I am looking at buying a magna from the 2000 to 2003 era and are looking at the AWD or Ralliart magna.

I will be doing mods to the car and am hoping for 200KW at the wheels N/A. I very much like the look of the ralliart magna but with the extra power won't the FWD cause some major traction problems?

Would it be better to buy a ralliart or get an AWD and add on the ralliart kit?

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25888

ralliart is DEFINATLY the better option, cheers to micjaiy for the punt :D

AWD in the TJ are the first of the series, only automatic, ralliart kits are hard to come by without the vin numbers, and are VERY expensive...

plus, you get HEAPS more gear in the ralliarts, LSD, Stereo, Interior, Bodykit, and a limited edition car...

only a total of 565 ralliarts built, less than 100 of those were manual..

awesome car to drive, the suspension and brakes are AWESOME standard on the car...

all in all it comes to personal preferance, but the AWD are slower than their 2WD (FWD) counterparts due to the usual 4WD drivetrain losses...

the sprintex SUPERCHARGED AWD only pulled a 15.2 second 1/4 Mile... the rallliarts with minor work will pull mid to low 14's...

good luck with your decision mate :D

ta Chris

Traction will cause issues, there is TCL on the Ralliart, and an LSD.

The extra weight of the AWD system, coupled with drivetrain losses means that the ralliart is a quicker car, when all said and done with the same mods.

BUT that said, straightline acceleration is not everything...

Cheers
Heath Young

if i was modding a car i would probably start with an AWD, but then again i wouldnt but a TJ anything, i'd be getting a TL so meh

i say go a vrx instead :P

reason being if u wanna mod ur car to 200kw's ull get rid of most of the factory "performance" ralliart gear if u was to buy one in search of more power,

so u can save that extra money and get a vrx or a sports and put it into better bits:P ...

and yeah AWD is nice but its not WRX/EVO style nice ....if u know what i mean

and yeah AWD is nice but its not WRX/EVO style nice ....if u know what i mean

its still better then FWD

and its only not WRX and EVO nice cos it doesnt have the power behind it.. i reckon if you had 250kw it'd be every bit as nice :D

The lack of power is the only thing that lets the AWD magna down some.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Why the heck didn't mitsubishi make an AWD ralliart!!! :nuts:

Cheers
Heath Young

doesnt the AWD have an LSD??

Its rear diff is the LSD off of a Evo VI RS.
The front one is an open diff off of a Evo VI RS / Evo VII
And the centre diff is viscous limited ... its the same as the Evo VI

so blah to Ralliarts LSD's.
and AWD brakes are sim too.

show me a ralliart in the wet...

http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/newsarticle.html?&start=10&showall=&id=MIT&doc=mit0212041
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5949460%255E13232,00.html

the AWD is arguably a better platform for mods if $$ aint a problem ...

torque steer doesn't feel nice ... as i've been experiencing recently

Traction will cause issues, there is TCL on the Ralliart, and an LSD.
TCL is only on the auto box, LSD only on the manual.

The only thing that concerns me about the AWD platfrom is that theyare auto only. I would prefer something manual. The quarter mile drag time of the supercharged AWD is somewhat of a suprise. But at what powerlevel does the FWD stop being effective at putting the power ot the ground?

How does the dry handling of the 2 compare? Im not overly worried about how fast I can go in the wet because I won't be pushing anywere near the limits in the wet or questionable roads.

and its only not WRX and EVO nice cos it doesnt have the power behind it.. i reckon if you had 250kw it'd be every bit as nice :D


u can put a sprintex super charger and run a 15 second flat on an AWD :S ... u call that bang for buck:S

i agree with seafood go ralliart or vrx

traction is ****ed to about 80km/h at about 165kwatw for ralliart, if you actually think you can get 200kwatw with an awd do it....te's manual 3L v6 do as fast as that supercharged awd...quarter though

get an get a VY SS or a XR6 T ;)

traction is ****ed to about 80km/h at about 165kwatw for ralliart, if you actually think you can get 200kwatw with an awd do it....te's manual 3L v6 do as fast as that supercharged awd...quarter though

that's rubbish. I've got 165kW ATW and have no traction issues in a straight line. I also have 16" wheels with 215/60 tyres which probably helps.

How much power do the AWD have that the wheels stock? Are they really that slow in a straight line? It would have to be something about the gears thats makes it so slow across the quarter.

I am looking at buying a magna from the 2000 to 2003 era and are looking at the AWD or Ralliart magna.

I will be doing mods to the car and am hoping for 200KW at the wheels N/A. I very much like the look of the ralliart magna but with the extra power won't the FWD cause some major traction problems?

Would it be better to buy a ralliart or get an AWD and add on the ralliart kit?





this is wat u guys are missing the point [higlighted]. for starter awd are auto only to get 200kwatw for this will cost u almost the price of a base 380 :badgrin: lol :badgrin:

blah... all missing the point.
quarter miles dont represent real world.

i can get around empty multilevel carparks and any roads with corners or rain on them in my stock AWD much quiker than i can in 2wd cars ... more power or not.

the diff is in the extra power to the ground in all stances... no wheel spin, no tyre squeal, no nothing.

go try one for a day and see.
(and if u dont agree...then fine... the smart people will keep the AWD's for themselves...)

AWD = Auto only, heavy, fuel guzzler.

If you want power, start with a VRX or Ralliart. You'll spend less money for the power plus you get all the nice kit.

How does the dry handling of the 2 compare? Im not overly worried about how fast I can go in the wet because I won't be pushing anywere near the limits in the wet or questionable roads.
dry handling of the ralliarts are AWESOME, wet (with my mods) is almost even... took it through some of teh "nastier" roads in adl (hills) the other week, couldnt get it to slip, but then again ive spent 4K on suspension... BUT thats on stock rims also remember, put some nice __x8" rims on it and it will be near flawless

also, with the straight line traction, again that was fixed with the suspension... with the antilift kit etc there is HEAPS more, like HEAPS more straight line traction, plus being manual you get the LSD in it...

its an awesome car, i just dont have the $$$ to get it up to the specs i would like, so im downgrading to a more powerful 4cyl turbo... prolly not the wisest thing but hey, money is there to make you happy no?

never driven an awd magna so i can really comment on them, but from the specs etc i have seen the ralliart still is the best magna built, bang for buck etc

what some people forget with the extra $$$ in the ralliart over the vrx is the extras you get, ie:
-awesome interior
-awesome stock stereo (i added subs to it, nothing else, one of the best systems ive heard)
-LSD
-rims (nice in MY opinion, others not so keen)
-higher compression (handy if your going for BIG kw ratings)
-already has .5 cams on it
-NAMEBADGE (doesnt matter what else happens, its a REAL ralliart :D)

anywho, thats enough outta me, im going back to 1 line spamming :D

Been doing some research on gearboxes...

Turns out the W5A51 in the AWD is the gearbox used in the Lancer Evo 7...

Its Manual cousin is the W5M51.

Both boxes have the input and output shafts in the same position (duh) and can handle up to 510nm of torque (where the 51 comes from).

Hmmmm....

The similarities between the EVO and AWD don't stop there - apparently the transfer case and rear diff are the same. Imagine a supercharger kit on a W5M51 equipped AWD...

Take off the AWD badges and you would have the ultimate sleeper (far more appealing than the audacious Ralliart bodykit (one of the reasons I didn't buy one))

Nuts :)

Cheers
Heath Young

i say go a vrx instead :P

reason being if u wanna mod ur car to 200kw's ull get rid of most of the factory "performance" ralliart gear if u was to buy one in search of more power,


Yeah good point.. all the things u will upgrade the ralliart has over the VRX but you will wanna change them anyway.. the LSD is the only thing i wish i had off the ralliart.. :D Oh and i so wish i had one of those big drift wings too... lol

Ralliart and AWD are two totally differant cars.. cant compare the two.... :confused:

Yep

Ralliart = Power
AWD = Control

And as they say power is nothing without control - Autospeed's review of the manual ralliart is pretty good proof of this - first line... "We never met a kilowatt we didn't like... Until now"

Cheers
Heath Young

Yep

Ralliart = Power
AWD = Control

And as they say power is nothing without control - Autospeed's review of the manual ralliart is pretty good proof of this - first line... "We never met a kilowatt we didn't like... Until now"

hrmm, yeah... i think those guys are retards... just not used to the car

once settled in, there is AWESOME control in the ralliart... unbelievable... even on the stock koni's...

autospeed have no credit in my book :D

Yep

Ralliart = Power
AWD = Control

And as they say power is nothing without control - Autospeed's review of the manual ralliart is pretty good proof of this - first line... "We never met a kilowatt we didn't like... Until now"

Cheers
Heath Young

Yeah but you can be out of control in a festiva.. only stupid people who cant drive cant control a car properly.. every single car is differant.. even two the same cars handle and drive differant.. you just got to adjust your driving and limits to match.. :D

Do awd vehicles even have a LSD? I thought they come with "viscous coupling."

If you want a car to handle in the wet and thats it, then go for an AWD. most of the time its dry and thats when we usually want to play so a VR-X or Ralliart would give better performance on the road, the track might be a little different.

With mods on top of a ralliart you can really get them hauling. I raced a sprintex AWD magna one night in the dry and there was no match even when i gave him a head start.(i have a few bolt on performance mods of course)

horses for courses it just depends on what purpose the car will be used for most of the time, both cars have benifits that the other doesnt

Well said TZA.

I test drove an AWD after selling my first Ralliart and lets just say after the drive, i ran to find another Rallliart and purchased that.

There is really no comparison, one is for the family to go to soccer and school and the other is to have some fun and put the power down.

Let's just say the Ralliart would never be seen at school or the soccer field.

In my opinion, the Ralliart outhandles the AWD in wet and dry due to its suspension set-up and ease of control over the power.

Do the maths on that.

In my opinion, the Ralliart outhandles the AWD in wet and dry due to its suspension set-up and ease of control over the power.

Do the maths on that.

You simply can not get the same wet weather handling of an AWD with a RWD or especially FWD.

Every review of the AWD Magna I have ever read has stated the AWD as another level of handling to any other Magna.

You simply can not get the same wet weather handling of an AWD with a RWD or especially FWD.

Every review of the AWD Magna I have ever read has stated the AWD as another level of handling to any other Magna.
what he said though, was ITS DRYER THAN IT IS WET

and who pokes it in the wet anyway?

most ppl stay indoors at a pub, or something wholesome like that lol

In my opinion, the Ralliart outhandles the AWD in wet and dry due to its suspension set-up and ease of control over the power.

Do the maths on that.

If hes looking at getting 200kW ATW is he really going to have stock suspension? No the AWD is not fast in a straight line, but in the wet it would leave a ralliart for dead. If you want to go really fast then I would go the ralliart. But if you want to go really fast I would go for an EVO, no way around it. Also it would end up being cheaper for the power increase gained.

IMO if someone wants 200KW ATW go buy a SS or XR6T. Don't waste your time trying to get blood out of a stone with any type of Magna when the hard work is already done for you on the above mentioned cars.

']what he said though, was ITS DRYER THAN IT IS WET

and who pokes it in the wet anyway?

Relax, not saying the ralliarts are crap man (if I were in the market for a sporty family car I'd buy one)lol but don't talk them up into super sports cars that will outhandle an AWD. Do similar mods in suspention to both and see what happens. Stock for stock jurnoes regard the AWD the best handlling Magna EVER.

And if I could safelly poke it (as you say) in the wet I would. At east you can power oversteer in an AWD :D

IMO if someone wants 200KW ATW go buy a SS or XR6T. Don't waste your time trying to get blood out of a stone with any type of Magna when the hard work is already done for you on the above mentioned cars.
It's not really that hard to get 200kW ATW out of a FWD magna. And when you compare the price of a magna + mods against an SS or XR6T + mods the up front cost comparisson doesn't necessarily make the magna worse off. And the there's fuel economy (vs the V8 at least)...

Sorry but an awd magna would out handle any other magna in the line up. It's a fact!
The reason that there is such a divide here is because the awd doesn't come in manual, and we all seem to think that a real performance car has to be a manual.
At the end of the day it's up to you're driving habits.

Yea the story would be different if it came in 5 or a 6 speed. The awd has three things working against it; 4 wheel drivetrain loss, auto drivetrain loss, and extra weight from the auto.

It's not really that hard to get 200kW ATW out of a FWD magna. And when you compare the price of a magna + mods against an SS or XR6T + mods the up front cost comparisson doesn't necessarily make the magna worse off. And the there's fuel economy (vs the V8 at least)...



Fuel economy with the LS1's arnt that bad, I'm averaging 13lt per hundred with 10min of highway driving and 20min of urban driving, and with exhaust, intake and a ECU edit that drops about 1-2lt or something like that. My magna was at 11lt doing the same course. Oh its auto and a optioned up Berlina so is heavyer than an SS aswell.

If that's true then that's pretty good... 11lt tho in a magna :shock: I get 10.2 out of mine, mainly town driving... 6-7 highway driving.

It's not really that hard to get 200kW ATW out of a FWD magna. And when you compare the price of a magna + mods against an SS or XR6T + mods the up front cost comparisson doesn't necessarily make the magna worse off. And the there's fuel economy (vs the V8 at least)...

I don't agree... There is a whole lot more then just bolt on mods to consider in the whole equation. If you were to buy a TJ or TL with low Kms and spend 10K on it what resale are you going to get back? Likely to be even or worse off just months down the track! XR6T and SS are holding their values far better than Magna and as a bonus they are RWD with cheap bolt on parts for even more power and neither have antiquated interiors like Magna.

Performance parts for Magna are dear and scarce. For a Magna you are looking at $8000.00+ for a Supercharger (what a ****en joke!) For Commohore they can be had for $3995.00!

If you compare apples with apples those who are 100% focused on acheiving more than 200Kw+ ATW from a Magna IMO are smoking grass. There are far better options out there. The Magna was never developed to "do up" but rather it was designed as a family car. You are kidding yourself if you think you will get your money's worth out of a "done up" Magna. You will just end up emptying your pockets continously for no real long term benefit other than reaking havoc on your bank balance.

Don't get me wrong but i just think some people on here have rocks in their heads and false expectations (and money to burn!) by thinking it's a worthline excersize trying to obtain ridiculous power levels from their Magna!

Save you hard earned for a 380 Turbo in a year or go buy a XR6T, EVO or SS if your that desperate for power.

IMO if someone wants 200KW ATW go buy a SS or XR6T. Don't waste your time trying to get blood out of a stone with any type of Magna when the hard work is already done for you on the above mentioned cars.




I don't agree... There is a whole lot more then just bolt on mods to consider in the whole equation. If you were to buy a TJ or TL with low Kms and spend 10K on it what resale are you going to get back? Likely to be even or worse off just months down the track! XR6T and SS are holding their values far better than Magna and as a bonus they are RWD with cheap bolt on parts for even more power and neither have antiquated interiors like Magna.

Performance parts for Magna are dear and scarce. For a Magna you are looking at $8000.00+ for a Supercharger (what a ****en joke!) For Commohore they can be had for $3995.00!

If you compare apples with apples those who are 100% focused on acheiving more than 200Kw+ ATW from a Magna IMO are smoking grass. There are far better options out there. The Magna was never developed to "do up" but rather it was designed as a family car. You are kidding yourself if you think you will get your money's worth out of a "done up" Magna. You will just end up emptying your pockets continously for no real long term benefit other than reaking havoc on your bank balance.

Don't get me wrong but i just think some people on here have rocks in their heads and false expectations (and money to burn!) by thinking it's a worthline excersize trying to obtain ridiculous power levels from their Magna!

Save you hard earned for a 380 Turbo in a year or go buy a XR6T, EVO or SS if your that desperate for power.

FINALLY A REALIST!! couldnt agree more,

also how many of u have actually DRIVEN BOTH RALLIART/VRX AND AWD? very few i suspect ............ AWD is an awsome car handles great .. but it just dosnt get the blood pumping ... ralliart/ vrx does for me.

it comes down to each to their own but if u want a great AWD fast car then go wrx/evo/gsr/vr4 galant etc ... if u want a nice ride go the magna awd

I don't agree... There is a whole lot more then just bolt on mods to consider in the whole equation. If you were to buy a TJ or TL with low Kms and spend 10K on it what resale are you going to get back? Likely to be even or worse off just months down the track! XR6T and SS are holding their values far better than Magna and as a bonus they are RWD with cheap bolt on parts for even more power and neither have antiquated interiors like Magna.

Performance parts for Magna are dear and scarce. For a Magna you are looking at $8000.00+ for a Supercharger (what a ****en joke!) For Commohore they can be had for $3995.00!

If you compare apples with apples those who are 100% focused on acheiving more than 200Kw+ ATW from a Magna IMO are smoking grass. There are far better options out there. The Magna was never developed to "do up" but rather it was designed as a family car. You are kidding yourself if you think you will get your money's worth out of a "done up" Magna. You will just end up emptying your pockets continously for no real long term benefit other than reaking havoc on your bank balance.

Don't get me wrong but i just think some people on here have rocks in their heads and false expectations (and money to burn!) by thinking it's a worthline excersize trying to obtain ridiculous power levels from their Magna!

Save you hard earned for a 380 Turbo in a year or go buy a XR6T, EVO or SS if your that desperate for power.


wow, what do we have here? :shock:

I'm sure there was a valid reason why I bought my second Magna over getting a hi-po Commodore. I'm sure my reasoning consisted on price, performance and creativity. So why are we having a *****-fight over turning our Magna's into high performance cars (I did not say super performance)?

dude, you of all people here should realise there is a potential in increasing the performance of the Magna, considering you own a Ralliart yourself. If there was no potential, I'm sure people like Tzaboy, Velocity, VRX II, Watchme, Cthulhu and anyone else wouldn't be wasting their time and money into their cars and giving us an inspiration to follow....


And don't tell me about the money, lets see... a brand spanking new XR6T is ~$45,000. Just had a quick look in Carsales, avg. price for a 2 year old XR6 is ~$30,000. Okay, a '01 TJ Manual for $15,000, and lets say we add a Sprintex Supercharger for an additional $8000 makes it just inder $25k. Depreciation rate for a 01 model has drastically slowed down. Anyway modifying any car will not help resale values at all, anyone thinking of modifying their car shouldn't even think about resale values.


P.S. I ain't dissing the Falcon, just used it as a prime example. One of my current favourite cars, just I don't have $45k + on road costs to buy one lol

wow, what do we have here? :shock:

I'm sure there was a valid reason why I bought my second Magna over getting a hi-po Commodore. I'm sure my reasoning consisted on price, performance and creativity. So why are we having a *****-fight over turning our Magna's into high performance cars (I did not say super performance)?

dude, you of all people here should realise there is a potential in increasing the performance of the Magna, considering you own a Ralliart yourself. If there was no potential, I'm sure people like Tzaboy, Velocity, VRX II, Watchme, Cthulhu and anyone else wouldn't be wasting their time and money into their cars and giving us an inspiration to follow....


And don't tell me about the money, lets see... a brand spanking new XR6T is ~$45,000. Just had a quick look in Carsales, avg. price for a 2 year old XR6 is ~$30,000. Okay, a '01 TJ Manual for $15,000, and lets say we add a Sprintex Supercharger for an additional $8000 makes it just inder $25k. Depreciation rate for a 01 model has drastically slowed down. Anyway modifying any car will not help resale values at all, anyone thinking of modifying their car shouldn't even think about resale values.

no i dont think thats what he is trying to say,

magnas r quick cars no doubt about it FOR WHAT THEY R, but they just cannot compete with XR6 T, V8's mosst 4cyl turbo's in terms of top end performance, cartanly u can mod a magna NA to give these guys a run but when they start modding diferent story, i mean come on lets be realistic about this i love my magna, i wanna make it quick, but its never gonna be up there with a GTR, or a or 2jze tt supra... i think MANUAL and BAIN would agree with this as they have sold their magnas for something with more power and built with performance intent

and i aint saying TZA BOY, VELOCITY, RPW have waisted their money at all! what im saying is its always going to be a FWD family car, even though i love the cars they r no XR6T, GTR, RZ SUPRA, MONARO, etc

i jus treally think there is a mentality on here for ppl to think magnas r better than what they really are, just the same as any ford or falcon forum :P lol , i honestly thin if u wanna chase big power figures and performance go for something that it is intended for and NOT a magna, if u wanna play round with it have some fun and have a hot looking sleeper then magnas is the car for u :)

my oppinion dont flame me for it

Agreed!

Absolutely, I agree that as many mods as you can do to a Magna, it will never reach the same potential as highly modded XR6T's or similar vehicle mainly due to the dreaded....must I say...FWD setup.

I don't feel at all that Magna's are better then what they really are, but it does have a degree of potential for modding.

The way I interpreted the above posts was that we are all wasting our money trying to reach power outputs similar to standard output of our cousin car's (Falcondore) and I can't agree to that, the way I see it is that it is entirely possible without having to sacrificing $45k and still with good drivibility even with the FWD setup.



If you compare apples with apples those who are 100% focused on acheiving more than 200Kw+ ATW from a Magna IMO are smoking grass.

I guess the question is, how do we compare apples with apples? Compare a stock magna with a stock V6 N/A Falcon/Commodore and then do comparitive costs and potential modding analysis? True I think the Falcon wins hands down in this argument due to the availability of the DEV modding packages, but they don't come cheap, for the package itself (depending which package of course) and then the increase in fuel consumption.

So realistically, one needs to determine their needs, concern more about performance or costs? After my own research, I found getting the max performance at least costs (Initial + regular costs) would be to follow the Magna route. Else you want max performance and don't care about costs, go grab a XR6T/XR8, SV8/SS, or their FPV/HSV stuff. (By the way I've been using the Falcon/Commodore examples because I am using a family performance vehicle as our prime example, so target audience: Someone who wants a quick vehicle with room to spare.)

Are you guys serious? You guys are comparing V8 sports car to V6 family car. IF you wanna compare than compare it to another v6 family car or something. With V8s fuel economy is only good if you dont have a leadfoot.

Either way this post was about awd vs ralliart. I think the awd would only be better if you plan on upgrading ur auto gearbox. In stock form its gonna hold you back big time. Ideally, you can do a swap but then its gonna cost you money. If you do a lot of highway driving then ralliart is good cause of less drivetrain loss. I like my power up top cause its fun messing with ppl on the interstate.

i jus treally think there is a mentality on here for ppl to think magnas r better than what they really are, just the same as any ford or falcon forum , i honestly thin if u wanna chase big power figures and performance go for something that it is intended for and NOT a magna, if u wanna play round with it have some fun and have a hot looking sleeper then magnas is the car for u
:stoopid:

but of course, ignorance is bliss

i also LOVE my magna, but, it is FAR too expensive to do it up to teh specs i want... i do wish to own a house ONE day... (lol) so im going the 4Cyl 4WD option... cheap power, and still domestic (woot woot) because i STILL hate ****en imports :D

dude, you of all people here should realise there is a potential in increasing the performance of the Magna, considering you own a Ralliart yourself.

Yes i own a Ralliart and i bought it for the "WOW" factor. 180Kw at the flywheel helped make my decision but at the end of the day it's not me wanting to spend thousands of dollars on a car that has not been engineered for 200Kw+ ATW. Personally i am not happy with the power of my Ralliart and like another member has mentioned there is no point wasting the money to obtain more power from Magna when they are far better cars out there with far more potential.

For me to get significant power gains from my car will cost me between 8-10K. For the price of a Ralliart today and the mods i could easily buy a XR6T so what would you do? Look, i do like the Magna's and have been driving them when most of you were in nappies but at the end of the day i have realized there is a limit and to let commonsense prevail. When you have companies charging ludicrous prices for major performance mods to suit Magna it doesn't help either.

It is my opinion from both a sensible side and a financial side that trying to get 200Kw ATW (260Kw at the flywheel) is not acheivable without spending between $10-$25K (turbo(s), supercharger, transmission, gearbox, cv's, engine mounts, internal mods etc). If your prepared to spend those figures on a Magna then like my previous post, you have rocks in your head but it's your money. Do what you want with it.

FWIW - It's my opinion and if you don't like it DEAL WITH IT.

Yep. Autobox in the AWD is the stumbling block. It is heavy, and soaks up a fair bit of power.

That Lancer Evolution VII 5 speed manual (or Evo VIII 6 speed) is looking pretty attractive at the moment - same gearbox, need to swap bellhousing (obviously) flywheel and clutch.

Plus the rest of the stuff (clutch pedal, shifter, cables).

Sounds like hard work to me :(

Resale value is a concern to some people... You only ever modify a car for yourself, not for the next person who buys it.

Cheers
Heath Young

Thank you for the replies. For those of you asking why I would bother with a 200KW magna it's because it is something different. I want to have a car that doesn't follow in other peoples footsteps and who would expect a magna to be quick even with a ralliart body kit?

Modding any car is expensive and you NEVER get any real gains for it (appart from a quick car) the fun it seeing your project go from the start to the end and fixing problems along the way. To save some money 90% of the labour will be done by me (appart from things such as dyno tuning) and labour is a considerable cost factor.

It is my opinion from both a sensible side and a financial side that trying to get 200Kw ATW (260Kw at the flywheel) is not acheivable without spending between $10-$25K (turbo(s), supercharger, transmission, gearbox, cv's, engine mounts, internal mods etc). If your prepared to spend those figures on a Magna then like my previous post, you have rocks in your head but it's your money. Do what you want with it.

FWIW - It's my opinion and if you don't like it DEAL WITH IT.
This just proves how little you actually know about the subject. 200kW ATW from a FWD Magna costs less than $10,000, does not require forced induction, does not require a new gearbox, cvs or engine mounts, but might at some point require a new clutch. It is unlikely to come without sacrifices, but I'll let you know in a month or so.

What annoys me about people like you is how you have an opinion about something and naturally assume everyone who doesn't hold that opinion is either wrong or an idiot.

Who are you to challenge my motivations? Go away.

This just proves how little you actually know about the subject. 200kW ATW from a FWD Magna costs less than $10,000, does not require forced induction, does not require a new gearbox, cvs or engine mounts, but might at some point require a new clutch. It is unlikely to come without sacrifices, but I'll let you know in a month or so.

What annoys me about people like you is how you have an opinion about something and naturally assume everyone who doesn't hold that opinion is either wrong or an idiot.

Who are you to challenge my motivations? Go away.

I know more than you think arsewipe. Don't assume.The last time i looked this WAS a public forum and as such everyone is entitled to an opinion whether or not tools like you like it or not. I am not challenging your motivations, only you are by bothering to challenge mine. As i said earlier, it's your money, do what ever you want as long as it keeps you happy. For me i will be doing the "sane" thing and won't be wasting my money on an endless battle to obtain more power from a FWD Magna. Each to there own i say....

I know more than you think arsewipe. Don't assume.The last time i looked this WAS a public forum and as such everyone is entitled to an opinion whether or not tools like you like it or not. I am not challenging your motivations, only you are by bothering to challenge mine. As i said earlier, it's your money, do what ever you want as long as it keeps you happy. For me i will be doing the "sane" thing and won't be wasting my money on an endless battle to obtain more power from a FWD Magna. Each to there own i say....
But here's the thing. You say you know a whole lot, but you make patently false statements about the feasibility of achieving more than 200kW at the wheels. So either you don't know as much as you think you do, or you are deliberately misleading people. Perhaps there's a grey area too where you just made a mistake.

You are challenging my motivations by telling me and anyone else like me that we have rocks in our heads and that our quest to improve our car's performance is futile and ridiculous. That's what challenging motivations is.

Absolutely, each to their own. You're happy with your car, I'm not, yet. But at least I don't run around telling everyone they're idiots because they want to leave their cars stock.

BTW, I'm particularly amused that you're now hurling personal insults at me. That's a nice touch and lends credability to your character.

Rather then continue this childish debate on these forums (and put this thread more off topic) i request that we continue this via PM. Quite clearly you too have a point to prove however you haven't done the mods yet either so what are you to know? Motivation is one thing and spending the money acheiving them is another.

My information came from good sources from both MMAL, RPW, Sprintex and reading prior posts of people that have been there and done that. Clearly you must be blind as a bat to miss these threads.

PM sent. Cheers.

have you guy butted heads :bowrofl:

A FWD wit a lot of suspension work and some good tires can be a beast. Couple guys took a talon (2.0L turbo FWD) and made it into a 11 second car no internal work. There is VW FWd running 9s. There are more FWD out there that can beat a RWD. Its all weight to power. Yes i know it wont be as fast a awd to the quarter.

fwd is ****, get the 4wd

edit: drag racing is kinda dull too.

FWD wit a lot of suspension work and some good tires can be a beast. Couple guys took a talon (2.0L turbo FWD) and made it into a 11 second car no internal work. There is VW FWd running 9s. There are more FWD out there that can beat a RWD. Its all weight to power. Yes i know it wont be as fast a awd to the quarter.



how can u compare FWD drag cars to a STREET FWD, look at the so called "crx" running 10's ( i think) it have humungo wheels at the front and tiny little trainer wheels at the back its just not comparable

how can u compare FWD drag cars to a STREET FWD, look at the so called "crx" running 10's ( i think) it have humungo wheels at the front and tiny little trainer wheels at the back its just not comparable
hahahha i think i know the one your talking about, the red one?

haha its only GOT wheels on it, all stripped back to SFA...

no comparison...

for once i agree wiith _stonesour_ :P

:thumbsup:

It would depend what u r after. If you want straight line speed off the mark go the Ralliart. If you want all round handling, and rolling acceleration go a supercharged VRX AWD. Just ask Tony Hamilton at Sprintex, they put a ralliart up against they're Supercharged TL VRX AWD. Straight line, yeah the ralliart still one. Ask TZABOY, his ralliart was deadset quicker straight line then my supercharged TW VRX AWD (Although I think he was surprised that he didn't get much on me) Through the corners into it though and you have a totally different proposition. I'm not to sure, I think it was Kiwana?, but they put through a ralliart and the supercharged VRX AWD Magna. The S/C AWD VRX came out seconds ahead around the track.

All in all the TW VRX AWD supercharged magna that I bought I would recommend to anyone that enjoys driving, particularly including the corners and at $46000 on road, lowered, 18inch rims and tyres, supercharged, and insured, I think it is tremendous value.

It comes down to Do you want to beat people at the lights? Get a different car. a ralliart isnt going to do all that great against some of the other contenders. Do you want something with pace that you can throw through the corners? Get the AWD and supercharge it.

not every road is ded straight and a 1/4 mile long hey?

I have heard this many times before. "I want to get X amount of kw's on my Magna, what do you think?" 99% of the time, when it comes time to hand over the $$, the person realises how stupaid it is bang for buck and bails out on it. I can bet $20 towards AMC that this guy doesn't buy a Magna and get it up to 200kw at the wheels. A lot of people have good intentions, but rationality wins in the end, unless of course you actually do have rocks in your head...

And even if he did start working on a Magna, he would realise just how cost-ineffective it is and sell it for something else or at least put it up for sale -> For example, Bain, Booya, and recently about 3 Ralliart owners.