im going to build myself a pod box today, i priced all the parts from bunnings and its going to cost me about $15 for the box, $10 for the fake carbon fiber sheets and about $20 to relocate my battery to the boot (cabling, box, terminals etc)

the tricky part is the way im going to create the air vortex inside the intake piping.
on the outlet side of my pod box, im going to mount 3, 3" Hyclone's. They're a device thats basicly a heap of fins on a metal ring thats designed to make a spiral vortex with the air inside the intake piping.

now i know it sound like a stupid gimicky thing, but there a quite a few top shelf items on the market that use similar methodology.

BMC make a unit that is claimed to make between 8-10rwkw (and i've seen it on a dyno to prove it, 9rwkw on a BA XR6) as wel as increasing torque (additional 30nm on said BA)

so im not expecting to get any massive gains, but and extra 5fwkw wouldntt go astray would it now.

will post some pick on my imagestation site (http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2123984859) at a later date.

cheers

You do know that relocating the battery to the boot is illegal unless you get it engineered.

Well it is in this state anyway (SA).

its only illegal if you get caught =P

im pretty sure its fine here in Vic though. and even so, the local cops couldnt give a ****, so long as its not something stupid like relocating the battery to the top of the bonnet =P

it'll only be the bast ard melbourne cops that give me any trouble.. and even still, they're too busy busting coonmobiles with 7 different coloured doors and wankers in common*****s with 8" exhausts who think that it makes their penis larger by having such a stupidly loud exhaust.

Z

ZachTS,

How's this Pod Box going ?
maybe you could team up with 'cammerra' and 'EZ Boy'.

EZ Boy has just started making the 3rd Gen boxes...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=371487#post371487
I expect he will look at the 2nd Gens soon (I hope).
cammerra was helping him (or EZ Boy was helping cammerra?) with the 2nd Gens.

Some background reading for you:
- http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20166
- http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19132
- http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19490

Also, IMO I'd rather do this without relocating the battery - is it possible?
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i'd be one for relocating pod in box to along the inside of the battery, off the throttle body then straight to a box behind the radiator, cai straight down to front bumper, much more direct root and can be mounted on a few different place, only problems the autos wouldn't be able to fit it...

i'd be one for relocating pod to the inside of the battery, off the throttle body then straight to a box behind the radiator, cai straight down to front bumper, much more direct root and can be mounted on a few different place, only problems the autos wouldn't be able to fit it...
Hey mate, I think you might like to re-word that :bowrofl:

i'd be one for relocating pod to the inside of the battery...
I'd be interested in how you fit a pod inside a battery - but at least the police would not be able to find it.
Seriously, it's all cool mate - I think we know what you mean. :D

waht ish der sumtin wron wit me engrish

and yeh it is illegal to have the battery located within the boot, unless its one of those sealed gel batterys or something. Mate got a defect for having standard lead acid battery in boot here in Vic.

hahha, moving a lead acid battery into your boot. Why don't u tip it out or light it up while you're there too!!!


Moving ur battery to the boot is an expensive process Zach. I assume u don't have a lead-acid battery?? Coz if you do, you will run into a lot of problems with building a suitable enclosure for ur battery and especially trying to vent it, and stop it from spilling. The acid will probabbly kill you, your car, or ur boot. The gas thats emitted from ur battery is also flammable...so yeh.

Get a gel or dry one that won't spill and doesn't need to be so well vented. (I'd still vent those just coz i'm a pussy :P)

Cabling- definately use 0gauge cable! That stuff aint cheap either. For the lengths that are required for ur car, definately over 20 bucks on cabling.

goodluck with ur conversion tho.

yeh it is possible some of those things can happen but the dangers of lead acid batterys are highly exagerated. The acid is no real problem unless it leaks and then it can eat away only uncovered metal. As for killing you, ive had stronger acid than whats in those batterys on my hands before at work and im still here (can function without too much twitching :P ). And as for emittions, they do emit a very minutely small amount of hydrogen gas when they are under stress, eg. running a big car audio set up while car is running, but not enough to cause an explosion.
but yeh it is better with a gel battery. why would you put in a vent for a sealed gel battery? the whole point of them are theyre sealed which is why theyre legal to put in the boot. oh right coz your a pussy. :poke: :P

im going to build myself a pod box today... .
..the tricky part is the way im going to create the air vortex inside the intake piping.
on the outlet side of my pod box, im going to mount 3, 3" Hyclone's. They're a device thats basicly a heap of fins on a metal ring thats designed to make a spiral vortex with the air inside the intake piping...
Hey ZachTS, not sure if your still doing/planning this mod, but where you place the "Hyclone's" may need to be investigated a bit. Consider the following... (especially the bit in bold) Were you going to place these before or after the MAS sensor ?


"The Magna air mass sensor registers the amount of air coming into the motor and tells the computer to adjustt the fuel curve accordingly richer or leaner. The MAS unit registers the air via ultrasonic waves that pass through the honeycombed section. There is also a section surrounding the honeycombe section which bypasses the honeycombe section which is not measured air.

The fitment of a traditional rampod cone / round shaped filter causes a swirling action of air which in any other application is beneficial to the air flow of the vehicle. Unfortunately this swirling action promotes a bad running problem on 90% of Mitsubishi's.

In order for the air to be passed evenly between the honeycombed section of the MAS unit and the bypass sections the air must come through straight with no tumbling action. When it is being tumbled or swirled it tends to bypass the honecombe section and go through the path of no resistance - the bypass section which the computer then tells the car it is getting less air and in most circumstances the car runs lean or can sometimes run rich. The end result though is that it will eventually damage the engine.

K&N released a specific K&N Rampod filter to suit the Mitsubishi MAS sensor units which has a specific adapter plate that is not round but is Oval and is the same shape as the MAS unit. Secondly the filter is a very large and flat / oval shaped filter that smoothes the air out and promotes a more accurate MAS sensor system. This is 100% guaranteed to not cause problems with the MAS and does not harm emission controls.

If K&N had of thought a cone shaped filter would have done the job they would not have made a specific filter for this application that is not suitable for any other model vehicle."

- David Thomas

Zach - how did you go with your Pod box?

Also found this on ebay (US)... US$22 + shipping
They seem to indicate their product is fitted in the intake between the MAS Sensor and the Throttle Body. Is this what your bit looks like?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8007006299&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

It's legal to move the battery to the boot in NSW so long as it's in a sealed and vented enclosure.

Just check with your registry for the proper rulings for your state.

Those fans do nothing...

Those fans do nothing...
be nice
those fans do do something.
they block the airflow to your engine. :P

be nice
those fans do do something.
they block the airflow to your engine. :P
lol

Ok I'll be nice

They are an utter waste of money and time.

They have made some smartarse a lot of money through his *almost* convincing sounding drivel about airflow. They cannot spin fast enough to move faster than the air coming in and therefore they just become a bottleneck and restrict flow instead of promoting it.

Is that better? :P

Okay, so we discount the spinning thingie - we are now just waiting for someone with the know-how and skills to make a pod box to keep it a CAI instead of a HAI. Then make it for everyone else (with a small profit to them for their trouble of course).

But who will make it first (or make it better) - EZ Boy or ZachTS ???

Either way, I think they will find it difficult. On a (very) quick look under the bonnet...
1. There is not much room to get the intake pipe to the box (ie. around the battery, windscreen washer, etc.)
2. There seems to be less space for the box (to fit a pod) on the 2G than the 3G - but I may be incorrect here???

i think you are right... it is going to be a difficult task to make a box that fits the POD - there isnt much room in the second gens.

At the moment I have the POD in my car (put it in a couple of days ago) and the car runs quite a lot hotter. I really need to do some sort of cold air ducting, however without a POD box it will mean dust and stuff that comes up the pipes will get all the the engine bay. Hmmm!

Not really sure what to do :(

you should fit the hyclone after the maf or after the tb better results

sorry about the delay in my replies, but ive been offline for a few weeks.

relocating my battery to the boot isnt going to be expensive at all... im an auto electrician (12 months off being at least) and i've got... hrmmm a 300mt roll of cable in the workshop at work =P.
and no its not a lead acid battery, its a pair of ultra-lite oddessy (spelling) 400cca jobs... nice and light.
and both battery's will be in their own boxes (adr approved for battery re-location) with all the relevant fuses etc.

i've been doing a bit of research into the battery thing, and so long as its done properly, with all the relevant adr approved bits and pieces, its all good. (no need to engineer)

anyway, the pod box was put on hold due to my house being shifted soon, my time has been more valuably spent working on that side of things.

will let you all know how i go with it once i get into the new house, with my new shed up and running.

(i'll also let you know how i go getting my 4-way splits into my front doors!! [Clarion SCM-400's $599 from Autobarn Mildura!])




hahha, moving a lead acid battery into your boot. Why don't u tip it out or light it up while you're there too!!!


Moving ur battery to the boot is an expensive process Zach. I assume u don't have a lead-acid battery?? Coz if you do, you will run into a lot of problems with building a suitable enclosure for ur battery and especially trying to vent it, and stop it from spilling. The acid will probabbly kill you, your car, or ur boot. The gas thats emitted from ur battery is also flammable...so yeh.

Get a gel or dry one that won't spill and doesn't need to be so well vented. (I'd still vent those just coz i'm a pussy :P)

Cabling- definately use 0gauge cable! That stuff aint cheap either. For the lengths that are required for ur car, definately over 20 bucks on cabling.

goodluck with ur conversion tho.

i
BMC make a unit that is claimed to make between 8-10rwkw (and i've seen it on a dyno to prove it, 9rwkw on a BA XR6) as wel as increasing torque (additional 30nm on said BA)

The BA doesnt use MAF so it doesnt care how the air enters the TB..

I thought the TR had a MAF and it doesnt like swirly air or something?

Thanks for the update ZachTS.

Good luck with the project, when your finished please update us - including an approximate cost of this work if we were to get an auto-elec to do it (for those of us who are not auto sparkies).

WOW! 4 way splits! Good luck - your doors are just gonna look like speaker boxes... do they look like this...

The BA doesnt use MAF so it doesnt care how the air enters the TB..
I thought the TR had a MAF and it doesnt like swirly air or something?

But what if he places the swirly thing after the MAF ? Is this possible? But then the old question still remains, is this real or just another dodgy cheapo performance gimmic.

no the MAF sensors are pretty sensitive actually. Theyre an arse of a thing to try and play around with. They dont like spiraling/vortexing air. I get what your saying about the placement of the MAF, place it at the front of the car and have the air vortex after the sensor into the plenum chamber but Im not sure whether that will have any benificial effect. how does that help get more air into the engine?

i saw this pic and thought why not just go with something like this but with the oval pod.
http://www.altaminiperformance.com/Assets/Images/Intake02.jpg

those are the exact speakers =P



Thanks for the update ZachTS.

Good luck with the project, when your finished please update us - including an approximate cost of this work if we were to get an auto-elec to do it (for those of us who are not auto sparkies).

WOW! 4 way splits! Good luck - your doors are just gonna look like speaker boxes... do they look like this...