hey everyone,


im looking at installing 4 neons in my car, one in each footwell.
i did some stuff to my car today (changing interior light from 12V feston to 12V LED (x6)) and stuffed half of it up as when i was testing to see if the lights worked, i didnt ground it, and blew a fuse.

ANYHOO,
to properly wire up 4 neons successfully, i need a diagram and i suck at anything creative, so has anyone done this before and got a wiring diagram they can post up?

or can someone draw one up on paint for me?

any help would be appreciated as i would like to undertake this within the nest few weeks.

regards Paul

here ya go
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Skando1/wiringdiagram.jpg

*EDIT*

if you want to wire up 4neons to one switch. connect the positive wire from all for neons to the switch and the negative wire to the negative powerlead.

hmmm thanks for the drawing,.........I COULD OF DONE THAT

also i want to have an ON/OFF/(and the position for when the door opens the lights come on)

*EDIT*
just read ur edit, is it that simple? surely must be harder, earth wires etc?

hmmm thanks for the drawing,.........I COULD OF DONE THAT

also i want to have an ON/OFF/(and the position for when the door opens the lights come on)

*EDIT*
just read ur edit, is it that simple? surely must be harder, earth wires etc?

that i cant help u with,

just make sure u have a good gauge power wire running from the postive power source to the switch and more importantly a good gauge solid negative connection.

all the connections are solid as, i was thinking of splicing into the interior lights wiring, as they come on with when the door opens, but it seems complected and hard :rant:

i wont be changing any wires yet, im ultra noob at this stuff.

trust me i suck thats why im asking for advice first!

yeah no asking for advice is a good idea.

maybe get one of the AMC locals to give u hand with it?

and i sure hope ur not getting blue neons
or green

ok anyone here live in the western suburbs of VIC, i.e. sunshine, footscray, deer park?
i havent got any parts yet, but as i said id love to do it, if not, ill just go with off/on and make it easy

You will need to get a Relay and splice into the Door Opening Circuit..
Why bother with the Neon thing as they are illegal anyway.

If you did use the Photographers " Paint " wiring Diagram it would have burnt your car to the ground in no time as I see no Fusible link in that diagram which would have resulted in turning the Wire Powering your neons into toaster elements and burnt the car to the ground..

yeah dood but im sure they cant be illigal if there only on the inside? surely?

goddam a relay...this sounds complecated...im opting to go more for the on/off function, also, if i do the easy on/off switch, where does my earth lead come from?



sorry for being a noob

yeah dood but im sure they cant be illigal if there only on the inside? surely?

goddam a relay...this sounds complecated...im opting to go more for the on/off function, also, if i do the easy on/off switch, where does my earth lead come from?



sorry for being a noob

they arnt illegal on the iside mate, interior lighting can be any color as long as it dose not distract the driver of the car or any other drivers from driving. So dont put them on your roof and expect to get off scot free, in the footwells will be fine
cheers
jaz

Drop S_tim_ulate a PM, he would be able to help come up with a Creative solution to your problem.

will do mate!

thanks for the info so far. im looking into this as i want to get as much stuff out of the way as possible b4 im 18 (13 months to go).

next is wheels and lowering :cool:

The easiest way to do it would be to get neons that come with an invertor if possible... And the go and buy a 3 position switch.

Connect the ground on the switch to a ground in the car
Connect one of the positions of the switch to acc power
and connect the final position on the switch to the circuit that is connected to the interior light.

To find the interiour light circuit, the easiest thing to do would be to rip one of the front seats out, and pull the trim that covers where the seatbelt is off... Then trace it down to the little button that is pressed when the door is closed, and tap into that circuit. But you will have to try to get on the grounded side of the switch, otherwise you'll have problems...

Not a very clear explination but I hope it helps :)

so something like this;

just a bit confused to where the actuall neons go now :S

Theres ALOT of hassel in hooking up neons to your door. Your better off making your own switch box and run them all from there. My old car had 4 x under car neons, 1 in each footwell and 1 under each of the front seats. I also had 3 in the boot but they were controled by the boot light. Footwells were on 1 switch, under seats 1 switch, undercar 1 switch. The box had each switch wired seperately but I also had a button in the dash that controlled the switch box ( easy to turn off when cops were around ). If you were to place a master switch in the box rather than a button elsewhere in the car you could miss it and only turn off say the inside neons and still get busted for others. Even if your not going for the external lights this is still a good idea. Hope it helps.

they arnt illegal on the iside mate, interior lighting can be any color as long as it dose not distract the driver of the car or any other drivers from driving. So dont put them on your roof and expect to get off scot free, in the footwells will be fine
cheers
jaz

Um my mate got defected for having pulsating ones in the footwell.... even though it was day time and not connected at the time. still got done..

so i dont know about the legalness of them... could change everywhere.

I don't know about 2nd gens, but driver found the pin for the interior light on his fuse box next to the driver side pedal thingy and tapped into that.

find what switches on (any interior light, or find a powwer source that turns on near ur swtich)

buy a relay and hook it all up, no problemos! Just need to find a switched source ;) relays have been covered extensively recently.

Wiring it up to the doors is possible, but will be very time consuming. (Cant help you out with 2nd gen specific wiring soz) Could figure it out if you take ur roof interior light out and trace the wiring back.
It's easy to wire up to the boot switch for boot neons (Just splice into the boot light connection)

Otherwise I'd just look at the easy option for neons. Splice into a power cable somewhere. Use the back of the ciggy lighter preferably
centre post is active/positive you can attach a small ring to the screw holding it in.
outer case is ground/negative

No need to fuse (as the ciggy lighter is fused at the fuse box.

Switch on the positive side.

Voila.

:noway: gawd...if its going to be that complicated, i think i might just go with a simple ON/OFF function, this seems alot easier and alot less hassle, i drew up a quick diagram, and im pretty sure thats it, but if its not, can people please tell me :P

thanks guys

You want the switch on the postive side dude.

So goes battery +'ve to fuse (in fuse box if u use a OEM line)
fuse to switch
Switch to positive end(s) of the neons (red lines usually)

Then negative to negative.

cool man i get ya now, with the ahhh fuse, does that come with the neons or do i have to buy one and make a box for it or something or other

*edit*
success :cool:

thanks for the advice on the neons so far, its making simple sense.

but yesterday i embarked on making some LED lights for my interior (got the idea from markfivestar). i went jaycar picked up 2 light banks (and 1 spare) and got to work. I cut out holes in the feston light holder to now accommodate LED's, all good so far, i hard wired them up to a 12V source and they work perfectly
Lights Are Working (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/zoemodel028.jpg)
but when i connect up the power in the way ive drawn up
Drawing (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/zoemodel025.jpg)
to my 12V source, i got a sizzling noise and hardly any light coming through, making me think that the glue i used to hold down some of the metal bits is making it an insulator.
heres what it looks like now
in progress (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/zoemodel022.jpg)
it looks complecated but since i had to cut out plastic ive had to bridge the eathe wire over the 1st bank of LED's

so im thinking its poor conductivity, as after the frying sound happened, i hard wired them and they were fine, i doubt its polarity, as the lights were coming on

heres what it looked like originally with my markings so u know whats what
Original Feston Holder (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDproject.jpg)

im thinking i could undo the soldering and sand down the metal (i think its copper) and when im soldering im getting alot of brown liquid coming from the solder, hardly anything is sticking.


any ideas?
or help?
cause im confuzzled
heres other pics for you to look at
Working LED's
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/zoemodel027.jpg)
LED Holder (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/zoemodel023.jpg)
B4 i started (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/9295295396016.jpg)





no, anyone?

that first drawing in the thread!

Kudos to that!

currently workin on carputer project with friend on his VY.

working to use the colour pallet in windows to designate the colour of the LED under carriage "neons".

Shall do big ass neon / carputer / audio post

when we get the damn thing working

I stumbled across this diagram a year ago when installing my neons.

ill keep that pic for future refrence, see, i know jack schit about electronics and when i saw that i was like :nuts: becuase your only using one terminal. BUT looks like it'll work so ill keep it handy, thanks for the reply dood

well hopefully someone replys to this post, god knows i need it.

here are some photos so far of my gay LEd project which so far has used 4 fuses
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDphotos014.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDphotos013.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDphotos012.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDphotos011.jpg

NOW i came to the conclusion that the (-) wire was touching earth, so, i fixed that, and a little gap seems to be there seperated by a bit of glue.

SOOOO

i go into the car, close all the doors, and set the light to the middle setting which is ( . ) on the facia.

so i wire (-) to (-) and (+) to (+) and so far so good, no blown fuse.
so i start to screw in the screw which when connected properly is the earth, so i start turning the screw, and for a brief moment the LED's work!!! YEs! success!.

THEN.....pop......fuse gone.......CRAP>.<........now the screw was about 1/2 in, so it was touching the metal roof. IM JUST SO PI$$ED OFF RIGHt NOW.

can anyone explain this? why it blew after lighting up?
should i reconnect it but in (ON) or (OFF) mode?


if this doesnt work i have a second Feston holder (thanks to the mitsubihi van at school) which i will replce with a LED filled bulb (similar to magnats)


does anyone have an idea as its been over 2 weeks pi$$ farting around with this and it just doesnt wanna work.


/end rage

here ya go

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/jo_king/neonwireing.jpg

thanks dood for that, after seeing that wiring these up seems harder then it looks!

you dont have a clue about my LED misfortune do you?


but thanks for the drawing im keeping that for refernce!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/LEDphotos013.jpg
so i wire (-) to (-) and (+) to (+) and so far so good, no blown fuse.
so i start to screw in the screw which when connected properly is the earth, so i start turning the screw, and for a brief moment the LED's work!!! YEs! success!.

THEN.....pop......fuse gone.......CRAP>.<........now the screw was about 1/2 in, so it was touching the metal roof. IM JUST SO PI$$ED OFF RIGHt NOW.


ok... What is this ring around where the screw for?

You said that you've connected +ve to +ve and -ve to -ve... But then this looks like another grounding point :S

Are you able to post these same pics up, but in paint or something draw in the circuits that you've intended? THat would be helpful...

But yeah, I'm not sure about having 2 ground points.. Depends on the way that it's wired up, but when the screw touched metal, was it this screw? (ie: the one that had this ring around it)

i guess i just found out why i blew three fuses trying to wire my neons to a switch. i am so f'ing stupid. so you only put the positive wire to the switch... nto the both... hmmmm..... :bowrofl:

this should help you


EDIT: wirng loom MKII that wont blow up your neons :)
sorry

all the connections are solid as, i was thinking of splicing into the interior lights wiring, as they come on with when the door opens, but it seems complected and hard :rant:

i wont be changing any wires yet, im ultra noob at this stuff.

trust me i suck thats why im asking for advice first!

hey i tried splicing into my interior light cords.....lol i screwed it all up

i guess i just found out why i blew three fuses trying to wire my neons to a switch. i am so f'ing stupid. so you only put the positive wire to the switch... nto the both... hmmmm..... :bowrofl:

well i went to school and tryed both lights (standard one and my LED one) on a mitsubishi express van - it uses the same light.

now what i had done is STUPIDLY had reveresed polarity. that was quicly fixed. i wired them up and hey presto in ( . ) mode they worked!......i closed the doors and the light went off, i opened a door and they turned on! MAGIC.

so i figure ok this is working ill try (ON) and (OFF) mode now.....OFF mode works fine - obvioulsy nothing to see.

but when i flick it to (ON).....theres nothing.

so me and my electronics teacher are trying to figure this one out. I finally think its working and its still stuffing up:S

Travis - The ring around the screw is the grounding point, the metal touches the screw, and the screw touches the thread which is metal and part of the roof, making it ground. As i said before it was a simple case of reversed polarity - my noobiness contributed. just the ON button aint working. as for the paint images, do you want me to take birdseye shots of every mode and draw the path in which the current is SUPPOSED to flow?

the weird thing is, when the switch is in (ON) mode....the switch is making no contact with the 3 leads you see in the pictures, even the standard feston light in (ON) mode touches no contacts which is very wierd. so yes ill be figuring that one out tomorrow or friday - who knew freeken lights would take up more then 3 weeks of my life :doubt:

and thanks so far for all the help you guys have given me :)