Gday all.My wife was filling up our tj other day with lpg.When it had finshed she let go of the handle and went to unscew it and gas started to piss out .They turned it off inside but the gas kept coming out.They then turned it off in the boot stop ped the gas.Then they took it off and tried it again no probs.The wife reacons the cfa bloke said something bout a preasure value in the pump.Anyways I had to take the wife to the burns unit at the alfred the next day.Blisters hands now in bandages.Two weeks at least off work.Rang the servo asked the bloke in charge what they were going to do .I said I wanted private health care etc.Told me nothing to do with then my car the problem.I really don't know if it is the car of not.Anyway he wasn't getting away lightly and I told him to get onto the insurance comp who I am waiting to hear from.Anyone got any ideas about possible causes I'd like to have the info at hand before i talk to any insurance fecker.Should I ring a solicitor.Still can't get over the bloke when I told him bout the wifes hands he was like "and I give a ****"lucky the c--t was on the end of a phone I wasn't happy :rant: .Anyway any advice would be gratefully received. Thanks all martin

Gday all.My wife was filling up our tj other day with lpg.When it had finshed she let go of the handle and went to unscew it and gas started to piss out .They turned it off inside but the gas kept coming out.They then turned it off in the boot stop ped the gas.Then they took it off and tried it again no probs.The wife reacons the cfa bloke said something bout a preasure value in the pump.Anyways I had to take the wife to the burns unit at the alfred the next day.Blisters hands now in bandages.Two weeks at least off work.Rang the servo asked the bloke in charge what they were going to do .I said I wanted private health care etc.Told me nothing to do with then my car the problem.I really don't know if it is the car of not.Anyway he wasn't getting away lightly and I told him to get onto the insurance comp who I am waiting to hear from.Anyone got any ideas about possible causes I'd like to have the info at hand before i talk to any insurance fecker.Should I ring a solicitor.Still can't get over the bloke when I told him bout the wifes hands he was like "and I give a ****"lucky the c--t was on the end of a phone I wasn't happy :rant: .Anyway any advice would be gratefully received. Thanks all martin let me get this right. Your wife was filling up the lpg tank, pulled off the pump after it was full and gas started coming out of your tank?

How exactly is that the Servo's fault?

Its unfortunate your wife got injured, but the Servo guy is right, whats it go to do with him?

Your tank defines when its 'full'. When was the last time you got the LPG tank serviced?

let me get this right. Your wife was filling up the lpg tank, pulled off the pump after it was full and gas started coming out of your tank?

How exactly is that the Servo's fault?

Its unfortunate your wife got injured, but the Servo guy is right, whats it go to do with him?

Your tank defines when its 'full'. When was the last time you got the LPG tank serviced?

I was under the impression that fuel/gas pumps were pressure sensitive, and as such, stop when the tank is getting full. If, for whatever reason the pump didn't stop a few times before the the gas came out, then you may have a mild case against the servo.

However, with the rate of compensation/tort claims out there lately, I'd be surprised if you weren't able to get something, even if it's just your legal fees paid.

Good luck, sorry to hear about the accident.

I was under the impression that fuel/gas pumps were pressure sensitive, and as such, stop when the tank is getting full. Ahh ok, could be? Ill have to do some reading up on this now.

*edit: quick readup. Youre right*



Near the tip of the nozzle is a small hole, and a small pipe leads back from the hole into the handle. Suction is applied to this pipe using a venturi. When the tank is not full, air is being drawn through the hole by the vacuum, and the air flows easily. When gasoline in the tank rises high enough to block the hole, a mechanical linkage in the handle senses the change in suction and flips the nozzle off.
So with that said, the Servo does have an obligation to make sure their pumps are working right. If the pump is fine than its a problem with your tank.

Thanks fellas as I said I don't know if it was their fault but I don't think that he knew either thats what gave me the ****es.I am thinking a bit from the pump didn't disengage maybe :doubt:

Thanks fellas as I said I don't know if it was their fault but I don't think that he knew either thats what gave me the ****es.I am thinking a bit from the pump didn't disengage maybe :doubt:

If the pump clicked/stopped before the accident, it'll be very hard to get any sort of successful result, as that's the basic warning for the tank being/getting full.

If however, the tank failed to click/stop and kept filling until the gas was at a level, greater than the tanks threshold (thus the spilling), you'll definitely have a nice argument on your hands. Biggest problem, is proving it failed to stop.

If I were your solicitor, I'd be asking you a few preliminary questions, such as:

Is your wife competent to fill a vehicle's LPG tank or was this perhaps her first or second attempt at it?

Was she aware that the pump clicked/stopped as a warning that the tank was filled to a safe level? If so, had she been listening to a personal audio devise at the time or perhaps the car stereo was turned-up, sub booming in the boot. Or maybe there was just lots of loud ambient noise from the surroundings, that may have impaired her hearing? And, if her hearing was not impaired, did she, in fact, hear a click and/or, did the pump stop? What did she do next?

Had you or she had similar problems in the past and if so, have you had any inspections or repair work carried-out? If yes to the first part and no to the second; then, why not?

The point is that if you can demonstrate to a solicitor that you and your wife are completely blameless as regards the accident (with corroboration, if possible), you will be considered more seriously (meaning $$$ for them) as a perspective client.

The rest of it, the hard part, is the forensic stuff you and your solicitor will have to sort-out to prove 'someone else' was to blame and your wife, therefore, deserves compensation for their negligence.

Hope this helps and Good Luck with the claim if you proceed.

Cheers,
VR-X II

Did she overfill the lpg tank? your only suppose to fill them 80% of the way arnt you.

Okay do the following:

Above all talk to your solicitor. But also do this:

1. Talk to the station officer from the CFA who attended. You mentioned he said that the pressure value on the pump? was defective. Get him to write a statement.

2. Consider whether any video footage is available from the service station. Unfortunatley you'll probably have to wrok quickly here, and it's doubtful the service station will just hand it over, you'll probably need a court order to get to it, which means you'll have to proove there is a suspcision that the pump was defective. See my point one.

3. Talk to the manager of the petrol station or, if not franchised, the head office, be polite, just state the facts, don't get stuck into them, never minding whether its your wife's fault or the service station for being negligent in the service of their pumps, the petrol station must record the details of the incident that happened. They should also be able to tell you who their insurance agent is.

4. Get photo's of your wifes burnt hands, preferably with a 35mm film camera.

where exactly was the gas coming from. If i read your post right they turned off the valve in your boot which stopped it, did i read that right. But turning off there pump did nothing.
hmmmm. sounds like a problem with your car maybe. Please correct me if i read it wrong

With all modern gas systems you can't fill them past 80%. And not only can you hear the click once the tank has been filled, you can feel it through the trigger.

where exactly was the gas coming from. If i read your post right they turned off the valve in your boot which stopped it, did i read that right. But turning off there pump did nothing.
hmmmm. sounds like a problem with your car maybe. Please correct me if i read it wrong
no thats about right.thanks to all for your help we just want to get medical and time off work covered.Still havent spoken to the insurance am getting the car looked at today thanks again to all :D martin

...Anyways I had to take the wife to the burns unit at the alfred the next day.Blisters hands now in bandages.
Was this fire burns or freeze burns? :shock:

Should be chemical burns

LPG don't do chemical burns; chemically its the same as any petroleum product.
It'll be the same as sticking your hand into a bucket of petrol - it don't kill my skin.

But LPG is a liquified gas under high pressure which when introduced to
atmospheric pressure, its resultant expansion makes it very very cold.
Like playing with liquid nitrogen.


Considering the wife/car/servo still exists... I'm betting it wasn't a fire burn.

(Those fires are pretty darned SPECTACULAR!)

Hey Buddy,
I'm second year law so here's my 2 bobs.
Atm the legal system is overblown with civil (Torts) Claims so it will be a while b4 u even get to court. It would be a good idea to settle outside court with insurance.
Mate my uncle just finally got a settlement with colesmyer 4 only 1g more than medical and he recieceved this money just the other day however the incident was in 1998 so a good 7 years these companies aint short of a bob so mate really try to settle outside of court. Its just a much to draw out process and by the time u get dosh 4 medical and work the bank could have already repossed your house if u know what im meanin.
Cheers

when lpg hits atmosphere its -40 deg thats why it burns if the tank filler on the car was fulty it would release a bit of lpg ....it sounds like it was the bouser they are allways faulty ive been caught about 9 times with one that wont work properly.

LPG don't do chemical burns; chemically its the same as any petroleum product.
It'll be the same as sticking your hand into a bucket of petrol - it don't kill my skin.


Actually it does cause chemical burns (petrol).

Petrol vapour can also give rise to acute or chronic health problems if inhaled. Even at concentrations as low as 500-1000 parts per million, it can cause headaches, nausea, dizziness, mental confusion and irritation of the respiratory tract. Prolonged exposure may result in loss of consciousness and damage to the nervous system. When it comes into contact with the skin, petrol can cause dermatitis, and prolonged exposure may result in chemical burns.

The actual Freeze burn your describing is the chemical reaction of the LPG reaching ambient temperature, so even though the secondary burn is a straight out chemical burn, the actual reaction to cause "freeze burns" is a reaction of a chemical

The actual Freeze burn your describing is the chemical reaction of the LPG reaching ambient temperature, so even though the secondary burn is a straight out chemical burn, the actual reaction to cause "freeze burns" is a reaction of a chemical

It's actually a physical reaction not a chemical reaction. It's the same chemical before and after, just at a different temperature and pressure.

The hospital(alfred burns unit)said it was similar to frost bite but Her hand was blistered like very bad sunburn.They said that the nerves are still all intact(unlike say an oil burn when they are killed off.That is why burns victims like McCartney often don't feel too much pain)she is in a fair amount of pain because of this.Blister reformed bout 6 hours after the hospital cut them off. :cry: Thanks again all for your help.The wifes reacons youre a good bunch . Cheers people :D

Used to be able to tell the colour of petrol from the smell.
But here in Oz, think I ain't the expert on petrol sniffing... :badgrin:


Freezeburn from liquified gas evaporating will freeze the cells in your skin until they pop
when the water in them freezes. The dead skin and the white blood cells released
forms the 'scab'.

Luckily freezeburn skin injuries are usually very clean and the surrounding gets sterilised too,
unlike say fire or roadrash where lots of crap gets into your injured flesh and dirties it
(there's huge chance of getting a serious bacterial infection).


(We used to get endless supply of liquid nitrogen from the uni... so ahem err. :redface: )



If your wife has pale skin, skin should heal 99% without scarring.
If she's real dark then there's higher chance of forming keloids.

Hope she gets better soon.

sorry to hear about your wifes injuries, put some long sleve gardening or welding gloves in the car for her so next time it happens at least it won't injure her.
I have seen that happen before, ironically it was a Victorian Gas and Fuel Corp express van. It can be caused by a bit of dirt etc getting under the spring loaded ball valve in the fill port this stops it from closing properly. LPG fill ports should have a screw on dust cap with "o" ring and be clear of any dirt or moisture. Also inspect the flat rubber seal on the fill port before every fill.

Thanks to all.We got $1800 from thier insurance comp after a lot of persistence and what was an ambit claim of $3000 . My Wife has said that she will never fill up with gas again.Her hands have come bout 95% good.Thank you one and all once again

Well, stuff that im sticking with normal petrol.

Thanks to all.We got $1800 from thier insurance comp after a lot of persistence and what was an ambit claim of $3000 . My Wife has said that she will never fill up with gas again.Her hands have come bout 95% good.Thank you one and all once again
So what turned out to be the problem?

No one knows