Hey, just got a city discount tyres catalogue, advertising 235/45 R 17 on sale. Brand 1: Firenza ST-03 for $165. Brand 2: Regal Tyres RD-3100 for $169. To suit 17" VRX rims

Anyone heard of these brands before? would these be worth getting?

would these be worth getting?
No. Voids your insurance.

No. Voids your insurance.


I hear this all the time, and have even told some tyre places and they GNFI, has this ever actually happened to anyone, and are the insurance assesors aware of this? Ie if you were in an accident would they check the tyre size?

No. Voids your insurance.

Why?

Not that I don't believe you, but whats iffy about the size (I know nothing about tires).

I hear this all the time, and have even told some tyre places and they GNFI, has this ever actually happened to anyone, and are the insurance assesors aware of this? Ie if you were in an accident would they check the tyre size?
Of course they don't. Most tyre places are there to make sales. Not many follow the guidelines 100%.

The people in insurance call centres know stuff all so you have to ask one of their technical people. Oh, I'm sure an assessor would be aware of this, I mean, it's their job to find a way out of making a payout. Where there's a will, there's a way. Where there's an escape route, an insurer will take it. If it's a minor thing, they probably won't look at it close enough. If there's evidence that the tyres contributed to a fatality, you can bet that they'll look for a way to void their cover and you might even get charged for the death.


Why?

Not that I don't believe you, but whats iffy about the size (I know nothing about tires).
235/45R17's are not appropriate to be fitted to 7' wide rims. Yes they fit fine, no they are not legal. 225/50R17's are the widest. Why do you think Mitsubishi dropped the load rating on the tire placards for some TJ's? It was to make it legal to fit certain tyres to their VR-X. Try finding a 225/50R17 with a load rating of 95 or higher. There is only one and they aren't contracted to MMAL to supply tyres.

Why?

Not that I don't believe you, but whats iffy about the size (I know nothing about tires).
Because the tyres in question have a wider surface than the Mag wheel, which can cause rolling on the tyre.

Usually 1cm is ok, but Insurance companies are pretty tight on this.

Because the tyres in question have a wider surface than the Mag wheel, which can cause rolling on the tyre.

Usually 1cm is ok, but Insurance companies are pretty tight on this.

Where abouts did you find this out in the first post? Like, what gave it away.

I'm looking at buying rims for my TF Sedan, and want to be careful not to risk my insurance or defects.

I know I want 18"... (currently 16), and I know I need a load rating of 95+... that's about it?

Any help?

Thanks.

Rim width for a VRX is 7"

A 225 profile tyre is the correct width.

235 is wider still and more suited to a 7.5" - 8.0" rim.

apart from the legal issues, hypethetically (SP?) if I were to go ahead with the purchase, any one heard of these brand of tyres before? good or bad or never heard of?

17*7 rims are not recommended for 235/45 tyres. Check the actual tyre...most of them will have a min. rim width on them. 17*8 is the recommended rim width for 235/45 tyres. Just go check out some tyre places if you're in doubt...they should have a chart that lists the various sizes and legal rim widths.

Wish i could get tyres for $165.. Mine are $300 a pop mates rates.. and for cheap and nastys.. :cry: :cry:

I so happen to have a book like that at my disposal. And have a look at a hsv lookalike they run 17x7 with 235/45/17 even some cop cars on the factory steel rims(15x7) use 235.55.15

Yes a 225 does fit better but a 235 will still fit and legally aswell


Only if speed and load rating comply.. :D

Only if speed and load rating comply.. :D


exactly

I so happen to have a book like that at my disposal. And have a look at a hsv lookalike they run 17x7 with 235/45/17 even some cop cars on the factory steel rims(15x7) use 235.55.15

Yes a 225 does fit better but a 235 will still fit and legally aswell

Only if speed and load rating comply.. :D
Wrong. Go look at the Tyre and Rim Association Handbook and tell us whether a 235/45R17 is legally fitable to a 17 x 7.

Wrong. Go look at the Tyre and Rim Association Handbook and tell us whether a 235/45R17 is legally fitable to a 17 x 7.


So how do Holden get away with 235/45`s on there 17x7`s..??

So how do Holden get away with 235/45`s on there 17x7`s..??
Are you sure they're not 7.5's? Holdens have just as many issues with legally matching tyres and rims as we do our cars. Several tyre places have commented on this. Most of them ignore what the handbooks says. I'd like to know this too. When MMAL couldn't supply TE or TF's with the regular 95 load rated tyres due to a tyre shortage, they used 94 load rated tyres and changed the tyre placard. They had to observe the legalities and I'm sure that Holden would too. It would be interesting to see.

Are you sure they're not 7.5's? Holdens have just as many issues with legally matching tyres and rims as we do our cars. Several tyre places have commented on this. Most of them ignore what the handbooks says. I'd like to know this too. When MMAL couldn't supply TE or TF's with the regular 95 load rated tyres due to a tyre shortage, they used 94 load rated tyres and changed the tyre placard. They had to observe the legalities and I'm sure that Holden would too. It would be interesting to see.


All the new ones now are 17x8.. the past models have all been 17x7... :confused:

So this means that the tyre fitting places would be liable (legally) for fitting a tyre which cannot be fitted (legally) to a 17" VRX rim, if you were in an accident and your insurer voided your cover due to illegaly fitted tyres, is this correct? :nuts:

So this means that the tyre fitting places would be liable (legally) for fitting a tyre which cannot be fitted (legally) to a 17" VRX rim, if you were in an accident and your insurer voided your cover due to illegaly fitted tyres, is this correct? :nuts:

They wont care who fitted it.. they will just not pay ur claim..

They wont care who fitted it.. they will just not pay ur claim..

Thats what I thought, and I bet you would have buckleys takin the tyre fitting place to court.

Morale of the story i suppose is its not worth saving a couple of $ to get cheaper tyres which legally dont fit :confused: :disgusted

Morale of the story i suppose is its not worth saving a couple of $ to get cheaper tyres which legally dont fit :confused: :disgusted
Yup. Have a chat to Killer about it. He didn't get to that point however he had an episode with the ACCC or some body like that regarding illegal tyre fitment by a popular rim and tyre mob.

I will point out that my car doesn't comply either. At the time I had no choice or wasn't aware of of the Hankook tyres. I've now got Hankook 225/50R17's on the front which are 98Y's. On the rear I have a Falken 225/50R17 94? and a Falken 235/45R17 97?. I'll be fixing the rear when I can. Only did the fronts due to cash flow constraints and I'd popped a tyre avoiding a motorist who felt their registration fees meant they owned all 7m of the road formation. :rant:

Yup. Have a chat to Killer about it. He didn't get to that point however he had an episode with the ACCC or some body like that regarding illegal tyre fitment by a popular rim and tyre mob.

I will point out that my car doesn't comply either. At the time I had no choice or wasn't aware of of the Hankook tyres. I've now got Hankook 225/50R17's on the front which are 98Y's. On the rear I have a Falken 225/50R17 94? and a Falken 235/45R17 97?. I'll be fixing the rear when I can. Only did the fronts due to cash flow constraints and I'd popped a tyre avoiding a motorist who felt their registration fees meant they owned all 7m of the road formation. :rant:



just out of curiosity why did you go the 225/50/17 and not a 225/45/17

just out of curiosity why did you go the 225/50/17 and not a 225/45/17
Because that's the wrong ratio.

So how do Holden get away with 235/45`s on there 17x7`s..??
Turns out they never had 17 x 7's. They have 17 x 8's. I didn't look into Ford etc, I'm sure it's the same. Bain, what dimensions are your wheels?

I don't know how Holden and Ford can fit them??? 17 * 235/45 tyres are supposed to be illegal on a 17 * 7" rim in Australia. They'll fit, but they are not legal.

Also, I don't understand why you'd want to? :nuts: You'd get a lot of flex in the tyre wall during cornering, 'cause the tyre would stick out over the rim quite a bit.

But, back on topic...one of the guys here has Regal tyres on his Falcon and he reckons to steer clear of them...they are the biggest pile of crap ever made. Of course, that's just his opinion!!!

I don't know how Holden and Ford can fit them??? 17 * 235/45 tyres are supposed to be illegal on a 17 * 7" rim in Australia. They'll fit, but they are not legal.

Also, I don't understand why you'd want to? :nuts: You'd get a lot of flex in the tyre wall during cornering, 'cause the tyre would stick out over the rim quite a bit.

But, back on topic...one of the guys here has Regal tyres on his Falcon and he reckons to steer clear of them...they are the biggest pile of crap ever made. Of course, that's just his opinion!!!

I run 235/45/R17 on a 7" wide wheel and there is no overhang issue at all. That is with 2 brands of tyres, both Michelin + Falken. You just have to buy tyres that have a flat sidewall instead of the ugly bulged convex ones.

I don't know how Holden and Ford can fit them??? 17 * 235/45 tyres are supposed to be illegal on a 17 * 7" rim in Australia. They'll fit, but they are not legal.


Its been covered above, they use 17 x 8" rims.

I run 235/45/R17 on a 7" wide wheel and there is no overhang issue at all. That is with 2 brands of tyres, both Michelin + Falken. You just have to buy tyres that have a flat sidewall instead of the ugly bulged convex ones.
Yeah, that's what I had. Falken ZE-512's. Nice and sticky in the dry, noticeably sticker than the Hankook 225/50's I have now but at least they're legal. What Falken's are you using? What are their semi-track tyres? Do they have dedicated drag or track tyres?

what width wheel is the ralliart wheel and what size tyre do they come with from the factory

what width wheel is the ralliart wheel and what size tyre do they come with from the factory

17 x 7". Comes standard with 225/50 P6000 rubbers.

17 x 7". Comes standard with 225/50 P6000 rubbers.


cheers. def going to have a word to the tyre shop that sold me my tyres 225/40/18's, meant to have the same rolling diameter as a 205/65/15

apart from the legal issues, hypethetically (SP?) if I were to go ahead with the purchase, any one heard of these brand of tyres before? good or bad or never heard of?

Do not go Regal's
i have them on my car currently and they are ****.
NANKANG's all the way baby

Turns out they never had 17 x 7's. They have 17 x 8's. I didn't look into Ford etc, I'm sure it's the same. Bain, what dimensions are your wheels?


My VT SS wheels where 17x7.. :confused:

My VT SS wheels where 17x7.. :confused:
I would very much doubt that.

Commodore VT SS (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=19980209.1 3:36:37&sort_type=&current_rec=19&make_name=HOLDEN&model_name=COMMODORE&keyword=SS)


Rim material Alloy
Front tyre description 235/45 R17 93V
Rear tyre description 235/45 R17 93V
Front rim description 8.0Jx17
Rear rim description 8.0Jx17


Commodore VT II SS (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=20001207.1 0:53:03&sort_type=&current_rec=17&make_name=HOLDEN&model_name=COMMODORE&keyword=SS)


Rim material Alloy
Rear tyre description 235/45 R17 93V
Front tyre description 235/45 R17 93V
Front rim description 8.0Jx17
Rear rim description 8.0Jx17


And I've checked with several SS owners.

u are a book of knowledge.. lol

u are prob right.. Ill check it out.. i always thought 7.0JJ :confused:

u are a book of knowledge.. lol
I wouldn't say that and websites are known to be wrong. Generally speaking however I've found Carsales fairly good.


u are prob right.. Ill check it out.. i always thought 7.0JJ :confused:
Ta, have a look. Usually an owner does know what they have. It would have surprised me if you didn't. Let us know.

Yeah, over a year ago. I had a case with a tyre company cos they sold me first 17*8 with 93 loads. And I relied on their "professionalism". Had to take the case to Fair Trading and I won of course - they were found negligent and had to pay my demand and all fees. Dunno if they learnt anything or did they just curse me as a little whinger....

Currently using 235/45 load 97 Toyo TPGs - nice tyres. And non-rounded side walls....
Yeah, not 100% legal - but.... I'll be looking at 225/50 as next set, hopefully the selection gets better.

Still happy with your Hankooks Bro Redav? Cost?




Yup. Have a chat to Killer about it. He didn't get to that point however he had an episode with the ACCC or some body like that regarding illegal tyre fitment by a popular rim and tyre mob.

I will point out that my car doesn't comply either. At the time I had no choice or wasn't aware of of the Hankook tyres. I've now got Hankook 225/50R17's on the front which are 98Y's. On the rear I have a Falken 225/50R17 94? and a Falken 235/45R17 97?. I'll be fixing the rear when I can. Only did the fronts due to cash flow constraints and I'd popped a tyre avoiding a motorist who felt their registration fees meant they owned all 7m of the road formation. :rant: