As the title suggests, i just got back from the brisbane launch :D

They started the launch with a little peice on the magna, a farewell video with footage of all the different models over the last 20 years.. it was actually kinda touching! :P

Anyway, beleive the hype fellahs, i can safely assure you that it is a brilliantly built car and the quality of the car is unbeatable! Holden, Ford and even Toyota cant hold a candle against the 380 with respect to interior comfort, quality of plastics and materials and build quality! I even enjoyed opening and closing the doors ffs! nice reassuring "thud" sound.. it really is a well built and well engineered car.

This is all i can really say about the car considering i havent driven it, but all i can say is that if it drives half as well as it looks and feels, then its gonna be a winner!

As for the individual models, the VRX is REALLY nice, i love that car, and the GT is just one step better again, i probably still wouldnt buy the GT tho cos i want a manual and its auto only for the GT :doubt: The LS and LX luxury models i wasnt as impressed with tho.. obviously they are just as well build and just as nice and so forth, but the colours and interior styling is probably best left for the 50+ age group, if your under 40 the VRX or GT is your go! Even the base model is great tho, its once again brilliant built and feels very comfy, but it also has a really good list of standard equipment. If this car is priced in the low 30's like is being suggested, it represents great value for money!

As for exterior styling, the pictures you have all seen dont do the car justice! its one of those cars that look about 50 times better in the metal and its just a really great, sporty looking car, especially the VRX and GT (obviously). The LS an LX models are clearly styled more towards the older end of the market just like the interior, but the base model still looks pretty damn nice.

Basically, as far as style, interior quality, standard equipment and comfort goes.. the carmy, falcon and commodore look and feel about 5 years behind! Sorry abobut the long post, but im a big fan :D :cool:

EDIT!! just remembered something else. There where 2 dissapointing things for me. 1) it continues the mitsubishi tradition of overly tall ride height.. my first mod would defently be to lower it, and 2) the front of the engine bay is VERY tight.. i think its going to be very difficult to even fit a decent pair of extractors here, let alone a turbo.. the current exhaust headers are VERY compact and theres stuff all space between where they finnish and where the radiator starts... if you want forced induction i think supercharging is gonna be the way to go with the 380

Alas, if only I had a spare $30k

My current job is a traineeship. Which of course means total and complete CRAP pay, no chance of ever owning a brand new 380 :( Ah well traineeship is up in a year, so after that hopefully Ill have a better job just in time for second gen 380's :D

know how you feel mate lol i cant afford one atm either

but i am hoping in about 18 months to 2 years time i might be able to get my bum into a gunmetal grey (whatever name they have given it) coloured manual VRX with leather seats and sunroof.. yep yep yep

Have you seen the Electro Blue ??

know how you feel mate lol i cant afford one atm either

but i am hoping in about 18 months to 2 years time i might be able to get my bum into a gunmetal grey (whatever name they have given it) coloured manual VRX with leather seats and sunroof.. yep yep yep


lol I hear that

Good work RJL25. Good to hear from someone who has actually seen all the models in the flesh. I myself can't wait to see it with my own eyes especially the GT / VRX. I could just imagine it having quite a road presence. I think the mitsu dealership showrooms are going to be busy these next few months. I wanna go. lol

Have you seen the Electro Blue ??

yeah they had an electric blue coloured VRX, i assume this is the colour your talking about. Its a bloody good looking colour!! my gf esepecially liked it, but i still prefer the gunmetal gray :)

just edited first post btw, remembered some more info :D

Bunch of f**king hype. The engineering is rehashed **** to me. I'm sorry, so not impressed. Completely different to what I expected, I'd be so getting a maxima ahead of this pos. I was the one who walked straight out just after all the crap and hype finished. You know that was all scripted crap being put through a computer screen? I had big hopes and dreams for this car. I'll admit, the last mitsubishis have been STUNNING build quality, and this one won't be any different. But for me, I can hear a company either going to die and this is the last gasp for air.....or the company is going to make alot of money. I hope it's the latter but I have my doubts.........

I am sorry for this view 'bashing' on the 380, but this is my honest opinion.

Bunch of f**king hype. The engineering is rehashed **** to me. I'm sorry, so not impressed. Completely different to what I expected, I'd be so getting a maxima ahead of this pos. I was the one who walked straight out just after all the crap and hype finished. You know that was all scripted crap being put through a computer screen? I had big hopes and dreams for this car. I'll admit, the last mitsubishis have been STUNNING build quality, and this one won't be any different. But for me, I can hear a company either going to die and this is the last gasp for air.....or the company is going to make alot of money. I hope it's the latter but I have my doubts.........

I am sorry for this view 'bashing' on the 380, but this is my honest opinion.

your entitled to your opinions ofcourse.. but it was kinda stupid of you to not go and look at the 6 different cars they had sitting in the backroom afterwards.. maybe if you looked and sat in them, had a poke around instead of just watching the presentation you might have a different view.... i really dont know how you can form such a strong opinion on something without even having an up close look at one? are you telling me that when the dude said "i invite you all to come back with me and have an up close and personal look at our new 380" you just walked out? man how stupid are you! lol

ofcourse the presentation at the start was scripted.. how is it possible to have a presentation that isnt scripted?? presentations dont make themselfs someone has to do them lol

I've always admired mitsubishi for it's stunningly amazing build quality. But oh my god, is the engineering in this thing in the stone age? NO question time? :nuts: and sohc? What the hell? I wanted Mivec and at least a AWD option. Let's face it, alot of the aussie market is based towards RWD. So they made it fwd and cut off ALOT of the market? :nuts:

I've always admired mitsubishi for it's stunningly amazing build quality. But oh my god, is the engineering in this thing in the stone age? NO question time? :nuts: and sohc? What the hell? I wanted Mivec and at least a AWD option. Let's face it, alot of the aussie market is based towards RWD. So they made it fwd and cut off ALOT of the market? :nuts:

do you have any idea how many FWD camry's toyota sells?

and dude, no question time? thats what the 10 mitsubishi people who where walking around out the back was for :nuts:

MMAL asked MMC for funding for the PS41 and PS41L, they wanted two different engines and two different auto trannys, they also want cash for development work on an AWD system and a turbo (the 380 ECU is already set-up for turbo). They also got cut back on funding for the PS41. So if you take into condiseration what they asked for and what they where aloud to do, the 380 is pretty damn good, they have left alot of room for future models thought. I agree, you should've had a look at the cars out the back.

I went too! AWESOME night. Well worth the visit! No cameras were allowed unfortunately, otherwise I would've had lots & lots of photos for sure!


First off, waiting outside there was quite a few people that had turned up. Most people were middle aged, like in there 40-50's, however there were still a large number of younger people.

Once we went inside to the hall, seating for at least 300(?) people was setup, along with quite a long stage along the front. On the stage was a microphone/speech stand thingo, along with 3 video projector screens suspended from the ceiling. The back wall was floor to ceiling in black curtains. Off to the side of the seating was a rather decent sized amount of tech/computer people who were controlling the AV/Multimedia aspect of the show. There was also auto-cue plasma screens setup between the stage and the seating.

After a brief introduction by someone important, they played a really cool video of the history of the Magna, as a farewell piece - highlighting when it was awarded car of the year, etc, etc - and footage of what I assume was the first generation TV commercials. This assortment of video was played in with Greenday's Time of you Life music in the background. The video ended with a somewhat brief flash of a TL/TW Magna. I was surprised there was no mention of the Ralliart Magna or AWD in these piece. But any how...

Then another speech was done.

Now a another cool video was played to introduce the 380. Turns out this footage was merely an introduction job to get everyone excited! my eyes were glued to the screen though out the entire thing. From what I do remember(!)...it was of a of a huge cargo carrier aeroplane that was shown flying through the sky, this creatively went on for a bit. Eventually the plane was shown landing on the runway with a virgin blue jet in the background. Following that was footage of the plane being taxied & reversed/guided in to an aeroplane hanger. The camera was inside the hanger, so it was like you were looking out on to the tarmac, as the plan was backed in.

As the plane got closer, and the rear tailgate/ramp on the plane started to open, heaps of smoke/fog started appearing on the screen. I was so waiting/wanting the 380 to drop it's clutch and come wheel spinning out of the back, doing some rally bread style driving in the process! <insert red-lining engine sounds> But that didn't happen. *sigh*

Instead! Smoke/fog started appearing on the stage itself! Thats right, the physical one, not the one on the screens! At this stage, the centre projector went white, and it's screen was hoisted up, whilst more importantly (!!!) the curtains behind the stage started to open up.

At least, the masterpiece was visible in it's flesh! A highly polished metallic red 380GT! It was parked on a rotating base, so we good see the entire thing in it's glory. A high-powered stage light then did a few swirls of it as the smoke cleared.

/me admires :cool:

In no time, an executive fella was back up on stage again. I think another guy might've been introduced now (?), then they did a slide show about the different models and how they all fit together in the range. They also talked about decline in large car sales (which is still in the lead compared to all the cars sold anyway), the decline of waggon sales, along with the trend to wards sedans within the large car market instead.

They showed a slide / chart how they think the 380 fits in compared to the commo/falcon/camry/mazda6/etc on a large car vs sportiness scale. The 380 was about in the middle. He said MMAL had done it's biggest very amount of market research ever in order to try and make a car that people wanted. In which case was a large car with bit sportiness to it. (can't remember his exact words).


I think they then played another short video clip.


Then I think the head/national sales manager got up on stage and started the sales pitch style slide show, comparing the 380 against it's vivals. A few claims included the following that I remember:
*First off was 0-100k/hr times! "Not that you'd do this at the traffic lights" or words to that effect was jokingly said. They said the 380 was faster than unnamed Competitors 1, 2, & 3. 380 had a time of 7.seconds, followed by 7.8, 8sec something, and 9seconds.
* Talked about having the best fuel economy compared to the Commodore, Falcon & Camy. 380 had 10.8 on it's sticker. I can't remember the others. Dammit I should've brought a tape recorder!
* Talked about better braking. 43m VS 46m for the next best car out of commo/falcon/camry.
* Talked up FWD, as being safer and more predicable. They also dropped in, that being FWD this allows them to have the fuel tank in front of the rear axle, to help with stability(?) and it's safer in a rear end collision
* Ah yes, they also talked about front end crash crumbling, so the engine bay takes the hit instead of the cabin. "but we don't want you to try that one out" :D
* Naturally they went on about 5/10 warranty, 5yr roadside assistance that's included, etc etc.
* At some stage a dyno chart was shown, and they talked about how the engine is very torquey, from 1500rpm up wards. They stated that gearing hasn't been rigged to pull these figures off, claiming that reviewers/test drivers seem to agree they have smooth power across the whole range.
* And there was no mention of turning circles! Surprise Surprise lol

Another video was probably played, as this seemed to be the trend between speech changes. Some guy got up again and started to talk about the Advertising campaign we are about to see. He said we are going to see one of the biggest advertising campaigns you've ever seen from Mitsubishi. During this talk we were shown some TV commercials that were nearing completion.

I would've liked to have seen another cool racing ad like that TJ AWD one that got banned. However this one was much more cinermatically done. It was quite a slick advertisement, which must've costed $$$$$ & even more $$$ to produce. Infact there was no wheel spinning, and quite calm acceleration, instead shots of people lifting up and carrying big sections of road - later shown to be replacing them like a jigsaw puzzle so you had such a good road for a good car. Well that's kinda how it went :p

They also showed slides of print ads, with some catching phases, based around the entire campaign's motto of "Love The Road".

Then the presentation was closed off, and we were all then invited behind the stage area. This section of the hall had 6 x 380's on display. One of each model, along with 2 x GT's. The cars were unlocked, so we were able to leisurely able to go around and inspect them. Sit in them, open the bonnet, look under them, etc etc. We were served free beer, drinks, and a few snacks! The beer was quite nice btw too. :)

After spending who knows how long looking at them all, we then finally started to leave. Unfortunately they didn't let me take one home *sigh* ha-ha :p

It looks good guys!

Part 2: things I noticed when inspecting!

THE END :)

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As opposed to falcons and commodores :P Last time I walked into a mitsubishi dealer. Some ****head salesperson wouldn't let me take a test drive off the bat, and wanted me to buy a ****ty handling mirage just because it was brand new......ah well. I DO hope this is what mitsubishi needs. I hope they don't go bankrupt. But personally it doesn't tickle me the right way, and all this crap about sporty handling? What is that all about? There's probably 20 different (maybe a bit of an over-estimate) ways mitsubishi could take this model down. So I guess it's just the start of something different. Good luck.

How did you guys get invite for this event???

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I HAD MY CAMERA WITH ME MATE!!! but they wouldnt let us use them!!! they said right at the start "even tho pictures of the car has been revealed to the public, we would appreciate your co-operation in not photographing the car"

I went. I'm very dissapointed in it. It's to small in reality, the boot is smaller than the magna, there is less rear leg room when the seat is set back, but the seats are very very very comfortable. You can see every little hand/rub mark on the paint when somebody touches it, that will be very annoying. It's still to high off the ground. Where is the GPS option? The sports suspension looked very soft when looking at all the people getting in and out of it. That ****ing presentation was way to pushy sort of thing. The were way over selling the car.

Oh u gotta take off the strut brace to get the battery out :nuts:

It's a nice car but its in a class of its own. It's to small for commodore and falcon but to big for the mid sized car market.

Oh well that's me, cya

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Well, looks like we have a split down the middle....CAN THOSE BASTERDS TURN THE F**KING SOUND DOWN!!! I had to sit there with my fingers in my ears. God damn it mitsubishi, your selling a car, not a audo system, ffs.......either way, the way I look at it, the car SUCKED! This is the path they are going to go down, so they better option it up quickly. I'm actually now of the mind they concentrated so much on build quality and reliability (how else do you explain a big sohc) that they pretty much just had to toss a engine in and call it a 380 :P I can't wait till the next revision.

respect your opinion mate.. but i would respect it alot more if you had bothered to actually look at the car rather then base your opinion on the quality of the presentation :nuts:

Sports also wasnt that impressed, but atleast he actually LOOKED at the car

Bahaha, you ****ing crack me up. Base my opinion on the quality of the presentation? You crack me up.......MY BEEF IS NOT WITH THE ****ING DESIGN OR THE QUALITY (I know mitsubishi build quality now is world class). MY BEEF IS WITH THE LACK OF QUALITY ENGINEERING. No mivec.......no rwd....awd.....etc etc......lacklustre (for me) features. Get the picture? Somehow I don't think a mivec engine would of jumped onto my lap if I had bothered to look at the cars, so I didn't. What's your problem?

Bahaha, you ****ing crack me up. Base my opinion on the quality of the presentation? You crack me up.......MY BEEF IS NOT WITH THE ****ING DESIGN OR THE QUALITY (I know mitsubishi build quality now is world class). MY BEEF IS WITH THE LACK OF QUALITY ENGINEERING. No mivec.......no rwd....awd.....etc etc......lacklustre (for me) features. Get the picture? Somehow I don't think a mivec engine would of jumped onto my lap if I had bothered to look at the cars, so I didn't. What's your problem?

if thats your problem then why are you complaining so much about the presentation? lol

i can understand your gripe with the lack of perceived technology, but im a big believer in its more important how a car drives, then whats on the spec list.. if the spec list was the most important feature of a car we would all by driving honda accord V6's (note i didnt say euro) which has DOHC VTEC engines and stuff.. yet it has been getting incredibly bad reviews because all that technology does not a good car make

also look at the alloytec V6, DOHC variable valve timing, yet i can safely say from first hand experience my SOHC 3.5 with no variable valve timing ****s all over it for responsiveness and driveability

Because the presentation was pretty pathetic from where I was standing. Just the feeding of scripts...the bloody loudness etc etc....

Sorry, I prefer my cars with technology under the bonnet and not in the cockpit. If I wanted sporty handling, I'd buy an S13 silvia.....oh wait.....that's what's in my garage. :badgrin:

Because the presentation was pretty pathetic from where I was standing. Just the feeding of scripts...the bloody loudness etc etc....

Sorry, I prefer my cars with technology under the bonnet and not in the cockpit. If I wanted sporty handling, I'd buy an S13 silvia.....oh wait.....that's what's in my garage. :badgrin:

oh well cant please everyone i guess, there are always going to be people who buy cars based on whats on the specs sheet and not based on how it drives

your entitled to your opinion ofcourse, i just dont agree with it, and judging from the many people i talked to while looking at the cars tonight, i would guestimate that probably 90% of the people liked the car

Bahaha, you ****ing crack me up. Base my opinion on the quality of the presentation? You crack me up.......MY BEEF IS NOT WITH THE ****ING DESIGN OR THE QUALITY (I know mitsubishi build quality now is world class). MY BEEF IS WITH THE LACK OF QUALITY ENGINEERING. No mivec.......no rwd....awd.....etc etc......lacklustre (for me) features. Get the picture? Somehow I don't think a mivec engine would of jumped onto my lap if I had bothered to look at the cars, so I didn't. What's your problem?
You keep going on about quality engineering and stuff, but you drive a silvia :nuts:
Enough said.
And like RJL25 said, what's the use of all the technology and engineering, if the car feels like **** to drive? Yes, they may call the VRX and GT sporty, and i believe it is compaired to the luxury models, but it ain't no skyline or Ford GT or Monaro. If you want a more sportier car, then dont look at the 380 and complain about it. Go somewhere else and look at a proper sports car and pay more for it.

I personally think its a nice car. They have done well and has good and usefull features. Yes, a AWD model would be nice, but it ain't necessary at the moment. There will be a series 2 anyways. Well, sooner or later. And who knows what might happen.

I respect your comments, but i think without having driven it and even seen it up close, you cant really say anything.

bendertiger, are you actually an engineer? cos if you're not how can you comment on whether or not the engineering in the car is good or not. do you even know why a DOHC is better than a SOHC?

Sorry if I've upset anyone, just an honest opinion from someone else. for me, it's all about the mechanical engineering (and of course a build quality that doesn't lend the car to falling apart). All about the cars. The reasons why I didn't bother to inspect this car is there was no point personally for me since I KNOW mitsubishi build quality is top notch (I should know, I tell everyone what I think of it) and I didn't like the fact it looked like a rehashed US galant. Though especially what turned me off was the lack of mivec. That was the killer. I'm sorry, it may work, and it may work very well. But I enjoy my technology. Geek at heart :)

And yes, I know about the technology, that's why I have people asking my opinions on cars and car components quite often.

I'd drive it if given the chance. But not impressed with it. A new engine is going to drive great anyway, and I drive the silvia because it's simple, was designed insanely well for the purpose and gets the job done.

DOHC doesnt actually make for a better engine then SOHC.. the SOHC heads on the 380 and magna still have 4 valves per cylinder, just like a DOHC, but at the same time its more compact and lighther then DOHC.. so tell me why is DOHC necessarily better?

Ok, Based on the Information from the AMC members who have seen the 380 , Yes it is a Great Car but , most people read Reviews before buying a Car and Sadly that is all on paper which for the consumer is gospel (OK may be not paper but Screens are the next best thing.)

1.Now look at the engine design, a 3.8 litre SOHC with 175kw on tap... That to me is not inspiring... SOHC engines are a thing of the Dinosaur Era I mean nearly all small cars have DOHC engines and the smoothness of 16Valves...

2.According to Reviews and the Members , Yes the Door Handles Felt cheap... If this is something Both have picked up then this is something all will pick up...
The little Detaikls you notice will make and Break a car..

3. Pricing needs to be lowered.. Not many families can Afford to buy a $30G car. a Base Model should be sold in the Low 20's to attract buyers... Look at Proton and their Waja, a Complete sales flop because they set the Pricing too high for most families...
No one will pay 30G if the car is only worth $25G....

Once we have a Member who actually gets to Own one we will all have to wait ...
as only when a Member has Driven it and Street Dragged a Commodore will we know if the 380 is worth the price..

it may work, and it may work very well. But I enjoy my technology. Geek at heart :)

if your truly a geek at heart then you must also enjoy efficiency, for example the ability to produce something that is just as good as something with lots of technology, with considerably less technology and therefore less weight, less complexity and less cost.. kinda like how the 380 engine produces just as much power as the alloytec V6, with considerbly less complex and expensive technology

Because the presentation was pretty pathetic from where I was standing. Just the feeding of scripts...the bloody loudness etc etc....

Sorry, I prefer my cars with technology under the bonnet and not in the cockpit. If I wanted sporty handling, I'd buy an S13 silvia.....oh wait.....that's what's in my garage. :badgrin:

Mate you truely are an idiot! How about you ACTUALLY drive the car before commenting on it! :nuts: How can you assume it doesn't have sporty handling if you've never driven it? I think you must have gone to the wrong presentation. This is a presentation for a $33,000 family sedan, not a $600,000 Lambourghini Murcielago! The average Australian with a family to cater for wouldn't consider a "sporty" Silvia because their family wouldn't fit in one! Just because family sedans aren't classified as "sports cars" doesn't mean they can't be "sporty"

Mate you truely are an idiot! How about you ACTUALLY drive the car before commenting on it! :nuts: How can you assume it has sporty handling if you've never driven it? I think you must have gone to the wrong presentation. This is a presentation for a $33,000 Mitsubishi 380, not a $600,000 Lambourghini Murcielago!

Driving what car now? Can assume what has sporty handling?

if your truly a geek at heart then you must also enjoy efficiency, for example the ability to produce something that is just as good as something with lots of technology, with considerably less technology and therefore less weight, less complexity and less cost.. kinda like how the 380 engine produces just as much power as the alloytec V6, with considerbly less complex and expensive technology

Yes but look at the engine size.. a 3.8 litre V6 versus a DOHC 3.6..
With Petrol prices the way they are, literage is going to count...

magnat - agree with your points about pricing, however based on what i have seen so far i truly believe it is worth 30k, and then some! and i dissagree that most families cant afford 30k because commodore has been australias best selling car for about a thousand years and the 380 is actually suppose to be CHEAPER then the commodore.. so if families can afford to buy a commodore, they can afford to buy a 380

Since you have seen the car and it meets your expectations I will take your word for it.. I will wait and see when it hits my Area and then check it out for my self...The only thing I will be checking is if they have improved or lowered the standards on the Car audio system :bowrofl:

Since you have seen the car and it meets your expectations I will take your word for it.. I will wait and see when it hits my Area and then check it out for my self...The only thing I will be checking is if they have improved or lowered the standards on the Car audio system :bowrofl:

yeah alot will come down to personal tastes ofcourse, and i also havent driven it yet so i guess final judgement is still to come..

and i was also really keen to know about the stereo! stupid mitsubishi dude wouldnt let me turn it on and crank it up :doubt:

Since you have seen the car and it meets your expectations I will take your word for it.. I will wait and see when it hits my Area and then check it out for my self...The only thing I will be checking is if they have improved or lowered the standards on the Car audio system :bowrofl:
HAHAHAHA

yeah alot will come down to personal tastes ofcourse, and i also havent driven it yet so i guess final judgement is still to come..

and i was also really keen to know about the stereo! stupid mitsubishi dude wouldnt let me turn it on and crank it up :doubt:

if it was anything like the Old Magna's you could have just pushed the power button...

if it was anything like the Old Magna's you could have just pushed the power button...

tried that.. didnt work, it needs the ignition to be turned on

How did you guys get invite for this event???

I too would like to know how to get an invite.
And when is the Melbourne one on. Might have to gate crash it.

Gee whizz, this launch has caused bit of a stir with some... :rant:
Im still gonna go to the WA 380 launch but it is on October the 10th over here :confused: Anyway, i think i will make my own decision on the car and the way its launched here when I go to the presentation :D :D :D

1.Now look at the engine design, a 3.8 litre SOHC with 175kw on tap... That to me is not inspiring... SOHC engines are a thing of the Dinosaur Era I mean nearly all small cars have DOHC engines and the smoothness of 16Valves...


Once we have a Member who actually gets to Own one we will all have to wait ...
as only when a Member has Driven it and Street Dragged a Commodore will we know if the 380 is worth the price..

SOHC may be a thing of the past but it doesn't mean every car should have it! Sure DOHC is better on some applications (not necessarily all!), yet with SOHC it still gets the job done just as well.

And what I particularly admire Mitsubishi's engineering for is the ability to not only get that much power out of a SOHC engine without VVT and all the usual ones you hear, and yet still making the engine as economical, efficient, quiet and smooth as possible. If you think of it that way, imagine what they could do given the $$ to invest in DOHC, VVT, MIVEC; the lot on the 380! Of course, this would also be a pointless exercise if the power is still put through the ground through the front wheels.

This is possibly a major concern they had when achieving their power figures, people don't tend to be ever satisfied with what they have...you give em 178kw: they want more!, yet you give em 184kw and they complain their life away about how the wheels keep spinning and what not! There is no doubt in my mind that they could've pumped out 190, maybe even a maximum of 200kw from the same engine, yet what's the point.

Oh and if you want to get technical, this engine has got quite a fair bit of technology in it, just that its not very obvious or very common. More about it here (http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.mitsubishi.2005.engine.PS41.05jun.html) if you want a brief overview.


Yes but look at the engine size.. a 3.8 litre V6 versus a DOHC 3.6..

Well yes, if you give the average large car buyer a choice for the best fuel economy between:

a) A Double OverHead Camshaft 3.6L V6 &
b) A Single OverHead Camshaft 3.8L V6

Of course they would choose engine a) as it would in theory have so much better fuel economy! Yet, luckily all new cars have a fuel economy sticker on the inside of the windscreen so that consumers can make an informed decision ;) Apparently the 380 has a lower fuel consumption than the competition for now (10.8L/100km). And funnily enough, soon to be outdone by the 4.0L BF Falcon engine! It's not the size, its how you use it ;)

Well yes, if you give the average large car buyer a choice for the best fuel economy between:

a) A Double OverHead Camshaft 3.6L V6 &
b) A Single OverHead Camshaft 3.8L V6

Of course they would choose engine a) as it would in theory have so much better fuel economy! Yet, luckily all new cars have a fuel economy sticker on the inside of the windscreen so that consumers can make an informed decision ;) Apparently the 380 has a lower fuel consumption than the competition for now (10.8L/100km). And funnily enough, soon to be outdone by the 4.0L BF Falcon engine! It's not the size, its how you use it ;)

You read my mind aRDEi. Not to mention the higher tech DOHC Alloytec V6 for example didn't win too many fans even by the car reviewers. The engine sounded just as bad as the old ecotec and did not have much torque available in the lower rev range. Now compare that to a "lower tech" 6G75 in the 380 I haven't heard any complaints on anything yet. The fact that the engine is a redesigned 6574 hopefully it sounds just as sweet.

Tho its nice to have new technology ie. mivec, dohc cams etc, its not necessary to have to make a good engine. For what it is ie. sohc, no mivec etc, I think the 6G75 puts out some respectable figures. I'm sure there are improvements to come for the engine considering the lack of new technology which is promising indeed.

I too would like to know how to get an invite.
And when is the Melbourne one on. Might have to gate crash it.

im not quite sure how i got the invite, but im fairly sure its cos i registered my interest for the car on the official 380 website.. although i also bought a brand new magna in the last 12 months so that also may have had something to do with it.. it was one of those two reasons :P

i also bought a brand new magna in the last 12 months so that also may have had something to do with it.. it was one of those two reasons :P
i bought my verada in jan, i didn't get an invite! :(

i bought my verada in jan, i didn't get an invite! :(

must be to do with registering my interest on the website then

dont worry it will be at the dealerships soon enough, go have a play then :cool:

... Apparently the 380 has a lower fuel consumption than the competition for now (10.8L/100km). And funnily enough, soon to be outdone by the 4.0L BF Falcon engine! It's not the size, its how you use it ;)

When you analyse that Falcon figure, it applies to the absolute scientific testing they do under ADR 80/01. The car in question has a six speed tippy, so it manages 8.4 on the steady 100km/h cycle, and 15.4 in the city. The 'average' of the two in a mix of so many k's of city, plus so many k's in the hwy, gives the overall 10.6. And I don't know if every BF is going to get the 6spd.

Cheers! :)

And I don't know if every BF is going to get the 6spd.

Cheers! :)
i belive the only BF's that will get a 6auto are;
-XR6T (not the N/A 6)
-XR8
-FPV cars
-Fairmont Ghia

i dont think any of the "falcons" will get it, they will keep the 4tippy. just the "higher class" falcons will get the 6auto.

both canberraVRX and Booya are correct, the much fabled 6speed falc will give better fuel economy no doubt, but you have to pay for it! Most "budget concious" familes wont be able to afford a fairmont, XR6T or XR8, their car will be the base model with the same old 4speeder and high fuel consumption. The base model 380 not only represents better value for money imo as far as features and price goes, but it also uses measuraly less fuel then the falcon XT

I've always admired mitsubishi for it's stunningly amazing build quality. But oh my god, is the engineering in this thing in the stone age? NO question time? :nuts: and sohc? What the hell? I wanted Mivec and at least a AWD option. Let's face it, alot of the aussie market is based towards RWD. So they made it fwd and cut off ALOT of the market? :nuts:

front wheel = more economical idiot, with the rising fuel prices they might just be able to sell on this alone

use your brain, god gave it to you for a reason you know

Because the presentation was pretty pathetic from where I was standing. Just the feeding of scripts...the bloody loudness etc etc....

Sorry, I prefer my cars with technology under the bonnet and not in the cockpit. If I wanted sporty handling, I'd buy an S13 silvia.....oh wait.....that's what's in my garage. :badgrin:

its a familiy car.....

Bahaha, you ****ing crack me up. Base my opinion on the quality of the presentation? You crack me up.......MY BEEF IS NOT WITH THE ****ING DESIGN OR THE QUALITY (I know mitsubishi build quality now is world class). MY BEEF IS WITH THE LACK OF QUALITY ENGINEERING. No mivec.......no rwd....awd.....etc etc......lacklustre (for me) features. Get the picture? Somehow I don't think a mivec engine would of jumped onto my lap if I had bothered to look at the cars, so I didn't. What's your problem?

Check out the latest Wheels mag....there's quite a bit of info on the development history of the 380 in there. Mid-life update of the 380 due out in 2007 or 2008 (can't remember which) is supposedely getting different engine options all with MIVEC. An AWD is also on the cards.

Sure the 380 is SOHC, FWD, etc, but MMAL hands were tied. MMC knocked back a lot of their funding and ideas.

front wheel = more economical idiot, with the rising fuel prices they might just be able to sell on this alone

use your brain, god gave it to you for a reason you know


OK, Time for a Reality Check here..
Common people do not know FWD are more economical.
All the common joe will see is 3.8litre V6.. Not a Economical Sized engine..

Even though we all know better then this you have to realise there are people out their who have next to no car knowledge and will only look at what is written on paper...
Sorry but it is reality..
You could release an 8 litre V10 with better Fuel economy then a 1.1 litre 3 Cylinder but people are going to go 8 LITRES !!! no way can I afford to run this thing...
Its part of human nature not to go past the obvious...

OK, Time for a Reality Check here..
Common people do not know FWD are more economical.
All the common joe will see is 3.8litre V6.. Not a Economical Sized engine..

EXCEPT! although australians take fuel economy into account, alot of australians have a preference for large capacity engines. Sounds stupid i know, but its a reality that australians want a large capacity engine.

Take my parents for example. when they went car shopping they looked at a subaru liberty flat 6, their exact words where "only a 3.0litre 6? thats too bloody small, it wont be powerful enough and it wont last long, its too small for a 6"

Now i know that sounds stupid and it isnt correct at all, but thats what people who know nothing about cars think, and they arent alone, they refered this information onto 5 other couples at a dinner party, all of whom dont know much about cars, and all agreed that it was too small an engine for a 6.. one comenting "why would i want such a small engine when i can get a commodore for the same price with a much bigger engine?"

i know it all sounds very dumb and stupid that australians have a strong preference for a large capacity engine even tho they want an economical car, but its fact. Market research has proven this time and time again, and not just mitsubishi's.. why do you think holden went for the largest capacity possible of the new alloytec?? Most australians have been brought up to believe that theres no substitue for cubic inches, and this isnt a mind set that is going to change overnight

Very Valid point.. Yes We seem to be very hungry for Cubic inches when it comes to those who can afford to run them but most of the population are now more Size conscious then ever before...They want Small engines that can create Big power for little fuel, look at the Pruis.. It seems to have picked up in popularity...

I can agree in a large Family car such as the 380,it would not sell very well if it had a 1.6 litre engine in it but Mitsubishi could have at least stuck a Revised 6g72 DOHC as an option??

Very Valid point.. Yes We seem to be very hungry for Cubic inches when it comes to those who can afford to run them but most of the population are now more Size conscious then ever before...They want Small engines that can create Big power for little fuel, look at the Pruis.. It seems to have picked up in popularity...

I can agree in a large Family car such as the 380,it would not sell very well if it had a 1.6 litre engine in it but Mitsubishi could have at least stuck a Revised 6g72 DOHC as an option??

yep i know what you mean. It really depends on what the fuel price is going to do now, yes the price is high, but if it stays where it is pretty much, in a year or so people will be use to the price and will have adjusted to it, just like we have in the past as the price of fuel has risen over time. I think the fuel situation will only be a problem for MMAL if the price of fuel keeps rising, which it may do in the short term, but in the longer term the price of fuel WILL platue out and maybe even reduce a bit. Its never gonna get back under a dollar i dont think, but it will probably stablise at around 1.10-1.20, now that seems bloody expensive, but in time australians will become use to it and will have adapated to it, its still bloody cheap compared to most other places in the world! especially the US, yet the US still buys big engined cars

whats with 175kw not enough? If you want a mitsu sports car buy an evo not a 380 :bowrofl:

EXCEPT! although australians take fuel economy into account, alot of australians have a preference for large capacity engines. Sounds stupid i know, but its a reality that australians want a large capacity engine.

Take my parents for example. when they went car shopping they looked at a subaru liberty flat 6, their exact words where "only a 3.0litre 6? thats too bloody small, it wont be powerful enough and it wont last long, its too small for a 6"

Now i know that sounds stupid and it isnt correct at all, but thats what people who know nothing about cars think, and they arent alone, they refered this information onto 5 other couples at a dinner party, all of whom dont know much about cars, and all agreed that it was too small an engine for a 6.. one comenting "why would i want such a small engine when i can get a commodore for the same price with a much bigger engine?"

i know it all sounds very dumb and stupid that australians have a strong preference for a large capacity engine even tho they want an economical car, but its fact. Market research has proven this time and time again, and not just mitsubishi's.. why do you think holden went for the largest capacity possible of the new alloytec?? Most australians have been brought up to believe that theres no substitue for cubic inches, and this isnt a mind set that is going to change overnight

it doesnt sound stupid locally and the car culture here is to blame. tell anyone in in britain or asia where fuel is very expensive that you have a 3L magna they reckon you're nuts, let alone a 6L LS2. fuel used to be cheap, making cubic inches an irrelevant factor when buying a car.

whats with 175kw not enough? If you want a mitsu sports car buy an evo not a 380 :bowrofl:

exactly, some people of here seem to think they can buy at a family car price yet have the power of a sports car

i think it definatley has more than enough power for its intended use, that being a family sedan... its NOT by any means a sports car... sure there is the VRX and the GT, but they are still family cars, with a bit of sporting flair, again with sufficient power to be a family car... if people are going to buy this car with their mind set on it being a "SPORTS" car, well then they are :nuts:

whens its official on sale date, i want a gt :badgrin:

whens its official on sale date, i want a gt :badgrin:
yep!! i want one too!!

anyone hear me? "GROUPBUY"

hahhahahaha

about 6 paramedics i know in alice springs went to our local ford/FPV dealer,
3 x MKII XR8's
2 x XR6T Utes
1 x FPV Persuit Ute later,

all with average of 8500 off RRP ... not a bad day for the sales man :cool:

can we all just agree that some people will like it and some will not. There is no need to argue ones point.

This car is just like the TL and the TJ, some pleople liked it and some do not.

as for power and size, it is true most australians will not look at a car under 2L. If we had the sought of tax they do in europe things would change quick.

My 3.5 has power, but when is enough power really enough.

Personnaly i will always want more, why? because i can, that's my view.

So for now lets all just get allong. :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

exactly, some people of here seem to think they can buy at a family car price yet have the power of a sports car

well ummm.. you kinda can.... holden SV8 anyone? around 40k which is defently family car money, but more power then alot of sports cars

dont get me wrong i think the 380 has enough power, but it is possible to get more powerful sedans for the money if thats your thing

My 3.5 has power, but when is enough power really enough.


NEVARRR!!

I went to the launch last night too, bloody brilliant!!! :cool:

Who was the complete tosser leaving straight away. lol

Anyways got to sit in them, play with the controls and free beer!!! :D

This car is comfortable, I am not talking leather lounge comfy, I am talking drive me to cairns and back in this thing and still want more.

The dash, oooohhh the dash, it is soooooooo cool, even the base is just soooo dam cool, the base model seems like something that should be further up the range but it is'nt, so far ahead for a base model, very well equiped.

It does look just like a coupe, infact that is the first thing I said when I seen it.

The colours they have come up with really complement the cars, they are wicked, no crap colours in the range at all.

I am sure the red and blue will be huge favourites, and the stealth (black).

Finally the mags look decent, something that made me breathe a sigh of relief.

And the quality and finish, to die for, I actually had pleasure in shutting the doors and opening them, hehehe. Everything is solid as a rock, everything closes with a reasuring noise that this car is pure quality.

The shape, holy toledo, the shape, no photo can do this vehicle justice, it has to be seen in the flesh, it is the most sexy family sedan on the planet full stop, imagine a four door coupe and that is it.

the seating position for the driver fitted me like a glove, even a couple of guys who where 6'2 fitted in no probs at all.

Everyone I talked to loved the car, especially the lady folk, they droolled over it.

And yes it has the best 0-100 of all the family cars, the best fuel economy, even when the new falcon comes out, the best braking of them all.

And yeah, the falcon and commodore are just really looking old and dated beside the 380, the 380 looks like something that would be released 3-4 years down the track.

What else can I say, I am getting one, the manual VRX in black thankyou very much.

I actually had pleasure in shutting the doors and opening them, hehehe. Everything is solid as a rock, everything closes with a reasuring noise that this car is pure quality.

hahaha i was sitting in the back seat continuously opening and closing the door, some lady goes "yes its a door love *giggle*" to which i just said "try it for yourself, best feeling door i have ever used" she did, then responded with "wow i never knew opening and closing a door could feel good, but this atually does!

hahaha i was sitting in the back seat continuously opening and closing the door, some lady goes "yes its a door love *giggle*" to which i just said "try it for yourself, best feeling door i have ever used" she did, then responded with "wow i never knew opening and closing a door could feel good, but this atually does!

Hahaha, same deal again with the instrument panel lights, one bloke turns them on and everyones like "ooohhhhh holy crap that looks unreal" and then everyone had a go,,,hahaha.

Sorry, for everyone that does'nt know, the lights glow a dark blue colour and the needles and fine points glow hot red, the instruments themselves are surrounded by chrome rings and it all sits on carbon fibre, the hottest looking thing you eva seen baby!!!

haha yeah the guages where sh!t hot and everyone was playing with them!!

well ummm.. you kinda can.... holden SV8 anyone? around 40k which is defently family car money, but more power then alot of sports cars

dont get me wrong i think the 380 has enough power, but it is possible to get more powerful sedans for the money if thats your thing

dont mean to argue, but a sv8 is still a family car not a sports car, not very powerful or quick for its engine size. A 3.5l vrx would eat it for dinner and they are both still family cars.

dont mean to argue, but a sv8 is still a family car not a sports car, not very powerful or quick for its engine size. A 3.5l vrx would eat it for dinner and they are both still family cars.

you didnt say a sports car, you said sports car power, which an SV8 certainly has.

and also, dont mean to argue BUT if you honestly think a 3.5 VRX would eat it for dinner.. well obviously you have never driven a gen3 equiped commodore (or atleast a healthy one anyway)

The Interior looks sweet but I still want to find out what Company they used to do the Stereo, was it Eurovox or did they do an Inhouse arrangment again with Eclipse ??

you didnt say a sports car, you said sports car power, which an SV8 certainly has.

and also, dont mean to argue BUT if you honestly think a 3.5 VRX would eat it for dinner.. well obviously you have never driven a gen3 equiped commodore (or atleast a healthy one anyway)

Yeah SV8's are quick.

Pity the rest of the car is cheap nasty looking **** though.

i think mitsubishi use clarion now days??

Yeah SV8's are quick.

Pity the rest of the car is cheap nasty looking **** though.

i agree

My insiders say they used Eurovox again... they could be wrong but I doubt it... damn it...

i agree

The SV8 is built for the guy/girl that wants a bit of performance without all the weight adding junk (a bit like the performance cars in the old days) Stripper performance i think they call it.

Just imagine if MMAL had built the ralliart without the bodykit, power windows, big stereo etc etc and sold them for say $35000, it wouldve been nice.

The SV8 is built for the guy/girl that wants a bit of performance without all the weight adding junk (a bit like the performance cars in the old days) Stripper performance i think they call it.

Just imagine if MMAL had built the ralliart without the bodykit, power windows, big stereo etc etc and sold them for say $35000, it wouldve been nice.

i agree, the concept is great, i was refering to poor build quality tho and an ugly interior which all commodores have

i agree, the concept is great, i was refering to poor build quality tho and an ugly interior which all commodores have

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: Couldnt agree more with ya on that point.

Gooowwhhh - plenty of opinions. All to their own.
But I'm not gonna take any interest if the ashtray doesn't have a light and it's not upholstered with Persian silk. :cool:

I might do a test drive once it shows up to Liverpool Mitsu. If they let me.....

Ok I dont think anybody has commented on the rear leg room. How do they say its got more than the falcon? Did anybody actually see the leg room when the chair was back? Magnas have more room there, hell my Girlfriends Kia Rio has about the same room back there. Oh and the boot is way to small.

But it's a nice car, it will sell.

It's just a pretender really, it's not in the commodore falcon size league. It's to small for them and to big for the medium market.

Strut brace is stupid and in the way of the battery when it needs to come out

Ok I dont think anybody has commented on the rear leg room. How do they say its got more than the falcon? Did anybody actually see the leg room when the chair was back? Magnas have more room there, hell my Girlfriends Kia Rio has about the same room back there. Oh and the boot is way to small.

dude who drives a car with the seat right back? seriously the 380's front seats moved so far that unless you where 7"5' you wouldnt have the seat back that far! when the seats where moved into position for people to get comfortable in, all of a sudden there was a HUGE amount of leg room!

Also, if you put the front seats in a TL magna right back as far as they will go, there is VERY little legroom for the rear seats, so its nothing new

i found the rear seat to be VERY comfortable and spacious

dude who drives a car with the seat right back? seriously the 380's front seats moved so far that unless you where 7"5' you wouldnt have the seat back that far! when the seats where moved into position for people to get comfortable in, all of a sudden there was a HUGE amount of leg room!

Also, if you put the front seats in a TL magna right back as far as they will go, there is VERY little legroom for the rear seats, so its nothing new

i found the rear seat to be VERY comfortable and spacious

Exactly, there is heaps of room for rear passengers, more then magna.

if you drive with the seat ALL THE WAY back - id consider you to be a back seat driver lol

oh - and i hope your girlfriends head doesnt knock the steering wheel too much :bowrofl:

there is no way you'd be able to drive all the way back hahahha

I reckon it's better being smaller compared to the commodore/falcon personally.
But it was still quite roomy for me!

Smaller boot yes, but it's still quite a decent size, with room for a sub or two. Smaller boot also means more bass!!!

If anything, the engine bay is WAY smaller than before.

front wheel = more economical idiot, with the rising fuel prices they might just be able to sell on this alone

use your brain, god gave it to you for a reason you know

Right mate.......uses .1l less per 100 then the closest nearest competitor??? BIG ****ING IMPROVEMENT (wank wank)

its a familiy car.....

No **** it's a family car. So why were they pushing it so hard on the 'sporty' feel???

Check out the latest Wheels mag....there's quite a bit of info on the development history of the 380 in there. Mid-life update of the 380 due out in 2007 or 2008 (can't remember which) is supposedely getting different engine options all with MIVEC. An AWD is also on the cards.

Sure the 380 is SOHC, FWD, etc, but MMAL hands were tied. MMC knocked back a lot of their funding and ideas.

Mate.......to be completely honest, if that happens I'll be VERY VERY VERY tempted to come back and BUY one of the basterds! I judge a car based on alot of things....if they mivec'd the existing motor and made it awd. I'd jump on it. But, got to realise, ALL the magnas have been sigma/diamante ripoffs, now this one is an american galant rip off in my eyes. Looks like a ****ing focus S2 from the front.

Also, anyone forgotten that mitsubishi HAD BACK IN 1996!!!!! A ****ING MIVEC 3.0L 200KW MOTOR?????? ****.....

No **** it's a family car. So why were they pushing it so hard on the 'sporty' feel???

I reckon they are following Mazda's comeback. Mazda's range was pretty damn boring for a while there, but with their new range which started with the 6, they've had record sales.

Basically people don't need a high powered car, but rather, an enjoyable one.

did anyone notice from the side-on view the 380 very much resembles a ford falcon? even the rims on the GT are so falconish... :doubt:

respect your opinion mate.. but i would respect it alot more if you had bothered to actually look at the car rather then base your opinion on the quality of the presentation :nuts:

Sports also wasnt that impressed, but atleast he actually LOOKED at the car

I'm with you. That btiger has some issues.

Mate (Bender) we don't diss each other here, and we certainly don't go moaning about Mits sales people and Mits products. seems a bit silly to do in a mitsu forum. And yes, we can all have honest opinions on the new car, but not carry on like we are looking for a flamewar. ?????

What is your story, btiger?

Would you believe I love MOST mitsubishis, have a open honest mind, love engineering and have a personal interest in the success of mitsubishi?

So did anyone actually hear the car running?

No, it contravenes health and safety laws....

i think your just after an argument mate, you've made your opinion heard over and over again, we get your point, there are even some people who share it! Now you have had your say, can you either talk about something different, or shut up

i think your just after an argument mate, you've made your opinion heard over and over again, we get your point, there are even some people who share it! Now you have had your say, can you either talk about something different, or shut up

Lmao, some people just don't seem to get it into their thick head, I LIKE MITSUBISHIS! And nissans, what's wrong with that? And I don't instantly go 'gah gah' over cars and KNOW what technology can be used (and has been used).

Lmao, some people just don't seem to get it into their thick head.


Get this through your thick head. Shut the F*ck up and let people get on with discussing the car.

Well let's get discussing, I can't exactly stand by while people throw **** at me for not liking it and be expected to take it.

Lmao, some people just don't seem to get it into their thick head, I LIKE MITSUBISHIS! And nissans, what's wrong with that? And I don't instantly go 'gah gah' over cars and KNOW what technology can be used (and has been used).

yes we get you like mitsubishis and nissans etc, and we also get the point that you wish the car had more technology in it, you have told us this about a thousand times so far, WE GET YOUR POINT, either talk about something different instead of the same ol sh!t over and over again, or just shut up, one or the other


Well let's get discussing, I can't exactly stand by while people throw **** at me for not liking it and be expected to take it.

no ones giving you sh!t for not liking it, we are giving you sh!t cos you have decided you dont like it just because of whats on the spec list, you havent even had a close look at the car, let alone driven it, so how on earth do you know that its not good enough just cos of what the spec sheet says? We dont really care if you dont like it, we are magna owners FFS! we are use to people not liking our cars, we are just sick of you going on and on and on about it, and your generally p!ss poor attitude you have shown thus far. There are other members on the forum who are expressing the exact same views as you are, ie they think it lacks technology, yet they arent getting flamed.. how about you have a think about why that is...

Argh, the reason I don't like it is because of the specs. That's all. Oh, and the fact it's just another ripoff, like the past 20 years the magna has been a ripoff of a sigma/diamante. I didn't need to have a close look, I didn't WANT a close look, what's a close look going to do, NOTHING! I ****ING LOVE MAGNAS (except the TL). I just hate the 380 as it stands

Argh, the reason I don't like it is because of the specs. That's all. Oh, and the fact it's just another ripoff, like the past 20 years the magna has been a ripoff of a sigma/diamante. I didn't need to have a close look, I didn't WANT a close look, what's a close look going to do, NOTHING! I ****ING LOVE MAGNAS (except the TL). I just hate the 380 as it stands

can we leave it at that then and move on?? wheres the mods??

bendertiger... Now you have been told to discuss not to diss..

380 is not Ground Breaking technology for a New Car.. It is However a New Car for Mitsubishi Australia.
Yes it Was cloned from the American Galant, but 90% of the Cars on our roads today have an American or a Japanese Counterpart..

I also agree that yes, a better engine should have been chosen but we are not incharge of making that choice and what has already been stated that this, Like the Magna is the Start of a New Breed of car, that like the 1985 Magna Came out with a 2.6litre Carby engine and evolved into the TL with a 3.5 litre V6, it is called evolution and in time the 380 will evolve..

Just have a look at the Hi-Res Photo's, You cannot tell me that the Interior is not a major improvement over the Old TW...
The 380 has the edge over Commodore and Falcon all it needs is that edge..Sure 0.1 litres per 100k's is not alot but it is an edge...

It is like the Monaro and Pontiac GTO, Same Car with slight differences to make them Unique, same with the 380 and the Galant, slight differences that make them unique..

Pretty much the whole car is a much better package, just a few little things. For me the boot is gonna be annoying for people that go long distances or have just bought a new appliance in a large is box, cause it probably wont get into the boot, there is not enough room between the top of the boot and the latching think on the car.

The boss of my work was at the launch, well he's the boss of the whole australian division, he was there looking at the 380 as new fleet cars, he told me the presentation did nothing for him, 'cheap presentation' were his words. When he looked at the cars, the boot size pretty much turned him away, cause we do alot of driving to the country with a fully loaded boot with luggage, and the 380's is just no big enough. He's gonna get 100 or so new falcons again, when the BF comes out.

Company guys are gonna slam the 380 for the boot pretty much

In spite of the reported posts, I wont be moderating this thread as it stands I have read it and see nothing wrong with having two differing points of view. bendertiger has not insulted anyone, he has just responded in opposition to the general trend, nothing wrong with that apart from being on the harsher side. If anything, people have taken his opinion too personal and responded to it personally... if you don't respond to the posts then chances are it wont get any worse.

But lets move on anyway.

The problem is not the boot, not the technology, not the power.

The problem is one eyed australians not even willing to give mitsubishi a go, plain and simple.

Look at the magna, big bloody boot, did they buy that, NO way. :belt:

Was it powerful enough, yep, enough to blow any other 6 away. NA that is.

But what do they say, urgh it has'nt got rear wheel drive :sook: it turns like a truck, even though it's only .3 of a metre it still turns like a truck. OH WELL BOOHOO YOU STUFFED UP WANKIN AUSSIES. You wanna see a company go down well go ahead. Then we will all be buying overpriced commodores, and wont we luv the technology in those things. :bowrofl:

Bloody ridiculous, why cant fleet buyers just try them out, all it is is another excuse, australia is full of them.

To be honest....if I had the money I would love one in my garage. Unfortunately there is a problem between want and available money :P (Hard making $7500 a year on a pension). The magnas were a damn nice car, loved everyone one of them (except maybe the TL, that's a 50/50). But yeah, I couldn't see why people weren't buying them. It had me stuffed.

Onto the really important questions...

Did anyone beep the horn??? -> Improvement???
How about the lights?

Peace

Tim

amen to that :stoopid:

Onto the really important questions...

Did anyone beep the horn??? -> Improvement???
How about the lights?

Peace

Tim

hope the horns are like the ones on the mazda 6's OMFG they sound awesome

Don't want to be a dick, but I was actually the first person to register for the 380 release in brisbane on the 28th (actually sign in). If that's not dedication :P

Onto the really important questions...

Did anyone beep the horn??? -> Improvement???
How about the lights?

Peace

Tim

the horn is loud! lol someone did press it and yeah, its a very loud "fck off" sound

lights.. well ya cant really tell inside a room what they're like, but if they are anything like TL lights, they will turn night into day!

the horn is loud! lol someone did press it and yeah, its a very loud "fck off" sound

lights.. well ya cant really tell inside a room what they're like, but if they are anything like TL lights, they will turn night into day!


We need one of those horns in the forum, :bowrofl: are you guys talking about the headlights??? If so then yeah there good, I turned them on in three different models, there bright, even in a room that was lit up.

Because the presentation was pretty pathetic from where I was standing. Just the feeding of scripts...the bloody loudness etc etc....

Sorry, I prefer my cars with technology under the bonnet and not in the cockpit. If I wanted sporty handling, I'd buy an S13 silvia.....oh wait.....that's what's in my garage. :badgrin:



Sooooo, tell me something, you like cars with technology under the hood... good suspension. Tell me, how much "technology" does your 1989 S13 silvia have under the hood?

Sooooo, tell me something, you like cars with technology under the hood... good suspension. Tell me, how much "technology" does your 1989 S13 silvia have under the hood?

Lol, it HAS no technology. That's what's so great about it. It just hunkers down and launches. (as opposed to a car made in 2005). Twincam turbo. That's all,

Lol, it HAS no technology. That's what's so great about it. It just hunkers down and launches. (as opposed to a car made in 2005). Twincam turbo. That's all,

You are full of contradictions, your car has no technology and its great, the 380 does have technology but you think it has none.
And your refering to a car you have never driven and your saying it does'nt launch??? What gives.

Lol, it HAS no technology.

WTF!!! it has no technology, thats what makes it great.. however the 380 is not good enough in your opinion because it also has no technology? :nuts:

dude give up while your ahead lol

I can see where Bender Tiger is comming from...
Ok.. On paper, it is a 3.8litre 24Valve SOHC V6, No variable timing, No DOHC and No Turbo..
Most of its competitors are now into Variable timing and DOHC..


175kw is a considerable Improvement in Power output, but it should be, it is a bigger engine then a 3.5.. and in the Ralliart they got 180kw from a SOHC 3.5... A whole .3 litre less...

As for the Silvia thing... Please, a Manual Ralliart will munch and s13 Turbo...
S13 are like Excels, Every Wannabe Ricer has one...

Bender, Until you have driven a 380 or a Ralliart, conserve your comments on its performance until you have actually driven it..

Argh, a 1988 design SPORTSCAR is a completely different kettle of fish from a 2005 PASSENGER CAR!!! Christ....do any of you loonies KNOW what kind of technology mitsubishi has put into the sigma/diamante range since 1986??? NO, then STFU!

Also.......ralliart magna munching S13's.....I am seriously asking, because I don't know, can a ralliart magna do a 15 second standing quarter mile?

Argh, a 1988 design SPORTSCAR is a completely different kettle of fish from a 2005 PASSENGER CAR!!! Christ....do any of you loonies KNOW what kind of technology mitsubishi has put into the sigma/diamante range since 1986??? NO, then STFU!

Also.......ralliart magna munching S13's.....I am seriously asking, because I don't know, can a ralliart magna do a 15 second standing quarter mile?

my 9 year old 3.0L with bugger all mods does close to a flat 15 mate!!

a stock Ralliart would do anywhere from about 14.5-14.8. TJ Sports/VRX's have proven to be able to do sub 15 second passes when completely stock also!

tj vrx manual = 14.9
tj ralliart manual = 14.6
the vrx is a definate, i think thats what stock members ralliarts have done oh and te manual = 15.1 (in qld climate; Tim-E)
ts....

Argh, a 1988 design SPORTSCAR is a completely different kettle of fish from a 2005 PASSENGER CAR!!! Christ....do any of you loonies KNOW what kind of technology mitsubishi has put into the sigma/diamante range since 1986??? NO, then STFU!


i know its a completely different kettle of fish HOWEVER you cant go round saying how crap the 380 is cos it has no technology, then in the same breath turn around and say how great your car is because it has no technology. And yes its a 1988 car BUT even by 1988 standards the silvia had nothing particularly outstanding technology wise either. And yes i do know what technology overseas has gone into the sigma/daimante's, however overseas the diamante is sold as a luxury car, in australia the magna was sold as a family car, as such it was sold at considerably lower prices and therefore had to be cheaper to build, therefore alot of technology was taken out



Also.......ralliart magna munching S13's.....I am seriously asking, because I don't know, can a ralliart magna do a 15 second standing quarter mile?

yes it would, a 15 second quarter is nothing particuarlarly outstanding.. ANY 3.5 manual magna can do one, and most 3.0 manual magnas an do one aswell, let alone ralliarts

S13 silvia's = quite slow by sportscar standards unless modded

i know its a completely different kettle of fish HOWEVER you cant go round saying how crap the 380 is cos it has no technology, then in the same breath turn around and say how great your car is because it has no technology. And yes its a 1988 car BUT even by 1988 standards the silvia had nothing particularly outstanding technology wise either. And yes i do know what technology overseas has gone into the sigma/daimante's, however overseas the diamante is sold as a luxury car, in australia the magna was sold as a family car, as such it was sold at considerably lower prices and therefore had to be cheaper to build, therefore alot of technology was taken out




yes it would, a 15 second quarter is nothing particuarlarly outstanding.. ANY 3.5 manual magna can do one, and most 3.0 manual magnas an do one aswell, let alone ralliarts

S13 silvia's = quite slow by sportscar standards unless modded

Seconded. Silvia's are about as mediocre as it gets. They were never anything fantastic, and are only truly impressive when a considerable amount of money has been put into them.

Plus, they're common as dog sh!t. I've heard that they're worth as little as $400 AUD when they leave Japan... and we fork out at least a good 10k for one. :nuts:

Plus, they're common as dog sh!t. I've heard that they're worth as little as $400 AUD when they leave Japan... and we fork out at least a good 10k for one. :nuts:

exactly! tell someone from japan that you have a silvia and they will respond in the same many as an aussie would if you told them you had just bought a gemini (ie who cares!)

Argh, a 1988 design SPORTSCAR is a completely different kettle of fish from a 2005 PASSENGER CAR!!! Christ....do any of you loonies KNOW what kind of technology mitsubishi has put into the sigma/diamante range since 1986??? NO, then STFU!

Also.......ralliart magna munching S13's.....I am seriously asking, because I don't know, can a ralliart magna do a 15 second standing quarter mile?


Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaa I nearly p!ssed my pants when I read that, you are really hilarious bendertiger, can a ralliart do a 15sec quarter,,,,,,,,,haaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
Oh to answer your question they are under 15sec quarters.
But you already knew that, with all your knowledge on magnas hey. :liar:

And saying we dont know what kind of tech went into mitsu sigma and diamante from 1986??? Are you retarded, cause this is a magna forum you dumb ass.

Ok, get this thread back on topic or I will happily close it. No more squabbles and that goes for both sides. I have already posed a warning in this thread, this is the last!

IMO

if Mitsubishi had of made this 380 RWD, holden and ford should have been worried..
as the 380 is a great car.

If the new BF comes out in FWD only, Holden would rub their hands together, and alot of people would be looking an early and wealthy retirement.....


i think the 380 will sell well, but not as well as mmal would have liked.

Sorry if I've upset anyone....I'm thinking of the market, the way I was coming from. Was the fact that....let's face it....the two big sellers are falcon and commodore. The magna didn't sell all that well, and to repeat the formula (fwd and sohc) I think will just lead it down the same path. I don't think any australian boofhead is going to look at a fwd car will he? (unless the missus has him by the balls). I was thinking by going rwd and mivec etc it'd at least bring the market wide open and make people consider it.

IMO

if Mitsubishi had of made this 380 RWD, holden and ford should have been worried..
as the 380 is a great car.

If the new BF comes out in FWD only, Holden would rub their hands together, and alot of people would be looking an early and wealthy retirement.....


i think the 380 will sell well, but not as well as mmal would have liked.

except MMAL are only hoping for 30,000 sales per year, half that of their RWD cousins, therefore mitsubishi are clearly aiming more for the VERY strong mid range market more then the large car market. They are only saying they are after the large car market aswell as a marketing ploy to position the car as a viable alternative to commodore and falcon. In reality tho, MMAL are aiming this car as mazda 6, subaru liberty honda accord and toyota camry sales.. they are saying basically "we offer the practacality of the smaller mid sizer cars, but with the power and performance of the large car class"

I remember reading not that long ago peter heninburger (previous head of holden) saying that holden could sell a FWD commodore, and sell it well, should the need ever arise, he even went as far as saying that it all comes down to marketing, and if the public is told FWD is better, then 90% of consumers will believe it and it will only be the die hards who wouldnt acept it.

This was all said when holden designed the ECOcommodore, which was FWD. Food for thought

Sorry if I've upset anyone....I'm thinking of the market, the way I was coming from. Was the fact that....let's face it....the two big sellers are falcon and commodore. The magna didn't sell all that well, and to repeat the formula (fwd and sohc) I think will just lead it down the same path. I don't think any australian boofhead is going to look at a fwd car will he? (unless the missus has him by the balls). I was thinking by going rwd and mivec etc it'd at least bring the market wide open and make people consider it.

but there isnt many "australian boofheads" left, more and more australians are becoming more open minded about their car purchases then 20 years ago when it was "buy a holden or a ford or otherwise you must be some kind of a pooftar"

And the magna DID sell well thank you very much, it was only the TL/TW magna which failed. It never sold as well as commodore and falcon, but it was never INTENDED to sell as well as commodore and falcon! Commodore and falcon sold so well because of FLEET sales, not private sales!!! Fleets went for commodore and falcon cos of re-sale value and big fat discounts, absolutely nothing to do with final drive location or sophistication of engines!

The only reason the name has changed to 380 instead of magna was so the car would get a fresh start as far as resale value goes to help MMAL get more fleet sales, it has NOTHING to do with private sales

Magna met or exceeded mitsubishi's sales expectations for every model except for TL and TW, learn your facts before posting

New car rule of thumb... always wait for the second series.
NEVER buy the 1st series of a new car ie. when they completely change them and release something like this... the 1st are always the worst... i'll hang on for the 2nd series next year when all the bugs are ironed out and they release it with more options.

Bender does have a point..

Look at the Holden Vectra, it is a Nice FWD with a Nice Engine smooth lines and Luxury, yet it is not a very good seller all because it is Front wheel Drive...

The 380 is going up against the likes of the Falcon and commodore

Only time will tell if they are sucessfull.

The VRX and the GT would have to be very good sellers as the styling is mouthwatering and the Interior is awesome..
By offering Standard Features on the Base Model 380 that the Other competitors don't have is going to be what gives them the edge...
I cannot see the Base Model 380 selling very well as the Hubcaps do not look all that impressive..Offering Alloy wheels on the Base Model would have been a wiser approach cause on a $30000 car I would have expected Alloys and Not Steel wheels with Hubcaps..

Look at the Holden Vectra, it is a Nice FWD with a Nice Engine smooth lines and Luxury, yet it is not a very good seller all because it is Front wheel Drive...

nah dissagree - the current vectra doesnt sell because its not a design that alot of people like and also it is WAY too expensive for what it is. The previous model however sold very well, despite being FWD. Also Mazda 6 and honda accord euro both sell very well despite being FWD

i really think that 80% of families dont really care if the car is FWD or not, its only people who do alot of towing, people after a performance sedan and diehard commodore and falcon owners who care if its RWD or FWD

Bender does have a point..

Look at the Holden Vectra, it is a Nice FWD with a Nice Engine smooth lines and Luxury, yet it is not a very good seller all because it is Front wheel Drive...

The 380 is going up against the likes of the Falcon and commodore

Only time will tell if they are sucessfull.

The VRX and the GT would have to be very good sellers as the styling is mouthwatering and the Interior is awesome..
By offering Standard Features on the Base Model 380 that the Other competitors don't have is going to be what gives them the edge...
I cannot see the Base Model 380 selling very well as the Hubcaps do not look all that impressive..Offering Alloy wheels on the Base Model would have been a wiser approach cause on a $30000 car I would have expected Alloys and Not Steel wheels with Hubcaps..

Nah, the holden vectra is too damn expensive for what it is :P
Also, I was thinking of the 380 going against falcon and commodore. Also, plus the fact I WAS thinking the 380 needed something to tip it over the line from the competitors, and yeah, and hubcaps on a base model, surely alloys aren't that much more expensive :)

Another thing....has anyone noticed ford is going for mitsubishis throat it seems? They are now offering a 5 year 100k warranty!

yeah so are hyundai, they have offered a 5 year warranty for a while now... wont be long before all manufacturers provide a 5 or 10 year warranty

hyundai have been doing 5 year warranties since the mid-90's now, its nothing new

It would actually be a good idea, because I presume you have to get the vehicle serviced for the entire period of warranty by an authorised dealer. So a bit of extra cash for them right there.

Well i seen the 380 varients in the flesh last week and i have to say i too am dissapointed. Whilst i would agree the build quality seems great but it should be considering the multi-million dollar full panel press they installed for it!

Pro's :
Build quality (interior and exterior)
Intergrated dash on all but base models
Level of refinement (quality of materials)
Front end looks great with loads of potential for better body kits
Door closing emits the "thud" which shows refinement.
Great looking dash (instrument cluster)
The "Ä" pillar door frames are back!

Con's :
Same engine across the board. Only 175Kw from a 3.8? - pfft
Engine seems antiquated. Where is modern technology from a Jap made engine?
Ride level too high on all models
Door handles are made from crappy plastics
Interior colours are a bit out of touch
Steering wheel looks crap
Tow bar's may look out of place on VRX and GT models
Steel rims on base models which is ridiculous

Personally i think Mitsubishi are going to find it tough keeping up with the new Commodore when it's released which looks better then 380 and i totally hate Holdens. I think their restricted budget is going to end up biting them on the ass considering the options Ford and Holden have. As they say, "What goes round comes round".

175kW might seem low, I dont know why, but anyways, when you see the physical engine you see why the power is not totally being used, just look at the restrictive intake, the totally restrictive manifold, I mean the primaries on the manifold are about 10cm long, hahaha, but anyway there is sooo much potential for extra power right there alone.
And from reports out of the wheels magazine the base model gets 15.3sec for the quarter mile without any engine mods, so who cares how many kW it puts out.
With modification that figure would improve greatly.

Just on the topic of fuel economy, someone said that they are rated at 10.8 per 100 kms, arn't the TJs rated at 10.5 ?

Just on the topic of fuel economy, someone said that they are rated at 10.8 per 100 kms, arn't the TJs rated at 10.5 ?

not the 3.5's, cant remember the official figure but its in the 11's

I think a few peoples have seen this car and just thought i would let you all know that I WAS ONE OF EM :badgrin: :badgrin:

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Gotta love the car, go the standard 16" steelys

Only problem i can see is the computer location under the hood. Its located where the battery is on the TJ's, and the battery is at the back. Cos if someone gives thecar a bit of a prang and hits it, the car aint going anywhere.

Another thing thats cr*p is that only one power output :cry: ,even on the VR-X model. Orwell its all good,


Go the GT, Bluetooth in car wooooooooot

I reckon we will see a high power model within 12 months. A "Special Edition". I reckon 190kw is easy, given it has Ralliart cams and valve springs at the moment. Exhaust mods, ECU tweaks and small amount of work on pistons, compression ratio? --- 190kw easy. :)

i think all MMAL have to do is rework the intake and exhaust systems and they will instantly get up to about 185kw i think.. similar to how they gave the TJ and TL VRX and sports more power

both appear to be quite restrictive at this stage

dont forget that when your complaining about the lack of power compared to its rivals, it is the ONLY aussie made car to comply with euro 3 emissions standards, if it didnt have to comply to that i think you would see much more power

175kW might seem low, I dont know why, but anyways, when you see the physical engine you see why the power is not totally being used, just look at the restrictive intake, the totally restrictive manifold, I mean the primaries on the manifold are about 10cm long, hahaha, but anyway there is sooo much potential for extra power right there alone.
And from reports out of the wheels magazine the base model gets 15.3sec for the quarter mile without any engine mods, so who cares how many kW it puts out.
With modification that figure would improve greatly.

15.3???? JESUS CHRIST THAT'S FAST! Better then the BA falcon undercover car I saw on full throttle going past me making me wonder why the hell it wasn't going any faster :P

But yeah.....ah well.....I guess we might see some aftermarket mods for it, heh. I do find it funny there IS some people in here who agree with me, and some who disagree.

we never doubted there was people who would agree.. we where taking objection to your attitude, but anyway lets not go down that path again

as can be evideced by the quarter mile times, its not all about kw's! weight, gearing and power delivery all have a roll to play in acceleration, the most powerful car is not necessarily to quickest!!

Standing start acceleration times are one thing, but the 380 has very good rolling acceleration times.

hahaha i was sitting in the back seat continuously opening and closing the door, some lady goes "yes its a door love *giggle*" to which i just said "try it for yourself, best feeling door i have ever used" she did, then responded with "wow i never knew opening and closing a door could feel good, but this atually does!

thats funny lol

So the Base Model pulls a 15.3 Sec 1/4, What was the terminal or did they not print that ?
Was it the Manual?? as I have heard they have refined it..
With all that has been said, with the Stats on paper it does not envoke the dreams of high performance but as it has been said it is the delivery of the power it has that seems to be its strong point...
Besides I am just Tickled Pink they have kept the Stereo layout the same as it is truely superior to the Commodore and Falcon from the start...

Hey guys, my first post here... I don't drive a Magna but a Lancer 1.8 coupe. I'm really excited about the 380. I think that it will do wonders to save Mitsubishi's image in AUS.

I think that the VRX will sell well, just like the XR6 Falcons did when the BA series was first released. Styling is very important and I think they did the right things to improve on the Galant's appearance! I think it was mentioned earlier but anyway, the 380 will have the 'Mazda6' effect on Mitsubishi.

If things work out right, I may well be trading up to a series II 380 in the near future. :cool:

So the Base Model pulls a 15.3 Sec 1/4, What was the terminal or did they not print that ?
Was it the Manual?? as I have heard they have refined it..
With all that has been said, with the Stats on paper it does not envoke the dreams of high performance but as it has been said it is the delivery of the power it has that seems to be its strong point...
Besides I am just Tickled Pink they have kept the Stereo layout the same as it is truely superior to the Commodore and Falcon from the start...

Trap speed was 152km/hr.

It was the manual.

I remember Dave from RPW once saying, kw's dont win races, torque does. The 380 has 343Nm of torque @4000rpm.