So, after going into pedders for another quote, the dude told me that they 1) don't stock king springs, and 2) that super low kings are illegal... and gave me a price on peders springs, and we measured how low it'd drop it, and it looked about the same height as what ive seen magna's with superlows...

i'm so confused :| should i get pedders springs? or get someone to install kings?

try going to a place that fits kings, they propably tell you that pedders are illegal. lol

Not sure specifically, but on the kings product list it says,

"Super Low Sports springs lower vehicle approximately 50-60mm below standard height.
Kings Super Low Sports Replacement Coil Spring Range is designed primarily for cosmetic enhancement (show cars etc). These parts may therefore render your vehicle illegal for use on public roads."

They might therefore be illegal, but they'll sell them to you anyway. Sounds like they just want to flog their wears... :D

so my next problem is finding a respective place that sells them in east melbourne? i drove from lilydale to mitchham looking for places (i'd rather waste petrol than get out the yellow pages) and couldnt find much.. who do you guys reccomend? mostplaces i went to said the same thing "go to pedders, they're the experts"

well superlow is definately illegal. depending on the car, King Low is not too bad and with ride height you will have have to do a search. there is a thread somewhere that list what people has. Also the same spring will fit from TE-TJ, but ride height is different. I think it's lower on the TJ and TL.

we can do them $245 delivered for the 2 pairs.

Yeah, I would rather buy from you guys, but then I have to find somewhere to install them aswell, and get shocks, wheel alignment, etc. etc. i need a one stop shop :P

yeah I know, sorry I can only iinstall for SA people. but I do find a lot of people who do them themselves or get a mate to help out. Most people (if know what to do) love to work on their own car. It's a very rewarding experience and I often get people to give me a hand while I am installing so they can learn also.

suspension city. they are located in north melbourne. They do great work and are competitively priced. superlows arent illegal on magnas from what ive understood of the laws about lowering your car.

so my next problem is finding a respective place that sells them in east melbourne? i drove from lilydale to mitchham looking for places (i'd rather waste petrol than get out the yellow pages) and couldnt find much.. who do you guys reccomend? mostplaces i went to said the same thing "go to pedders, they're the experts"

try the tyre factory, they are all over the place and cheap too.

the only time the springs will make your car illegal is if it sits lower then 100mm fully loaded

ive had this from a pedders retailer before lol in my old pulsar i got them to do a 40 point inspection on the thing and they told me my springs and shocks were rooted and suggest i replace them very soon because it could cause an accident.........
the funny thing was i just installed the kings springs and munroe shocks just 2 weeks before hand....
so you could imagine how impressed i was with the pedders blokes i told them to get my car out of the workshop and told them they were a bunch of wanks who thought they could swindle people out of cash
and i was going to report them to the consumer affairs office.....
you should have seen there faces fall to the floor it was amazing but i didnt report them because i felt sorry for how pethetic they were.lol



anyway to answer your question ask rhino from performance auto tech in west heidleberg a call and he can do it for you or he will prob call me in to do it lol and we can run it down and get it all wheel alinged for yah hows that drop it off and in the arvo all dropped for you.

hahaahh DONT GO NEAR THE TYRE FACTORY (AKA CHOP FACTORY)


go to www.buyitdirect.com.au if u want quality work !




#edit, springs are illegal in victoria if u go lower then 1/3 of your original height.

hahaahh DONT GO NEAR THE TYRE FACTORY (AKA CHOP FACTORY)



go to www.buyitdirect.com.au (http://www.buyitdirect.com.au/) if u want quality work !


#edit, springs are illegal in victoria if u go lower then 1/3 of your original height.

lol there only illegal if someone catches you hehehe

After looking at your Profile and seeing that your car, apparantly, has no mods what-so-ever - personally, I'd be looking to spend money first on performance mods rather than on the US (totally useless) homie, pimp, as*-draggin'-on-deground' look.

Once you've got your power sorted-out, then think about what spring/shock combination you need to help get the power to the ground.

VR-X II

After looking at your Profile and seeing that your car, apparantly, has no mods what-so-ever - personally, I'd be looking to spend money first on performance mods rather than on the US (totally useless) homie, pimp, as*-draggin'-on-deground' look.

Once you've got your power sorted-out, then think about what spring/shock combination you need to help get the power to the ground.

VR-X II
Insurance wont allow me to mod the engine... that's where the problem lies.
I can have 1 "performance" mod, included in that is wheels and suspension. Thus I have come to the conclusion that lowering my car will be the most effective mod I can do at this pont, increasing handling - if only ever so slightly -and improving the look. And when My insurance allows me to do more, or i change insurance companies, then we'll see what happens.

Thats for the advice guys, keep it coming.. i'll check these places out.

try the tyre factory, they are all over the place and cheap too.
Yeah, one of their workshops could have cost me my life!!! :rant:

It's not cool to have a section of tyre the size of the flat of your hand fly off when you are doing 100km/h... I guess when I asked for cheaper tyres they should have told me that they were re-treads... I had no idea... I nearly flew off the side of the road when it went BANG!... they replaced it and the others pretty damn quick!! with cheap non re-treads... (I was younger and had little money at the time.)

Yeah, one of their workshops could have cost me my life!!! :rant:

It's not cool to have a section of tyre the size of the flat of your hand fly off when you are doing 100km/h... I guess when I asked for cheaper tyres they should have told me that they were re-treads... I had no idea... I nearly flew off the side of the road when it went BANG!... they replaced it and the others pretty damn quick!! with cheap non re-treads... (I was younger and had little money at the time.)should have slapped him in the head with the peice that fell of neil lol

should have slapped him in the head with the peice that fell of neil lol
I should have made him eat it!!! lol

the only time the springs will make your car illegal is if it sits lower then 100mm fully loaded
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The laws state that a car can be lowered no more then a third of its original travel and no closer then 100mm from the ground at its lowest fixed point, and the spring must stay captive. supalows drop the cars by 60mm. So if you do the maths that a total of 180mm travel if the magna has a 180mm of travel when the car has 5 peeps weighing 60kg and 1/2 tank of fuel, Then supalows will be legal. But i dont see a magna having that much travel.

Thats how its written in qld law and some of the other states. So yeah Anthony's spot on the money they are illegal. Been done enough times and had transport read me the rules enough times.

also on another note, its better to get the car handling and stopping well before making it go fast. Thats just plain common sense, no point going fast if u cant turn or stop when you get to a corner

My insurance told me they would only insure me if the car was lowered within manufacturers specs, and to get the specs from Road Transport.
With the specs Road Transport told me, I can really only go Kings Lows. If I went SuperLows, I would have to go to JustCar for insurance.

i have never been bothered by the transport dep never in my 14 yrs of driving have i been pulled over by them by cops i dont care to remember how many time lol but all the cops have ever worried about is the 100mm clearance and not the travell

even when i lived on the gold coast and we used to alway get busted dragging up at molindiner industrial estate behind the quix near nerang we used to get blocked in some nights close to two hundred car yes 200.

queensland transport used to put everyone over the shaker machine and do roadworthies on all of us ( one night it took 4 hrs to get out and there was still 80 or so cars behind me)

and all they ever cared about was the clearance, i dont know what there like now because im in melb now but to the point majority only worrie about ride height not travell.

/old timers rant.

also on another note, its better to get the car handling and stopping well before making it go fast. Thats just plain common sense, no point going fast if u cant turn or stop when you get to a corner Ageed, if you want that kind of handling get a Dodge Viper. Quick as f*** in a straight line. But then try stopping and turning the mongerl.

Remember that Veradas sit about 10mm lower then an Exec/Altera with the same springs. Trust me, I bottomed out a brand new Verada that we had just had Pedders lower going down the driveway at Rolfe Mitsubishi in Canberra. Personally I would never touch Pedders, I don't know anyone who would, and I feel that superlows are a bit too low for a daily driven Magna, more so for a Verada.

Im not worried about Road Transport, but if you have a stack and the insurance company goes over your car they will pick that up as they told me they get the manufacturers specs and go by that, not the 100mm rule of thumb. They then can viod any payments...

I fitted King's Super lows to my old Bomb AND the drop in ride height is noticable but far from what I would call excessive. I was told to expect 45-50mm drop. Depends on where you look at it but over all it aint that low. Certainly lower than standard but not as ridiculous as I have seen. The tyre to guard clearance is still about an inch. The only thing I have bottomed out is the bottom of the mud flaps as I mosey over a speed hump. Other than that, the ride's still good and the handling is much better. They get the thumbs up from me and my insurance company who had no drama comprehensively insuring it with these and all the other mods :D

I have pedders sports ryder in my TH, a fellow taswegian has kings superlows front and and lows rear and our ride heights look the same.

I cannot honestly say that the companies can offer springs with different ride heights?? On my sports ryder I scrape over everything and anything, if kings were any lower, people would be tearing bits of bodywork off here and there and everywhere...obviously they are not, so I must conclude that, there is no significant difference between the two....:confused:

Having not had the privelige of driving my magna on Tassie roads I wouldn't know. BUT, having driven many other cars down there I will say the roads are CRAP it wouldn't matter what you had!!!! :bowrofl:

Having not had the privelige of driving my magna on Tassie roads I wouldn't know. BUT, having driven many other cars down there I will say the roads are CRAP it wouldn't matter what you had!!!! :bowrofl:I'm sorry mate, but your a goddam tool, down in tassie we have some of the best roads anywhere in Australia (ref: Targa Tasmania). Our roads are excellent. Please provide proof of these bad roads you have experienced :flame: I will be interested to hear exactly where these bad roads are that have any relevance to this discussion. When I say I scrape over everything, I am referring to such thing as driveways and speed humps, not general roads??? Hello?? :nuts:

I'm sorry mate, but your a goddam tool, down in tassie we have some of the best roads anywhere in Australia (ref: Targa Tasmania). Our roads are excellent. Please provide proof of these bad roads you have experienced :flame: I will be interested to hear exaxtly where these bad roads are that have any relevance to this discussion. When I say I scrape over everything, I am referring to such thing as driveways and speed humps, not general roads??? Hello?? :nuts:
Pull your head in mate. Did you build em?? didn't think so. Take a cruise down Wellington St (I'm talking up north) How many dips and variations do you get to encounter over a 5 km stretch of raod? Concrete surface, asphelt, bitumen, it's all there.
Head up through Trevallyn or even south Launceston. THEY ARE CRAP!!
FYI I have run in Targa, not that it matters as most days of the week, people don't travel to and from work on these roads with the frequency that the suburban roads get used.

I was there for 10 years cobba, let me qualify what you say and agree that the Targa and country roads are great. As for the rest, sorry dude, perhaps you should join a road crew if you are so passinate about it.

You could probably carpet the place for $1000, why not get some decent roads??? :nuts:

err c'mon guys... Mark the condition of Tasmanian roads shouldn't be worth having a blue over.

:belt: SEE :D

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Oi, you too.

Edit: Oh he's replying

here watch this and go to bed boys lol life's too serious :D

http://daemlich.net/2364

Oi, you too. :redface: MMmmkay

Yes, thankyou neil...I am replying...thankyou for not locking this thread as I have much more to say hehehe :D

The roads around launceston, devonport and trevallyn are not bad...in fact they are quite good. I am happy to run my magna around them...in fact I am happy to drop my magna another 1/2" all round and still drive those roads without problems...

You think those are bad roads...oh dear....ever try driving the tahune forest scenic routes down south?? Those are bad roads???

Whilst I apreciate that you once lived here, I dont think you apreciate what a lowered magna is capable of doing...anyhow, end of discussion....you need a demonstration, drop me an email of a PM and I will show you personally... :D

EDIT: forget the 1/2" I reckon I could drop it at least another 1" and still drive those crap roads without too much hassle :bowrofl: Sorry, but I dont agree that the roads you speak of are that bad lol

here watch this and go to bed boys lol life's too serious :D

http://daemlich.net/2364

LOL....made me laugh....thats some funny sh!t lol lol

Yes, thankyou neil...I am replying...thankyou for not locking this thread as I have much more to say hehehe :D

The roads around launceston, devonport and trevallyn are not bad...in fact they are quite good. I am happy to run my magna around them...in fact I am happy to drop my magna another 1/2" all round and still drive those roads without problems...

You think those are bad roads...oh dear....ever try driving the tahune forest scenic routes down south?? Those are bad roads???

Whilst I apreciate that you once lived here, I dont think you apreciate what a lowered magna is capable of doing...anyhow, end of discussion....you need a demonstration, drop me an email of a PM and I will show you personally... :D
you say no bad roads then this... wtf mate..

anyway, why dont people trust pedders, i have a pedders setup in my car and it handles way better then any other car of my type with kings springs and aftermarket shocks, most people think i have coilovers as my ride and cornering are so good.

you say no bad roads then this... wtf mate...
I am not saying there is no bad roads, but i am saying for the most part, the roads are pretty good...Getting back to my original point, not bad enough to cause problems with lowered springs.....[/QUOTE]

anyway, why dont people trust pedders, i have a pedders setup in my car and it handles way better then any other car of my type with kings springs and aftermarket shocks, most people think i have coilovers as my ride and cornering are so good.
Well, on this point, I have no probs with pedders...would certainly go back for more work if the need arised...

Getting back to the topic. My local pedders whilst never having worked on my car, did give it the 28 point check for free after I found a spelling error in their brochure :confused:
AND the clunk I took in for them to check they fixed by................................................ .................................................. .......................letting the tyre pressure down in the front :bowrofl: which fixed nothing, just masked the problem. Self explanitary I guess but Nice Guys :cool:

Yes, there was a problem. I went through it in another thread. http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18966&highlight=suspension+noise
If you wanna read up :thumbsup:

Read so far then could not be bothered so if this has been stated oh well.

The law says you must have 100mm clearance at the lowest point, this has been stated however what has not been stated is that you must ALSO NOT REDUCE YOUR SUSPENSION TRAVEL BY MORE THAN 1/3rd total travel.

King super lows will reduce the travel by more than 1/3. This can also be quite dangerous. If you really want to go that low, pay the $$ and get coil overs. Still illegal but at least a damn side safer than having no suspension travel.

And screw pedders, they sag and become super lows then pedders try and tell you not to run a full tank of fuel and it will not look so bad (ferntree gully Vic) They would not replace the springs