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Hi everyone, this is my first post.
I have just bought a magna awd with a sunroof to boot.
The car is plated July2003 and is brand spanking new. I love it.
Some questions: I want to improve the turn in and lower the car a tad 20-30mm and also would like to get back kilowatts that were stolen when they grafted this car together. Have spoken to the experts and am a little confused. I will not be putting a body kit on the car.
Ideas I have considered are Rpw headers designed for the tight clearances of the awd and of course a new exhaust system.
Cold air box ala RPW and a piggyback computer.
As I am 50 years young, I would like the car to look fairly standard and
not a dog and cat scarer. I have spare $$$ to achieve what I want and look forward to some posts on this topic.
Thanking everyone in advance and look forward to some ideas

My 2c worth..

Set of Pedders Lowered Springs and Monroe GT Gas shocks - Keep the ride comfortable whilst also being lowered. If your feeling adventurous, go SuperLow Lovell's, a couple of guys on here have them on their cars. Maybe even a set of OZ-RACING SuperTurismo's.. the rims may set you back a tad.. they an expensive choice..

K&N Replacement Panel Filter - Make it breathe easier.

You can go Lukey Exhaust, get the piping done while your there with a HiFlow Cat too. Then you can go RPW Extractors or get other custom ones.

With that.. you'll get a lil more power to boot and make it stick a lil more.. even thought its AWD.

An aftermarket computer wouldn't be too bad either.. i'm not the expert in this department though.. neither am I really an expert in any of the departments. Then after that..

RPW Cams - One fellow has gone Stage2.. He may be able to enlighten you on this..

Thats all I have.. Later

SuFz :evil:

welcome!!
sounds like you're on the right track.... but bear in mind your warranty when you start modding.... the k&n panel wont void warranty but mitsu might void certain parts of the warranty if aftermarket items are put in eg: lowered springs= suspension warranty void

otherwise.... good luck!! :D :D

good to have a young person in with us!!

Nothing to do with your question sorry but i welcome you here and hope you enjoy your um posts :)

Now to get my dad to learn how to use the computer....

pffft he still prefers the typewriter (oliveti 60 years old and still going...)

Don't go superlows, the car will not handle as well as if just getting lows. Is it the sports awd or standard awd. 17 inch wheels with lower profile tyres will increase handling as well.

As for engine mods...this gets a little harder.....panel filter yes, rear muffler yes but from then on anything else will void the warranty. Especially a piggyback computer, you may get away with the extractors as well without voiding warranty but I would talk to your dealer first, unless you don't care about the warranty. then up to you. I'm doing the exaust on mine a ram pod, Ralliart cams and computer but I work at Mits and I don't have to worry about warranty.

have fun with ya car

edit..

If you want to lower it, and have the $$$ to do it well, I'd say skip the pedders (middle range stuff) and go to Koni, much better quality. I'd also say King springs are the way to go.

I wouldn't lower it too much. I've heard that 17" rims dont fit on the AWD? If not then I'd see if it's possible to get wider rubber on the rims you have, or find some wider 16" rims you like (This is if you really want to do that of course) so you can get that extra grip.

And I agree with funky_fresian_cows on the whole warranty issue, chat to your dealer and see what you're allowed to do.

A lot of them say anything up to the throttle body is ok and exhaust anything up to the cat converter is ok.

But everywhere is different so you're best off to ask.

Would like to see some pics! :)

If you want to improve turn-in then check out the castor kits from Whiteline (http://www.whiteline.com.au). More castor is supposed to do that.

Hell, if you've got the money go for their whole handling pack! That will get it lowered and stiffened up in about the best way possible.

I've got Kings 40mm lowered springs on my car and right there it made a huge difference without looking slammed, which it sounds like you are trying to avoid.

My dealer is happy for me to put on extractors but were really nervous about the idea of modifying the intake with a pod setup.. they'd settle on an after market panel though. Its wise to check first!

As for changing the rest of the exhaust.. you've already got a 2.5" mandrel bent system there and you don't need much larger than that while its still N/A, but I understand it is a little more restrictive around the rear axle and whatnot so you might be able to pick up something through there..

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thankyou for the posts. I will keep the warranty advice in mind.
the car is a base awd with sunroof.
larger diameter rims won't fit as they foul the suspension knuckles.
yep springs and shocks are now on the list. I wonder what 40mm lower would look like??? Gee thats nearly 2 inches, I have taken on board the sports cat and performance muffler. Konis seen like the go and are adjustable, but what springs?? At the end of the day these will give me ride height.
There are wider 16'' rims out there, possibly too much choice.
K&N pod is a good move and I still thing a computer will give increases not normally possible.
I will now throw it over to you guys. Thanks once again.

Check at look at my post here (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2672) which has pics of the 40mm lowered Kings fitted.

great to have a AWD owner amoungst us!!

i'd have to go with the piggyback ECU as these are easily removed in the case of an insurance/dealer problem and will give a decent amount of power up especially if combined with other basic air flow related mods! Panel and muffler upgrade are essential!!

another thing is i cant see how larger diameter rims wont fit?!?!?! from what i've seen the larger diameter rims tend to protrude outwards, not inwards towards the suspension and if so a different offset would remedy the problem! basically what they (MMAL are saying that wider rims ,doesnt matter what diameter, will not fit!).... if someone could explain to me if this is wrong, please do, as its confusing me no end!!

Dingo: It's just what I read in some articles about the AWD, dunno why, I haven't bothered to look into it.

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thanks thulhu your car looks nice. Arecent road test suggested that larger diameter wheel will not fit. Ialso think the sports model awd has 16'' alloys also.
Now my suspension ideas are Pedders sports ryder springs, gas struts, also Pedders camber kit on each corner and a strut bar.
I have seen a lot of posts burning pedders products. I went to the local shop (Midland) and had a long chat . I inspected all of the above and was impressed.
Sure adj konis would be nice but when would I ever use them.
It seems with the camber kits installed I have a lot of adjustability anyway with improved turnin.
keep you ideas and thoughts coming everyone. This forum is magic.

Welcome aboard mate!!

Well you will definitely have your car scrutineered when you rock up on a cruise that is for sure! I will be going under it with a fine tooth comb!!

Also you are a first to bring an AWD to the forums and then try and modify it - so maybe you need to speak to RPW about the Twin Turbo kit for the AWD!! ;)

I am interested to see how the lowering goes on the AWD - so keep us posted!

Any more questions feel free to ask - I have king springs Superlow and normal low in my car an it is fitted with a Whiteline strut bar - and I also race my Magna at the local Auotkhanas - so it gets a good workout!!

Manual

Sure adj konis would be nice but when would I ever use them.

I actually wasnt referring to their adjustable series..I just meant their lower models. They're still much better than Pedders.

Anyway, you have to excuse me as I'm biased against Pedders, I'll let you know. But I have good reason to be the way I am. :D

Ultimately the choice is yours, I'd just recommend you go to a few other places that aren't Pedders to see what they can do for you.

Killbilly: Don't worry mate.. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just that yours is wrong.. ;)

Who needs warranty.. even though the TF wouldn't be on the road without it.. Stupid CVs buggered up in the first week.. Anyways.. If possible.. If you are able to provide the forum with pictures as it is now.. after its lowered.. and so on and so forth, as the mods go ahead, that'd be sweet!

Also.. There's a 55/60yr old fuller here in Brisbane with a KJ Verada Xi with 18s, big cannon exhaust, absolutely slammed, nice sound system and all that. Follow his steps ;)
Laters

SuFz :evil:

:badgrin:
thanks KJ GTV and Killbilly I haven't decided on what bits I will use,
but let me tell you the local Pedders fella is a gun.He knows his stuff and was terrific.
Some of the other suspension people have treated me like an idiot, so
getting the info on other suspension bits has been a pain.
Yep sound is on the menu too as are wheels K3GTV Like the sound of the old bloke in Bne/Wonderland.
Heres a question< why do some of these so called experts try and sell stuff you don't want and didn't ask for????
Manual i would love to do a cruise or two when the weather warms up, so
i"ll hold you to that......

Hi and welcome.
Before you go ordering the caster kit .. make sure that your car doesnt already have one.
My TH Sports did from factory... Im unsure if it was "just" for the sports or for newer cars as well.
Point is make sure you arent ordering something you 1) cannot return 2) dont need.

Haydn

PS depending on where the knuckle is on the suspension... a different offset wheel should be fine... Falcons are the same spacings but different offsets for eg.

I know the AWD's exhaust is slightly more restrictive but where's the restriction? I thought I read somewhere that how it goes over the rear axle cause the restriction but the FWD models do that anyway. If it is that point, will the bolt on Lukey still fit?

Welcome too, dude.

p.s. No one here cares about ages, we're all boys with their toys! :lol:

;)
thanks Redav, checked out your site and I must say well done. The
timeline is a great idea and Ihave made the decision to follow in your footsteps acreate a site for my project also.
Iam going to hoist the car on the weekend and take some pics of the exhaust system. There is restriction but I do not no where at this stage.
Gee you enjoyed a reasonable gain with your mods.
thanks for the info and take care my friend.

Killbilly: Don't worry mate.. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just that yours is wrong.. ;)

LoL! I hope you're just kidding around :p

the exhaust restriction is, according to MMAL quoted in magazines, due to the pipe going over the rear axle... which makes sense as it would create a sharper bend reducing gas flow rate... bummer... :?

good news is you can still wack any other muffler (pisstt, LR2779 is an excellent choice! ;) ) on there and have the equivalent of the VR exhaust, and with a K&N filter (any type) you should pick up a couple of extra bonus kW throughout the revs!!! and while your at it, you could change the Cat... its holds a few more horsies as well.... :p

cheers
Al

Yeah, that's what I thought, Dingo. Thing is, the piping already goes over a rear member so I guess the piping has either been revamped there or elsewhere. If it's there, I wonder if the bolt on Lukey still fits? I guess it might if the AWD Sports uses the same muffler that the FWD VR-X uses.

Thanks, midwoodawd. Shall be interested to see those pics!

suspension wise i would say go for a whiteline works kit. I have it myself. Does wonders to the handling of your car.

Some wider rubber would further improve handling.

Engine wise, id recommend changing the piping from the cat back, plus a new set of extractors. The reason for the loss of power in the awd is because at the rear diff, there are some bends in the piping to get around it all. Be much better to change the piping so that it is as straight as possible (might cause you to lose a bit of lowering potential, but thats only going to be a problem with 5-6" drops)

A panel or pod filter and even a high flowed throttle body would also be good. not sure if RPW has a high flowed throttle body for the AWD yet.

:) Well decision time is here with the suspension mods.
Two choices, Pedders springs, shocks,camber kits and strut brace or
Kyb shocks, kings springs, whiteline strut brace and camber kit.
Price difference is about $100.00.
Am looking at a Kenwood deck with Jbl speakers including tweeters.
thanks to everyone for their imput, keep it coming

I've heard a lil about KYB Shocks and seriously its all been praise for em.. Although I'm extremely happy with my friends Daewoo Matiz dropped on Low Pedders Springs and Low Pedders Shockies.. Rides really nicely, sticks to the ground quite nicely.. then again.. I'm not sure if you can go fast enough for it to actually test the suspension (993cc or something). Ride is still smooth as ever!

But I guess go the KYB's with the King Springs, Whiteline Strut Brace and all that.. Then you can tell us all how good they are.. then Killbilly will come and spoil the party.. Telling us how much he loves Pedder's :P j/k
Laters

SuFz :evil:

:D
hahaha thats funny KJ GTV. I think killbilly has a wealth of knowledge
hidden away .
Gee he must have a story to tell abot Pedders products. I hope to find
out soon.
I dunno but Perth has some tossers floating around when it comes to
putting together something different.
Rpw are great and Pedders Midland, well he is genius. I will find out soon
enough. Still have not decided though, the Kybs I remember from my m/c days. They were the only way to go then. I'm talking 70's now.
No reason why I can't go Kyb for shocks and Pedders for the rest.
Thanks KJ GTV for the post.
Will talk further soon.

Ah the Pedders story...well my mates dad owns and runs Hi-Tech Brake and Clutch in Drummond St South Windsor, NSW (that's proof that I'm not lying lol..he's name is David Howe) anyway, he's constantly fixing cars that have been fitted with pedders suspension, at one time he had to fix a car because they were fitted with the wrong springs and instead of being swapped, they were chopped!

Anyway, I'll admit that there are plenty of happy people out there with Pedders stuff, and I'm not saying that everything Pedders is bad, it's just that I've seen a lot more bad than good and I'm always wanting to make sure people look around before jumping straight into Pedders. Mainly because Pedders aren't made in australia and don't follow the same quality control (tho yes of course they adhere to the ADR's) but brands like AC Delco and Aurora are australian, around the same price and better quality. They're just unknown, that's all.

It's just in my experience. But if you've had a good experience with them, then farbeit from me to tell you to do otherwise :D

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Fair enough Killbilly I have taken that on board. Did not think for a moment some of Pedders products were made overseas.
I appeciate the advice mate thankyou.

whoa hold on
u might have problems lowering the awd because of the different rear suspension setup, i have to be careful what i say but if u lower it im pretty sure the car will be too low according to the law ie insuffiecient cleareance
u can't go bigga rims like 17s tho not sure about wider
my dad's new company car is a awd and i reckon it sits lower than the executive and i think that it has some of the same suspension components as the fwd sports.
my 2cents worth, its awd drive ur not gonna have much problems with traction like u will in a fwd same with handling to a degree. spend ur money on engine mods first and possibly talk to mitsubishi about whether or not lowering the awd is possible

Lowering a car is partially about cosmetics and partially about improving handling by lowering the centre of gravity of the car so it will roll less around corners. Stiffer springs also help to reduce body roll by being harder to compress and they will provide more feedback about road surfaces giving a better driving feel.

Point is, its not really about traction so the AWD's obvious benefits here don't really come into it.

I believe with most spring brands you can get stiffer springs at the standard height - you don't have to lower the car as such.

Also, even if the AWD sits a bit lower than the FWD (not surprising since it is a bit heavier) you're still not going to run into legal problems by lowering since even super lows are still legal in most cases and I doubt the AWD sits that low to start with.

But a fair point anyway.. best bet is to check with a cluey suspension place before you do any work.. make sure it won't be a drama.

some information i have heard about the awd is that clearance was a problem and therefore no doubt lowering would be a problem
i would check it out with mitsubishi first

Have you driven another 3rd gen Magna before? If so, I'd be interested to see if you have an opinion of the difference between braking ability as the AWD cars have the brakes the Ralliart Magna has.

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Thanks curry,I have checked with the state service guru. Incidently this fella managed the mitsi team to their class wins at Bathurst a few years ago and is currently working with police evaluating the awd as a pursuit vehicle. In WA most of the highway patrol cars are 6cyl.
As the story goes the awd was quicker at Waneroo raceway in the dry, because of better entry and exit speed out of the corners. Not a lot he reckoned, but when it came to a wet track try 7 seconds difference over the 2wd drive cars.
Anyway back to the issue at hand. 40 mm drop is not a problem, larger diameter wheels are but I have been armed with an offset that will do the job, now to find the wheels.
I am aware of all wheel drive. Try 15 subarus in the last 12 years betwwen my wife and I. The purpose of lowering the car a smidge and fitting stiffer shocks is to give a flatter cornering attitude and a little less body roll.
Mods to the engine are coming, but will be mild. refer my first post on this topic.
Curry, thank you for the concern though, this forum is brilliant.

8)
The magna awd comes with the ralliart brake setup.
They were on the tj also.
Fronts are 294mm ventilated discs with 2 pot calipers and the rears
are 284 mm ventilated discs.
I have heard the calipers are garbage, but at this stage I am running
in the car. My thoughts are they have really good pedal feel, seem powerful and the cars stops straight and true.
I will keep you posted on their performance.

milwood, great investigation work there!!

thats what i thought with the offset of the wheels... found it hard to work out why a set of 17's would be different to a set of 16's.... but now its a width issue and thats cool....

as for the pursuit cars in WA??!?! you only have to outrun falcodore 6 cylinders???? damn you get it easy! and hell, the police should have a good look at what they're up against!!

We have chipped GenIII's and XR6T's to play with!! they also had WRX's for a while but the speedos weren't accurate enough and all hell broke loose, and a heap of people got there money and licences back!!!

We here in Western Australia also have to outrun Camry's and Pulsars :lol:

I have heard the calipers are garbage...

But still better than the previous ones hey?

well i driven TJ executive, TJ ralliart and my TS as well as many other mitsubishi vehicles
ill drive the awd soon
but i reckon my TS has the best brakes well in the feel in the pedal

as for my concern about the lowering the awd i heard clearance was real big problem from my old man u works at mitsu
but sounds like u found someone who knows what there talking about

keep us posted on ur mods
*cough twin turbo cough* :D

We here in Western Australia also have to outrun Camry's and Pulsars :lol:

oh no.... whatever are you going to do?!! ROFL

[quote:ddb0c10da4="narkus2"]We here in Western Australia also have to outrun Camry's and Pulsars :lol:

oh no.... whatever are you going to do?!! ROFL[/quote:ddb0c10da4]

Yeah but have you ever came accross a camry and a pulsar with a 3 inch tip and stickers???

now there scary!

[quote:f35d5c758b="TheDifference"][quote:f35d5c758b="narkus2"]We here in Western Australia also have to outrun Camry's and Pulsars :lol:

oh no.... whatever are you going to do?!! ROFL[/quote:f35d5c758b]

Yeah but have you ever came accross a camry and a pulsar with a 3 inch tip and stickers???

now there scary![/quote:f35d5c758b]

!!! yesterday i saw a purple festiva in the city with a huge cannon with dual 3" tips and a huge aluminium roof fin , plus a million stickers!!!

it looks so shit, ricer convention .

anyone heard any updates of how midwoodawd did with his awd mods?
(lowering/rims/warrantee issues?)

WSDsmurf

anyone heard any updates of how midwoodawd did with his awd mods?
(lowering/rims/warrantee issues?)

WSDsmurf
I went to Bob Jane on Sturday and asked if we could put an 18x8 against my car he said yeah, when I said can we bolt it up he said yes we can put it up against your car. Me thinks he wasn't coming to the party. I reckon that would quickly allow me to see if there was any problem with an 18x8 on a AWD. Still waiting for more positive confrmation (read: I want to see it myself). Talked to the dealer at Mitsu here in TWBA and he said that he bought an AWD when they first came out and put 18x8 on it and no problems but he is from WA (ex MOGWA) so you can't believe anything they tell us Easties.lol They want us to learn from our own mistakes!

DUDE !
it would be fantastic if someone could finally provide some real proof of if 17x7's or larger can fit in AWD or not.
make sure u keep us posted (sic) :)

any more mod's yet allpaw?
my plans to totally revamp my whole shnizzle have kinda dropped by the wayside...
coz it turns out i actually like my sports AWD after all!
it got nice enuf dials... and the climate... and excellent exhaust (i dont know if thats standard or from previous owner... vic police)... and fogs... and the setup isnt as bad as i feared.... actually rides pretty well (sports already has rear sway bar i think maybe).

maybe just shox/springs/strut braces then....
also need to pull apart doors to find outwhy no sound in any of the front speakers (only 2 rear shelf speeks working)...
AND ditch mmal stereo .... was planning for mp3 cd player... but now thinking of just going straight to in car pc (boot?) with lcd touch screen (or trackball and lcd) (gives me radio/mp3/dvd/divx/maps/pron/... and can add pda and gps later)....woot!

(and neons and sunroof :P)

WSDmodboy

Yeah, that's what I thought, Dingo. Thing is, the piping already goes over a rear member so I guess the piping has either been revamped there or elsewhere. If it's there, I wonder if the bolt on Lukey still fits? I guess it might if the AWD Sports uses the same muffler that the FWD VR-X uses.

Thanks, midwoodawd. Shall be interested to see those pics!


Midwoodawd,

I have a AWD and I'm having a rear box fitted next week it's a Lukey Muffler AL4-5597 and it's the same dimensions as standard and it also goes on the VRX and ralli-art

Guys,

I've had it confirmed by Mitsi tech's that 17" wont fit due to the size of the rear steering knuckle. There's not enough clearance between the rim and the knuckle. I went to my local tired bloke also and he put a 17" rim which fits FWD's and it did hit the knuckle. He did say how ever if I could get a 17" or Even 18" rim with the same of set as the factory 16" that are on it they will fit without any issues. Having said that he then told me he received a letter from mitsi's telling them no to fit 17" and if they did it would void all warrantee.
I'm trying to get that letter and post a copy of it.
Keg.

Cool keggy,

the standards (even on the sports) are 6" wide.
and of course most 17" rims or larger are all 7.0"+ wide....

and i've had bugger all luck finding 17"x6" rims....
(only success was the usa Mitsubishi Eclipse which comes with 17"x6.5" rims ... still wider than 6.0").

bring on the letter (anyone got any pics of the conflicting parts too ?)

would love wider rims.... as i can still understeer too easy :P

WSDslide.

no word drom midwoodawd ina while, he came on pretty eagerly last year, and now has disapearred. i was very easger for himt o come on a crusie to. i might try and email him. hhmm does he have one?

Trav

:roll:
thankyou for the posts. I will keep the warranty advice in mind.
the car is a base awd with sunroof.
larger diameter rims won't fit as they foul the suspension knuckles.
yep springs and shocks are now on the list. I wonder what 40mm lower would look like??? Gee thats nearly 2 inches, I have taken on board the sports cat and performance muffler. Konis seen like the go and are adjustable, but what springs?? At the end of the day these will give me ride height.
There are wider 16'' rims out there, possibly too much choice.
K&N pod is a good move and I still thing a computer will give increases not normally possible.
I will now throw it over to you guys. Thanks once again.

Im probably a bit too late here but anyway. I have Pedders Sports Rider shocks and springs and a front strut brace, also it`s lowered 20mm rear 40mm front, it looks awsome but not bottomed out like most WRX`s. Koni is a total waste of money unless you like hitting the track as adjustables fowl after a while if your not changing the setup every so often.

Cheers Man.

Isn't the new AWD VRX fitted with 16" X 7" wheels???? :doubt: this is all confusing

Isn't the new AWD VRX fitted with 16" X 7" wheels???? :doubt: this is all confusing
yeah the new one is, the old ones had different knuckle things, they had to re-engineer them hence the reason its taken so long for a AWD VRX to come out!!! from what i understand you can stick wider wheels on the new ones thanks to the new knuckle!

yeah the new one is, the old ones had different knuckle things, they had to re-engineer them hence the reason its taken so long for a AWD VRX to come out!!! from what i understand you can stick wider wheels on the new ones thanks to the new knuckle!

so you can physically fit 17"x7" or even bigger wheels now with the modifications?? :badgrin: , even though Mitsubishi didn't have the budget to do testing :doubt:

I think the budget allowed for it, but time was the major problem. The parent co. says at LEAST 12 months testing is required.

Midwood.

Any updates on your mods...Im particularly interested in the RIM sizes and lowering as well as any gains you have.

:badgrin:

Geezus, talk about misinformation central.

Everyone, this is my car

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/4PLAYN-SlyAWD2.JPG

It is a Oct. 2003 TL AWD VR fitted with 18"x8" rims.

There are no issues with fitting anything to these cars. Like any other car.

Oh and it runs Kings superlow springs.

Hmmmmmm....

Slyfox
wot kinda mags?
did u have to use any particular offsets or bolts or spacers or stuff ?

looks kikazz....

WSDwantbiggerrims

Slyfox,

I know the newer model TL AWD can take larger rims, but I know the TJ 02/2003 AWD which has the original bonnet/light shape can only take 16 inch rims due to it hitting the knuckles.
Trying to see if Midwood who has the same make has tested it out

this seems to be right a major letdown for the TJ AWD.

curious does the TL have climate control?

Hmmmmmm....

Slyfox
wot kinda mags?
did u have to use any particular offsets or bolts or spacers or stuff ?

looks kikazz....

WSDwantbiggerrims

They are XHP sabres. I got it at the mag wheel centre http://www.mwtc.com.au/index.shtml here in Adelaide. They just bolted straight up. No problems at all. They have a large selection.


Slyfox,

I know the newer model TL AWD can take larger rims, but I know the TJ 02/2003 AWD which has the original bonnet/light shape can only take 16 inch rims due to it hitting the knuckles.
Trying to see if Midwood who has the same make has tested it out

this seems to be right a major letdown for the TJ AWD.

curious does the TL have climate control?

All TLs come standard with climate control, 4 wdo elec windows,. etc., etc. Infact the only option on the option lists for TLs is a sunroof. Everything else is standard fitment. Tell ya what, I will ring them and find out what 18' can be fitted to TJs and post it here for you.

^^ that would be good...but make sure they know exactly the problem with the TJ AWD is...that it hits the knuckles...so I dont think it is possible...otherwise Mitsubishi would'nt off printed this problem.