I thought, after all the crud that has been posted lately, about bad Magnas.. that we needed some good words. I found this on the web.

…Mitsubishi Motors and Ralliart Australia, this car’s pedigree stretches nearly 40 years. From the hairpins of Monte Carlo to the dunes of Dakar, Ralliart engineers have honed and tested their skills - and proven themselves time and again.

Famous for their rally versions of Mitsubishi’s Lancer Evolution, the Ralliart team was then asked to unleash the full performance potential of the Magna.

With Ralliart Team Manager, Bob Riley and Rally Champion driver, Ed Ordynski on the development programme, the new Ralliart Magna surpassed on all counts. The outcome made possible because the basic Mitsubishi Magna engine was so good - with a hi-flow cold air intake, its racing-style compact 4-valve combustion chambers, centrally located spark plugs, well-shaped inlet and exhaust ports, Roller Rockers and baffled oil sump.

First, the flow characteristics of the cylinder heads were improved, the compression ratio was increased to 9.4:1 and a revised hi-lift camshaft added - meaning more air into the engine and corresponding increased performance. The engine ECU was then re-mapped, optimising
engine management for economy and performance.

For the exhaust, the existing Magna low-restriction VR-X system was an excellent base - but stainless steel, hi-flow headers increased top-end power. Quite simply, the new Ralliart Magna is so tuned it’s philharmonic. And what a performance. The 3.5 litre, 24 valve V6 MPI engine delivers all of 180kW of raw power at 5500rpm - matched by an awesome 333Nm of torque at 4000rpm (providing one of the best power-to-weight ratios in its class).

Put the pedal to the metal and the new manual Ralliart Magna will scorch to 100km/h in just 6.71 secs, and pass the 400-metre post in only 14.78 secs (top speed limited to 240km/h). And yet, the new Ralliart Magna uses regular unleaded fuel - and is actually the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its class.

Put the pedal to the metal and the new manual Ralliart Magna will scorch to 100km/h in just 6.71 secs, and pass the 400-metre post in only 14.78 secs (top speed limited to 240km/h). And yet, the new Ralliart Magna uses regular unleaded fuel - and is actually the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its class.
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Hmmm, my car aint far off that, not bad for an exec model 3 years older!!

Only gotta shave of .8 of a second and i will match the manual ralliarts - and they have LSD!!!

Brings on teh CAMS!!

Manual

..., and pass the 400-metre post in only 14.78 secs (top speed limited to 240km/h).[/i]

geezes, and a stock turbo 180sx does it high 14's/low 15's

is that 180kws at the LSD, or flywheel?
cos 15-20kw's doesnt sound like much of a gain from all the work they've done to it

its 180kW at the flywheel.

And even though it doesn't sound like much (17kW up on the Sports/VR-X to be exact, or 25kW from the base model) keep in mind that this is a production vehicle and needed to be built to mass market durability and drivability standards.

And they haven't really done much to the engine.. a set of extractors, slightly higher compression ratio (up from 9:1 to 9.4:1) and probably the equivalent of RPW's stage 1 cams.

Gives you an idea of what MagnaV6Sports13 can hope to get out of his stage 2 cams =)

yep, the 3.5 sohc 24v is good for about 190 to 200 before you have to change major things inside the engine. 180 is good for a factory job. :)

The new 3.8 mitsu will be good. 190 stock.

yeh 180 and all them have fast time's for stock,
but thing bout it if they were to take their turbo's off ?
wat they got then ? nothing at all.
turbo the ralliart then see wat it does down the quater

I don't see how pulling turbos off is relevant.

it wont be as fast

Yeh but the engines made for a Turbo charged car are designed exactly for the turbine system. If you take the turbo off it'll be like... take a V6 magna down to a 2.4 and throwing on a carby and saying yeh is can't do much now can it!!

It's like saying "but if I gave you a lobotomy you wouldn't be so smart, so nyerrr". It's stupid.
It is turbo, the Magna isn't and that's that. You could play this "if, if, if" game forever.

easy easy.. just trying to explain it...


no need to get all pissy

geeez... i wonder why people are so keen to get stuck into each other on this forum? its just crazy how defensive people get and even more crazy, how offensive people can get..................

SHUTUP
stop it hey
STOPPICKING ON MY CAR

Its a bit shitty thats why itsabitshit

hahah yeah ive noticed the whole lack of love!!

its getting worse too!!


I like my car still :P

But that notice wasnt for my car was it!!! the whole review!

where are the moderators??? seem to have taken a holiday..
in tech torque, General, mods, TE-TJ forum? hey guys?

Um I cant see that MiG was being defensive.

I think the problem here is that people read negatively into posts before giving the benefit of the doubt.

It's like saying "but if I gave you a lobotomy you wouldn't be so smart, so nyerrr". It's stupid.
It is turbo, the Magna isn't and that's that. You could play this "if, if, if" game forever.

I ought to slap you silly boy , the point the man was trying to make was that the Magna does so with NA tuning with 3.5 litre's and only SOHC , where as the 180sx is a DOHC and a turbo which in resulting gives the engine a dissplacement similar to 3.5 or above when on boost but with less weight , so in thoery if you took the turbo of the 180sx and then compared both car's as NA tuned then im sure the magna would shine.

And if you have any respect at all for the motoring world you know it takes more work to make an NA car go fast then a high dissplacement or forced induction car , and for me there's nothing more magical then a high revving engine fed only by the air we breath.



geezes, and a stock turbo 180sx does it high 14's/low 15's

is that 180kws at the LSD, or flywheel?
cos 15-20kw's doesnt sound like much of a gain from all the work they've done to it

Well you sound fairly smartered how the hell do you measures power at the lsd instine ?

180kw's at the flywheel is a fair whack , and 20kw's is hell hard to make on a NA engine. where not talking about adding higher boost pressure to gain HP here.

I think the problem here is that people read negatively into posts before giving the benefit of the doubt.

did you just call me Mr stinko man ? ... oh sorry i must of read it wrong. :D

I ought to slap you silly boy , the point the man was trying to make was that the Magna does so with NA tuning with 3.5 litre's and only SOHC , where as the 180sx is a DOHC and a turbo which in resulting gives the engine a dissplacement similar to 3.5 or above when on boost but with less weight , so in thoery if you took the turbo of the 180sx and then compared both car's as NA tuned then im sure the magna would shine.

And if you have any respect at all for the motoring world you know it takes more work to make an NA car go fast then a high dissplacement or forced induction car , and for me there's nothing more magical then a high revving engine fed only by the air we breath.


Just in case you try to subtly twist the meaning of the post I was replying to, I'll quote it here:
"yeh 180 and all them have fast time's for stock,
but thing bout it if they were to take their turbo's off ?
wat they got then ? nothing at all.
turbo the ralliart then see wat it does down the quater"

This is the game that the Honda boys play when they lose. "But my engine is a naturally aspirated 1.6 and makes 100+ HP per liter. If your engine was 1.6 L I'd kick your arse".
Are you so jealous of stock 180SXs that you feel the need to theoretically strip them of their valuable assets? I'm not.

Stop being one eyed Magna supporters. That's how car enthusiasts that own certain cars get a bad repution. The owners think that their car/model/brand is the pinnacle of automotive excellence and that everything else under four times the price is crap. The end result of that is that everybody hates everybody.
I can't stop you from trying to invent reasons to put down every other car but don't expect me to sit quietly just to look friendly.

This is the game that the Honda boys play when they lose. "But my engine is a naturally aspirated 1.6 and makes 100+ HP per liter. If your engine was 1.6 L I'd kick your arse".
Are you so jealous of stock 180SXs that you feel the need to theoretically strip them of their valuable assets? I'm not.

Stop being one eyed Magna supporters. That's how car enthusiasts that own certain cars get a bad repution. The owners think that their car/model/brand is the pinnacle of automotive excellence and that everything else under four times the price is crap. The end result of that is that everybody hates everybody.
I can't stop you from trying to invent reasons to put down every other car but don't expect me to sit quietly just to look friendly.

I have no idea what your talking about i have a Hachiroku and i was going to build up a 1600 NA tuned engine to put in it but i just cant justify spending $10,000 on an engine at the moment , im trying to save $10,000 for a camera for a business. None the less it has been proven that well tuned 1600's can with ease beat large dissplacement turbo car's and i love NA. I was also thinking of buying a ps13 or 180 so before you call me a one eyed magna supporter , well the fact is i enjoy any well tuned car so shut your noise hole before i shut it for you i assure you there are bigger magna fans on this forum then me, i actually prefer the Lancer bloodline to the Magna but i could never drive a lancer the way i drive my magna because i couldnt live with any damage i did to such a car ... arhh the lancer evolution the evolution of perfection.

You seem like a nice person Mig however im still unsure how i came to that conclusion perhaps its so you might pipe down and be less self minded. So rather then just speaking shit that you do not know think first.

Widowmaker...

Hey widomaker,

Do you have a real Hachiroku? or is it a Locally sold Sprinter(Hachigo)?, If it's real did you import it and how much was it?

I love these things :D Well any small RWD

Hey widomaker,

Do you have a real Hachiroku? or is it a Locally sold Sprinter(Hachigo)?, If it's real did you import it and how much was it?

I love these things :D Well any small RWD

i have a real hachiroku AE86 . hachigo means 8 5 no i bought it off someone i knew.

Yes its a very fun car and extreemly fun on the track.

After much mucking around with this reply I stood back and realised that I can't see where the hell you are coming from. So I've deleted everything. :?

"so shut your noise hole before i shut it for you..."
Really.

"You seem like a nice person Mig however im still unsure how i came to that conclusion perhaps its so you might pipe down and be less self minded."

I think I'd rather not pipe down. Keep in mind that my normal sig is: "Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a few hours you realise he likes it."
I'm not out to piss people off, it's just that sometimes they say things that I strongly disagree with. A forum is a place of discussion by definition.

TR Steve: I was not replying to your explanation.

After much mucking around with this reply I stood back and realised that I can't see where the hell you are coming from. So I've deleted everything. :?


And bloody thank you so much for it. and for the record im not an engineer

*REOWWW*

CAT FIGHT !!!

Man.. I aint been here long, but come on people, start acting like human beings, not biting each other's heads off the minute someone says something you don't like. Just say what you have to say, state clearly down the bottom you don't mean to offend anyone, just incase!
My $0.02c worth.. even though I shouldn't add it..
Laters

SuFz :evil:

that's bloody it KJ GTV lets go outside , fisty cuffs ... hehehe j/k

It's just when in writing it's hard to understand when people kid around or make any subtle jokes. Text lacks a certain emotion.

this is just one big misunderstanding

KJ GTV, I noticed you said SUFZ in your post...

are you from CAA? ie: Suffy aka Face the Facts :duh: ?

That ring a bell?

ahaha killbilly nice avatar

[quote:374b2888e2="MiG"]After much mucking around with this reply I stood back and realised that I can't see where the hell you are coming from. So I've deleted everything. :?


And bloody thank you so much for it. and for the record im not an engineer[/quote:374b2888e2]

MiG was saying that HE is the engineer...... ;)

It's just when in writing it's hard to understand when people kid around or make any subtle jokes. Text lacks a certain emotion.

this is just one big misunderstanding

What the fuggin hell? Is someone trying to frame me here, who flogged me sig :shock: :( :? :x

I understand there's a space between the two words but this is gonna cause some confusion

ahaha killbilly nice avatar

LoL..u dissin my "Cheers" pose? :p lol :lol: :lol:

[quote:57a3722524="Scuba Steve"]It's just when in writing it's hard to understand when people kid around or make any subtle jokes. Text lacks a certain emotion.

this is just one big misunderstanding

What the fuggin hell? Is someone trying to frame me here, who flogged me sig :shock: :( :? :x[/quote:57a3722524]

Ah, I didn't notice that before. Bit dodgy.

haha... strange how a topic called "some nice words about magnas..." turned into a fell nasty things said by magna owners.... ironic :D

I understand there's a space between the two words but this is gonna cause some confusion

It confused me before until I noticed it didn't have your avator and he's in Melbourne.

haha... strange how a topic called "some nice words about magnas..." turned into a fell nasty things said by magna owners.... ironic :D

I agree. Totally.

what the bloody hell.... the names are all screwed up!!

bah!

i change back...

and i just watched billy maddison too :'(

argh!

i mean big daddy


...I've been at work all day, gimmie a break 8)

Wow what happened here.
At the end of the day you have to compare apples with apples. Forced induction does give huge advantages especially in a light car.
On the same token you can not compare a sports car to a family car even if the family car is a Ralliart Magna as it is still essentially designed as a family/business car just with a bit more punch.
Either way I amsure both cars have thier good and bad points. Some us liking Mitsu's and others Nissans is what makes this world unique, if we all liked the same car what a boring old place it would be.