It's not that simple, if you ever organise a large enough group buy from overseas you'll know what I mean......

Hmmm... If it uses genuine Hella ballasts and rebased philips bulbs, it probably isn't too bad - I take it that it is a H4 bulb kit - the H7's cannot be fitted with a kit (this is somewhat fortunate) as the return wire fouls on the glare shield.

Hella ballasts draw some serious current when they are started - measured at 15A (eep!) on ignition - does your kit come with a relay?

Cheers
Heath Young

Hmmm... If it uses genuine Hella ballasts and rebased philips bulbs, it probably isn't too bad - I take it that it is a H4 bulb kit - the H7's cannot be fitted with a kit (this is somewhat fortunate) as the return wire fouls on the glare shield.

Hella ballasts draw some serious current when they are started - measured at 15A (eep!) on ignition - does your kit come with a relay?
I can get them in any globe base :) If you're referring to H7s in the Verada parabolic assembly, I think it's been done before...

No, my kit doesn't come with a relay - I don't think it draws that much with my kit, although with my GT-Four I did have some issues because the stock grounding was inadequate and it was unable to get the ballast going with the engine off... :redface:

Interesting - I have had Hella Gen 3 ballasts (LVQ series - integrated ignitor) strobe without relays on an Executive and on a TJ AWD (fitted with parabolics). You must be lucky.

I know that you cannot fit a *properly made* (ie. with capsule in correct filament placement) rebased H7 kit in a verada without modifying or removing the glare shield.

I don't like kits but I suppose they have their place sometimes.

Cheers
Heath Young

Interesting - I have had Hella Gen 3 ballasts (LVQ series - integrated ignitor) strobe without relays on an Executive and on a TJ AWD (fitted with parabolics). You must be lucky.

I know that you cannot fit a *properly made* (ie. with capsule in correct filament placement) rebased H7 kit in a verada without modifying or removing the glare shield.

I don't like kits but I suppose they have their place sometimes.

Cheers
Heath Young
Whereabouts are you located Heath? if you're in Melbourne, I'd like to have a look to see if my kits will fit :) It's a matter of globe length, I know that much...

I know what you mean about kits in general, but for the general population a Plug-and-play kit is far easier than retrofitting an OEM HID assembly, and will do the job reasonably well for a fraction of the cost.

Newcastle, NSW.

Plug-n-play certainly is easier than trying to retrofit (which can be quite frustrating getting it all to fit in the headlamp - I am trying to fit a bixenon into the gen 3 parabolic headlamp - it is a pain in the @$$ to get to fit properly :(

Yep, bulb length is an issue - the return wire fouls... Bad news...

Cheers
Heath Young

Newcastle, NSW.

Plug-n-play certainly is easier than trying to retrofit (which can be quite frustrating getting it all to fit in the headlamp - I am trying to fit a bixenon into the gen 3 parabolic headlamp - it is a pain in the @$$ to get to fit properly :(

Yep, bulb length is an issue - the return wire fouls... Bad news...

Cheers
Heath Young
Pity you're not in VIC :P I'll try and find someone with a Verada and I'll see how it goes, and I'll let you know :)

hehe, my headlight assembly is already projector, and I have heaps of space to work with... but I just don't want to bake apart my headlight assembly cos the headlights cost me freakn $1400 from Japan for all four (JDM model projector headlights):
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/st205/hidcutoff-1.jpg

I have been looking at buying some but i cant find ones for me foggys/driving light .Does anyone know if you can get white bulbs for them ?

Pity you're not in VIC :P I'll try and find someone with a Verada and I'll see how it goes, and I'll let you know :)


Hey tangcla, First of all welcome to AMC just incase i forgot to say it earlier. Havent seen your GT-4 but loved your corolla (sold now). anyway If you like you can try it on my TJ sports which uses same parabolics like verada. and I am in melbourne.

let me know if you are interested.

cheers.

Hey tangcla, First of all welcome to AMC just incase i forgot to say it earlier. Havent seen your GT-4 but loved your corolla (sold now). anyway If you like you can try it on my TJ sports which uses same parabolics like verada. and I am in melbourne.

let me know if you are interested.

cheers.
hehe, innit cool going to all these different forums and meeting familiar 'faces' :D Sure, I'll see what I can do... It'd be fun to put faces to names :cool:

silly exclusive home boys! :P:P:P:P

Ive got some cheapos from supercheap, they go purple blue and green.
look pretty cool. Got some 100Watt globes in the highbeams too

i will be grabbing a set of the "Super Bullet" series tommorrow night.. I'll post up pictures and my thoughts!

Just out of curiosity. you guys have seen the front globes of the Subaru Liberty latest model? I'm obsessed with those front lights and they look fantastic. is that the globe itself or the kit that makes it look good? what kinda globe is that?

Just out of curiosity. you guys have seen the front globes of the Subaru Liberty latest model? I'm obsessed with those front lights and they look fantastic. is that the globe itself or the kit that makes it look good? what kinda globe is that?
The liberty uses a projector headlight assembly, that's why it looks so nice. And it has a clear class lens :P

I'm still looking for someone with a Magna who will buy a set of HIDs off me so I can photograph it to show you guys... :cool:

The liberty uses a projector headlight assembly, that's why it looks so nice. And it has a clear class lens :P

I'm still looking for someone with a Magna who will buy a set of HIDs off me so I can photograph it to show you guys... :cool: you can put em in mine if u want man...:confused:

you can put em in mine if u want man...:confused:
hmm. might be an idea... same as with kewlsolara's parabolic lenses. I will be in contact shortly... ;)

i will be grabbing a set of the "Super Bullet" series tommorrow night.. I'll post up pictures and my thoughts!
ok, here are the pics from Matt's car.
The settings are the same across all photos: F5.6, and a fixed white balance, instantaneously adjusted on the night.

Stock globes in both:
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/car_lighting/halogen/bjunion/1.jpg
Platinum white (5200K) vs stock:
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/car_lighting/halogen/bjunion/2.jpg
Thunder blue (6200K) vs stock:
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/car_lighting/halogen/bjunion/3.jpg
Thunder blue vs Platinum white:
Platinum white globes:
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/car_lighting/halogen/bjunion/5200.jpg
Thunder blue globes:
http://www.tangcla.com/temp/car_lighting/halogen/bjunion/6200.jpg

I should have taken a photo with my 8000K HIDs as comparison. But I forgot all about it...

Good luck with all of them. Wonder how long that jap crap will last. lol.

Good luck with all of them. Wonder how long that jap crap will last. lol.
At least six months, the first batch of globes sold six months ago are still going strong! :gtfo: (just kidding about GTFO tho, dont really mean it that harshly but seems like the most appropriate emoticon :D)

w00t! i love em! I got the "Thunder Blue" ones.. Their barely blue though! nice crisp white light! very nice to drive with at night! haven't tried them in the rain yet.

just as good or not better than Phillips Diamond Vision bulbs but for only half the price! so if anyone is after some new clear white globes grab a set of these babies!:D

Good luck with all of them. Wonder how long that jap crap will last. lol.
at least it will last longer than those from ebay i swear as i got a set of magic blue from tangle last year and it still work well as new.

hey kewlsolara, are you actually interested in a set of HIDs? I have an offer for you... incoming PM ;)

At least six months, the first batch of globes sold six months ago are still going strong! :gtfo: (just kidding about GTFO tho, dont really mean it that harshly but seems like the most appropriate emoticon :D)
Reason i said that, is coz i used to have those cheap ones from japan, and they lasted only around 4 - 6 months. So i ended up spending a little more money on some globes, which are philips 100w globes and they lasted over 3 years now. Haven't changed them since i moved to brisbane 3 years ago. So beat that. ;) hehehe

My philosophy is, spend a little extra and you have a product that lasts alot longer. Good old german quality ;)

Reason i said that, is coz i used to have those cheap ones from japan, and they lasted only around 4 - 6 months. So i ended up spending a little more money on some globes, which are philips 100w globes and they lasted over 3 years now. Haven't changed them since i moved to brisbane 3 years ago. So beat that. ;) hehehe

My philosophy is, spend a little extra and you have a product that lasts alot longer. Good old german quality ;)
These aren't just Jap crap. BJunion are a respected Japanese lighting company. Admittedly not as big as PIAA or Raybrig/Carmate, but still respected.

Best was my friend who bought a pair of $10 rice globes - they lasted him less than a month! lol


but yeah... if you want REAL lighting that will last you a lifetime (well, ten years anyway), HIDs are the only way to go.

anyone know much about the HID's that come standard on the luxury version of the Euro Accord?? these look ****in wicked of a night time, and lights up the road as if its day... i want a euro just to have the lights... they are awesome

:stoopid:

anyone know much about the HID's that come standard on the luxury version of the Euro Accord?? these look ****in wicked of a night time, and lights up the road as if its day... i want a euro just to have the lights... they are awesome
They are projectors, they flicker blue because of the cutoff above/out of the projector lens.

i have used Philip b4. it blew after half a year.
well so I think it all depends how lucky u are to pick up the one which last for 3 years and it depends on how you used it.

100w some ppl said it will melt yr plug

100w some ppl said it will melt yr plug
It may melt the wiring insulation... due to the extreme heat that it was never designed to run.

They are projectors, they flicker blue because of the cutoff above/out of the projector lens.

yeah but you look at them from any angle and they look hell blue... even a purple-ish tinge to them

yeah but you look at them from any angle and they look hell blue... even a purple-ish tinge to them
yes... it's a projector. The light goes thru a lens (the projector) and the purply colour is when the light fragments to the purple end of the spectrum.

The effect only works on HID projector lenses; halogen reflector lenses flicker more towards yellow, from what I've seen.

youve been warned mate

youve been warned mate
roger that... so I noticed.

Sorry, I had a quick skim back though, and Im sure you posted up prices but I cant find em... Whats the cost for a full set of Hi/Low beam for both the Platinum White or Platinum Blue?
Are the Blue set legal? I know in SA blue tinged lights are defectable...
Cheers
Pete

It may melt the wiring insulation... due to the extreme heat that it was never designed to run.
Funny that. My left plug has melted, but that was after 4 years of 100w globes use. Then again, mitsubishi plugs are of piss poor quality anyways. If you look inside it at the wiring, and know anything about electronics, it would make you puke. No wonder it melted... Half the wire threads were missing, which means the same current passes through thinner wire, which means it gets hotter.

Funny that. My left plug has melted, but that was after 4 years of 100w globes use. Then again, mitsubishi plugs are of piss poor quality anyways. If you look inside it at the wiring, and know anything about electronics, it would make you puke. No wonder it melted... Half the wire threads were missing, which means the same current passes through thinner wire, which means it gets hotter.
it happen to all older model vehicle as my previous Honda 's plug has melted after 2 years. :doubt:

Considering the way that this thread is going (ie. a blatant sales pitch for ricey blue bulbs, and even ricer HID kits - I really, really think that a headlamp FAQ is well and truly in this thread (and board members) best interests.

I don't have a problem with people selling stuff, but to trade on people's ignorance is a bit much. I know for a fact that 8000K HIDs are completely pointless - they are made by Philips Taiwan, to meet the Asian markets demand for these kits.

They also are illegal for sale outside of Asia, in any country that is governed by the ECE standards. (our ADR's are word-for-word the ECE standard).

They are also a waste of time and money. The higher the kelvin value, the lower the light output of the bulb. At 4300K, you have 3200 lumens. At 8000K, you have about 1800 lumens. Not that much more than a decent overwatt 100/80 bulb. Would you pay $500 for an overwatt bulb? I wouldn't.

I don't sell headlamp parts, or bulbs or whatever so I don't have any financial interest in this stuff.

Cheers
Heath Young

Considering the way that this thread is going (ie. a blatant sales pitch for ricey blue bulbs, and even ricer HID kits - I really, really think that a headlamp FAQ is well and truly in this thread (and board members) best interests.

I don't have a problem with people selling stuff, but to trade on people's ignorance is a bit much. I know for a fact that 8000K HIDs are completely pointless - they are made by Philips Taiwan, to meet the Asian markets demand for these kits.

They also are illegal for sale outside of Asia, in any country that is governed by the ECE standards. (our ADR's are word-for-word the ECE standard).

They are also a waste of time and money. The higher the kelvin value, the lower the light output of the bulb. At 4300K, you have 3200 lumens. At 8000K, you have about 1800 lumens. Not that much more than a decent overwatt 100/80 bulb. Would you pay $500 for an overwatt bulb? I wouldn't.

I don't sell headlamp parts, or bulbs or whatever so I don't have any financial interest in this stuff.

Cheers
Heath Young
See it how you will Heath; I've seen good results with 5000, 6000 and 8000K HIDs. I personally like 8000K because of the colour contrast on the road, and that's my personal opinion - I know other people like lower Kelvins. I dont' care if it's rice or not, for me it lights up the road better, and I won't be turning back to halogen globes regardless. I don't see $500 as a waste of money or on rice; it is $500 well spent on much better night driving, especially during the rainy winter weather, and even more so in Melbourne.

The theory of higher Kelvins = lower lumens, try it yourself and see. I beg to differ.

I don't see $500 as a waste of money or on rice; it is $500 well spent on much better night driving, especially during the rainy winter weather, and even more so in Melbourne.

I cant wait till cops start cracking down on these cheap HID conversion kits. The glare from missaligned and poorly installed kits annoys the crap out of me.

Its interesting that you say they use the Hella Balists.. whats the code number.. Ill check here at work. (I work for Hella Australia)

Ah well, I tried.

4300K is used by OEM's because it gives the best CRI (Colour Rendition Index), with less blue (shorter-wave) component that irritates the eye and higher lumen output

I am running (at the moment while I work on my parabolic headlamps to fit the E46 xenons - hopefully bixenons but the solenoid is giving me some serious grief for clearance) a pair of 4300K Philips xenon bulbs in Caspers Electronics H4 adaptors - gives acceptable (note I say acceptable) results, these are the best H4 adaptor out there, better than a kit.

Very noticible hotspots, but a reasonable beam. I won't be keeping these in the car.

Regarding output of 8000K bulbs... I have tested these bulbs, with the same ballast and reflector, with a calibrated lightmeter with spectral peaks at those the same as human vision (ie. 555nm peak etc.). With 4300 to 6000 (genuine Ultinons), there was a decrease of roughly 30% useful light output. Note that these are ALL philips bulbs, with the same ballast, rather then off brand bulbs - the difference from an OEM was noticible.

The difference between them is the output in terms of heat, and a higher frequency of light which is of less use for vision (kinda like a UV flashlight, neat, but not much use to see by).

I am only going to say this once: :rant:

Philips 4100K - 3200 Lumens
Philips 5800K - 2400 Lumens
Aftermarket 8000K - 2000 Lumens (best case)

Do I need to draw a picture - 40% less output than a 4100K bulb!!! :gtfo:

These results are not atypical either...

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197307

MISCONCEPTIONS (From - http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html)

There are many companies and private merchants out there that will advertise 7000K, 8000K, and even 12000K HID kits. Most of these vendors lurk around on ebay, online car forums, websites, and ricer accessory shops. 100% of the people that buy these kits do so because they are uninformed, uneducated, or misguided in the field of lighting, and will buy these junk kits thinking three things: that these bulbs are brighter, that these bulbs should cost more money, and/or that they will perform better. All three statements are completely false. Perhaps this misconception and frenzy for purple lights originates from BMW and Audi's infamous Hella projector HIDs.

So allow me to explain the real truth of the matter... Philips is the number one manufacturer of HID bulbs. The Philips OEM D2S bulb is rated at 4100K at 12.8 volts and produces 3200 lumens of light. The Philips Ultinon D2S is 5800K at 12.8 volts and produces 2400 lumens of light. As you can see, with all other factors remaining constant, the brightness of an HID bulb declines the higher up the color index you go. Vision, a Korean bulb manufacturer, makes an 8000K bulb, which they used to advertise on Acura-Forums as 2000 lumens bright. This is barely a marked improvement over halogens, and will produce more glare and eye fatigue than it is beneficial. 4100K has been proven through tireless independent research by the Germans, Japanese, and Americans to be the most functional, truest white and thus the brightest possible color temperature (ceteris paribus).

Every car manufacturer in the world (including BMW and Audi) uses none other than a standard 4100K gas-discharge bulb. No exceptions. The reason being is that 4100K is daylight white in color and produces the same color visible light as direct sunlight. This is least fatiguing functional color on the eyes and produces the most comfortable contrast on the road.

..... (Furthur from http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html)

One trick these HID con artists use is to market their HID kit as "German Philips 8000K HID kit". When I inspect these advertisements closely, what they are in fact doing is selling you a real Philips ballast, but some cheesy, generic, unlabelled 8000K HID bulb. But what it sounds like is that you're getting genuine Philips 8000K bulbs. Not the case. Many of these 8000K bulbs aren't really even producing 8000K light internally. I've seen 5000K, 7000K, and 8000K HID bulbs with blue films coated over the bulb, which act to filter out all light produced except blue and purple. This in effect dims your light output substantially

Please, seriously, take notice of some of this information.

Sorry, but the claim that 8000K is brighter... errr... :gtfo:

Cheers
Heath Young

Bain - lets start a vigalante group to target people with poorly designed, badly aimed, high kelvin HID's, people with ricey blue bulbs, people with blue parkers, LED windscreen washers, people who drive with their foglights on when their is no fog, hyundai excel drivers who leave their rear fag lights on all of the time... :)

Free pillowcase to fill with brass doorknobs for every member.

Cheers
Heath Young

Oops - freudian slip on the Hyundai excel drivers... :bowrofl:

Cheers
Heath Young

Bain - lets start a vigalante group to target people with:
poorly designed, badly aimed,...
very annoying, regardless of HID or halogen. Agreed.

... high kelvin HID's, ...
Each to their own.

... people with ricey blue bulbs, people with blue parkers, LED windscreen washers, ...
Gay. Especially on Commodores and - wait for it - Magnas :badgrin:

... people who drive with their foglights on when their is no fog, ... pointless. Worst offender is the VX SS Commodore foglights, they glare like hell.

... hyundai excel drivers who leave their rear fag lights on all of the time... :)
It's not just Hyundais! BMWs are also pretty bad, especially the E36 variant... (I used to own one, I ensured mine was never turned on!)

anyway... purpose of this argument, I didn't come here to pick a fight with anyone. Not you Heath, not you Bain, not anyone else either. I was linked here because somebody posted up a pic of my car with a question re: rims (which I couldn't help with anyway lol ), I was browsing around and came across this topic.

Coming from OCAU (http://forums.overclockers.com.au), the home of keyboard warriors, I'm not overly fussed about arguments on forums. I'm here to have a good time, as I see forums are a great way to relax (usually) and to discuss different matters. Each to their own - nobody's right or wrong, everyone has their own opinion on things. It's up to you to accept it, or to reject it. Not everyone has the money, time, tools etc. to retrofit an HID assembly - I'd love to do that with my own setup (and my fogs included) but I simply don't have the tools required, let alone the time and patience for countless hours of trying different materials etc. nor the downtime of having no headlight assembly (fitting headlights on the ST205 is about a three hour job). Agreed that misaligned headlights are more annoying than anything, but for all the kits I've sold, all efforts have been taken to ensure headlights have been aligned correctly to minimise glare.
You may call me a con artist if you feel so inclined, but you can NOT call me negligent or irresponsible. My own headlights (as an example) have been lined up so they are 0.1% lower than the standard alignment to minimise glare even further.

Hehe :)

We are all friends here :D

You aren't negligent or irresponsible, just a tad misinformed. Nobody was jumping on you from a great height or anything... Even though it may seem like sometimes...

Cheers
Heath Young

Wish someone has a light measuring device that could be setup like 10m away from vehicle and test how much light comes out. Just to see the difference... :)

Wish someone has a light measuring device that could be setup like 10m away from vehicle and test how much light comes out. Just to see the difference... :)
I think the rule of I=i/r^2 should still be approximated. However, it isn't a perfect sphere of light (light is all directed towards one side) so I'm not sure what exactly the rule is now... lol

I think the rule of I=i/r^2 should still be approximated. However, it isn't a perfect sphere of light (light is all directed towards one side) so I'm not sure what exactly the rule is now... lol
nerd... :gtfo:

if i have enough, i will get some quality HID kit.
cops are not very confuse on whether those HID are factory or not unless u get some very blue HID.
well, if ppl want to have HID, just let them be as it is their money and we all love our cars
peace

Inverse square law has nothing to do with these measurements - ie. unless you are trying to measure the output of the bulb itself (rather than measurements made to compare relative outputs) you don't need this sort of information.

With a simple lightmeter, and a reflector/lens combination (under test), you can measure the relative output at different points. This is how headlamp telemetry is done. You use a reference bulb as the standard (typically a 'reference' Philips bulb, HX 55W @ 13.8V regulated IIRC). The measurements are taken, and the beam is profiled.

You then use different bulbs and compare the brightness is different parts of the beam - if a bulb has correct filament geometry, then the beam pattern will be identical brightness (but the output will be an identical percentage up/down/or the same).

HID *kits* fail to meet these very specific requirements for telemetry (and legal approval) for these reasons - a filament bulb has a very different profile to a HID bulb. Period. And that is why they will never be a suitable replacement for a filament bulb, no matter how fancy the shielding.

Don't expect the same pattern as you would from a filament - cause you just won't get it.

Quality is also subjective. The only way to fit a HID kit to these cars is to buy yourself a decent pair of OEM (not wan-king industries) ballasts, a pair of Philips or Osram D2S bulbs and some Casper's electronics shields.

That way, if you blow a bulb, you don't have to drive around for a month with one headlamp out - you can get a OEM bulb that fits straight in. Lifetime of the OEM bulbs is far better than the Korean bulbs - they don't go funny colours (I have seen quite a few cars with kits with two different headlamps), they don't strobe, they don't have different brightnesses.

Philips/Osram make bulbs by the millions - Korean manufacturers make them by the thousands... Think about it.

Cheers
Heath Young