was in super cheap auto today, saw these "rampage" subs.. somewhere around 220 bucks for dual 12" in a sealed box

now its obvious theyre not going to be the greatest of subs, but for the price, are they any decent? or are there better ones for the price (sony xplod maybe?) (stop throwing things at me :P i know xplod are **** and rampage most likely are too....nice price tho)

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/www/index.cfm?itemid=203

Get what you pay for generally, but a crap sub is quite acceptable to many ppl. It is definetly an upgrade in comparison to no sub at all...

Usually they will still play bass well... You will just miss out on power handling, linearity, build quality etc.

Dont expect to put their rated power into them as specs are usually dodgy to make them look good.

See if you can have a listen, they usually plug em in for you.

A better option could be spending $250 on 1 x 12" sub, and making your own box for it.

is the difference between a crap and a good sub all that big? i know some will argue definatley yes, but i seem to think even my desktop sub sounds good and its only small..so would your average listener like me notice any difference?

and yes, spending the same on a better quality sub sounds good to me :P even if i dont notice a differnce it might last longer..

Until you've heard good subs you wont notice the difference. And you probably wont notice the distortion that a crappy sub produces. I dont think sub bass is as important as most people make it out to be. Well it shouldnt be where you put 50% of your car audio money anyway.
I havent put anywhere near as much focus into my sub bass as my mid bass midrange and treble.

As long as there is enough extension down low and you dont drive your sub to distortion you should be fine.

A good setup is crystal clear. Smooth, good transient response and most importantly feels real. Like a real guitar riff or drum kick.
But given that poor box design or a lack of sound deadening will make any sub sound crap.

Like most things it's about priorities. I'd definetly go one decent 12" over two crap ones. The pioneer cheapies arent too bad for the price, then theres Jaycar etc.

i was thinking jaycar..

thing is, 60% of the time the sub wont be turned up that loud anyway...im buying 6x9`s in the rear to help with bass for my normal listening as i usually listen to metal, and my desktop sub has shown me that metal + sub sounds fairly crap...

i just want a cheap sub i can occasionally turn up to get a bit of loud & deep "doof" when listening to trance, hip hop etc..

Even a small 10" will go nicely then...

Or 8" into the parcel shelf. I still want someone to do this...

Even a small 10" will go nicely then...

Or 8" into the parcel shelf. I still want someone to do this...

wouldnt that require cutting metal though? gotta stay legal :P

with a 10", how loud/deep can they go? still enough to open my boot and have my mates go "nice"? (wank factor yes i know :P but still, need something to convert the anti-magnas )

They will not get down as low as most subs, but will still be enough to complement your speakers.

If you want OMG factor you need 12" minimum...

They will not get down as low as most subs, but will still be enough to complement your speakers.

If you want OMG factor you need 12" minimum...

Hmm..fair enough..wasnt really after a 10 anyway. any lower priced 12`s you would reccomend?

also what would i need to run it in terms of amps, monoblocks etc..

Digital Designs - DD1012 could prob pick one up for $250.
You wont be disappointed with this. has really good low end extension. I'm running two of them.

PM fhrx with ur price and what ur after... he can get you a small discount for AMC members and would have better knowledge of the lineup than me... I dont know too much about that end of the market unfortunately. I spend all my time drooling over the high end stuff ;)

thanks mate, you've been a great help and clearly know your stuff :P time for me to go a-googling with products numbers now :P thanks once again

Np's

Here's a link to some recommended retail prices that might help you out

http://www.fastfoursforumscarclub.com/temp/fhrxstudios/products.asp

If you don't mind going 2nd hand check out www.caraudioaustralia.com in their for sale forums.

I've bought heaps of gear off there cheap and never had any problems.

Cheers

Tim

I have Heard the Rampage 10's in Action and for the Money they are OK, the cones look like they were sourced from Fusion but the underlying sub is just crap..
My Fly Audio 10 inch has the Cone from the Pioneer Diamond Plate sub but the rest of the Sub underneath look like a Cheaper made sub,but it still had screw down terminals..


The Enclosure itself is OK and if you bought it just for the Enclosure then the $220 would be well spent, you would just have to Crank the Crap out of it and replace the speakers when they Blew with something more upmarket but keep the enclosure..
I have installed the Fly Audio Bandpass enclosures into friends cars and for the Money they are not a bad enclosure design , you even get Ricey Neon Tubes in the enclosure aswell..
They do handle a bit of a flogging but are not in the league of Pioneer or Clarion..

so if you are after good chest thumping Bass on a Budget then go for it..

Tim, Check out here for a look at them..http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/www/index.cfm?itemid=203

I have Heard the Rampage 12's in Action and for the Money they are OK, the cones look like they were sourced from Fusion but the underlying sub is just crap..
My Fly Audio 10 inch has the Cone from the Pioneer Diamond Plate sub but the rest of the Sub underneath look like a Cheaper made sub,but it still had screw down terminals..


The Enclosure itself is OK and if you bought it just for the Enclosure then the $220 would be well spent, you would just have to Crank the Crap out of it and replace the speakers when they Blew with something more upmarket but keep the enclosure..
I have installed the Fly Audio Bandpass enclosures into friends cars and for the Money they are not a bad enclosure design , you even get Ricey Neon Tubes in the enclosure aswell..
They do handle a bit of a flogging but are not in the league of Pioneer or Clarion..

so if you are after good chest thumping Bass on a Budget then go for it..

u mean go for fly audio? or rampage?

those digital designs subs seem nice, thats the price i was lookin at spending all up, so noo cash left for an enclosure

u mean go for fly audio? or rampage?

those digital designs subs seem nice, thats the price i was lookin at spending all up, so noo cash left for an enclosure

Both if you are on a Small budget but go else where if you can afford to get better quality gear..

Both the Fly audio Bandpass and the Rampage Enclosures are good, but the subs are borderline..

Both if you are on a Small budget but go else where if you can afford to get better quality gear..

fair enough.. what about amps? it says the dual 12's are 800w`s..does that mean i need an 800w amp?

I would pay no attention to their Ratings..

Here is a Better Sounding sub in a Better enclosure ..
http://www.strathfield.com/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=1444


As for Ampliifiers it is Best to have an Amp that is more then the rating of the subs...

Even a small 10" will go nicely then...

Or 8" into the parcel shelf. I still want someone to do this...

Talk to falcon owners, they have an 8" cutout factory in the parcel shelf for the Ghia's, bang a VIBE exact 8 in there, I'm talking my friend into it at the moment ;)

Matthius

I couldnt agree more with you tim, untill you listen to a good quality sub, you dont know what one is.

Its amazing when you listen to a song that has like 5 hard bass beats in a second and each and every individual beat hits you like a blow to the body... i frkn love it lol

ok makes sence..

do people generally usually run their speakers off an amp too? or do they go into the hu? if amped, do i need to add up each wattage to know the size of the amp i need?

ie..200w + 200w + 800w = 1200w? or will an 800w amp run it all?

also (sorry to be pain with all the constant questions :S), the rampage box looks rather...odd. were the ones u saw mounted on anything? or were they flat in the boot and hogging the floor?

With the rampage subs, do they say 800 watts? this would be pmpo, with those subs the RMS rating would be more around 300-400... maybe 200rms, they are cheap.


Any decent system will have ALL speakers running off an amp.

If you have two subs, and they are both 200 watts rms, then you need 400 watts rms.

The trick is the OHM rating.

If both subs are single voice coil 4 ohm, then you can hook them up in parrell, 4 ohm plus 4 ohm in parell will give a 2 ohm rating.

So TWO 200 watt rms 4 ohm speaker will need 400 watts at 2 ohms.

With the rampage subs, do they say 800 watts? this would be pmpo, with those subs the RMS rating would be more around 300-400... maybe 200rms, they are cheap.

the link in both my original post and magnats post is about as much information ive been able to find on them :S they just say 800w

Yeah, well i can tell you with every confedence in the world that the 800 watt rating is NOT rms.

Yeah, well i can tell you with every confedence in the world that the 800 watt rating is NOT rms.

so when i select an amp i need to add up the rms of my products to get a general idea of what watt amp i need?

Well I did a little searching, now check this..
Rampage is a name belonging to the Audiovox group, the ones who import Jensen and the like, but none of this Supercheap auto stuff is theirs , but the Rampage line they have looks pretty good..

So I am assuming that the Rampage Gear Supercheap auto have is a knock off Brand or a Exclusive line that only they can get , Much like the Sound Force and Fly Audio...

So if this Rampage gear is made by the same Company, they might not be too bad...

As for Buying an Amp, stick to a Well know Brand and avoid knock off.. Jaycar make Great Budget Amps..

If you are buying or intending to run all your Speakers off Amps, Your Head unit selection is Critical.. If you buy a Headunit with only one RCA output, this limits your Control a bit...

yeah i did a little research as well as found that out, but i found pictures as well, they look completely different..so im thinking there might be no relation

I couldnt agree more with you tim, untill you listen to a good quality sub, you dont know what one is.

Its amazing when you listen to a song that has like 5 hard bass beats in a second and each and every individual beat hits you like a blow to the body... i frkn love it lol
Surprisingly this is a good measure of how "good" your bass is. You should be able to distinguish all these subtle notes and changes clearly and even the deepest notes should overcome engine and road noise.

Here's a big tip to save you guys some money...

Don't audition stuff and try and stay the hell away from car audio... it's extremely addictive. Sometimes I wish I was an alcoholic... At least then I can get treatment. :p

Tiim, you are so correct.. It is addictive..
Bass is a Drug...

Actually music does stimulate ur senses to such a point that your body is emotionally altered by it.
Over time your body finds a craving for it and you need that 9am hit to calm you down.

My tunes are the only thing that gets me to uni every morning... I know it's not the lectures...

haha yup... im hooked like a mofo.
Im saving up and buying another Phoenix Gold Ti 15 so i can have two of these babies.
Both in sealed boxes of course.... no no i needa save up for a new card argghhhh bloody car audio.

Im going to need AT LEAST another 400 bucks of sound deadending haha.

well when i was working at super cheap the other day i noticed the RAMPAGE brand amp.....now i had a quick flick over the box and I CANT REMEMBER EXACT FIGURES BUT, it was something along the lines of 800W MAX x 2 @ 2 Ohms, now i thought to myself, **** 1600W!!!!!! all for the leasly sum of $199? surely to good to be true, so by reading this thread, am i hearing to stay away from these amps? maily cause there a non neard of brand and havent had alot of testing?, cause like DAMN for $199 its not bad bang for ur buck

I love the Chest reverberating sound Two 12 inch Ported subs offer on a nice Sweep...
Doesn't Matter if they are Magnat, Eclipse or Pioneer if they can go slow and low.. I am hooked...
* Just as long as there is not a Kenwood component in site I am easily pleased....

Most cheap brands will quote PMPO or peak power figures.

This is quite different to RMS which is the only true measure of how good an amp is and what real power your amps can recieve.

well when i was working at super cheap the other day i noticed the RAMPAGE brand amp.....now i had a quick flick over the box and I CANT REMEMBER EXACT FIGURES BUT, it was something along the lines of 800W MAX x 2 @ 2 Ohms, now i thought to myself, **** 1600W!!!!!! all for the leasly sum of $199? surely to good to be true, so by reading this thread, am i hearing to stay away from these amps? maily cause there a non neard of brand and havent had alot of testing?, cause like DAMN for $199 its not bad bang for ur buck


Next time you are in their, look at the Boxe's and see if there is not some other name associated with the Rampage Brand ??

The Best way to tell if the Amp can handle the Power is to look at the Fuse it uses.
if it is a 1600W amp with a 15W fuse then it is unlikely...
I use a Simple Method to find out its true power and that is Fuse Rating X Channels

so if it is a 1600W amp x 4 and it has an 80Amp fuse then I apply it like this

4x80 = 320W so the amps more possible output is 320Watts and not 1600

Of course this method is not 100 % accurate but it usually helps me...

I love the Chest reverberating sound Two 12 inch Ported subs offer on a nice Sweep...
Doesn't Matter if they are Magnat, Eclipse or Pioneer if they can go slow and low.. I am hooked...
* Just as long as there is not a Kenwood component in site I am easily pleased....

You dont need 2x 12's or a ported box to get the chest going, had the G5 at 4/5 max volume playing some weird bass song at under 60Hz -> 20Hz and my girl reached for the volume nob and said that it was really hurting her ears and she loves loud music.. nice :D

Porting that sub would just be crazy :D

well when i meant 1600 i meant MAX not RMS of course lol, when i work friday ill check out the specs and write em down as im very interested into if there any good at all

ok well some specs are as follows
4x 300 WATTS MAX
Bridged 2 x 800 WATTS MAX @ 2 Ohms

didnt rememeber anything else, but i reckon for under $200 they seem pretty good bang for your buck,
any other opinions?

Done good..
Someone surely must be able to give AMC'Rs a review on this stuff...
I would but my Nearest Super Cheap auto store is over 60k's away

i wouldnt bother going, none of the amps are connected up anyway, from memory its only the sony stuff which is all connected together, so unless someone buys these amps we will never know :S

oh and can someone tell me what these nmbers mean
8 gauge wire
4 gauge wire

and so on and so forth

cause we just got some 8 gauge wiring kits today @ work and FRIG ME THE WIRE WAS THICK ASSSSSSSSSSSSSS, so yeah can anyone clear that up so i know what im talking bout?

yeah it is only the sony stuff that gets hooked up there... and my god dont the xplod subs sound crap :S yuck


i was looking at one of the headunits they have set up in thier "sony wall" tho...but everytime i pressed a button a loud annoying beep went through the speakers..is that in all sony hu`s? or just "feature" of thier display wall?

also, heading over to supercheap auto on monday to try my luck at getting a listen of these rampage subs and amps...only prob is its all just shelved gear apart fron sony xplod as tuff tr said

8 Gauge wiring is pretty skinny.

Lower the gauge the bigger the wire...

0 gauge is 50 mm. 8 gauge will struggle with the power most amps draw.

Best bet is usually 4 gauge.

Not to sound like a dickhead, but I don't think Rampage would be your best choice in a subwoofer. You'd be better off buying a Pioneer, JL Audio subwoofer from your local JB HiFi and making your own box.