Whats the fastest magna on here thats been dyno'd and provend? and was it turbocharged or superchaged. i wanna set a goal.

hmmm i would say myne would be the fastest...so fast y0ou cant see it! Seriously i think one of the companys has the fastest one...cant remember which one it is thou!

hmmm i would say myne would be the fastest...so fast y0ou cant see it! Seriously i think one of the companys has the fastest one...cant remember which one it is thou!Awsome information there..


RPW (Dave) has a twin turbo magna thats run a 12.xx on slicks. Hes put 20+k into the engine though.

Next comes TZABOY with his 14.006 run in his NA Ralliart/Sports (whatever) he bought the car with a few mods already on it.

VRXII has a supercharged magna, but hes yet to run it down the strip (god knows why he hasnt yet)

RPW thats the one i couldnt think of it! There magna is ridiculously fast.....looks like you have a big job ahead of u!

Awsome information there..


RPW (Dave) has a twin turbo magna thats run a 12.xx on slicks. Hes put 20+k into the engine though.

Next comes TZABOY with his 14.006 run in his NA Ralliart/Sports (whatever) he bought the car with a few mods already on it.

VRXII has a supercharged magna, but hes yet to run it down the strip (god knows why he hasnt yet)

11.9.... :) i believe

RPW Magna 11.96 sec pass :shock: :D

damn i want that car
bye bye xr8s and cv8s

damn i want that car
bye bye xr8s and cv8s

spend under $4K on an Xr6T or LS1 and bye bye magna....

how many kw or hp is the twin turbo running. is it still the magna engine or a full conversion

how many kw or hp is the twin turbo running. is it still the magna engine or a full conversion

www.rpw.com.au .............

or do a search.....there's heaps of info about it

really?? dam i want that xr6t lol

what happened to the golden booya memory being forgotton already! he did ask for dynos :D

I think mine would be pretty quick........................ dropped from 10 000 feet!!!!!! lol
Heavy Bloody Thing! :badgrin:

what happened to the golden booya memory being forgotton already! he did ask for dynos :D He wants fastest and proven its fast..no timeslips were shown with Bens 305kw's..

Therefore, cant comment about Booya's awsome car.

here thats been dyno'd and provend

hrmm.. i thought a dyno was proof of power... (not necessarily on the 1/4). but *shrug*

spend under $4K on an Xr6T or LS1 and bye bye magna....

Heh exactly..there's no real reasoon to compare them though.

hrmm.. i thought a dyno was proof of power... (not necessarily on the 1/4). but *shrug*
Your missing a key word in his post. He wants dyno'd and proven on the 1/4

If it was dyno'd OR proven on the 1/4 i would agree with you.

Heh exactly..there's no real reasoon to compare them though.

not sure what you mean? :confused: lol

New magna = ~$30,000
est. cost to get it to be an 11 sec car = ~$20,000
Total: ~$50,000


New XR6T = ~$46,000
est. cost to get it to be an 11 sec car = ~$4,000 (this i HIGHLY doubt but for argument sake we'll use a figure already quoted in this thread :doubt: )
Total: ~$50,000

Comments:
Only 1 other 11.xx second mitsubishi magna* in the country. Worked XR6T; fast becomming as common as WRX's.

did someone say "hardly worth comparing?"

* = running OEM block.

Next comes TZABOY with his 14.006 run in his NA Ralliart/Sports (whatever) he bought the car with a few mods already on it.

VRXII has a supercharged magna, but hes yet to run it down the strip (god knows why he hasnt yet)


Whats about Adams TT machine..??? :D

Whats about Adams TT machine..??? :D
Has it run a 1/4 yet?

Theres 4 or 5 turbo'd magnas out there.. Only 1 that i know of has run a 1/4

Has it run a 1/4 yet?

Theres 4 or 5 turbo'd magnas out there.. Only 1 that i know of has run a 1/4


He has but still get used to the car.. He is nowhere near giving everything its got yet.. :D

Has it run a 1/4 yet?

Theres 4 or 5 turbo'd magnas out there.. Only 1 that i know of has run a 1/4
It has but can't remember the results. I believe Dave put it through it's paces in Perth.

Aussie Magna Registry (http://ostat.com/dave/magnaregistry.html)

Bain, is it worth stickying this somewhere?

Aussie Magna Registry (http://ostat.com/dave/magnaregistry.html)



Grr.. every time i look at that list some plick pushes me down another spot.. Looks like i will have to pull my finger out.. Well gunna have to wait till after MM05 now.. :D

14 registered magna's running in the 14's or better.

now with the more mods i have lets see if i can beat watchme into the 13's-that guy is starting to worry me

14 registered magna's running in the 14's or better.

now with the more mods i have lets see if i can beat watchme into the 13's-that guy is starting to worry me

Hahaha its me you should be worrying about jase!
Ive decided im going to do the 1/4mile again, this time with slicks just like you my boy (so i can get some off the line traction). Ive got the MPH for a 13.8-13.9 just need to get my 60' times down from 2.214 and im in. :D And all for less money than most.

hehe we should start a "Post your modification expenses" thread. I'd be interested in how much you guys have spent so far and gains produced with that budget :D

The way its going I'm still within my targeted budget, but we will see in a years time (I don't earn enough money to warrant extensive mods at this stage).

hehe we should start a "Post your modification expenses" thread. I'd be interested in how much you guys have spent so far and gains produced with that budget :D

The way its going I'm still within my targeted budget, but we will see in a years time (I don't earn enough money to warrant extensive mods at this stage).

Im well within my budget of under $5000 on mods (Engine, brakes and suspension) :D

14 registered magna's running in the 14's or better.

now with the more mods i have lets see if i can beat watchme into the 13's-that guy is starting to worry me


lol so you should be worried jase :P 13s only a week away for me! well im gona try get into mid 13s now.

great.. you guys are going slicks. Guess I should get some too then.

4 magnas are clearly the fastest n/a... TZABOY, Jasons VRX, ctuhlu(i think thats is user name) and myself. The first 3 are pushing between 165-172ish kw at the wheels. I was getting 137-140kw at the wheels, hopefully tonight itll be 145-150kw.. but in a week or so though itll be somewhere between 170-180kw at the wheels.... possibly more :D

turbo magnas... well theres a few. RPW runs a 11.9. Some South Aus guy runs 12.1 in a single turbo auto TH. Im not sure bout the rest but theyd be somehwere between 12.3-13 sec.


How much ive spent on my motor..
Exhaust: $1000
CAI + POD: $250
Unichip: $1250
Cams + Gears $1500 with labour
extractors: $700 incl labour
these got me my current power output. total $4700

this is mods for coming week
bored throttle body: $200
secret mod (kinda): $1800
fpr: $300

total: $7000

spent on my car in total though (incl 28000 for the car standard) $55-60k if not bit more

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secret mod (kinda): $1800

Fully sick nawwwwwwssss??

Hope you and Jason get into the 13's, it will be a great achievement from only 2 years ago when everyone was proud of a 14.6 run by Dave or was it Malcom? in WA..

it will be a great achievement from only 2 years ago when everyone was proud of a 14.6 run by Dave or was it Malcom? in WA..

OI.. whats wrong with a 14.6?? thats a mad time.... it rules.. :P

malcom got a 14.8 from memory. would have been dave who got the 14.6. back then it was nick(magnav6sports13.. now known as euroaccord13) vs malcom. i think the competition is whats gotten me to start my engine work. I like having something to beat.

like i said milton.. its a secret mod lol

']I think the competition is whats gotten me to start my engine work. I like having something to beat.

like i said milton.. its a secret mod lol
I think engine modding is worse than crack addiction..

Boooooo to secrets! lol

']I like having something to beat.

thats wot ya willy's for!

oi, if we're all going for more power and 13 second runs if one of us was to get some sort of forced induction ***BOOST*** (sorry bad cough) is that cheating???

oi, if we're all going for more power and 13 second runs if one of us was to get some sort of forced induction ***BOOST*** (sorry bad cough) is that cheating???

about the only thing in drag racing thats considered cheating is Traction control, so no, it wouldn't be cheating. It depends what you want to be remembered for??

a 13.xx second 'boosted' magna........ probably not going to be that memorable.

a 13.xx second N/A magna......... now that's something to tell the grand kids about.

BTW - Nitrous "not equal to" N/A

so to be remembered its either 13 seconds with N/A or 12 seconds with boost. Damm i feel sorry for the sprintex guys now

Well the thing to watch out for guy's is the upcoming 4, 6 and rotaries in perth on the 16th of October.

Hoping to crack the lower 11's aiming for a 11.6 if possible with some more fine tuning on suspension and boost controller.

But watch out auto guy's theres a new TT magna coming up. We are more than likely starting on an auto TT Magna in the upcoming weeks - its a 3.0 auto (stock non triptronic) and looking to boost it up to 206kw at the flywheel around 10 psi boost stock engine.

Being an auto he should do some very quick 13's sec times cause the auto relaly helps to hold the boost up between gear changes better than us poor manuel guy's who have to try and shift very very fast.

He is getting his loan put through now so we will have word on Tuesday whether its a go ahead but about time another 3.0 guy stepped to the plate.

The other one to watch out for is the 3.0 Mivec as well - some more fine tuning of that coming up and should do some impressive times down the quarter mile.

All in all there are some bloody quick magna's starting to show up around the traps. Exciting times ahead for everyone.

I remenber ages back when I ran a 14.6 in the my magna before turbo thinking it was quick. Now there are magna's doing that everywhere - I think they all could do it before but now everyoen is seriously getting out there and giving it a go. Is fantastic to see and I look forward to the 13 sec club really growing.

I remenber ages back when I ran a 14.6 in the my magna before turbo thinking it was quick. Now there are magna's doing that everywhere - I think they all could do it before but now everyoen is seriously getting out there and giving it a go. Is fantastic to see and I look forward to the 13 sec club really growing.

I agree. You look at other forums and see lots of quick 1/4 mile times, so its good for us to get some good times on the board, NA and turbo!
Also goes to show the commo and falcon boys that our magna 3.5L V6's are easy 14 second cars....and the 3.0's not too far behind :)

But watch out auto guy's theres a new TT magna coming up. We are more than likely starting on an auto TT Magna in the upcoming weeks - its a 3.0 auto (stock non triptronic) and looking to boost it up to 206kw at the flywheel around 10 psi boost stock engine.

Being an auto he should do some very quick 13's sec times cause the auto relaly helps to hold the boost up between gear changes better than us poor manuel guy's who have to try and shift very very fast.


oooohhhhh I like the sound of that. I look forward to my next round of modding money going into building a magna auto up to a stage 1.5 - 2 level.

Can you give me any hints Dave? I'm thinking along the lines of high stall t/c, heavy duty clutch packs and bands, and a 'shift kit'. Is this the sort of mods these 'boosted' autos will be running?

about the only thing in drag racing thats considered cheating is Traction control, so no, it wouldn't be cheating. It depends what you want to be remembered for??

a 13.xx second 'boosted' magna........ probably not going to be that memorable.

a 13.xx second N/A magna......... now that's something to tell the grand kids about.

BTW - Nitrous != N/A
i Don't realy consider a car running nitrous on a level playing field with a non nitrous N/A car, though its not forced induction, i beleive it should be in a different category to a normal N/A car. I have seen a few cars on nitrous run much quicker times compared to a non nos car, for eg, i knew a guy at work who ran a VT gen3 SS Auto, with no major mods, still had standard intake, stock extractors etc, i think it only had a different rear muffler, but they ran it on nos and pulled a 12.7 on the 1/4, i want to see a N/A magna without nos get into the 13's first
And remember nitrous is not legal for the road

jake: how does that make sence? ur basically saying that coz the car has modifications its not compareable simply because its quicker.... modifying the car so its quicker is the whole point of it!

ps. lol i guarentie you that 95% of modified cars and their mods arent legal. Im sure theyd all break some kind of emission law or one thing or another. Does a car having a pod mean its not compareable coz pods arent legal on the road? i dont think so


in some respects nos can be said its not compareable with n/a because you are basically adding purified air into the inlet. but its definately not forced induction so it has to be considered n/a. Also on records of fastest cars. there is no nos category so any car with nos is considered n/a

']jake: how does that make sence? ur basically saying that coz the car has modifications its not compareable simply because its quicker.... modifying the car so its quicker is the whole point of it!

ps. lol i guarentie you that 95% of modified cars and their mods arent legal. Im sure theyd all break some kind of emission law or one thing or another. Does a car having a pod mean its not compareable coz pods arent legal on the road? i dont think so


in some respects nos can be said its not compareable with n/a because you are basically adding purified air into the inlet. but its definately not forced induction so it has to be considered n/a. Also on records of fastest cars. there is no nos category so any car with nos is considered n/a
I know modifying a car to make it quicker is generally the point, and that said mods may not meet emissions etc
And i know NOS is great bang for your buck (excuse the pun) its just that with the difference in times/power it can make, it should not be compared with any N/A car (is'nt that the same reason forced induction generaly has its own category, aswell as displacement categories), yes i know on the records it is still classified as N/A, i just don't agree with it thats all.
Also as you stated you are merely just adding purified air into the inlet, which is something that you are not going to be doing all the time, therefore not giving a true representation of the cars potentiol power/speed.
I'm not saying NOS is a bad thing
This is all just my view
feel free to discuss
and good luck all of you currently vying for the 13 second time

theres no reason you cant have your car running nos the whole time.. itd just cost you a damn lot and youd probably be crazy lol. Then again theres a s2000 with nos bottle in the engine bay.. thats probably as crazy as you can get.

Ok so your reason is that it gives too much of a gain for its $ worth that it cant be deemed n/a. Well for the $ worth of it.. you could probably put some race cams, valve springs and cam gears onto your car and get similar power gains.

Throwing sh*tloads of money at a car doesnt mean its going to be a winner, sometimes spending time doing the basics properly will yeild the go FOR a lot less bucks.

I dont throw money at my car getting others to do things at a expensive price, id rather do it myself and learn along the way and get that great satisfaction of doing it yourself. :D

Mine hahahahaha:bowrofl: on the back of a tow truck until i get the gear box done then start saving fo that superchargerlol

']theres no reason you cant have your car running nos the whole time.. itd just cost you a damn lot and youd probably be crazy lol. Then again theres a s2000 with nos bottle in the engine bay.. thats probably as crazy as you can get.

Ok so your reason is that it gives too much of a gain for its $ worth that it cant be deemed n/a. Well for the $ worth of it.. you could probably put some race cams, valve springs and cam gears onto your car and get similar power gains.
But how long will the motor last running NOS all the time, where the cams will always be there and with level of engine reliability still, Though to have cams etc give the same power benefits as NOS they would have to have a pretty aggressive profile, detracting somewhat from everyday driveability.
Like i said i'm not disagreeing the benefits of NOS, but personaly, i would like to see a non NOS magna that is suitable for everyday driving (racing slicks aside) get into the 13's
still which ever way you go about it, good luck. it will still be good seeing a magna in the 13's whether it be N/A, has NOS, runs forced induction, or whatever. either way i'll still shake your hand and say congrats.
And hopefully you can do it at MM05 so we can all watch

IMO, a car running NOS should NEVER, EVER be considered NA. If the rules allow that then i completely disagree with it and think it should be changed.....put into a new category or something.
In fact i think even on our 1/4 mile registry, cars on NOS should have that put down in their "mods" section, no exception. Or divide it into turbo'd + s/c'd, NA, and NOS sections.

I dunno about others but i would be just as impressed with a 14.0 sec NA magna than a 13.0 sec magna on NOS.

Whats the fastest magna on here thats been dyno'd and provend? and was it turbocharged or superchaged. i wanna set a goal.

The fastest magna in a straight line is Mitsimans. Turbocharged

The most powerful is also Mitsimans. Turbocharged

The fastest on a track (okay, specifically Wakefield) is Reallyart 1:14.2. Normally aspirated

"Reallyart stands back and braces himself for the absolute barrage of insults, counter-claims and ridicule a comment like this is guaranteed to bring" lol

........"not satisfied with the verbal pumelling he is about to endure, he also makes the outlandish observation that a Ralliart Magna, when in production, was the fastest (by definition this means top speed) Australian made six cylinder available"...and that includes the mighty XR6 turbo (which is also a particularly tasty bit of kit by the way Bain)



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The fastest magna in a straight line is Mitsimans. Turbocharged

The most powerful is also Mitsimans. Turbocharged

The fastest on a track (okay, specifically Wakefield) is Reallyart 1:14.2. Normally aspirated

"Reallyart stands back and braces himself for the absolute barrage of insults, counter-claims and ridicule a comment like this is guaranteed to bring" lol

........"not satisfied with the verbal pumelling he is about to endure, he also makes the outlandish observation that a Ralliart Magna, when in production, was the fastest (by definition this means top speed) Australian made six cylinder available"...and that includes the mighty XR6 turbo (which is also a particularly tasty bit of kit by the way Bain)



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Just remember the XR6Turbo is speed limited to 230km/h. :D And top speed really is irrelavant unless you live in the northern territory

Oh and i wonder who has the most powerful N/A magna for the least amount of dollars. :blah: :blah:

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I dunno about others but i would be just as impressed with a 14.0 sec NA magna than a 13.0 sec magna on NOS.
i wouldnt be impressed by ANY run on nos...i really dont see the point at all...get some REAL mods! :nuts:

The fastest on a track (okay, specifically Wakefield) is Reallyart 1:14.2. Normally aspirated
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N/A stands for Naturally Aspirated imho

i wouldnt be impressed by ANY run on nos...i really dont see the point at all...get some REAL mods! :nuts:

true, and well i guess that was my point. if someone came on here saying their magna ran 13.0 on NOS id ask "yeh ok but what does it run without it", which to me, is more valid. :)

i Don't realy consider a car running nitrous on a level playing field with a non nitrous N/A car, though its not forced induction, i beleive it should be in a different category to a normal N/A car. I have seen a few cars on nitrous run much quicker times compared to a non nos car, for eg, i knew a guy at work who ran a VT gen3 SS Auto, with no major mods, still had standard intake, stock extractors etc, i think it only had a different rear muffler, but they ran it on nos and pulled a 12.7 on the 1/4, i want to see a N/A magna without nos get into the 13's first
And remember nitrous is not legal for the road

Sorry if I confused you Jake.

!= means "not equal". As far as ANDRA is concerned - for a car to qualify for the "all engine" sport compact division, it must have "no supercharging". They define supercharged as either mechanical (turbine or belt driven), or chemical.

NOS is chemical supercharging and therefore not Natural Aspiration.

Sorry if I confused you Jake.

!= means "not equal". As far as ANDRA is concerned - for a car to qualify for the "all engine" sport compact division, it must have "no supercharging". They define supercharged as either mechanical (turbine or belt driven), or chemical.

NOS is chemical supercharging and therefore not Natural Aspiration.
No problems, i can agree with that.
I much prefer it to be categorized with superchargers etc

Just remember the XR6Turbo is speed limited to 230km/h. :D And top speed really is irrelavant unless you live in the northern territory

240km/h actually.

Choonga, pomejo and Jo are witnesses to that.

240km/h actually.

Choonga, pomejo and Jo are witnesses to that.
hahaHAhahAH.. sure am! lol

240km/h actually.

Choonga, pomejo and Jo are witnesses to that.

The owners book for my old mans XR6T states the limiters as: 230km/h for XR6T and XR8, 210km/h for the fairmont ghia and 200km/h for all other sedans (and remember speedos wont be accurate at that speed so an indicated 240 probably only is 230) but damn they get there quickish. :badgrin:

BUT fit the flashtuner and away it goes (and so does that horrible hard rev limiter) WOHOOOOOOOO. :D

The auto vehicle we are doing is not getting any auto mods done. This is strictly just bolting a twin turbo kit onto the stock engine.

Although I do now have access to modified stall converters for the auto's from a Manafacturer in the states but its so costly by the time you get one and import it over that I havn't bothered to date.

As far as NOS goes - it is defined in all forms of racing as "Chemical Supercharging" and any vehicle using it is always classed in teh same field as forced induction. It is not classed as N/A.

The owners book for my old mans XR6T states the limiters as: 230km/h for XR6T and XR8, 210km/h for the fairmont ghia and 200km/h for all other sedans (and remember speedos wont be accurate at that speed so an indicated 240 probably only is 230) but damn they get there quickish. :badgrin:

BUT fit the flashtuner and away it goes (and so does that horrible hard rev limiter) WOHOOOOOOOO. :D
Yeah true that. Ahh well.

Jo's Evo8 said 240km/h and mine said 240km/h... They are probaly both out.

The auto vehicle we are doing is not getting any auto mods done. This is strictly just bolting a twin turbo kit onto the stock engine.

Although I do now have access to modified stall converters for the auto's from a Manafacturer in the states but its so costly by the time you get one and import it over that I havn't bothered to date.

As far as NOS goes - it is defined in all forms of racing as "Chemical Supercharging" and any vehicle using it is always classed in teh same field as forced induction. It is not classed as N/A.
TT on a stock auto box? How many PSI? Wont that blow the gearbox?

whats the going rate for the stall converters?

No problems, i can agree with that.
I much prefer it to be categorized with superchargers etc

so im guessin that wtchme is on nos??? cause i have to say its hardly fair to call it N/A as well........ and its got nothing to do with me being pushed a place down the list lol

TT on a stock auto box? How many PSI? Wont that blow the gearbox?
Read the whole thread mate.. or this post more importantly.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=344141&postcount=38

so im guessin that wtchme is on nos??? cause i have to say its hardly fair to call it N/A as well........ and its got nothing to do with me being pushed a place down the list lol
He's not NOSed up yet :P

From my expiriemce with the magna autos is that the tranny itself is quite strong. The diff is the No.1 Culprit to fail, It will take a while for the diff to fail (by doing burnouts etc) but the metal shards from the bushes in the diff housing, run through the transmission hence wearing it out quicker, leading to failure.
I'm sure Dave will fit a tranny cooler to maintain tranny temps, but it should stay together fine

From my expiriemce with the magna autos is that the tranny itself is quite strong. The diff is the No.1 Culprit to fail, It will take a while for the diff to fail (by doing burnouts etc) but the metal shards from the bushes in the diff housing, run through the transmission hence wearing it out quicker, leading to failure.
I'm sure Dave will fit a tranny cooler to maintain tranny temps, but it should stay together fine

Thats very interesting Gazza - and I see from your sig. that you have experience with having the dif rebuilt. Care to enlighten us as to what your experience has taught you? ie; can these bushes in the diff housing be strengthened to stop them sending shards of metal thru the transmission? Also is it possible (or even necessary) to "limit slip" in the auto diffs? I understand the cusco and similar units that are being used on some magnas are only suitable for the manual models - so is there an option for the autos?

Dave - I'd also be interested to know a ballpark figure of what it costs to supply a high stall torque converter, estimated fitting, and specs of what they are rated for. Does the manufacturer have a website?

no my car doesnt have nos on it

if you run nos your not "N/A"....

if someone runs a 13sec 1/4 without a turbo/supercharger but has nos i wouldn't class it as a 13sec N/A magna...

would be pretty sweet though, i've been thinking about a 75/100hp setup for a while :)

']no my car doesnt have nos on it
darn!! sorry bro thought by some of the posts it kinda looked like you might of... but if you dont mind me asking is that how you plan to get into the 13/s??

Yes the twin turbo auto is definitly going to be running an auto transmission cooler. I woudln't even let a normal stock auto vehicle be modified without one being fitted anywya, much less a turbo version.

We will be doing some pretty tricky tuning to keep the power delivery rate very flat and smooth and pulling timing out at specific points to ensure we don't stress the transmission too much.

As far as HP that is why we are limiting it to aroudn 200kw at the flywheel which for the 3.0 engine is around a 60kw jump in power. SHould be lovely to drive. we will be using the smaller twin 220hp turbo's so we are talking boost from 1800 rpm (Lag, what lag :badgrin: ) and all the way to the redline. Thats 450hp worth of turbo's so plenty of options later for him

as for teh torque converters, off the top of my head by the time I freight and land it here you are looknig aruond $500.00 AUD$ which is why I didn't bother going any further wth them.

But I suppose I could get one in and see if I could get a local agent to do some up for me. I will look at that as an option.

nah i just think that nos is still arguably n/a.. it just depends how u interpret it so support it. Like ive said earlier in this thread. My future engine mods are a secret. Someone finds one reason or another to ***** and moan about what you have. eg. Blah u payed too much to stay n/a.. u should go forced induction.. winge winge winge lol


darn!! sorry bro thought by some of the posts it kinda looked like you might of... but if you dont mind me asking is that how you plan to get into the 13/s??

']nah i just think that nos is still arguably n/a.. it just depends how u interpret it so support it. Like ive said earlier in this thread. My future engine mods are a secret. Someone finds one reason or another to ***** and moan about what you have. eg. Blah u payed too much to stay n/a.. u should go forced induction.. winge winge winge lol

hey bro its cool :D well done on the 14.4
if ya staying there i'll be joining you shortly :D

i should be at 14 flat once my throttle body comes in and i go for a run with some lighter wheels. But im not gona bother. Gona get mods done next week. Then go for a mid-high 13 sec run. i mite start trying for low 13s seing how my next mods go over the coming week.. Im having a ***** of a time with getting this throttle body bored out. Shop thats doing it stuffed my throttle body up!

']nah i mite start trying for low 13s seing how my next mods go over the coming week.. Im having a ***** of a time with getting this throttle body bored out. Shop thats doing it stuffed my throttle body up!
rofl.

you get what you pay for :doubt: and a magic throttle body wont get you into the 13's mate....

yeah booya clearly you do get what you pay for. u should know bout that more than anyone :nuts: now if you dont jump to conclusions the throttle body isnt the only thing im doing... thats the mod im working on prior to my mods next week!


the problem with the thorttle body is that the place working on it has never done a magna one. Most throttle bodies dont need to be 100% sealed. Ive seen theres a tiny gap on most throttle bodies from falcons etc. Magna seems to be really picky about it. anyhow workshop realised whats wrong and is fixing it up.. all under warranty of their workmanship

']yeah booya clearly you do get what you pay for. u should know bout that more than anyone :nuts: now if you dont jump to conclusions the throttle body isnt the only thing im doing... thats the mod im working on prior to my mods next week!
yer, i shouldnt of lent my car to your mother....

yer, i shouldnt of lent my car to your mother....

Don't want to be anal or anything, but since I'm a Uni student, I have to be.
Should've
Should Have

Shouldn't have
Should not have

Shouldn't of = bad m'kay

Carry on people

lol think the burning plastic and paint has gotten to u.. u got no idea what ur on about lol

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the problem with the thorttle body is that the place working on it has never done a magna one. Most throttle bodies dont need to be 100% sealed. Ive seen theres a tiny gap on most throttle bodies from falcons etc. Magna seems to be really picky about it. anyhow workshop realised whats wrong and is fixing it up.. all under warranty of their workmanship

what happens when there is a gap???
cos i've flowed mine and left gaps around the butterfly.. and nothing has happened yet...*touch wood*

if the gaps are only .1-.2mm it shouldnt be a problem. The throttle body has a lot of bypasses built into it so any more of a gap around the whole tb would cause it to idle at 2000rpm instead of 800rpm.. too much air gets through.

']if the gaps are only .1-.2mm it shouldnt be a problem. The throttle body has a lot of bypasses built into it so any more of a gap around the whole tb would cause it to idle at 2000rpm instead of 800rpm.. too much air gets through.


PHEW!!!! mine still idles at around 800-900

as for teh torque converters, off the top of my head by the time I freight and land it here you are looknig aruond $500.00 AUD$ which is why I didn't bother going any further wth them.

But I suppose I could get one in and see if I could get a local agent to do some up for me. I will look at that as an option.

I might be naive - but I don't see the issue with that price...... It's well under the cost of a H/Duty clutch or an LSD for a manual transmission. Am I wrong in assuming that a high stall torque converter would be more beneficial to an auto (when coupled with adequate cooling) than either of those mods are to a manual?? and wouldn't fitting of a torque converter be comparable to the cost of fitting a clutch or LSD??

BTW Dave, I couldn't see Auto trans coolers listed in your price list. Am I looking in the wrong place or are they not included. If not included - what cost am I looking at, and what are they like? Are the ones you recommend purely heatsink based (ie: radiator core type thing) or heatsink / electric combined (fan and element)?

sorry for getting off topic again.... but surely I'm not the only auto driver who'd like to see his name near the top of that 1/4 mile register.

The problem is that - the price I am totally guessing at. But If I could ship one over, and get them replicated then that woudl be an option but its all the other costs as well of removing the auito transmission, swapping the unit over, etc etc etc. Just didn't see them as a large market - I know lots of people woudl talk about getting one, but how many people woudl actually fork out around $1100.00 by the time you buy one, fit it up and have the car driving.

Its an option I am still looking at but is on my list of things to do but around 1/2 down the list this moment. BUt the list gets shorter every week :badgrin:

Your right - need to add that one to the list auto trans cooler kits.

We do two kits - the first one is a auto trans cooler by itself with 6an fittings only for aorund $77 or we do a full kit with barbed fitting, hoses, fitting kit for around $110.00 for those who want the job done at home without all the good looks of custom braided hose and swivel fittings.

Both do the same job but comes down to how you want it to look.

NOS = just a high tech fuel pumping modification. Who said you couldnt change the fuel you use? If you take it a step further, why can cars run on 98RON be compared to 91RON? Same concept, just on a higher scale.

NOS is perfectly fine in my books, its just another mod. NOS and no forced induction = N/A with NOS. NOS on forced induction = forced induction with NOS.

Seriously though, who WOULDNT want NOS on their car? Its awesome when you can open up ur boot and you see a NOS bottle there. Hardcore ****.

And enough crying, if you think NOS is a cheap way of getting performance out of an already maximally modified engine, well, tough. Fork out the 2k or whatever it costs and get one for youself. Simple.

NOS = just a high tech fuel pumping modification.
No it isn't. NOS = low tech air pumping modification.

NOS gives an engine its power by increasing the amount of oxygen available to combustion for any given volume of air.

In the same way that a turbo or supercharger increase oxygen density by increasing pressure for a given volume, NOS increases oxygen density by supplying a gas with more oxygen per molecule than you'll find in atmosphere air.

NOS = just a high tech fuel pumping modification. Who said you couldnt change the fuel you use? If you take it a step further, why can cars run on 98RON be compared to 91RON? Same concept, just on a higher scale.

NOS is perfectly fine in my books, its just another mod. NOS and no forced induction = N/A with NOS. NOS on forced induction = forced induction with NOS.

Seriously though, who WOULDNT want NOS on their car? Its awesome when you can open up ur boot and you see a NOS bottle there. Hardcore ****.

And enough crying, if you think NOS is a cheap way of getting performance out of an already maximally modified engine, well, tough. Fork out the 2k or whatever it costs and get one for youself. Simple.

Someone take this man to the dentist
:bowrofl:

NOS is short for Nitrous Oxide Systems. Nitrous Oxide is a gas, as Cthulhu stated, a gas with a very high oxygen content.

If NO2 is cobustible it's becuase of it's high oxygen content (pure oxygen is combustable) - not because it contains 'fuel'.

This oxygen enriched gas is pumped into the induction system of the vehicle under pressure. Air + pressure = forced induction in anyone's book.

Someone take this man to the dentist
:bowrofl:

NOS is short for Nitrous Oxide Systems. Nitrous Oxide is a gas, as Cthulhu stated, a gas with a very high oxygen content.

If NO2 is cobustible it's becuase of it's high oxygen content (pure oxygen is combustable) - not because it contains 'fuel'.

This oxygen enriched gas is pumped into the induction system of the vehicle under pressure. Air + pressure = forced induction in anyone's book.


yes it is pumped in under pressure but it doesnt pressurize the intake like a turbo or supercharger does, otherwise it wouldnt work properly on a "standard" type carby setup. depending on the type of setup wet/dry, it either sprays no2 in on its own or mixes it with fuel and sprays it in to the intake just like a fuel injector.

NOS is about increasing oxygen density through the use of an oxygen rich gas. Turbos are about increasing oxygen density through the use of increased pressure regular low-oxygen air.

They are both artificial means of getting more oxygen into a cylinder than regular, natural, aspiration allows.

NOS may not be 'forced' aspiration, but it's sure as hell not natural aspiration - unnatural aspiration, if you will...

mitsiman

do you think the torque converters will be benficial to the performance of a slightly modded magna, extractors, t/b, exhaust, cai, greddy?

for $500 id be tempted as i can install it myself

mitsiman

do you think the torque converters will be benficial to the performance of a slightly modded magna, extractors, t/b, exhaust, cai, greddy?

for $500 id be tempted as i can install it myself
I know this is aimed at Mitsiman, but i dont think it will improve the cars launch much for FWD vehicle. Higher load = higher chance of wheel spin.. (unless you are talking about using slicks)

Basing this off my experiences with a friends xr6t (yes yes i know) he has a high stall t/c at 2200rpm and any higher and he just lights up the rear end..

I know this is aimed at Mitsiman, but i dont think it will improve the cars launch much for FWD vehicle. Higher load = higher chance of wheel spin.. (unless you are talking about using slicks)

Basing this off my experiences with a friends xr6t (yes yes i know) he has a high stall t/c at 2200rpm and any higher and he just lights up the rear end..

I wouldn't even go over 2000 in a street car - it effects driveability of it too much. (friend of a friend had a street reg drag sedan with 3K stall - I've heard about the white knuckles associated with leaving a driveway onto a main road at 50Km/h).

I reckon 1500 stall would be beneficial in a 3.5L due to the relatively good low down torque (I know you can stall it up to that on standard T/C - but I wouldn't recommend doing it) - the eventual price will dictate wether or not it = good value for money to do so.

i thought magnas had 1800 already? dont mind me if im wrong im just dumb

i like wheelspin :D

i thought magnas had 1800 already? dont mind me if im wrong im just dumb

i like wheelspin :D

By my mitsubishi CD ROM workshop manual it states the TH-TJ auto has a standard value stall speed of between 2100-2600rpm.

Why do people always associate "fastest car" with a 1/4 mile time??

I say it all the time - the magna is NOT a good starting point for a fast 1/4 time!!

However - as a track car I believe it isn't too bad - its a tourer not a dragger - with a decent set of springs / shocks - some upgraded sway bars and a strut bar - they handle fairly well.

But yeah - as you have seen the fastest time - an 11.9 - on a slicks?? sorry - but that to me does not equal fast.

Whats the fastest time on street tyres?? 13's?? thats hardly respectable these days - yeah its quick - but if you are after a drag car - there are much better options then a magna.

The main reason I sold my magna was I was already having traction problems with about 200 FWHP - that was with 235 tyres - and that was capable of a mid 14 second pass - I have a video at home of me and Dave Head to Head at Kwinana - who was in front for the first 300m of the race?? wasn't the TT thats for sure - he had no traction.

Why do people always associate "fastest car" with a 1/4 mile time??

I say it all the time - the magna is NOT a good starting point for a fast 1/4 time!!

However - as a track car I believe it isn't too bad - its a tourer not a dragger - with a decent set of springs / shocks - some upgraded sway bars and a strut bar - they handle fairly well.

But yeah - as you have seen the fastest time - an 11.9 - on a slicks?? sorry - but that to me does not equal fast.

Whats the fastest time on street tyres?? 13's?? thats hardly respectable these days - yeah its quick - but if you are after a drag car - there are much better options then a magna.

The main reason I sold my magna was I was already having traction problems with about 200 FWHP - that was with 235 tyres - and that was capable of a mid 14 second pass - I have a video at home of me and Dave Head to Head at Kwinana - who was in front for the first 300m of the race?? wasn't the TT thats for sure - he had no traction.


YAAAA!!! ABOUT TIME someone else can see that.
I agree with you totally, a drag car the magna isnt BUT as a everyday tourer/club track day car they are pretty damn good and fairly fast (Ive proved that around mallala)

yes we all know magnas arent good for traction but hey some people want a fast magna....regardless of traction issue...call them stupid or whatever but its their choice

and yeah i agree an 11.9 for the amount of money and time put into these turbo magnas is pretty bad...i know its probably capable of sub 11s if it had decent traction...is it worth it? probably not but somones gotta do it

YAAAA!!! ABOUT TIME someone else can see that.
I agree with you totally, a drag car the magna isnt BUT as a everyday tourer/club track day car they are pretty damn good and fairly fast (Ive proved that around mallala)

Tend to agree, who really cares about the straight line, gets awfully boring just driving a straight line, its the handling and the speed at corners that matters, thats why i went the supercharged AWD, turbo wouldnt fit. Now she aint the quickest off the mark, but you put a few croners in there and she will leave most ralliarts for dead i am sure, Sprintex have proved it.

Tend to agree, who really cares about the straight line, gets awfully boring just driving a straight line, its the handling and the speed at corners that matters, thats why i went the supercharged AWD, turbo wouldnt fit. Now she aint the quickest off the mark, but you put a few croners in there and she will leave most ralliarts for dead i am sure, Sprintex have proved it.

You should come over to SA for a mallala track challenge between me, you and lord seafoods ralliart. Now that would look and sound cool. :D

pfft i blitz all of u :D

If i wanted a drag car - iwouldn't have bought a supra, but it will make for a good track car!!

If i still had my magna - i would have taken you lads up on the challange! haha

all talk mal all talk :bowrofl:

NOS is mad, nuf said

EDIT - I know how NOS works. I dont need a lecture on it. I have studied it on a medical grade. Cheers

Oh and BTW, If you think NOS is forced induction, well you're wrong. The only thing that is 'forced' is the way it is pushed into the engine to mix with the fuel. It is a 'fuel' in the sence that you need to carry a bottle of it around etc.

Anyway, the truth of the matter is, everyone would want a NOS setup on their car if they could afford it. Its on the same level as dumping your car on better springs for faster times/cornering.

Oh and BTW, If you think NOS is forced induction, well you're wrong. The only thing that is 'forced' is the way it is pushed into the engine to mix with the fuel. It is a 'fuel' in the sence that you need to carry a bottle of it around etc.

Which is why it is referred to as "Chemical Induction" ;)

I don't like Nos - boost it like its meant to be done, or give it more cubes - don't use the spray.

With the torque converter I will make some more enquireis and see if its a worthwhile proposition to bring in.

A slightly modded unit woudl have many beneficial qauntities, but I will be honest and say I need to do some reading and mroe learning on them because my knowldge of auto transmissions is somewhat limited. It hasn't been an area which is played around with on the mitsubishi range.

As for fast magna's, I totally agree they are a cruiser not a quarter mile dragster. Its ludicrous that with the amount of power I have, in mine, on a midly modified engine, that it only does 11.9. It has the MPH and the power to do 10's easily.

I am only really dragging it until my proper Galant drag car is up and running again. Then I am doing what I always wanted to do with th emagna - go do some circuit racing. Now thats when life will get interesting :D And Hill climbs - now that is where this vehicle woudl excell for sure.

With the torque converter I will make some more enquireis and see if its a worthwhile proposition to bring in.

A slightly modded unit woudl have many beneficial qauntities, but I will be honest and say I need to do some reading and mroe learning on them because my knowldge of auto transmissions is somewhat limited. It hasn't been an area which is played around with on the mitsubishi range.

As for fast magna's, I totally agree they are a cruiser not a quarter mile dragster. Its ludicrous that with the amount of power I have, in mine, on a midly modified engine, that it only does 11.9. It has the MPH and the power to do 10's easily.

I am only really dragging it until my proper Galant drag car is up and running again. Then I am doing what I always wanted to do with th emagna - go do some circuit racing. Now thats when life will get interesting :D And Hill climbs - now that is where this vehicle woudl excell for sure.


Just out of curiosity what are the dyno figures for your car (either wheels or engine).

Just out of curiosity what are the dyno figures for your car (either wheels or engine).
From memory something a tad over 400hp at the hubs (on a hub rather than roller dyno)

From memory something a tad over 400hp at the hubs (on a hub rather than roller dyno)


hub dynos are more accurate right, would you get a higher or lower reading at the treads

hub dynos are more accurate right, would you get a higher or lower reading at the treads

My understanding is that there becomes a certain point (power output) where a roller dyno cannot measure power at the tyres because the car is too powerful to maintain traction on the rollers - this is where a hub dyno comes in.

I would assume there would be only a very small amount (if any) of power lost between the tyre tread and the wheel hub. Tyre pressure and profile are probably the biggest determining factors.

RPW can no longer tune their magna on a roller dyno due to the car having traction issues (smoking rollers anyone??) which is why they are doing all the tuning on a Hub Dyno.

A Hub Dyno reads a higher figure then a roller dyno.

Dave - when you get to a circuit it will be nice to do some comparitive times - i wanna compare my wannerroo time to yours!! :badgrin:

was booya's done on a roller dyno or hub dyno??

My understanding is that there becomes a certain point (power output) where a roller dyno cannot measure power at the tyres because the car is too powerful to maintain traction on the rollers - this is where a hub dyno comes in.
For what it's worth - as you say it is a traction issue not necessarily a limit of the power handling ability of a roller dyno. You can buy roller dynos rated to measure well over 1000hp, but the trick is binding the car tightly enough that it doesn't smoke 'em, or worse, get up and walk away :shock:

was booya's done on a roller dyno or hub dyno??
dyno dynamics roller dyno

so in theory booya's had a similar power figure then. Would loved to have seen some competitive 1/4 runs.

It doesn't matter who has the high dyno figure anyway, all that matters is the before and after dyno figures of the same car on the same dyno :P

so in theory booya's had a similar power figure then. Would loved to have seen some competitive 1/4 runs.
How do you get that? I don't think he was close.

How do you get that? I don't think he was close.
300kw (Booya) = 400hp (RPW)..

300kw (Booya) = 400hp (RPW)..
I thought that 300kW was at the flywheel and it was 300HP at the wheels. Dang.

Anyway, several cars have shown a 15% increase from roller to hub dyno's.

BTW. At one stage they had 470HP at the hubs.

I thought that 300kW was at the flywheel and it was 300HP at the wheels. Dang.

Anyway, several cars have shown a 15% increase from roller to hub dyno's.only a roller dyno. no engine dyno.

305kw ~ 410hp at the bags (wheels)

figures are 16psi, DynoDynamics Dyno with 19" wheels.

hub dynos' :doubt: id stick to my roller dyno's

OR it would of been nice to see how much i extra *could* of made just from taking off my wheels to put on a hub :doubt:

ive never driven on my hubs before.

I thought that 300kW was at the flywheel and it was 300HP at the wheels. Dang.

Anyway, several cars have shown a 15% increase from roller to hub dyno's.

BTW. At one stage they had 470HP at the hubs.
If it was at the fly, then my bad.

But who quotes at the fly these days?!?

If it was at the fly, then my bad.

But who quotes at the fly these days?!?
Nah, you're right. I just checked it elsewhere. I've seen some recent dyno charts that seem to give a 'corrected' figure for the flywheel.

If it was at the fly, then my bad.

But who quotes at the fly these days?!?
no one unless you have an engine dyno :doubt:

if the rule of thumb is hp@ wheels = kw at fly = then id be pushing the boundries of around 410-450kw at the fly :doubt:

but its not a figure i will quote, as i only have wheel figures.

without getting into my turbo is bigger than his scenario basicly comes down to

On a normal roller dyno the max we can get is 330hp - 350hp at the wheels. Anything around this starts to smoke the tyres up. THis is acheived at around 12 psi boost when we run up to 16 psi

On a hub dyno we push 470hp at the hubs at 16 psi boost.

Differences between booya and RPW turbo car are actually quite pronounced

RPW still uses air flow meter and stock factory cmputer with greddy so we are limited to max of 470hp at the hubs due to can't get any more air thrugh the air flow meter.

Booya uses a very nice large single turbo with no air restriction in front of it with a Haltech computer.

RPW still uses stock engine components no forgies so max limit of 16 psi boost essentially ours is a street stock type engine setup that can be passed over the police pits (Paperwork on thiat is being finalised this moment).

Booya had some very nice forged components hiding in the engine there so he coudl run some very nice boost up there.

In reality there is no reason why his vehicle shouldn't have produced more horsepower due to having a stronger engine, bigger turbo and no air inlet restrictions.

As for wanneroo - happy to meet you there Malcolm, its my dream to race around there with the magna.

without getting into my turbo is bigger than his scenario basicly comes down to
Oh, come on Dave. Everyone loves e-Penis debates :bowrofl:


But who quotes at the fly these days?!?
When I hear about a 300kW car, (like from a manufacturer), that's what the engine puts out. If someone says they've had their car dynoed then I'd take it as a wheels / hub figure.

no one unless you have an engine dyno :doubt:

if the rule of thumb is hp@ wheels = kw at fly = then id be pushing the boundries of around 410-450kw at the fly :doubt:

but its not a figure i will quote, as i only have wheel figures.umm no.. Maybe 350 - 380kw's..

Manuals lose less power through the drivetrain than an auto and being FWD it will lose even less. Probably a 25% loss through the drivetrain at the most :)

(Basing my opinions off quite a few RWD dyno charts i have seen who are pushing 280 - 300rwkw's)

*edit* Found the powerloss equivalent for a auto BA which is 28%, the manual is around 22 - 25%. Therefore for a FWD application it is most likely around 15%. So that figure would actually be around 350kw at the fly.

RPW still uses stock engine components no forgies so max limit of 16 psi boost essentially ours is a street stock type engine setup that can be passed over the police pits (Paperwork on thiat is being finalised this moment).
You've got the hyperutectic pistons in yours, yeah? Are they standard CR pistons? (I know you've got decompression head gaskets)

But otherwise stock conrods and whatnot?

Booya -

I didn't realise you had forgies in your motor. No wonder you could get away with revving over 7 grand lol

Booya -

I didn't realise you had forgies in your motor. No wonder you could get away with revving over 7 grand lol
I remember reading back when he was working the engine it was like $200 a piston or something.

I remember reading back when he was working the engine it was like $200 a piston or something.
is that all ??

im sure there will be a more powerful magna pop up soon enough:D

I remember reading back when he was working the engine it was like $200 a piston or something.yer, just went over all my invoices (almost cried) $183.94 each after they were discounted.
They are a Serco Pistion =RRP$285.00ea

23pages of invoices i have in front of me :redface:

23 pages of invoices i have in front of me :redface:
Sign 'em, frame 'em, and sell 'em on eBay ;)

Sign 'em, frame 'em, and sell 'em on eBay ;)
funny you say that, cos im planning to pull the whole engine to bits,

put em in proper frames and sell them

you know the frames like you'd see a signed cricket bat in? green felt background, wall hung, with a small gold plate with a breif description of what its from etc etc maybe a small pic of booya in its "hero" shot (the main page of ZOOM magazine)

dont know how much it would cost to get em framed in a nice glass enclosure tho vs the price i could get selling them :doubt:

6x pistions + condrods (together)
2x banks of cams
1x crank
24x valve springs lol

might make some money lol

might make some money lolIt was a great car an all Ben.. But id doubt you make any money off it.. Worth the try though lol

dont know how much it would cost to get em framed in a nice glass enclosure tho vs the price i could get selling them :doubt:
I'm sure it would cost more than you'd make. Mind you, if you did it with your stuff it would be kinda cool to hang in your pool room.

Now back on topic. I reckon I could outslow all your guys!

Oh, did you notice that Talon's 60' time was 1.3 seconds!