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Well things are underway for my convertion, shopping list is as follows:
o Inlet Manifold.
o Throttle Cable
o Mas sensor.
o Air cleaner.
o Fuel pump.
o Fuel line.
o Solenoid Valves + Hoses.
o Top Radiator Hose + Heater hoses.
o Igniter.
o Distributor.
o Loom.
o Exhaust Manifold
o Exhaust pipe.
o Main computer.
o Fuel computer.
o Fuel filter.
o Throttle Body.
o Purge Tank.
All coming from U Pull It for $180 for the package!
you can get lots of stuff so cheap at UPULLIT! it's great!!!
First Pics of the equipment as I get it!
If images don't appear, right click red X and select "SHOW PICTURE!"
http://www.geocities.com/shyknight27/EFI/IMGP5728.JPG
Main Computer and Fuel relay
http://www.geocities.com/shyknight27/EFI/IMGP5729.JPG
Air cleaner and Air Mass Sensor.
http://www.geocities.com/shyknight27/EFI/IMGP5727.JPG
Manifold, Purge Tank and injectors plus fuel rail.
cartman02au
03-10-2005, 06:21 AM
Very cool :)
I have an article about the conversion on my wiki http://magna.trynsave.net if you are interested in looking at that. Hell I'd even like some feedback on whether or not it is useful!
Very cool :)
I have an article about the conversion on my wiki http://magna.trynsave.net if you are interested in looking at that. Hell I'd even like some feedback on whether or not it is useful!
Very Useful! Awesome! A question, you don't mention the throttle cable at all, doesn't that need to be changed too? It looks much longer on the TP EFI, than the one on my TM.
This once unleaded TM SE Manual, is now almost a Elite, with a digital dash and TP Wagon Auto Trans! Now my last project, EFI! with EFI on a wagon auto trans (with it's better ratios at low speed) should give me a nice zing off from a stop!
You also mention heavy duty hose clamps for the fuel lines, I'm thinking the "Band" type comonly used on radiators would do the job (Just the small version), done up tight, not the wire type ones.
Last question, seen as you seriously know your stuff, as you may have noticed elswhere on this forum, i have a inlet manifold issue. IE Coolant leaks from the ports on the manifold, into the combustion chamber. In my ventures through the yards looking for my EFI equipment, almost all the Astron engines seem to have this same seepage in the gaskets. Including my new EFI manifold. Whats your suggestions for sealing these so-n-so's up good and proper!
cartman02au
04-10-2005, 06:28 AM
I am glad you found the article useful. I will have to add about the throttle cable. They are different (EFI is longer and has a different end on it as well).
Band clamps are perfect, they are what I used on the TP I converted and it works like a dream. I actually got that idea from a Nissan Pintara, that is how they are done from the factory!
As for your manifold problem, I'd seal it up with some RTV, I use it on most Magna gaskets simply because it seems to seal better than gasket goo (I used to have trouble with rocker covers and timing cases leaking without it!).
As for your project, it sounds awesome. I am going to put the digi dash into my Elante once I have the engine sorted out as well. I might even chuck the power windows from my old car if I can find door trims!
Removed Distributer, fuel pump, and fuel filter from the donor car along with the two terminals out of the engine fuse box for the EFI power. Also grabbed the 20A fuse and new lid for the fuse box. Oh and got myself a damn good throttle cable too!
Onya brother!
I'm at the stripping parts stage, though I have most of the equipment already, from my written off wagon.
The biggest problem I have is getting the harnesses, as my interior harness is damaged too.
cartman02au
06-10-2005, 06:18 AM
It isnt all that hard as long as you are patient :)
Still driving the TM around until all the parts are ready to install. And yes I'm going to need lots of patience as the EFI is out of a TP, the car it's coing into is a TM, lots of soldering, as was the trans!
Well went up to the yard today with no Socket set, how smart! Also found today that the reserve tank for the radiator needs to be changed as the existing one is right where the EFI Air filter will be, the new one is mounted next door to the Windscreen washer tank. Also grabbed a replacement strap for the air con blower as when I removed it last time I lost much of the foam padding that helps seal the blower onto the air con unit. The bolwer will need to be removed again to access the hole in the firewall for the cables.
I also have two air inlets for the air cleaner as the first one I grabbed sorta looked a bit funny until I realised that it had proberly been cut down to fit a larger battery in the bay. as I have a larger battery to I grabbed both, if the orig fits I'll use it, if it doesn't I'll use the modded one.
In my madness I did manage to grab some other tid bits including the new EFI Coil and ignitor, Distributer, EFI solinoids, fuel pump (Mongrel to remove!)
:confused: :confused: I currently have a black transformer style coil fitted to the car that I replaced when I got it, as it is suitable for electronic ignition (As it already has) does anyone know if the old one of the EFI TP (That is also transformer style) would be better or worse? They look darn similar!
cartman02au
07-10-2005, 06:47 AM
If you are lucky the engine's harness may unplug, but being a TM it may not :(
I had actually forgot about the water bottle, on the TN/P carby it is already where you want it to be!
True cartman, I dont expect the loom will plug in, and have little point now as the TP trans loom had simply been "added" to the existing wiring. I'll strip the EFI loom down to the bits I need and add them to the TM by stripping down the cars existing wiring that will no longer be required. IE leaving the trans, lights, fuesbox, washer cables behind.
Nothing purchased today due to rain, hopefully tomorrow will be better.
Yay. I got my car down to bare interior, apart from the 3 inches of dust and cobwebs.
I've also extracted the engine loom out.
Tomorrow will be spent doing one of two things.
A) Cleaning the 3 inches of dust and dirt from the car.
B) Building a serviceable TP P-line interior harness out of a TN P-line, and a TP D-line interior harnesses
cartman02au
08-10-2005, 06:45 AM
Awesome Snowball. Great to see others doing the carb -> EFI job :)
turbo_charade
08-10-2005, 07:43 AM
why is he banned? did he try snowball someone hahaha
vfredsim
08-10-2005, 09:56 AM
No, he called a moderator's bluff.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25786&page=3&pp=10
Well got %99 of the engine bay loom out yesterday, but i ran out of time, and had a visitor in the engine bay of the donor car I would have rather she had picked another car to live in!
Terrorsidic
09-10-2005, 06:35 PM
is that a red back?
Yes it is! going again tomorrow with the insect killer!!
Well it was a fine day today, so off to the yard I go! The parts complete the list of parts required for the change over to EFI. Har Har Har, A 'Ol TM with TP EFI a Wagon Auto TP Trans, That will give a few people a shock at the lights! The wagon Auto Trans has diff gear ratios designed for better power with a expected loaded wagon, but I ain't a wagon!
Extra bits for today included the new exhaust pipe, a "Non-Cracked" EFI manifold incuding Ox sensor (Most were crackd to some degree!) and the engine bay loom.
Now as the trans wiring was "Added" to the existing loom, and the new loom includes the trans and EFI looms, I'll be spending the next few days going over the diagrames to work out where the taps will be made!
I Plan on starting the conversion on Thursday, and will proberly take 2 to 3 days to complete. All will be reported back here!
PeteW
10-10-2005, 07:55 PM
goodluck with the conversion id forgot what the stock exhaust system looked like for my car
Good luck. My patchovers have occured, but I'm not installing until I've refurbished the motor.
The looms are difficult to modify, you'd be better off with attempting to replace them from the one car.
Good luck. My patchovers have occured, but I'm not installing until I've refurbished the motor.
The looms are difficult to modify, you'd be better off with attempting to replace them from the one car.
I Think your right, and the easyest place to do it is on the two plugs that join the engine bay loom to the interior loom just inside the glove box.
Well the convertion began today. About 85% of the removal has been completed, including both manifolds, the engine bay looms (There was two, one for the trans, and the orig, there will now be one loom again from the TP) inside the glovebox and fan blower are out, ready to patch in the new loom. Also the new EFI fuel filter has been fitted, well it aint new as there may be a few scraps from where the fuel lines have been modded, and I don't want them in the new filter, that will be installed in a few weeks.
Pics include the before, the bad inlet manafold leak, and a resonably recent shot of the engine bay, just befor the loom came out, along with the old clutch gear.
Yes. Mine's not progressed since last time, bar the fitting of the exhaust system. The whole motor's getting refurbished, so I'm dropping the manifold in then.
PeteW
13-10-2005, 08:00 PM
hay since u have all the fan stuff out any chance of a pic of where the fan resister block is? i have a new one to go in but i have nfi where to start .... sometimes its the lil things that stump me
hay since u have all the fan stuff out any chance of a pic of where the fan resister block is? i have a new one to go in but i have nfi where to start .... sometimes its the lil things that stump me
Can't help you on that one, Mine is a TM and doesn't have a resistor block from what I know.
sensible
14-10-2005, 07:48 AM
hay since u have all the fan stuff out any chance of a pic of where the fan resister block is? i have a new one to go in but i have nfi where to start .... sometimes its the lil things that stump me
Try this:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268817&postcount=10
cartman02au
14-10-2005, 07:49 AM
Yours has a fan resistor halo. All 1st gens do.
When I pull apart the interior on the mate's wreck I will see if I can get a photo. It is also worth noting that the TP resistors seem larger than the TM/N.
mad lanté
14-10-2005, 10:15 AM
Yours has a fan resistor halo. All 1st gens do.
When I pull apart the interior on the mate's wreck I will see if I can get a photo. It is also worth noting that the TP resistors seem larger than the TM/N.
interesting, is there any benefit from chuckin a tp one in??
cartman02au
14-10-2005, 06:28 PM
interesting, is there any benefit from chuckin a tp one in??
They dont seem to die as often
Try this:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268817&postcount=10
Ohhhhh, That one, I thought he was talking about the radiator one!
More progress yesterday with the new loom being installed along with the new EFI manifold too! Pics soon.
Well all done! She goes a dream! Included is the before and after images of the TM! Note also that if you do this convertion, that the distributer rotor DOES NOT get placed back in the same place as the old carby one was as the cap position on the EFI is rotated slightly for some reason. The best way to do it is to line the rotor up with a particular spark plug EG No 1, then change the distributers over and put the new cap on to find out where No 1 has moved to, set the rotor up for this new position. I should have noticed the distributer had moved when I installed it the same as the carby one, and found the my once pointing up ignition leads were now pointing at the coil, yet the rotor was pointing in the exactly same spot on both distributers!
Also DON'T install the cover on the exhuast manifold, as leaving it off helps keep it cool, and prevent it cracking as MANY of these manifolds have. I had a lot of trouble finding one that was not cracked!
Terrorsidic
19-10-2005, 03:04 PM
look good, engine bay is alot neater now.
well i think so anywayz
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