Just read the excellent 380 wrap-up in Wheels. It reminded me of the long writeup they did for the EA falcon back in 1988! Very indepth.

Overall, this car looks the goods, but they will struggle IMHO because of the these points.

1. REAR-END STYLING. What were they thinking here, any old non-offensive generic rear-end would have looked good (eg, BA falcon), but they have potentially turned off buyers from this one little mistake, remember, Australians don't like out their designs as was learned from the AU Falcon, which, quite frankly didn't look all that bad in Series 2/3 non-XR guise. Another styling hiccup seems to be the headlights on the base model don't have "blackout" features like the VR-X and GT, now you may saying thats what the GT and VR-X are for, but again ala BA Falcon, the base XT has that feature, which lifts the car significantly, making it look somthing other than what the old bowler would buy.

2. Hoon wanna be's will still buy RWD cars.

3. 175kw while mroe than ample for base models, is not enough for VR-X and GT, plain and simple. 190KW+ please.

4. Old and sensible old people already have two large cars they can buy, Avalon's and Camry's.

5. No split fold rear seat?!?! Will they ever learn?

6. Less so, but, no rake/reach steering adjustment?

All that aside, will be interested to see one in the flesh and I hope it suceeds. The standard 5-speed auto is one the major pluses along with standard 16" rims (hello Holden!).

Falcon is probably starting to show its age against the 380 (but still offers tons of space, V8 power optional , 6 speed auto on various models etc etc), but new model due in not too far 2007. Current Commodore is just way to old for my liking, but like the Falcon, offers heaps of space, RWD and **** loads of cheap power and the VE should be the real goods.

Adam.

The targeted 380 customers will predominantly be:

Male
The target age group is 35+, predominantly in the 40-56 year age group. With an average age of just over 48 years old. With 380 we are aiming to reduce our reliance on 50+ customers
Married with no children living at home
The target is to improve our appeal to a broader target market. Improving our appeal to white collar clerical as well as white collar professionals / senior managers
Income levels generally over $60,000
City / urban dweller in eastern seaboard state
The targeted 380 owners’ psychographic profiles cluster towards Visible Achievement, Socially Aware and Traditional Family Life in the Roy Morgan Research value segmentation.
Vehicle usage is around the suburbs or city streets, however importantly customers still use their vehicles for long trips.
Main reasons for choosing a Mitsubishi are; manufacturer, value for money, and design. With 380 we have made an incremental step with design and quality finish.
Mitsubishi large sedan owners are generally very satisfied with their vehicles with main strengths being; room/comfort, performance and design.
Popular information sources for the purchase process are; advertising on TV, newspaper and magazines; road tests in newspapers and magazines; sales brochures and sales people.

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5. No split fold rear seat?!?! Will they ever learn?

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Cost. And they claim they would have compromised the body strength, by making a split. The car is tighter, handles better, without a split. That's what they said.

And let's face it! ... how many people use their split seat every day? The port is big enough for a couple bits of timber, skis, long boxes from the department store and the like.

Small thing. :)

hmm I gotta say that with the new Camry due, and petrol prices not falling in a hurry, I think the the 380 is going to take Mistu down for the last time.

I agree, a 3.8litre engine that only puts out 175kw
The VRX and GT Models will need a performance boost or else you will have people buying the Base Model , adding a Bodykit and Mags to get the VRX look achieved at a cheaper price..

hmm I gotta say that with the new Camry due, and petrol prices not falling in a hurry, I think the the 380 is going to take Mistu down for the last time.

For a big V6 the 380 has got pretty impressive fuel consumption figures.. 10.8L / 100km?
Not far off most 4 cyclinders.. Aussies still like a big torquey car so the fact that its a big car shouldn't be the problem..

everyones crying over the performance of the 380

i think 175 is ample enuff...sure they should have 190kw + for the gt and vrx models...but if they did then all u lot would cry cos its too much wheelspin and its 4 grand more expensive and they shouldve released it in four wheel drive..etc etc

does everyone know how expensive it would be for mitsubishi to create all these variants...they are doing it ample, wait for the next model or series to come out which will be even further refined

For a big V6 the 380 has got pretty impressive fuel consumption figures.. 10.8L / 100km?
Not far off most 4 cyclinders.. Aussies still like a big torquey car so the fact that its a big car shouldn't be the problem..

don't count on that buddy... multiply that figure by 1.3 and you might get the true average figure. but i'm optimistic it should be much better than the magna.

hmm I gotta say that with the new Camry due, and petrol prices not falling in a hurry, I think the the 380 is going to take Mistu down for the last time.

agreed. just read an article that holden are already tweaking their next commodore for better fuel consumption. the focus of the 380's marketing strategy hasn't been strong enough on its apparently better fuel economy, and in bad times like these for motorists that's not good is it?

but i don't think the 380 is going to take mitsu down just yet... but if they can sell it like the magna when it was at its peak (abeit nothing fantastic but still profitable for mitsu), i really think they should celebrate with some beers already. toyota i think on the other hand has a much better strategy... allowing the camry to be affordable to purchase and maintain by putting only 4 cylinders in the block. the more upmarket 6 cylinder model will be aimed more at company fleets and those who want a budget executive vehicle.

at the end of the day, mitsu has not redrawn its plans on how to market the 380 in times like these and i am sure they are going to pay for it. the days of paying $70 for a 70 litre tank are long gone and most people really can't afford to pay $100 and get just 500 km's or so.

Cost. And they claim they would have compromised the body strength, by making a split. The car is tighter, handles better, without a split. That's what they said.

I did read that, but I don't think it would significantly adjust the handling or body strength, it was simply to save money. The strength issue is just to put a positive spin on a negative. I can see heaps more reasons where the Falcon split fold rear seat comes in handy.

I have to disagree on fuel costs. People scared of big sizes because of fuel economy are just fooling themselves. Around town, the very best a medium-small car could improve on fuel econmy figures of a large efficient six that all the big four now have would be approximately 2-2.5l/100km, and I haven't seen that in practical terms.

Id'd rather pay 2 x $1.30 = $2.60 per 100km, or possibly $10 a tank for a safer, more comfortable car with heaps more power, wouldn't you? Not to mention most smaller cars need premium unleaded. And if you are really worried, put it on LPG. People just don't do the sums.

Adam.

it is fact, not just hearsay that big cc cars use much more fuel. i drove my girlfriend's corolla for a week doing the normal routes and traffic i normally do with my magna. i got 510 kms from 45 litres (9 L/100km) of normal unleaded compared to 450 kms from 65 litres (~ 14.4 L/100km) from my magna.

Actually fill the cars to brim and log down the kilometer reading from teh trip meter and do the calculation, I constantly get about 12.5l for the last 7 tanks of the magna I have bought and the Pulsar SSS 99' model I have does about 10-10.5l/100km. Thats bugger all difference. I know the pulsar is a sports model,but its still only a 2.0ltr. I still think people should get their big cars and install LPG rather than go for a smaller car.

Smaller cars always seem to lack features too, somthing that is starting to change, but things like power windows, cruise control, 4 airbags, ABS are standard on most large cars. Falcons, Magnas, Commodores also offer excellent value on teh 2nd hand market, small cars tend to hold their value, which I guess is goof if you like buying new, I would just prefer to buy a larger 2nd car that basically feels like new. You don't have to worry about gettin gthe better model to get a car that actually has some grunt either, a powerful motor is standard on large cars!

Each to their own I guess. Mitsubishi may not survive, but Ford are Holden will be around for the foreseeable future, where else will Taxi Companies and Police deperatments buy their vehicles from? lol lol lol

Zoltrix.

that's not bugger all difference buddy...

using your figures, for 100 litres of petrol,

your pulsar runs 1000 km's (using 10L /100km)

and

your magna runs 800 km's.

200 km's more is not ginormous ( :bowrofl: i love this word) but it is quite substantial.

For a big V6 the 380 has got pretty impressive fuel consumption figures.. 10.8L / 100km?
Not far off most 4 cyclinders.. Aussies still like a big torquey car so the fact that its a big car shouldn't be the problem..
Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.

that's not bugger all difference buddy...

using your figures, for 100 litres of petrol,

your pulsar runs 1000 km's (using 10L /100km)

and

your magna runs 800 km's.

200 km's more is not ginormous ( :bowrofl: i love this word) but it is quite substantial.

Yes, but after all the hassels of chnaging cars and the compromises that you make to have a smaller car, its still not that significant in the whole cost of running a car, and as I mentioned LPG is a viable option that would retunr investment in less than a year for plenty of drivers.

Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.

if your driving is at least 90% on the freeway and on the freeway you are cruising at 80km/h in top gear you might hit an average of 10.8. must be very smooth driving and no abrupt downshifts either.

Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.

Yeah, but every car company talks BS when it comes to real world figures. But the figures quoted are ran to an Australian Standard. Just has about 2/100km to the reported figures for city cycle and you are usually about right.

Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.

:stoopid:

Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.
i sorry, but i do believe their figures. in my tl vrx, i can easly acheive 8.5 up about 10 lts/per 100km's. NOTE: THIS IS THE AVERAGE FIGURE HIGHWAY/CITY DRIVING, and that's NOT driving like a grandpa. on the club cruises, usage goes up between 9.5 & 11.0 which is excellent.

considering fuel comparision going by the "aust greenhouse office fuel guide" states 7.6 high way & 11.5 city, i think the 10.8l/100km can be easly acheived if not bettered.

just my opinion

Yeah but you drive like an old man Doug :P

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Woah..calm down Doug...it was a joke mate...

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: GOLD :bowrofl: dougy thats the best reaction ever.

all things fair i can get 11l/100 in my 4cyl 2nd gen, many ppl have said thats impossible......

hahahahahahah omg a skitzo in the mix... *backs away*

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Yes, but after all the hassels of chnaging cars and the compromises that you make to have a smaller car, its still not that significant in the whole cost of running a car, and as I mentioned LPG is a viable option that would retunr investment in less than a year for plenty of drivers.If one contacts Mitsubishi as advised by most installers one will find that Mitsubishi will inform that most magnas, particularly the AWD engines are not LPG compatible. Installation without the manufacturers approval will risk, almost certain upper engine body damage and void any warranty on a new Magna with immediate effect.

Fuel consumption is currently a marketing issue - it's not grounded in reality.

If people actually did the numbers and realised what they were spending in interest payments, insurance, servicing, petrol and all the sundries involved in buying a new car they'd move closer to their workplace and get a bicycle ;-)

But right now, people are reacting very strongly against large cars in all sectors of the market - SUVs, sedans, etc. How many Minis, Smart cars and Priuses are you seeing on the roads at the moment?

For Mitsu to launch a large car right now is almost suicide IMO. The aussie "I want a V8" mentality has the propensity to change _very_ rapidly. I believe it already has - note the discontinued Monaro.

The Monaro is being discontinued though because the pressings are near the end of their life (since it was never intended to be a volume model) and also so they end out on a high note, rather than people wishing it would go away like before.

I'm sure Mitsu have plans to release a "240" :D

The Monaro is being discontinued though because the pressings are near the end of their life

That is absolutely rubbish. If the car was selling at their targets they would make new pressings. A small technical issue such as that (if it were true) would never get in the way of a successful manufacturing operation.

Let's see how long it takes the dealers to offload the Monaro's that have already been manufactured. I bet we see an 04 and 05 Monaro "run out sale!" next year.

i bet it will be next week!!

That is absolutely rubbish. If the car was selling at their targets they would make new pressings. A small technical issue such as that (if it were true) would never get in the way of a successful manufacturing operation.

Let's see how long it takes the dealers to offload the Monaro's that have already been manufactured. I bet we see an 04 and 05 Monaro "run out sale!" next year.

dude the car was only ever intended to be low volume, however all of a sudden they started selling LOTS of them in the states, as such the tooling for the car is nearly all worn out. Manufacturing equipment has a usefull life you know! and its very expensive to replace manufacturing equipment once its worn out, and its not worth it when the new model commodore is being released next year anyway and its only a low volume car, they would never recoup the investment in replacing the tooling. They are NOT discontinuing the monaro cos it is a failure, IT WAS THE BEST SELLING SPORTS CAR ON THE MARKET FOR NEARLY EVERY MONTH IT WAS ON SALE!!!

This, combined with a couple of other things you have said in this thread, leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea what your talking about and need to learn some facts rather then just assuming stuff

Misubishi has a reputation for understating their car's fuel consumption - Yes I am calling them a liar - 10.8L/100km is not achievable in any day-to-day mom & dad driving, I don't believe this number at all.

mitsuishi doest measure its own fuel economy, this is measured independantly by whoever it is who puts the fuel economy stickers on all new cars. The figure is a COMBINED city AND highway milage. Mitsubishi says the 380 uses approximately 14l/100km in city driving, and around 8l/100km on highway driving. Once again learn facts before making acusations

and besides, i can acheive 11l/100km driving to work every day through peak hour traffic! learn how to drive with smooth and consistant throttle inputs and learn how to only work engine as muh as you need to to keep up with traffic and you too will see these very achievable fuel consumption figures

with fuel consuption, and emission issues blah blah blah taken into consideration...

is it possible that once it is tuned with a few mods intake exhaust. maybe after market computer it'll have a lot more umph...

is it just a monster waiting to come out is what im trying to say... does it have the potential for hi-po figures?

is it just a monster waiting to come out is what im trying to say... does it have the potential for hi-po figures?

alot of people in the know are saying yes.. some are saying that it wont take much effort at all to get it over 200kw

That is absolutely rubbish. If the car was selling at their targets they would make new pressings. A small technical issue such as that (if it were true) would never get in the way of a successful manufacturing operation.

Let's see how long it takes the dealers to offload the Monaro's that have already been manufactured. I bet we see an 04 and 05 Monaro "run out sale!" next year.

Go check Motor magazine. The car was never intended to be a volume seller, and they don't intend to get new pressings this late in the cars lifespan.


This, combined with a couple of other things you have said in this thread, leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea what your talking about and need to learn some facts rather then just assuming stuff

Indeed.

mitsuishi doest measure its own fuel economy, this is measured independantly by whoever it is who puts the fuel economy stickers on all new cars. The figure is a COMBINED city AND highway milage.
ok.


Mitsubishi says the 380 uses approximately 14l/100km in city driving, and around 8l/100km on highway driving. Once again learn facts before making acusations.
Doesn't this contradict what you just said above? :badgrin:


and besides, i can acheive 11l/100km driving to work every day through peak hour traffic! learn how to drive with smooth and consistant throttle inputs and learn how to only work engine as muh as you need to to keep up with traffic and you too will see these very achievable fuel consumption figures
Quite agree, but do you think you'll still achieve 11l/100km with a stock exhaust pipe bolted to your engine?

Doesn't this contradict what you just said above? :badgrin:

Dude go read it again.. the 10.8 is COMBINED city and highway, so you get the 8l/100km from the highway, then average it against 14l/100km on i think its a 60:40 ratio or something and bingo you get 10.8! wow omfgbbqpandawoooootbambi what a concept!!!111!!1one


Quite agree, but do you think you'll still achieve 11l/100km with a stock exhaust pipe bolted to your engine?

changing the rear muffler didnt make any difference at all to fuel economy.. if anything it made it worse cos you rev it move cos you wanna hear the sound :P:D

wow omfgbbqpandawoooootbambi

Wicked use of Language...Spoken like a true Net Surfer... :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Dude go read it again.. the 10.8 is COMBINED city and highway, so you get the 8l/100km from the highway, then average it against 14l/100km on i think its a 60:40 ratio or something and bingo you get 10.8! wow omfgbbqpandawoooootbambi what a concept!!!111!!1one
My calculator say 10.4l/100km for a 60:40 ratio with your numbers.
:badgrin:
Din quite fly Enstine.

My calculator say 10.4l/100km for a 60:40 ratio with your numbers.
:badgrin:
Din quite fly Enstine.
How to spell it is Einstien.

How to spell it is Einstien.


Actually, it's Einstein. :P

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

My calculator say 10.4l/100km for a 60:40 ratio with your numbers.
:badgrin:
Din quite fly Enstine.

edit: i said it was ABOUT 8l/100km for highway and ABOUT 14l/100km for city and i THINK its done on a 60:40 split! This is explains why i was a MASSIVE 0.4 out!!!

The targeted 380 customers will predominantly be:

Male
The target age group is 35+, predominantly in the 40-56 year age group. With an average age of just over 48 years old. With 380 we are aiming to reduce our reliance on 50+ customers
Married with no children living at home
The target is to improve our appeal to a broader target market. Improving our appeal to white collar clerical as well as white collar professionals / senior managers
Income levels generally over $60,000
City / urban dweller in eastern seaboard state
The targeted 380 owners’ psychographic profiles cluster towards Visible Achievement, Socially Aware and Traditional Family Life in the Roy Morgan Research value segmentation.
Vehicle usage is around the suburbs or city streets, however importantly customers still use their vehicles for long trips.
Main reasons for choosing a Mitsubishi are; manufacturer, value for money, and design. With 380 we have made an incremental step with design and quality finish.
Mitsubishi large sedan owners are generally very satisfied with their vehicles with main strengths being; room/comfort, performance and design.
Popular information sources for the purchase process are; advertising on TV, newspaper and magazines; road tests in newspapers and magazines; sales brochures and sales people.

I'm in your target group and frankly, I agree with everybody else, I dont like the back and a bit more power would have been useful. I like the reappearance of the fully framed doors and the rest of it has a lot of potential. I'm not sure I prefer it over a Ford but it's definately better the the Holden. Close, but only time will tell. Some of the photochops (particularly The Photographers ) would have the cheque book out though. :D

As fer fuel economy you get what your driving style deserves. :)

go back over my posts you ****ing prat!

i said it was ABOUT 8l/100km for highway and ABOUT 14l/100km for city and i THINK its done on a 60:40 split! This is explains why i was a MASSIVE 0.4 out!!!

THE WORDS ARE "I DIDNT REALISE THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND!!" why is it so hard for people to concede they are wrong?? :nuts: :rant:

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OFFICIAL Member - AMC /// Debating Club you said it!! :bowrofl:

but yeah, what your saying is right!! Although i know for a fact 60:40 split doesnt work for me, its more like highway 20 city 80.. suppose that 60:40 factor would be an average aswell, so they get the average amount of driving conditions people do, then work out the average fuel economy for both, then find out the average of that... seems like too many averages for me.. all i know is my trip computer says 11.9 L/100kms lol

go back over my posts you ****ing prat!

i said it was ABOUT 8l/100km for highway and ABOUT 14l/100km for city and i THINK its done on a 60:40 split! This is explains why i was a MASSIVE 0.4 out!!!

THE WORDS ARE "I DIDNT REALISE THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND!!" why is it so hard for people to concede they are wrong?? :nuts: :rant: :nuts: :rant:Hook line and sinker!

Hey, What was it you didn't realize again?

:bowrofl:

edit: stop being silly Joukowski lol

Cool it dude. Piece.

:D

stuff off Joukowski, your being an ass and you know it :nuts:
Settle petal, don't you ever get tired of arguing? lol life would be a lot smoother if you just stressed a little less. ;) take a deep breath and smile :D


Cool it dude. Piece.

:D
It's peace by the way he he

/spelling police

edit: cos i am :)

Settle petal, don't you ever get tired of arguing? lol life would be a lot smoother if you just stressed a little less. ;) take a deep breath and smile :D

edit: *takes deep breath and smiles*

IM the one who was arguing?? you gotta be kidding me :nuts:
ha ha, you always argue... smile :D

ha ha, you always argue... smile :D

edit: *smiles again*

not denying that, but in THIS case i was responding to someone who even admitted that he was trying to provoce an argument, yet you take issue with me?
Am I taking an 'issue with you'? I am backing out because I can... just get over it... the worlds not out to get you.

Edit: ...oh... and smile! :D

edit: fine i appologise for over reacting, and sorry for screwing up this thread. Mods can delete argument if they wish

its peace actually, see i can be annoying too



You are annoying

You are annoying

if your trying to start me up again it wont work

Dam


it used to be so Easy hahahaha



Im just tryin to get a rise outa ya mate, no harm intended

Dam


it used to be so Easy hahahaha



Im just tryin to get a rise outa ya mate, no harm intended

i know :D

i've forgotten.. what was this thread about again? lol

KB the Killjoy says:

This thread better get back on topic after this post or it's getting closed :P

Who the *** are you to call me a wanker KILLBILLY you dumb piece of ****, I done *** all wrong in that forum you stoopid tool. Just thought I better come back one last time to tell you to "GET ***d" -ass hole. This is the last time I will come back here to your *** up little unwelcoming forum so NO NEED TO REPLY, you would only be amusing yourselves =-) :D ...Have a nice day dumb ass






ps, 7 bathurst's in a row aint bad ***HOLDEN 4 EVER***

Thanks for making another account to flame me madverada aka broken verada.

I am touched at the fact that you went to the effort to come back and abuse me (referring to your deleted post, which I restored for all to see just how much you admitted your undying love for me). I must've really left a good impression on you.

For that I am glad.

Go in peace.

ok, so he's buys a cr*pped up verada off ebay, and uses that to sum up the whole range?




:fruitcake :owned:

ah well, the commo he buys may do the k's he refers to (i highly doubt it will get to 500,000+ but meh) but up till then he'll have to do a f*ckload more repairs than anything else.

ah well, good riddance to bad rubbish :D

now where were we... oh yeah, 380 is cool lol

The is no possible way in which to improve the above. I feel soiled and dirty after reading that.

FOR SHAME

The is no possible way in which to improve the above. I feel soiled and dirty after reading that.

FOR SHAME
I removed it before I get a flood of reported posts :doubt: he should have known better anyway!