I'm looking at stripping back a motor to do a bit of work to it, but i need my car to drive.

if the engine is the same as the one i have in my car, even though its out of a 1st gen, im not going to have any problems when i go to put it in my car, with all my fuel injection etc?

picture it. the engine is on a stand in my shed, i can tinker with it and change bits as i get them etc... its all good in theory, just as long as im going to be able to put it in my car when its finished.

Z

i dont fully understand but you cant put an older engine into a newer car thats all i know

you can put older motors in cars but must meet the enviro laws for that year model

are you 100% sure? Im was pretty sure in victoria you arent allowed to because they want people in newer cars e.g you cant put a XF falcon engine into a BA but why you would want to is beyond me

i was pretty sure that if you put a different engine into a shell of a car say from year 1992, then it simply must meet the emmisions level and noise level for that car of 1992. Also your brakes must be able to stop the car within required distance if your engines power is increased or something.
So yeh in theory it should be no worries.

if he is simply putting an astron 2 magna first gen engine, into an astron 2 2nd gen magna engine bay
then there is no dramas, these engines are interchangeable, as it is i doubt theres a 2.6 astron around with all its own parts still.

if he is simply putting an astron 2 magna first gen engine, into an astron 2 2nd gen magna engine bay
then there is no dramas, these engines are interchangeable, as it is i doubt theres a 2.6 astron around with all its own parts still.

Try explaining that to someone that only cares about years. You would say all this stuff and they would come back at you with "but the engine is older than the car"

They are wankers for this.

I Restored A 1946 Bently And The Motor Was 20 Years Older Than The Car Was ..they Casted The Block And Left It To Rust In A Paddock For 20 Years Then Machined It ...the Idea Was It Would Make The Engine Block Stronger ...must Of Worked The Dam Thing Still Running

zach I recommend you use the 2nd gen EFI system, 2nd gen EFI is sequential injection. 1st gen isn't. If you were to fit 1st gen EFI into a 2nd gen body then i would doubt it would meet the emissions for the later model, mechanically the engines are basically the same, except the head differences we discussed before.
one thing to check.... are the engine mount holes in the 1st and 2nd gen blocks in the same places?

hi guys,
i understand all this stuff about the emmisions etc, but thats a non issue as i'll be using all the existing running gear thats in the car now, including all the fuel injection. what i wanted to clarify was that i could put a 1st gen astron2 into a 2nd gen thats already got an astron 2 in it.
i've got a whole 1st gen carby sitting there doing nothing and i figure, i'll rip the engine apart and start building something a bit stronger. newer cast heads, higher compressions pistons etc.

but i just wanted to be 100% sure that i wasnt going to run into any problems.

i figure i should be able to get about 10:1 out of it with a little bit of work, which should make for some fun.

then project number 2 starts.... blown astron =P


Cheers

Zach

dumb question, is the first and second gen magnas both astron 2? Just first gens arent EFI?

dumb question, is the first and second gen magnas both astron 2? Just first gens arent EFI?

What drugs are you smoking man? TN and TP both came with an EFI version... :nuts:

sorry mate im not a pool of knowledge like you and i have never looked into first gens! no need to bite my head off!!!! Im just askin a question

What drugs are you smoking man? TN and TP both came with an EFI version... :nuts:

Ease up soldier. Just answer the question nicely.

Apologies guys, question kind of surprised me.... :redface:

ha ha ur right....but still does anyone wanna say? are the engines the same?

i believe the engine they put in mine was from a TP magna, they are very interchangable they did have to get a longer bolt for my manual gearbox though. but i think these problems are only minor.
if your going to go down the carby route i wouldnt waste my time with the stock mikuni carburettor, too expensive to rebuild. better off to get a webber carb/adaptor plate and put that on. thats what im running and it goes like stink :badgrin:
makes beautiful sounds and i also get reasonable fuel economy. although if youve got all the running gear for EFI, id stick with it. better economy, same power just doesnt make good noise.

the 1st gen and 2nd gen have pretty much identical engines
well atleast they sound the same if they are different engines then
why the hell do they sound exactly the same im confuzzled

what confusion.....ok both the 1st gen and 2nd gen magnas came out with 2.6L astron 4cyl engines, (the 4cyl, 2.4L in the 3rd gen is different)
1st gen only came with the 2.6L astron. All first gen engines were the same compression ratio of 8.8:1. The pre 86 TM ran leaded fuel, 1st gens came with either EFI or carby.
2nd gen engine mounts are different.

2nd gen GLX model were carby and also had the same compression ration as the 1st gens.
All other 2nd gen 4cyl models were EFI had a higher compression ratio of 9:1, the EFI was a more advanced sequential system combined with longer inlet manifold runners and they also have roller rockers.
There are also differences between TR and TS 4cyl engines in the head and the pistons, but the compression ratios are the same.

liverpool rule, I hope this clears it up for you

thanks mate, so for a first gen guy changing to a second gen engine would be pointless as there are better ones for the same cost/effort

2nd gen EFI is sequential injection. 1st gen isn't. If you were to fit 1st gen EFI into a 2nd gen body then i would doubt it would meet the emissions for the later model
1st generation has sequential injection.
The carby TR/S engine and TM ULP-TP engine are identical. As you said, the EFI ones have different heads but it makes no real difference as far as registration goes.

I have found with TRs with recond engines that they more often than not have a TM-P engine anyways.

someone mentioned something about having different engine mounts? whats the go there?

any idea on which engines these were and which engines are a viable option to put into a TR

Dunno bout the engine mounts, I think I put the TP ones on when I dropped the TR engine into my old one. I dropped engine and box in too FYI :)

I know there is a difference between the V6 mounts and the 4 cyl, the V6 mounts to the car at a slightly different location on the LHS.