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Ristof
28-09-2005, 07:34 AM
I found this website that you might find interesting

380 models (http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__carpointau/tabID__84014/ArticleID__7656/DesktopDefault.aspx)

I'm guessing this has already been put on here.

stripper13
28-09-2005, 07:41 AM
VRX Sports model offered in both manual and auto versions.

LS Luxury model offered in auto only. Says Mitsubishi: "The LS and the VRX models offer similar equipment levels. The LS appeals to the more conservative buyer, whereas, the VRX caters for the current trend for more sporty performance."

Does that line annoy anyone else?

"More SPORTY PERFORMANCE"... yet, the Base Model is going to be quicker than the VRX model.

Mitsubishi fails @ logic.

Ristof
28-09-2005, 07:43 AM
How about this

VRX Sports model offered in both manual and auto versions.
LS Luxury model offered in auto only.
LX Upper-luxury model offered in auto only.
GT Signature sports luxury model offered in auto only

VRX
28-09-2005, 08:21 AM
And the wheel specs have gone worse for the sports models.. 17 x 7 with 215 / 55 profile :confused:

J-PaP
28-09-2005, 08:46 AM
has it come to mind to anyone that maybe mitsubishi didnt bother with a higher performance sports model for the 380 simply because they dont even know if the car will sell in the first place? wait till the series 2 im sure some kind of minor improvement will be had. Another thing to notice is that the evo 9 is not limited in sales here in aus + it costs low 50k. So why would someone pay 45k for a vrx for "performance" when they can get a evo 9 for 5k more?

stripper13
28-09-2005, 08:48 AM
']has it come to mind to anyone that maybe mitsubishi didnt bother with a higher performance sports model for the 380 simply because they dont even know if the car will sell in the first place? wait till the series 2 im sure some kind of minor improvement will be had. Another thing to notice is that the evo 9 is not limited in sales here in aus + it costs low 50k. So why would someone pay 45k for a vrx for "performance" when they can get a evo 9 for 5k more?

I agree mate, but you understand where I'm coming from right? They say the VRX is for sporty performance, and it's in fact slower than the substantially cheaper Base Model.

And go Evo's.

TFBoy
28-09-2005, 08:49 AM
evo 9 and 45 or 50k "performance" magana will be aiming at differnet buyers, wonder why anyone will want a liberty gt, when you can get a sti for a bit more? :confused:

vlad
28-09-2005, 08:54 AM
Well, I was reading an old copy of wheels and it was talking about a new STI. There was no power
and torque increase but the handling improvement it has meant that it performed much better
overall than the previous model. So, the VRX and GT with better suspension etc should handle
a track better than the base models. The base models will be faster in a straight line. But how
many of us live in straight lines. Take both up or down gorge road here in Adelaide and I bet you
the GT/VRX will finish first.

CanberraVR-X
28-09-2005, 09:09 AM
I agree mate, but you understand where I'm coming from right? They say the VRX is for sporty performance, and it's in fact slower than the substantially cheaper Base Model.

And go Evo's.

As a VR-X TJ owner, I try not to remind myself that I paid $7K more than a Sports owner, for a slower car. My car has an extra 30kg of plastic on it... and the Sports is identical in engine, suspension and interior goodies. But I don't kill myself over it.

:)

philsTH
28-09-2005, 09:48 AM
Wheels says that they were going to release a high and low power engine but due to costing Mitsu put the HIGH power engine in everything, so infact all models have the high output model.

Tim-E
28-09-2005, 09:56 AM
Wheels says that they were going to release a high and low power engine but due to costing Mitsu put the HIGH power engine in everything, so infact all models have the high output model.

when i read that i just shook my head. THe fact they were even considering a lower output model than 175kW :disgusted

J-PaP
28-09-2005, 10:21 AM
how much does the 380 weigh? shouldnt we be considering power to weight rather than just power? The falcon needs more power because its so heavy. So the magna doesnt need 190kw to keep up.

VRX
28-09-2005, 12:58 PM
According to GoAuto, 0-100 is quicker than both commodore and falcon. Not sure if its manual or auto. and it says its the fastest of the lot to the 1/4 mile..looking at the figures, the VRX is actually the 2nd lightest vehicle just behind the base model....

mightymag
28-09-2005, 01:45 PM
Commodore Accliam 0 to 100: 8.3 and 400m in 15.9

Falcon Futura 0 to 100: 8.0 and 400m in 15.7

mitsubishi 380 0 to 100 7.3 and 400 in 15.3 power to weight is 107kw/tonne weight is 1625 to 1700
And these are all Auto

RJL25
28-09-2005, 01:58 PM
mitsubishi 380 0 to 100 7.3 and 400 in 15.3 power to weight is 107kw/tonne weight is 1625 to 1700
And these are all Auto

that time is actually for the base model 380 MANUAL

the auto's do 0-100 in 7.8 and 400 in 15.7

basically, theres not much between them all, they are all pretty lineball and probably comes down to who's the better driver rather then which is the quicker car

the 380 manual however is quick appreciably quicker :D

Jasons VRX
28-09-2005, 02:08 PM
that time is actually for the base model 380 MANUAL

the auto's do 0-100 in 7.8 and 400 in 15.7

basically, theres not much between them all, they are all pretty lineball and probably comes down to who's the better driver rather then which is the quicker car

the 380 manual however is quick appreciably quicker :D

Yep and that falcon time is for the four speed auto which has a terribly high first gear, it will be interesting to see what the 6 speed auto will do to the falcons times when/if ford makes it an option on the base model.

Oh and wheels state for the falcon XT (base model) auto a 7.7 0-100 time and a 15.5 quarter.

One thing that has been said on the ford forums was at the dealers launch day, the 6speed auto has dramaticly improved the XR6T, Ghia and V8's acceleration times and fuel economy noticeibly.

Tim-E
28-09-2005, 02:44 PM
MOTOR mag ran 15.28 in a manual XT BA Falcon, which was (like the base 380) the quickest BA 6 cylinder NA model. No use comparing manual 380 to auto BA.

so it seems the 380 (and the now old magna for that matter) and the Falcon are pretty close. Wheels also ran a 15.1 in a manual SV6, but the 175kW manual version is quite a bit slower.

So far it seems that the 380 is no faster than the TJ series, which is a little disappointing, but still, Im predicting that we will be seeing stock manual 380's run 14's in the hands of private owners.

CanberraVR-X
28-09-2005, 03:36 PM
..seems that the 380 is no faster than the TJ series, ....

That might be because the 380 is around 100 to 150kg heavier, depending on the models. :)

Tensixty6
28-09-2005, 05:02 PM
I've just read the motoring article on the Web Wombat site. It says in part that there are two more models of the 380 still to be released. Exceed and GTVi.

Possibly totally incorrect. Just reporting what the article says.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/mitsubishi-380.htm

magnat
28-09-2005, 05:16 PM
2-DIN security coded electronic tune AM/FM radio / CD / MP3 audio system with six speakers

Sounds good...
As long as they didnt get Kenwood to do it I will be pleased...

Did they retain the Current lay out of 6 inch upfront and 6x9's down back ???

Vormund
28-09-2005, 05:24 PM
I've just read the motoring article on the Web Wombat site. It says in part that there are two more models of the 380 still to be released. Exceed and GTVi.

Possibly totally incorrect. Just reporting what the article says.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/mitsubishi-380.htm

I think that's crap.

GT is basically GTVi, and Exceed? Well firstly it's been dropped from the Lancer range, but the LX fills the gap of a luxury version.

Check this comment:


but the omission of steering-wheel mounted controls - whether audio or cruise control - is disappointing.

THEY ARE BEHIND THE WHEEL YOU RETARD

FFEEkY
28-09-2005, 05:39 PM
'].....So why would someone pay 45k for a vrx for "performance" when they can get a evo 9 for 5k more?


...cause i wont fit in a evo.... :redface:

besides, i need the extra power to haul my fat arse around! lol

philsTH
28-09-2005, 05:46 PM
So far it seems that the 380 is no faster than the TJ series, which is a little disappointing, but still, Im predicting that we will be seeing stock manual 380's run 14's in the hands of private owners.

I'm with you on this cause Wheels has got the manual TJ vrx at 15.7 and AUTO Ralliart at 15.7 and the manual 380 at 15.3 and we all know what times the guys are getting with 3.5 manuals so do the math are we looking at the very high 13s :).

Dim
28-09-2005, 08:07 PM
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/mitsubishi-380.htm

Does anyone else think that this pic from web wombat(of the LX) looks better than the clear tail lights??

WSDsmurf
29-09-2005, 12:32 AM
i think having the same power for vrx 380 as base 380 isn't a HUGE step backwards...
coz XR6 and S or SV6 have same power as base falcons and commodores right?
their only diff is handling and trim.

so is just same as competitors...
(and HA camry 'sport'ivo still has only 145kw....LOL at that!)

and leaves room for improvement with revisions down the line... more grunt etc...

and evo9 is diff market... is noisy and not as comfy... which aint for me.

(now if only for a 380awd with more grunt somewhere in the production cycle :D)

WSD(TJ2awd-still-lighter-and-2wd-more-than-380)
[congrats mmal on getting the looks un-fugly]

Tensixty6
29-09-2005, 02:56 AM
Does anyone else think that this pic from web wombat(of the LX) looks better than the clear tail lights??

For me, the LX is the pick of the bunch.

RJL25
29-09-2005, 06:42 AM
For me, the LX is the pick of the bunch.

opinion seemed split at the launch last night.. basically you either fell head over heals in love with the VRX and GT and didnt really like the LS and LX; OR you fell head over heals in love with the LS and LX and didnt really like the VRX and GT :P

everything ofcourse is down to personal tastes, and this is where mitsubishi has done a good job in making the same car appeal to a very broud range of different tastes through different interior/exterior combinations

Tensixty6
29-09-2005, 08:46 AM
opinion seemed split at the launch last night.. basically you either fell head over heals in love with the VRX and GT and didnt really like the LS and LX; OR you fell head over heals in love with the LS and LX and didnt really like the VRX and GT :P

everything ofcourse is down to personal tastes, and this is where mitsubishi has done a good job in making the same car appeal to a very broud range of different tastes through different interior/exterior combinations

I like all of them but tend to think the LX would suit my tastes. Over 50 and all that stuff.
Also, until l see it in the flesh, l'm not sure about the tail lights on the VRX and GT, not that they would stop me buying either the VRX or GT.

Overall, l think MMAL have done a fantastic job.

I read an article from a British motoring site talking about the decision by MMAL to release the car now with the petrol situation. For crying out loud, surely these people would understand the the release date would have been made "years" ago. What do they expect Mitsubishi to do, put it off for 6 months! Some of these journo's are really dopey!

WSDsmurf
29-09-2005, 09:07 AM
WOOT! ... all models get steering wheel stereo controls, mp3 cd play. (and internal radio ariel and climate control on all models)... and they returned to putting the electric window switches on the doors....yay.

... and the dash has blu LED's :D
... and standard sunroof on LX and GT.. :)
... and it has a knock-sensor again! :D (so PULP will finally make a differance)
... and Ralliart Magna cams and valve springs :)
... "and 380 is the only Australian manufactured entry model to feature vented rear disc brakes."
... and a full size spare.

all good things.

BOosted' BOoya
29-09-2005, 12:00 PM
actually,

after reading every bit of info thats been released, from magazines to online articles,

VRX, 17's are good, but still a 18" option should be manditory!, also (and not to say they wont) but have at least 3 choices of 17s, and at least 1 18" choice, and that 18" should be

GT: 18" as standard. "GT" is a name given to the most prestige, most powerful, most demanding car in a manufacturers line up. example, Liberty GT, FPV GT, and the list goes on. i personally think 18" bare min, and a 19" upgrade. sure the 19" is big, sure 18" is big, but its becoming the norm! SS, XR8's all starting to have 18" from the factory, and they are also family cars, - but the "GT" in the 380 form needs to be the light at the end of its product line up!

it needs to stand up, it needs to be heard, it needs to be seen.

and i can hardly see the brakes behind the GT.

another line, make the GT stand out, not a VRX with a sunroof and a few bits.

a even deeper front bar, maybe a more defined bootlip spoiler, and definalte a lowering stance!

mitsu - please listen, and do at least afew of these things in your next facelift, cos seriously, the GT is nice, i want one - but add the above, and maybe everyone else will want one too!!

Kim
29-09-2005, 12:22 PM
actually,
a even deeper front bar, maybe a more defined bootlip spoiler, and definalte a lowering stance!


How about a bit of bonnet action? Vents or something - like http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/92331/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=0

I guess they'd need to do a bit of extra work under the hood to warrant that though (bigger air intakes or something).

BOosted' BOoya
29-09-2005, 12:26 PM
How about a bit of bonnet action? Vents or something - like http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/l.gif

I guess they'd need to do a bit of extra work under the hood to warrant that though (bigger air intakes or something).
styling ques i could think of for a "GT"

GTP (thats the ford one) style front bar, just a little deeper, grey/black insert front bumber,
Sideskirts with a air duct (doesnt matter if it does SFA)
BOOYA inspired rear skirt with defusers lol

ok, maybe a toned down version of the rear bar, SS style maybe? or the TL VRX limited edition, a more agro version of that - something to make a GT stand up, and make every other car around it look like a Dawoo Lanos!

bondy
29-09-2005, 12:52 PM
THEY ARE BEHIND THE WHEEL YOU RETARD

Fixed


Thanks for the heads up Lee.

I've made the change.

Cheers,
Feann.



The omission of steering-wheel mounted cruise controls is disappointing, but there are audio toggles behind the wheel (thanks Lee).

RJL25
29-09-2005, 01:02 PM
cruise control is also steering wheel mounted. There is a little stalk coming out the sideof the steering wheels which has the cruise control controls, just the same as TL magna's

bondy
29-09-2005, 01:08 PM
cruise control is also steering wheel mounted. There is a little stalk coming out the sideof the steering wheels which has the cruise control controls, just the same as TL magna's

Yeah i know. But it seemed he was just talking about the steering wheel mounted controls.

Ol' Fart
29-09-2005, 03:21 PM
Do ya reken you could modify the dunnydore V6 supacharger to fit the 380. Then you would have a sports model :think:

bondy
29-09-2005, 03:35 PM
Why?

Theres already kits around for the 6g74 from the magna. It wouldnt take much of a redesign to fit them to the 6g75.

BOosted' BOoya
29-09-2005, 03:36 PM
HOLD ON,

they said the 6G75 was made off a 3.8L Pajero right?

ive seen somewhere superchargers for the Pajero!!!!

BUT WHERE DID I SEE THEM!!! :think: