View Full Version : 17x7" rims defectable on TE/TF ??
Strung_out
14-09-2005, 09:31 PM
hey guys,
thanks to a fellow AMC member, I’ve just hooked up a set of some nice looking 17" rims for the TF. As the rims had no tread left, I'm now on the hunt for some new tyres, however I have a dilemma.
I've been doing my research by going over some older threads and came up with the following conclusions:
1. The widest size rim you can legally fit to a TF is 7"
2. With a 7" wide rim, the largest tyres I can legally fit are 225/50
3. The minimum load rating for the TF is 95
4. To my understanding, a load rating of 95+ is not possible on a 225/50r17 tyre
So (correct me if I’m wrong), in practice, it is not viable legally to have 17x7" rims on a TE/TF. And as such, If I were to go with a 235/45 tyre or a 225/50 with a 94 load rating, any insurance claim would be void.
What are your thoughts on this guys? The rims look awesome on the car, but I feel I may have to sell/trade them for some 16's.
i think the 7" width is an insurance problem, not a roadworthiness issue.
Phoenix
14-09-2005, 09:42 PM
hey guys,
thanks to a fellow AMC member, I’ve just hooked up a set of some nice looking 17" rims for the TF. As the rims had no tread left, I'm now on the hunt for some new tyres, however I have a dilemma.
I've been doing my research by going over some older threads and came up with the following conclusions (this is all coming from a Victorian perspective):
1. The widest size rim you can legally fit to a TF is 7"
2. With a 7" wide rim, the largest tyres I can legally fit are 225/50
3. Because of Mitsubishi’s commitment to being ****wits, the minimum load rating for the TF is 95
4. To my understanding, a load rating of 95+ is not possible on a 225/50r17 tyre
So (correct me if I’m wrong), in practice, it is not viable legally to have 17x7" rims on a TE/TF. And as such, If I were to go with a 235/45 tyre or a 225/50 with a 94 load rating, any insurance claim would be void.
What are your thoughts on this guys? The rims look awesome on the car, but I feel I may have to sell/trade them for some 16's.
I have a TF with 17*7.5 and AFAIK they are legal. I have 225/50 rubber with a load rating of 94, which is what my door says.
To check whether the load rating should be 94 or 95, have a look on the tire placard (I think on the A pillar where you open the passengers door) and it will say there reccommended tire pressures, and load ratings. :)
Strung_out
14-09-2005, 09:44 PM
The width is not the real issue, the issue is with the tyres and load rating. 7" wide is roadworthy and the insurance company have no problems with it.
Also, the load rating is 95. Just checked it then
Phoenix
14-09-2005, 09:50 PM
The width is not the real issue, the issue is with the tyres and load rating. 7" wide is roadworthy and the insurance company have no problems with it.
Also, the load rating is 95. Just checked it then
I guess the only option would be then to go with 235/45 with 95 LR. I think you'd be paying through the nose for them though :doubt:
Shamous69
14-09-2005, 09:52 PM
I have 235/45's with a load rating of 95 or 98, the tyre shop wouldnt do an illegal setup, and assured me this is legal. so it can be done. price of these tyres are around $160 each fitted. That was my last quote for Faulkens.
Strung_out
14-09-2005, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the quick responses guys, much appreciated.
The reason I concluded that 235/45 on 7" wide rims was not roadworthy was because in some older posts (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23894&highlight=load+rating), Redav mentioned the Tyre and Rim associations handbook says that the said tyres were not suitable for 7" rims.
Asylum
14-09-2005, 11:59 PM
you're right about the 225/50/17, as that is the standard size for the VRX rims. the ones i had were only a 94 load rating (but still $260 each!) the only option i could think of was to get the sticker from a TJ (which they lowered the load rating, 95 is stupid!)
stripper13
15-09-2005, 07:52 AM
you're right about the 225/50/17, as that is the standard size for the VRX rims. the ones i had were only a 94 load rating (but still $260 each!) the only option i could think of was to get the sticker from a TJ (which they lowered the load rating, 95 is stupid!)
How'd you go about getting that. I want to get some 18"s, possibly 19"s for my car, but am unsure about the legality and tyre cost. I suppose if I could change the tyre placard, it might be dodgy, but is there anything the insurance company can really do about it?
JO_KING
15-09-2005, 08:02 AM
How'd you go about getting that. I want to get some 18"s, possibly 19"s for my car, but am unsure about the legality and tyre cost. I suppose if I could change the tyre placard, it might be dodgy, but is there anything the insurance company can really do about it?
insurance companies know what and what dont belong on cars mate sorry but they will find it out if they go thru with a claim.
stripper13
15-09-2005, 08:08 AM
insurance companies know what and what dont belong on cars mate sorry but they will find it out if they go thru with a claim.
Didn't Mitsubishi simply change the tyre placard on some of the TH series when they ran short of 95 load tyres?
Is an insurance company going to get dodgy with a claim to some poor TH owner who thought that they only needed <95, but insurance company decides it needed 95?
heathyoung
15-09-2005, 08:25 AM
The thing with rims...
1" Over factory delivered size (on tyre placard) - no problems, most insurers will allow.
2" Over factory " " - Ok, some insurers will question / not allow (NRMA wont allow)
>2" Over factory " " - Requires engineering certificate to be roadworthy.
So 18" on a TE requires an engineering certificate.
And those civics with 20's - easy target for a yellow sticker defect notice.
Swapping tyre placards is also illegal.
Cheers
Heath Young
tfv630
15-09-2005, 09:13 AM
checked with qld transport about the 18"x8's on my tf they said as long as the track isnt increased by more than 25mm and the overall rolling diameter is no greater then 15mm and they don't protrude past the guards or foul on any part of the car then they are legal if the wheels doesnt meet the above criteria then they are defectable.
Racq didnt give a dam what size they were thank god as long as they are compliant :D
i have 235/40/18's in a nankang 95 load rated $178 a tyre and the rolling diameter is 12mm taller then standard so they are legal.... just!!
BLKMAGNA
17-09-2005, 01:19 AM
I have 17x7 with 235/45 and have no problems with insurance the only problem with 18 in rims and you don't need an engineers report for them' is because you are going up 3 sizes with the rims some insurance may not allow it (depending on your age) also if the cops want to be assholes about it they will book you for an unroadworthy car.
I rang my insurance company about putting my rims on and they didnt have a problem with that size.
Putting any size over 17in, that may increase you insurace premium.
tfv630
17-09-2005, 06:29 AM
Cops are limited with there defects by the road rules they cant invent new ones themselves.
diameter wise only thing transport said was it had to be less then a 15mm increase in rolling diameter. Rim size doesnt matter its even in there modification brochure and on there website aswell. Would be good if all the states/territories were the same :nuts:
heydude
17-09-2005, 07:22 PM
Hrrmmm, I am worried, I have 17 X 8 inch rims, with 235/45/17 on it, on a TE. :confused:
They barely fit the front guards and its not even lowered yet, if I did'nt have the front wheel arch flares I could roll the guards. CRAPTOLA.
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