There has certainly been some good points brought up on why the 380 may succeed or fail in the market. Apparently MMAL needs to sell 30000 380's to keep the factory open.....which way is it going to go????

if you meant to write thirty thousand then they have no worries

private markets & government sales will pull that up piece of piss

no wukkas, no stress...

I think its alittle dark apon us to start a thread like this.

We should be supporting MMAL all the way with this car with POSITIVE feedback!

I think the 380 is an awsome car - I took one for a test drive yesterday at Skippers in Perth.

I So much want one!

any better to drive than your TL ash?

give us a rundown of pro's n cons if you could :D

I have no doubt Mitsu has a winner on their hands with the 380 and that the plant will remain open but..... What's next? The 380series2 ( given it get a power upgrade should still sell very well ) and then a new ralliart???

If I was them i'd get the back patting out of the way now and be thinking about the next hurdle, 12months flys when your winning.

Good luck Mitsubishi Australia !!!!

I have no doubt Mitsu has a winner on their hands with the 380 and that the plant will remain open but..... What's next? The 380series2 ( given it get a power upgrade should still sell very well ) and then a new ralliart???

If I was them i'd get the back patting out of the way now and be thinking about the next hurdle, 12months flys when your winning.

Good luck Mitsubishi Australia !!!!

how can you have no doubt? it may be a good car, but its far too little too late. a big heavy, powerful fwd car isn't that alluring for most. plus the fact they have said there will be no discounts and not many will buy it at RRP. the engine is nothing great for its size. the boot is too small. for the price of the base 380 i'd much rather have a accord euro, or a mazda6.

They will be open for at least till 2007 even if sales targets are not acheived. But I have a feellign things will pick up for mitsubishi as some more models are released/updated :P

how can you have no doubt? it may be a good car, but its far too little too late. a big heavy, powerful fwd car isn't that alluring for most. plus the fact they have said there will be no discounts and not many will buy it at RRP. the engine is nothing great for its size. the boot is too small. for the price of the base 380 i'd much rather have a accord euro, or a mazda6.

Id rather buy local so most of the dollars stay here, especially when using taxpayer dollars. :bowrofl: lol you have evidence backing your claims?

I think its alittle dark apon us to start a thread like this.

We should be supporting MMAL all the way with this car with POSITIVE feedback!

I think the 380 is an awsome car - I took one for a test drive yesterday at Skippers in Perth.

I So much want one!

Quite right. We should be talking up the 380. If people who like Mitsubishi's enough to join
a club can't be positive about the car then what hope is there. You can be sure Holden, Ford and Toyota will pull out all stops to kill the 380 as quick as they can.

I reckon the 380 will be to Mitsubishi as the iPod was to Apple.

Just thought the topic is an interesting discussion point myself. I do actually think that the 380 is an excellent car, i was just a bit surprised to see some of the initial pricing people have got, im not sure wether it puts it in the best competitive position...will it make your average commo/camry/falcom owner turn their head....and lets face it, to reach the thirty thousand they are going to have to eat into someone elses market share

well the best any Magna has done as far as I know was 44,000 pa with the TH in 1999. But that's not to say Mitsu can't pull some serious surprises in the market - remember that the early Sigmas were at one stage the best selling car on the market - and that was during a period of fuel price sensitivity as well as I recall.

With the 380 being just a bit smaller and a bit more economical than the Falcadores, things could very much swing in its favour from a market perception point of view - meaining it could be seen as the big car to have in an era of high fuel prices - nevermind the innate quality of the car itself.

They will be open for at least till 2007 even if sales targets are not acheived. But I have a feellign things will pick up for mitsubishi as some more models are released/updated :P


This needs to be emphasised. MMAL would lose more money by shutting up shop so soon after the money has been invested. 380 will fill it's lifespan. It's whether anything is after 380... that is the question.

I reckon the 380 will be to Mitsubishi as the iPod was to Apple.
nah.. the 380 is actually a good product! ;)

nah.. the 380 is actually a good product! ;)

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: I said the same thing just today about ipod against a different product.

The COTY awards will be very important for Mitsubishi Australia......if Aussie motoring journo's were not so one eyed about Fords and Commodores then Mitsi have a great chance with the 380...

After just watching the news and what Phillips had to say about the 380 I can't see it lasting... Seems to me that they have soon become negative about the car even though they just released it, maybe dealer feedback is negative??

It has alot against it with Ford and Holden at the moment, Fords new BF Falcon is a screamer with the new Six Speed German auto along with 190kw's standard.

I really thought Mitsubishi could have done better with the model lineup, the sports models just aren't agreesive enough, and the base model looks terrible.. :cry:

I don't want to see the 380 (and MMAL) condemned before I have even seen one on the damn road. :rant:

I think this thread is too negative in its tone. I will give it a little more life to be fair and will be closing it soon.

I don't want to see the 380 (and MMAL) condemned before I have even seen one on the damn road. :rant:

I think this thread is too negative in its tone. I will give it a little more life to be fair and will be closing it soon.

Think this thread has out lived expectancy already. Sure it might be a bummer that they all have the same power engines but they aren't made to be race cars. There are more elderly and family people in australia than young rev heads so to me it makes sence to cater to the majority rather than the minority.

And remember mitsubishi has it's ass on the line with this car so I don't think they made this decision over night, there is a reason for their choice so I guess we just have to wait a little while longer before making our minds up all together.

Thats right.

You look at the amount of people who buy Camrys and Nissan Maxima's.

The 380 has got some life in it, but the fact of whether or not theres enough people in its target market to fulfill expected sales is another question.

The VRX should have been 200 kw, and have an agressive body kit like the old Rallyarts, then it would have done quite well.

The VRX should have been 200 kw, and have an agressive body kit like the old Rallyarts, then it would have done quite well.
"Would have done quite well"? are you talking about the current model in past tense? if so, lets at least give it a chance to get out on the road before we judge its popularity, if you mean something else, never mind lol

Thats right.

You look at the amount of people who buy Camrys and Nissan Maxima's.

The 380 has got some life in it, but the fact of whether or not theres enough people in its target market to fulfill expected sales is another question.

The VRX should have been 200 kw, and have an agressive body kit like the old Rallyarts, then it would have done quite well.

THe car's barely been on sale and your talking past tense already lol 200kw for a FWD car would hurt the cars dynamics. What Mitsubishi went with was a good overall package, there's more to a car than straight line grunt. Also a Falcon weighs more than a 380, so it'll need the extra herbs. Its a larger donk too. The beauty of the 380 engine is that its current spec is well within its limits. Give it time and should the 380 succeed which i think it will, you will soon see uprated engine specs and AWD models being shelved out.

Falcon's got the great new 6 speeder and thats nice, but when it comes to build quality, i.e. structural rigidity, panel gaps and choice of materials and finishes, falcadores have nothing over the 380!!! Now thats not me saying it what the Journo's have said, read any report on build quality on a falcon, and then read wheels magazine's report on the 380... :gtfo:

THe car's barely been on sale and your talking past tense already lol 200kw for a FWD car would hurt the cars dynamics. What Mitsubishi went with was a good overall package, there's more to a car than straight line grunt. Also a Falcon weighs more than a 380, so it'll need the extra herbs. Its a larger donk too. The beauty of the 380 engine is that its current spec is well within its limits. Give it time and should the 380 succeed which i think it will, you will soon see uprated engine specs and AWD models being shelved out.

Falcon's got the great new 6 speeder and thats nice, but when it comes to build quality, i.e. structural rigidity, panel gaps and choice of materials and finishes, falcadores have nothing over the 380!!! Now thats not me saying it what the Journo's have said, read any report on build quality on a falcon, and then read wheels magazine's report on the 380... :gtfo:

Funny how the BA Falcon won wheels car of the year twice, must not be too bad.

Very rarely do you read any poor publicity in either Wheels or Motor regards to the BA. Thats fine if Mitsubishi has great build quality and a 5/10 year warranty, but at the end of the day it did nothing for the last model. If Mitsubishi want to sell these things they have gotta make people want them, not just for their great build quality.

Funny how the BA Falcon won wheels car of the year twice, must not be too bad.

Very rarely do you read any poor publicity in either Wheels or Motor regards to the BA. Thats fine if Mitsubishi has great build quality and a 5/10 year warranty, but at the end of the day it did nothing for the last model. If Mitsubishi want to sell these things they have gotta make people want them, not just for their great build quality.

BA Falcon won it twice???? when???? I thought it won wheels car of the year in 2003.

I never said it was a bad car did i??? You just assumed it!!!! Also as far as outselling a falcon or commodore, that will never be achieved. Falcon and Commodores with their combination of being large and RWD will find many more homes than magna's\380's will ever dream of. The reason the magna ended up becoming a poor seller was because it was 9 years old and in its last iteration a bit on the "unorthodox" side of things. It was good enough to be wheels car of the year when it was launched in 1996, but due to Mitsu Japan's problems, a new model had to be shelved, otherwise you would have seen a replacement back in 2001 hence why sales trailed off.

I never said the falcon was a bad car, u just assumed it. I like falcon's,, in fact i posted a thread in the General section with the new 2006 FPV series, what i tried to state was the level of build quality in them is no match for the 380.

I'll buy two VRX one for me one for missus.

Grandpa image gone forever

As stated before this thread is a bit out of place for its time... let's give the 380 a chance to stretch its legs a bit before we make any assumptions.

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