Courtesy of "ravenvtsuper6" from the Streetcommodores forum, there are also these photos going around atm which give a much better indication of the car as a whole.

http://users.on.net/~driver/aussiemagna/380/Red-23-9-05/

*edited - Bain* Due to this thread being linked on another site i have removed the pictures. They can be seen on the link above

looks good to me!!!

Thats it im sold, trading the magna in

Just cos it looks pretty damn good, doesn't mean it's not going to be without bugs... might pay to see how it actually fares for a while.

nice interior and unique behind that will catch a few looks. front end in the words of dicko: "borin' as bat shiat!". i actually prefer the US galant's frontend with the defined nose bridge better. but overall, handsome car and GREAT improvement over TL :D

Also these.

What's the deal with the side mirror? It looks a bit....strange?

What's the deal with the side mirror? It looks a bit....strange?

I quite like it. What I like about the 380 is a lot of the stuff hasn't been done before (the rear end), the side mirrors etc, but it isn't over the top either. It's very unique and original, but not overly done like a Lotus is.

yep it's looking good. i notice the move back to framed windows..

OMFG
I love it.
Dark Blue/Black, on 20's, dumped, full Black Tint. :cool:

the rear-end's a shocker.

I looks awesome.

As for the comment about it being boring - it needs to be in Australia, conservative styling sells here. The US Galant style would have killed MMAL for sure.

I quite like it. What I like about the 380 is a lot of the stuff hasn't been done before (the rear end), the side mirrors etc, but it isn't over the top either. It's very unique and original, but not overly done like a Lotus is.

I'm not critical of it, l just can't quite make out the design. And yes, new styling is good.

That car does not look like a base model, and its got no Steering Wheel Controls... :cry:

Oh well, it's well and truely had it's cover blown now!

yep it's looking good. i notice the move back to framed windows..

Yeah it may not be as aesthetically pleasing, but it's more practical having framed windows and if they geuinely believe it's "better built, better backed" than framed windows makes sense and the car would appear to be built better if it isn't making noise etc when driving and also the doors would close to a much nicer sound (less tinny) which would indicate the car to be of better better quality also.

This car is a VR-X or GT. All 380's will have steering wheel controls im told.
I have sat in both a VR-X and a GT and they do have em. They are mounted behind the wheel out of site, to stop u looking down at the bottons and keep your eyes on the road. Its one of the best designs I've ever seen.

This car is a VR-X or GT. All 380's will have steering wheel controls im told.
I have sat in both a VR-X and a GT and they do have em. They are mounted behind the wheel out of site, to stop u looking down at the bottons and keep your eyes on the road. Its one of the best designs I've ever seen.

My only concern is the size of the mags of the "VR-X or GT" model. It's hard to tell from that photo but they look like 16's. I think the VR-X should have 17's and the GT, 18's.

Nothing wrong with framed windows. Nothing good about them either. Neutral about that feature. I like no frame for look when its down and u open the door, frame for the stability it gives, no shuddering when u got it down a bit and close the door.

nice..... arcane wil buy one. ill put a wager on it...

That car does not look like a base model, and its got no Steering Wheel Controls... :cry:

I wouldn't be so sure that it's not the base model....... it doesn't look like it has passenger side SRS (which is weird - cause I thought TL/W had passenger side as standard) + it looks like dial style aircon - as opposed to climate control style.

actually - anyone else notice that the head unit looks built into the console - BA falcons style??

bummer...

but other than that - I like it more and more everytime I see it!!!

My only concern is the size of the mags of the "VR-X or GT" model. It's hard to tell from that photo but they look like 16's. I think the VR-X should have 17's and the GT, 18's.
Ummm **** trying to think. The base model has std 16 steel wheels, i think the sports have 17's. And no space savers

I wouldn't be so sure that it's not the base model....... it doesn't look like it has passenger side SRS (which is weird - cause I thought TL/W had passenger side as standard) + it looks like dial style aircon - as opposed to climate control style.

actually - anyone else notice that the head unit looks built into the console - BA falcons style??

bummer...

but other than that - I like it more and more everytime I see it!!!

Yes has a built in head unit like the BA, the std features are not less than the TL/TW.
Std - cruise control, 4 power windows, elect drivers seat, climate control, 4 air bags and the list goes on.

Those wheels do look pretty small but they still look like 17's to me. 225/50/R17's i reckon :confused:

Anything less that 18 on that size car is small.

Look at the profile, have to be 17s.

The model you are all looking at is the 'verada/sports' equivalent.

The base model has different rear lights and doesnt have the rear 'lip'

Just cos it looks pretty damn good, doesn't mean it's not going to be without bugs... might pay to see how it actually fares for a while.
Gotta be better than what im putting up with at the mo :cry:

bleh, the interior looks just as cheap as the new falcons and commodores... the 3rd gen interior is much nicer imo.

:rant: Ok, now all of U can kill me, but i tell U no more Mitsu for me :confused: .This car LOOK like SH iT. What's special or attractive about it?? Nothing what i can see? Even steering wheel is "strange". Now I think than MMAL not gonna exist for long.

Also these.

Okay re the engine bay shot....

1/ Where's the battery?

2/ Factory Strut bar!

I am concerned at the power output. As this is exactly the same engine as the American Gallant.

Amerian Gallant V6 Engine Specs.

Engineering LS
Engine Type: V6
Engine Block: Cast Iron
Cylinder Head: Aluminum
Displacement (litres): 3828
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net): 230@5250 …….This works out to ….171.5 kilowats
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 250@4000 ........... Please dont tell me this is its torque...250.
Valvetrain: MIVEC SOHC 24-Valve
Multi-Port Fuel Injection: X

bleh, the interior looks just as cheap as the new falcons and commodores... the 3rd gen interior is much nicer imo.
3rd gen interior looks good.. :bowrofl:

thats lb-ft not Nm... totally different

is that a stock pod filter shape? :shock:

OMFG
I love it.
Dark Blue/Black, on 20's, dumped, full Black Tint. :cool:

u mean like this

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Skando1/ps41pimpcoup.jpg

u mean like this

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Skando1/ps41pimpcoup.jpg

:drool:

(and you have wayyy to much time luke) :P

i like those tail lights ...

deffinetely a car same as the magnas that need to be low with rims to look hot

maybe the side mirros might retract at the press of a button like the Colts, if so, that'd be cool

Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 250@4000 ........... Please dont tell me this is its torque...250.


Sigh. Can you see the fact it sats lb-ft on the left.

250 (pound force feet) = 338.954487 newton meters

I wouldn't be so sure that it's not the base model....... it doesn't look like it has passenger side SRS (which is weird - cause I thought TL/W had passenger side as standard)

My SP23 (as well as other mazda3's) has a newer design for passenger airbags which will be more common...invisible seams. That's the case here.

pro 380 supporters are buzzing abt how it will upset holden and ford but has everyone seen the new commodore (V??? - whatever), style-wise it's going to beat the 380 both inside and outside. mitsu look out :badgrin:

pro 380 supporters are buzzing abt how it will upset holden and ford but has everyone seen the new commodore (V??? - whatever), style-wise it's going to beat the 380 both inside and outside. mitsu look out :badgrin:
The new ford due in 07 looks hawt! Bring on the Orion (project name for the replacement for the BA/BF)

are there spy pics of the 2007 falcon?! GIVE THEM TO ME!

It's amazing that other forums are talking about the 380

ford should kick some ass

It's amazing that other forums are talking about the 380

ford should kick some ass
Considering how many peoples job's are on the line with this car, its no suprise the amount of hype (i think)

I hope it goes really well as I would love to see Mitsu making great cars and moving ahead with the rest of the car companies. They have the quality part, now to make a car that the market will like!

Holden should be VERY scared of the 380.
Ford is just tweaking a winner with the BA to BF car.

MITSUBISHI must stay in aus with the 380

The car has had a really good response (9 times out of 10) on the other car forums, so it's good to see.

Someone on one of the other websites quoted 175kw power(as previously discussed) and 334NM torque.

The new ford due in 07 looks hawt! Bring on the Orion (project name for the replacement for the BA/BF)


You can't be serious bain...you thinking this looks good?

the front of that looks absolutley horrid!!!

Holden should be VERY scared of the 380.


lol lol lol lol lol

Okay re the engine bay shot....

1/ Where's the battery?

2/ Factory Strut bar!

Yes factory strut bar (like the VR-X Lancer, but not red). The battery is toward the rear of the engine bay, left hand side and the main ECU is behind the left hand headlamp. The battery will be a bastard to replace and I think insurance will go up coz in a smash the ECU will get wiped out. However I think they do crash testing on the right ???

This is where the battery and ECU are.

You can't be serious bain...you thinking this looks good?

:stoopid:.

oh my god, that car......ahh........looks like the new focus..........i doubt that would be the next family car......as it looks terrible

actually -just with its own rims and lowered a sensible amount, it looks great. i'm pretty sure they're 17s there btw.
once again.. that front bar is very nice.

oh yeah, that ford pic looks very focus inspired. maybe that will have to go through the 'australianification' process too. lol

Putting an ECU in the engine bay is a recipe for disaster :shock: (Any electronics geek will know that)

actually that ford don't look too bad with the lights de-crapified.
anyone know when a 380 wagon can be expected?

never is the word......

the problem for MMAL is that the 380 will probably be a comprehensively better car then the VZ commodore, and maybe slightly better then the BF too (have to wait for the road tests to know for sure) but holden really has some pretty sexy bits of kit awaiting and alot of pretty special suspension, gearbox and engine stuff waiting with the VE... staying infront of holden when they launch the VE is going to take alot of effort from both ford and mitsubishi

Putting an ECU in the engine bay is a recipe for disaster :shock: (Any electronics geek will know that)

Ford BA falcons and SX territorys have the ECU in the engine bay on top of the left shocker tower.

hell, that Mitsu looks like it has a strut brace in it from the factory

Hope that is stock !




Maybe mitsu have it right this time...

MAte that dash looks absolutly s**t hot, silver surrounds for everything, chrome hiughlights, sharp ateering wheels. Mate i was unsure at first from the first pics, but from these I love it to bits. Bring It on!!!

Long live Mitsi Australia :bowrofl:

is that strut brace standard :o

why is everyone getting in a spin about a strut brace?? whats the big deal lol

Because it show's they have taking Handling into consideration when building a decent car.

is that strut brace standard :o

Apparently only on the VRX and GT models

Oh and remember holden added a strut brace to the SS commodore (VY model i think) and a holden engineer stated to the motoring magazines that it really did stuff all but it did look good.
The best strut braces are ones that run back to the firewall and then across to the other shock/strut tower.

Apparently only on the VRX and GT models

Oh and remember holden added a strut brace to the SS commodore (VY model i think) and a holden engineer stated to the motoring magazines that it really did stuff all but it did look good.
The best strut braces are ones that run back to the firewall and then across to the other shock/strut tower.

yeah what he said.. strut braces are there for looks, stuff all else

Does any-one know if the dash is exactly the same right through the range?

Does any-one know if the dash is the exactly same right through the range?

They are similar of course but as you go up the range ya get more features and highlighted bits and pieces. The base 380 P2 pilot i drove 5weeks ago was fairly plain but thats to be expected.

anyone know fule consumption figures, can see the sticker on the windscreen in the shots but cant read the figures?

The new 380 looks dang HAWT,,,,HAWT I TELL YA!!! :shock:

The interior looks like it should be flying in the air on the space shuttle,, totally kool.

And from the side it looks like a coupe, loving that. :cool:

And if that pic is of the new falcon, then ford should stay with BA, cause that thing is hideous. :sick:

Back to the 380,,,, HAWT HAWT HAWT!!!!!

If you squint, and touch up the picture a bit, that ford starts to look very similar to the 380 pics :shock:

yeah what he said.. strut braces are there for looks, stuff all else

Depends on the car, some cars could do with the extra stiffening.

yeah what he said.. strut braces are there for looks, stuff all else

But the differance a strut brace will do is different between FWD and RWD cars. Sure it doesn't do anything in normal day to day driving, But I can deffinatlly feel a "small" but very noticable differnce in my car after fitting one. :P

Don't get me wrong it isn't a "wow, man this things on rails" difference. After fittment mid corner bumps tend not to upset the front as much under hard cornering.

But on topic, I think the 380 will look nice. Weather it will be successfull we will have to wait and see. I will most likely not be buying one (but only cuase I want a more sports orientated next car :D )

Not too sure about the lip on the boot lid, but the rest looks great.

If you squint, and touch up the picture a bit, that ford starts to look very similar to the 380 pics :shock:

NO,,,,I think you've had too much to drink. :badgrin:

NO,,,,I think you've had too much to drink. :badgrin:

Youre just not squinting hard enough :P

I have a question. Does the 380 have a fly-by-wire, or computer controlled throttle like the BA Falcon? If so, it would explain the placement of the ECU. It needs to be as close to the motor as possible. The BA Falcon/Territory have theirs near the rear of the bonnet, on the passenger side, which is close enough to the engine to be easily accessed for firmware flashes. Just a thought.

Another thing, how much are these expected to retail for when on sale? The BF Falcon has its pricing out, but the 380 does not. Lastly, is it me, or does the key enter the steeing column, not the dash as with the Gen 2-3 Magnas?

-Andrew

I have a question. Does the 380 have a fly-by-wire, or computer controlled throttle like the BA Falcon? If so, it would explain the placement of the ECU. It needs to be as close to the motor as possible. The BA Falcon/Territory have theirs near the rear of the bonnet, on the passenger side, which is close enough to the engine to be easily accessed for firmware flashes. Just a thought.

Another thing, how much are these expected to retail for when on sale? The BF Falcon has its pricing out, but the 380 does not. Lastly, is it me, or does the key enter the steeing column, not the dash as with the Gen 2-3 Magnas?

-Andrew

yes it does have eletronic throttle control

the car hasnt even been officially released yet, so no the RRP isnt out yet

yes ignition barrel is on steering column

Yeah, pricing is under lock and key until offical release. However I did hear that the GT will be around the $55k mark and the base would be a couple of grand cheaper than the Commodore Exect.

Yeah, pricing is under lock and key until offical release. However I did hear that the GT will be around the $55k mark and the base would be a couple of grand cheaper than the Commodore Exect.

for 55k it would wana have all the fruit!! A price range of around 30k to 55k is pretty big.. the GT is going to have to justify that extra 25k with ALOT of luxury features aswell as some mechanical differences me thinks...

55k ??????

Jeebus save meeee



a 25k price jump could only be justified with supercharging, awd option, killer system with sat nav, full leather, 18's, coilovers, + 5 grand more stuffs !!!

Anyone know about the wheels yet?


As in, will our current wheels fit? :)

55k ??????

Jeebus save meeee



a 25k price jump could only be justified with supercharging, awd option, killer system with sat nav, full leather, 18's, coilovers, + 5 grand more stuffs !!!
:stoopid:

remember how much you lot thought the ralliart 54K was overpriced... :shock:

phwoar... 55K is HUUUUUUUUUGE

for 55k it would wana have all the fruit!! A price range of around 30k to 55k is pretty big.. the GT is going to have to justify that extra 25k with ALOT of luxury features aswell as some mechanical differences me thinks...
Totally agree with ya. I have a feeling it won't be that much, it's just $55k was what I've heard. I think it would be more like mid-high $40k.

it was overpriced......

I have a question. Does the 380 have a fly-by-wire, or computer controlled throttle like the BA Falcon? If so, it would explain the placement of the ECU. It needs to be as close to the motor as possible. The BA Falcon/Territory have theirs near the rear of the bonnet, on the passenger side, which is close enough to the engine to be easily accessed for firmware flashes. Just a thought.

Another thing, how much are these expected to retail for when on sale? The BF Falcon has its pricing out, but the 380 does not. Lastly, is it me, or does the key enter the steeing column, not the dash as with the Gen 2-3 Magnas?

-Andrew

The BA falcons actually get there ECU reflashed by plugging the WDS computer into a plug under the right hand side of the steering coloum

i want to see pricing as follows:

ES: $30,000
VRX: $35-38,000 (depending on if it gets a more powerful engine then the ES or not)
GT: no more then $45,000

as Ice_Magik says, if it wants to be $55k then it better have AWD and have alteast 220kw

The new 380 looks dang HAWT,,,,HAWT I TELL YA!!! :shock:

The interior looks like it should be flying in the air on the space shuttle,, totally kool.

And from the side it looks like a coupe, loving that. :cool:

And if that pic is of the new falcon, then ford should stay with BA, cause that thing is hideous. :sick:

Back to the 380,,,, HAWT HAWT HAWT!!!!!

That's not the new Falcon. It's the new Ford Fusion that has just been released in America, and is based on the Mazda 6. Way too small to be the new Falcon, and it will look nothing like that. Word going around is that it will look more like the Ford iosis concept, at least certain elements of the front will.

i dont like the interior at all..but i like clear side indicators :P

That's not the new Falcon. It's the new Ford Fusion that has just been released in America, and is based on the Mazda 6. Way too small to be the new Falcon, and it will look nothing like that. Word going around is that it will look more like the Ford iosis concept, at least certain elements of the front will.

yeah i heard the styling "theme" of the car will be similar to this, but obviously in sedan form and not coupe.. also dont expect the swoopy roof line either

If only mitsu would do their GT like the Ford GT's or Holden GTS

sweet brakes, heaps of power, lots of goodies !

If only mitsu would do their GT like the Ford GT's or Holden GTS

sweet brakes, heaps of power, lots of goodies !
+ RWD :badgrin:


ok ok, well AWD at least lol

THIS IS THE NEW BF FALCON.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-41.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-31.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-21.jpg

+ RWD :badgrin:


ok ok, well AWD at least lol


If it were RWD, ill have my car in the forsale section !

THIS IS THE NEW BF FALCON.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-41.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-31.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-21.jpg
where are the pics

try again BF Falcon

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-41.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-31.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/Jeremy70/ford-falcon-bf-21.jpg

let's hope the new engine in the 380 doesn't also idle like a truck like the 6G74 :doubt: ...

If it were RWD, ill have my car in the forsale section !

i don't think my car would be that far behind...my giving up AWD would be difficult. nah i'll stick with awd for the moment.

let's hope the new engine in the 380 doesn't also idle like a truck like the 6G74

i reckon my lancer ce 1.5 was worse.