i been waiting and waiting for rpw to start on the single turbo setup but the way it is going ill die an old man b4 it happens, does anyone know of a well known turbo place that could do this 4 me at a resonable price, i just wanna get some prices at the moment and see whether it is worth pursuing, rpw u really need to start thinking about the market out there, nobody in there right mind would spend $12000 on a twin turbo setup when there car is only worth probably that much, wouldnt u be better making the single turbo setup as u might actually get some buyers
sorry mitsiman, u do a great job but u might start loosing customers if u dont create things they r after or can at least afford

anyway keep up the good work on the TT setup

its a big job, and it hasnt been done much before so its prolly going to cost you shit loads anyway!! its not like other cars which have had heaps of turbos put on!! its going to be a full custom job, new extractors, new plumbing everywhere, big job, but its going to be harder cause who ever you got to wont have done one before!!! and even then your prolly not going to get all the shit (that goes with the extra snail) like upgraded fuel pump etc!
If you wanted something more immediate you prolly should look at something like a haltech or similar and upgrade a few other bits (fuel pump, s1 cams etc) which would be easily possible to get 200kW a.t.f. and would be a good base to built a turbo from. If you spent ~$5000 on ECU, cams, fuel pump... and be pushing 200kW which is nearly as much the low blow single turbo anyway! and being NA it would behave better!

hey dingo, i think you r only referring to six-cyclinder engines, aparently the four cyclinder engine is relatively easy to turbo, cuz with $5000 spent on a four cyclinder (cams, ecu etc), i dont think u would make as much power compared to if you turbo'd it

i got a 6 cycliner btw , oh well, looks like its NA for me hehe

maybe RPW should release a turbo of the four cycliner magna motor, im sure many of us could sell our current motors for +$1500, so that would make it even cheaper to do , for the consumers anyway

later 8)

"nobody in there right mind would spend $12000 on a twin turbo setup when there car is only worth probably that much"

So what do you think of people that spend 50K+ on a sub 10K car? The body is the cheapest bit of a racecar.

A bit more effort on your part would be nice. That was nearly impossible to read.

just ring up turbo places,
300zx are turbo'd V6 so maybe a similar design ??

i got quoted i think it was $6000 for everything done on a single setup
still gotta look into it more

just ring up turbo places,
300zx are turbo'd V6 so maybe a similar design ??

Yeah, but is it an EW engine? Being rear wheel drive, I think not. Yes, similar theory and their engne bays are pretty tight, but the Magna is still different in it's own right. You'll find the 300ZX was designed with a TT setup in mind, fat chance the Magna was. Twin turbos on a Magna? Why the heck would you want to do that to a Magna?

So what do you think of people that spend 50K+ on a sub 10K car? The body is the cheapest bit of a racecar.

A bit more effort on your part would be nice. That was nearly impossible to read.

umm hello!!! A bit more effort on your part as well son, you see he was talking about cost effectiveness.

Not everyone has a fat wallet full of them flashy 100 dollar bills to spend 12 grand on a TT when there car is pretty much worth,.. that much!!

My advice is to Scrap the magna TT and get a stock TT car.

Cost you less.
Have more for mods
and youd get the performance and rear wheel drive..... part :P

But then again I like my magna and wouldnt wanna sell it... But it really comes down to what you want in life.....

Spending a load of dosh on a car to make it something its not..
or spending a load of dosh on a car that is already something the magnas not... a tt :P

The magna is a family car.. not a performance car and even though some of you may say otherwise it is classed and always will be classed as a family car.

For performance go for a sports car.....

Thats my 2cents worth and if you don't like it wake up to reality!
a magna TT setup would Blow my mind.
But personally 12 grand spent on just ONE mod on the engine... aint worth it.

1 2 3 4 I declare a Flame war

NON
SENCE

Edit: what part didnt you understand of his post???
its a lot easier to read than:
Tihs is the new sitputd way of wniinrtg sncie the biarn can apaenrptly raed a wrod rgedasrles of how its selpt as lgon as the lsat and frsit ltteer is in the rgiht sopt

The most popular motorsport category in Australia consists of family cars in case you haven't noticed.
Who cares if it's a family car? The notion of a sleeper seems to be lost on you.

The TT setup is not one engine mod, it's a package.

ME : email sent to www.badinfluence.com,au
i have a 98 manual magna 3.0L v6, id like to turbo/supercharge it, wot
price
> would i be looking at? do u do custom manifolds? and wot would u have to
> change internally if i was to turbocharge it? im not really after heaps of
> hp as it is fwd and spins quiet easy, just want low boost, intercooler and
a
> bov
> if thats not possible then wot conversions could be done?
> thanks

REPLY:
Will need to know approx budget to help with quote (2nd hand or new parts).
Yes , you can turbo without internal mods but you need an aftermarket ECu
(Microtech my preference I'm an agent) looking around $1100, we custom make
manifolds in house using 3mm steam pipe(never cracks) approx $600 ea, front
mount intercooler approx$1200 and the Turbo depends upon your budget. Please
note all prices quoted so far are on new parts. Let us know the $$$ and
we'll further help you do up a package using new or 2nd hand

Well I have started on the planning on my single turbo setup...
(The turbo and the manegement system are bought)
Next step is some more research into the actual interenal running gear modifications that will best help produce the power.

My only concern is my SA gearbox.... Well Im hoping that it wont be a big problem as the turbo LAG Im expecting hopefully wont give sudden low end power ..... it is more a top end setup.... MAX Speed .

But only time will tell.

I am waint on my copy of hte workshop manual to see about a few pressing ideas.

As usual Ill be keeping people updated as more info comes to hand.

Haydn

[quote:7b1627fdff]The most popular motorsport category in Australia consists of family cars in case you haven't noticed.
Who cares if it's a family car? The notion of a sleeper seems to be lost on you.

The TT setup is not one engine mod, it's a package[/quote:7b1627fdff]

hmm yeah sleepers are cool!!!!! and in my post i sed if you DO make a tt magna id be woah impressed eh!!!!

But for the simple minded people like me 12 grand for a tt setup is just a little too much...
12 grand plus 14 grand for the car= $26000
Now i wonder what kind of car i could get for $26000...
We all have preferences in life and mine is that for $26000 i would get.... another car

One mod 2 mods its all in for preporation for the TT setup right??

Strengething internals this that the other?

Family cars.. umm are pretty much the favourite choice of car..... around the world and for me to endorce a product it has to work... and i really believe in the ab swing!

wot sort of budget u going on tbutcher?
can u tell me a bit more info where u r heading with this turbo conversion?

Budget.......... hmmm well turbo was $1500, Link System $750...
Manifolds, Intercooler, piping, 42mm wastegate Oil cooler, Auto cooler, smaler battery, (NOS hehe) Water spray for intercooler, Im still looking also at internal modifications of the motor as well.
Im "hoping around the $5000-$6000 mark should cover it all.
Haydn

for all of you south aussies, i know that rpw was looking at sponsoring a magna for a single turbo setup. I got offered, they said it is about $6000 but they would sponsor for $4000. Might be worth looking at. I would do it if 1) i had $4000 and 2) i could afford the insurance.

Manchester United: Family cars have been converted into something they now call "Super cars". So don't go claiming that the family car is just a family car. Also, the entire modifying experience for me, personally, is about making my car something that its not. I want to make my car fast, fun, good looking, excellent handling and exciting to drive.
Why are you modifying?

Cheers,
Cam.

The thing you have to remember when turbocharging a car is it is very easy to just "Bolt a turbocharger on the car" :?

I can do it with cheap nasty small turbo's, bogus piping etc.

Take a look at the twin turbo magna we did produce sometime and tell where you can fault it. We built the package as a OEM qaulity item and the cost is not in the turbo - it is the fact that there are two ball bearing turbo's, injectors, fuel pump, computer, intercooler, piping, air cleaner the list goes on.

With the single turbo kit i estimate that is going to be around a $7500 - $8500.00 job.

To be honest to try and do the job anything less than tha on a V6 or even a four cylinder is either not doing it properly, using inferior components or plain I am not making any profit at all out of it and is not worth me even starting.

Turbocharging a car is a very serious prospect and for all the success stories you hear out there there are 5 failures to every one success that you don't hear about.

Mitsubishi has had 5 goes at turbocharging a Magna.
We are to date the only successful firm to work all the bugs out (Except for a a dyno error). :(

If you want to try and do it cheaper by all means I have no worries about this and if other firms want to give it a go then by all means no worries. :D

But I would like to see them give you a garauntee that the kit won't blow the engine up - because the minute you ask them for that - watch the value of your turbo installation go up as they start building a larger saftey margin into the price

- oh you want a garauntee - well then we better do the fuel pump, and instead of this hosing lets use this hosing - the price is now $$ higher :lol:

Not trying to be antagonistic here but we spent months working on the magna to develop something that worked and can be bolted on saftley onto the vehicle.

As for hte four cylidner magna vehicles - we already have turbo kits available for that vehicle which we have sent to the USA on the Eclipse / Galant 3.0 vehicles.

The single turbo kit will be completed when and only when we have finished working out all the bugs on our own car first as the only real difference between the two is the One V two turbo design. Everything else is the same.

Of course I can go back on my comment earlier being "We woudl rather blow our engine up instead of yours" and if you want we can turbo your car instead.

Of course if there is a problem with the engine later down the line - well I need say no more.

David Thomas
(Not pissed but annoyed that people do not realise the work that goes into these vehicles)

;)

i would rather go NA, tc and sc is too much time and money, and u dont get to make fun of beating other turbo cars when urs is still NA :D

need a sticker

"You have just been passed by a NA vehicle"

OI guys i wasnt saying DONT do it..

Seoriusly make your magna into something special as many of you have done already!

Im just saying for some people that dont really care about the car (ME ME ME) i would not pay 12000 for a turbo setup since i dont think its financially feasable for me :P

Yes 12 grand for a good job is worth it.. and i never said anything about getting less expensive bodgy job.. its just too damn expensive for me which is why.... if you cant beat em... join em :P


Me moves to the jap import scene.. woohooo!!

I must admit I may have over reacted with my previous post but it is hard sometimes when we see (And not necessarily in this case as much) but opinions and other information which is just wrong.

I can honestly say - if there was a cheaper way of producing the turbo kit and provide the same power / acceleration / zero turbo lag etc hten i would be all for doing that.

One option was we looked at using some german non ball bearing turbos which are slightly smaller than the gt-25 garrets but at hte end of the day there was further options in upgrades etc.

AS it is now with our planned single and of course tiwn system, there are four upgraded turbo options.

Starting with the single which would be with a single GT-28 turbo rated 300hp, then the upgrades go from single 320, 350 and 390 hp turbo.

With the twin the same options but starting with the twin GT-25 turbo's, to as per our test car at this moment twin gt-28 and upwards.

There are so many little things we had to work out on the magna that I could spend three day seducating people about them and still not get close to covering everything.

Probably the most important thing to remember is that

(A) The stock engine / computer system will only handle up to a 250kw Max hp rating at the flywheel which is the limit we have reached with our car so far. After this it looks like you are going to have to go to a programmable computer. For most people this doesn't matter as they wold only stick to a 7 psi low boost system.

Above 7 psi you will garauntee need engine modifications.

(B) You have to use a computer system that will have both fuel and ignition timing control, anti lag and allowance for larger injectors. Quite honestly the unichip will not work on this car nor will other piggy back systems unless they have options for larger injector calibration on the factory computer otherwise the larger injectors will mean the factory tune will be too far out of sync and the piggy back will not be able to get the tune at idle correct.

This was a major problem we had wiht the unichips at idle on the lancer turbo kits and thankfully the greddy hsa answered our prayers.

David Thomas

i understand wot ur saying mitsiman, and u probably the only guy who can do it properly, but its a long way from taree to perth, which is the other problem, thats why i was asking for someone local, maybe u can supply the manifold and the right parts and we can get them installed closer to home? will that work or will it cost to much in freight? maybe u can refer someone closer to do the work 4 me?

dont worry if i lived near u my car would be in ur shop as i do understand u r the man 4 the job! :) but its just not possible

p.s did u read the email i posted? does he sound shonky or does he seem to know wot he is talking about, hes the closet performance shop to me, (only 1hr away) seems i live in the sticks

sory if i offended u, was not trying to

We do sell all the individual main components ou would need being the turbo manifolds, turbo's and dump pipe, injectors and fuel pump.

From there you can fit it up, get your own intercooler nad piping made and then your choice of computer and tuning locally there is no reason why not.

Best thing to do si contact me on the phone sometime and we can work out prices and what you want to take with you to your budget level.

ill give u a call soon, work out a few things, i was hoping to buy single parts at a time, not all in one go, but yeah ill get in contact with u asap

could u give me the price of the single turbo manifold for starters?

No pricing available yet on the single turbo kit as at this stage we have not even started on it as a project yet.

Garret Turbo $2700 New
Custom Manifold in house $2500
Custom Mandrel Bend Pipes in house $600
Inj $1200 new
Malpassi Reg Comp Style New $300 incl guage
ECU Microtech in house $1100 + wiring
New Turbosmart Blow Off Valves $359
Thermo fans 12" $160
Thermo Wrapping new 2" $110

This is a price i got from a local guy, can anyone tell me whether this is a good price or not? thanks