Need a quick bit of help overnite...well b4 tomoro morn

i had planned to have some gear installed in my car today. Basically, eclipse base model 6x9's (stock ones ****e imho, just for the rear passengers), and a new RF 2502 punch amp running the two 10" Clarion DVC subs i bought off a member here.

Well, the subs voice coils are rooted, and i doubt the member in question is going to be very helpful.
I listen to mainly trance, bit of techno, and a bit of everything else.

Went into pick my car up tonite (unfinished) and to discuss where to go from here. The bloke told me that a 12" would be best, rather than two 10", (12" DVC Alpine S type i believe he was planning on). I have no idea, what dyas reckon. Can anyone recommend a good sub around this price mark? im after reasonable quality and not huge bass. Im only looking at around 180-220 mark, he will do me the s type for 189.

ANy help??

Cheers

Well, I agree that 1 12" subwoofer is the best way to go, rather than 2 10" subwoofers. I'm not a real big fan of Alpine, though many people here are so get a few opinions before jumping on board with the Alpine subwoofer.

i had heard on hear 10s were better for techno, but im more a trance, sorta...atb or tiesto style of music, rather than hardcore techno stuf...i spose more melodic trancey gear

Some would say 2 10s are better for techno, but I'd still tap out money for 1 12"...I've heard techno being played on 2x10" before, sounds fine, but i still think the 12" has the overall edge..as I said before, plenty of others will bring out their opinion on it.

Thats a pretty good price.
Im personally not a fan of Alpine speakers or subs, they aren't a bad sub, there's just better subs out there. But for that price range u cant go wrong. Obviously there are better options, but it all comes down to how much u wanna spend

Sucks bout the Clarions.
The box will be important for the Type S. Sealed will sacrifice output, but will sound more controlled.
Ported will be a bit boomy and will be louder.

For 1 x 12 either option has its benefits.

cheers guys
i definitly lean more towards sq rather than spl, and i really dont like outside rattles or it being too noticeable outside the car.
so for a low end system, the s-type should be ok? like, im not spending huge bucks here, just enough to get some more bass behind me.

I have Two 12 inch Ported Subs and they handle Bass from Trance like ATB,Nick Skitz and Gods Kitchen just fine..


As for a 12 inch sub, sealed is going to be a better alternative then ported.
If you listen to R&B I would recommend any Pioneer 12 inch sub in a Ported enclosure as the Newer Pioneers are very Low Bass Friendly..

For Trance, See if you can afford to get a VIBE Black Air 12 inch or a Eclipse 123.4 12 inch sub as both of these offer tight response in sealed enclosures..

If Money is a Major Concern, Look at the Entry Level Pioneer Carbon fibre look 12inch Or at Clarions newer series of Subs as I have heard that on a Budget they cannot be overlooked..
Jaycar also offer some good Budget 12 inch subs in their Venom and Response lines..

If you are looking for a Trick looking install, try and Track down a JVC Strobocone in 12 inch.. I have used the 10 inch and its Punch is great for the money,reliability and constant pounding may see them die prematurely when compared to others but are worth it just for the Blue Strobocone at night..

have you got a rough idea on what the vibe or eclipse subs are worth?

I was told that 10" were better from techno/trance music. SInce i listen to that stuff also, i will stick to 2 x 10". I dont want to go too big in power or anything. Just something that sounds better than stock. lol

in Generic Terms , yes 10's have a Quicker response time when shoved into a generic enclosure but a well Tuned 12 inch will be a better allround performer..

Thats all alot of bull****, it all depends on the quality of the sub.

A good 15" sub will out perform a crappy $200 10" sub in every aspect every day of the week.

Thats all alot of bull****, it all depends on the quality of the sub.

A good 15" sub will out perform a crappy $200 10" sub in every aspect every day of the week.

As I stated.. Generic Terms.. that means in General...

There are variations to the rule..

Lets get Two High quality sub woofers, 0ne 10 inch and one 15 inch
We whack the 10 incher into a Well designed and well tuned enclosure and just slam the 15 inch into a leaky free- air setup... Which one will perform better Ascension??

There are several Factors involved.
Installation, Power provided and Signal strength

10's have a Quicker response time when shoved into a generic enclosure..
What response time? Does this mean by then end of the song the sub will be catching up a few seconds?

The main difference between a 15 and a 10 is the 15 will generally have better low end extension, and will also have a higher moving mass.

It needs an amp with enough power to control the moving mass. The problem with this has nothing to do with the subs being slow. more the fact that the 15" will be very boomy and can also seem loose compared to the 10". (Due to this control issue) You need a good front stage to match the output. Generally 15" subs should equate to minimum 7" drivers up front. But theres no reason why a 15 cant sound good.
The extra low end extension will always be better, you just need to realise that you need the right speakers to get that deep mid bass to help blend the mid and sub.

Overall it is irrelevent comparing the size of a sub and making any generalisations about 10" sounds better etc etc. It is all about the QUALITY of the sub.

Peace

Tim

I got :owned:

Time for me to get over it... done

I got :owned:

Good call... I'll pay that :cool:

Peace

Tim

Overall it is irrelevent comparing the size of a sub and making any generalisations about 10" sounds better etc etc. It is all about the QUALITY of the sub.


If three subwoofers were created as equal as eachother in terms of quality; however, one was 10", another was a 12" and the other a 15", which would you purchase?

I personally would go for the 12 as it stands. (using a 6" midbass driver up front)

But If I had larger drivers up front, like a 8" midbass 3" mid and tweets. I would go the 15". (or at least put some serious thought into it)

The Top SQ cars use 15's as they have the goods upfront to keep up.

edit: But after saying that I've seen people compete with 10's, most of the people with kickass systems have 12's (some have a single 12). (Angelo Kanci uses 2 15's ~$100,000 total cost for his system)

You become more and more helpful with every post s_tim_ulate. Always have a reason, and explain it fantastically. Much appreciated

Glad to help... I learn more the more questions I answer... :P

If three subwoofers were created as equal as eachother in terms of quality; however, one was 10", another was a 12" and the other a 15", which would you purchase?

That would all depend on my car and what kinda sound i was chasing... As Tim said the size isnt the important thing its the CONTROL over that cone area... everyone has to compromise on something and as impressive as a great 15 can be when set up right (and with the right amping) the box it would need is way to great a sacrifice for any CAR i'll ever own (now if i had a recording studio...)

Its also worth remembering that to get equivalent levels of quality as your drivers get larger all your cost will increase exponentially... cost of drivers themselves will go up, you have to spend more on amps and yor materials cost for boxes climbs too.

Ive found in general a single 12 in a sealed bow with a nice clean amp driving it can generally offer the best compromise...but im not a total BASS JUNKIE / SPL freak

If three subwoofers were created as equal as eachother in terms of quality; however, one was 10", another was a 12" and the other a 15", which would you purchase?

A 12inch cause the 10's i just dont like and output may not be enough for me and wont play as low as the Fz and -3db point will be higher than the others ( if they are say from the same series ), the 15inch will have a box that is to big and will need more power and a much better quality amp to control its cone properly. Im so fussy. :D

Well my Boston G5 is a 12inch and now it is running off the Audison :bowrofl: it sounds as punchy as any sealed 10inch sub and is as quick as any 6x9's ( i remembering someone saying that all subs have a delay that cant be fixed without time correction :nuts: ) but with the extension ( 3inch excursion :shock: ) of a 15inch, all from a 1cuft sealed box. Thats what im thinking of for the above question :D

Heheh, when's the next CAASQ, I'm hoping to come. I think it's on September 11th so I'll probably say goodbye to the V8 Supercars and check out your stereo, and all the others.

But if installation is poor all will sound crap..

Heh, I think most will agree with that. It's amazing how people go out and buy $500 fronts but run their entire system off poor cabling, stupid speaker positions and what not.

Quality of the Installation is just as important as the quality of Sub choosen..

Now to lose all credibility...
... MY first ever system (In my trusty old HJ Statesman) consisted of Jaycar 6.5in kickpanel mounted (custom no less!) High end (err apparently!) coaxials (wth the adjustable tweets!), 6.5in carbon fibre woofers low passed in the parcel shelf and 2 10in MARATHON subs in a BIG old sealed box in my GIGAntic boot...


...definately not the last word on SQ but as a 17 yo it gave me all the boom i needed! and it all ran off a pathetic pissy lil pioneer amp!

Quality of the Installation is just as important as the quality of Sub choosen..
A Superbly installed $100 Sub will sound far better then a $1000 Sub left lying on the Boot of the Car..

Quality of the Installation is just as important as the quality of Sub choosen..

Heh, speaking of which, I really want to get some Audison cabling. I really need to reduce road noise, starting to really bug me.

A Superbly installed $100 Sub will sound far better then a $1000 Sub left lying on the Boot of the Car..

...I dunno about that :P I think I'd rather no sub at all if it only cost me $100 :P It'd have to be one of those shocking subwoofers that JB HiFi claim as the best SPL subs around...hahaha, i gotta stop dissing JB :\

Heheh, when's the next CAASQ, I'm hoping to come. I think it's on September 11th so I'll probably say goodbye to the V8 Supercars and check out your stereo, and all the others.
Yep next Sunday... I was meant to be booked in for some RTA time to tune the response this arvo, but got tied up finishing projects last minute.

Hopefully get some time to tune next week.

Come down any time during the day and have a squiz around.

Its at Brunswick at hectic, just check before you go as it has a habit of being postponed

Now to lose all credibility...
... MY first ever system (In my trusty old HJ Statesman) consisted of Jaycar 6.5in kickpanel mounted (custom no less!) High end (err apparently!) coaxials (wth the adjustable tweets!), 6.5in carbon fibre woofers low passed in the parcel shelf and 2 10in MARATHON subs in a BIG old sealed box in my GIGAntic boot...


...definately not the last word on SQ but as a 17 yo it gave me all the boom i needed! and it all ran off a pathetic pissy lil pioneer amp!


I think I can beat you.. My First system I ever installed ran 16 2 inch PC Speakers off a 4x7Watt Cassette deck with a Pair of Sound barrier 6x9's on the Back shelf.. My Door Skins were custom built to hold the 8 2 inch speakers so my front end was incredible annoying but looked trick... The Tape deck lasted 9 months...

I was young and foolish...but my install was the shiz back in 1994
before any of my friends started to get serious.. None of us could afford Subs and Amps with no jobs...

Yeah I hope to get down, I gotta get my car tinted the day before so if that all goes to plan, without getting pulled up for illegal tint I should make it, haha ;-) Knowing my luck, soon as I leave the tint place I'll get pulled over. Which reminds me of when Death in Family Guy is drunk, and crashes straight into the police vehicle. You know what I'm talking about :-)