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s_tim_ulate
17-10-2005, 04:14 PM
Sound investments

Rod Easdown

Wednesday April 7 2004

You'd expect a good-quality audio system in an expensive car, right? Rod Easdown discovers that's not necessarily the case.



You'd expect a good-quality audio system in an expensive car, right? Rod Easdown discovers that's not necessarily the case.
There are still plenty of people around who believe it's impossible to achieve good audio quality in a car. Unfortunately, some of them seem to work for car companies. There are some very, very good audio systems in current models, but there are also some shockers.

Take, for example, Holden's Caprice. When you're paying $73,690 for a car, you rightfully expect good audio and the Caprice's system looks the part. But don't turn the volume up. All the equaliser pre-sets (jazz, rock, pop, classical and so on) dial in way too much bass. Even with all the settings at 'off' there's too much bottom end. Nor can the system handle it; there is so much distortion that all you can do is turn it down again.

It's much the same in the Monaro, and the Commodore is also crook.advertisement

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The Caprice gets away with it because most buyers can't see past the DVD screens in the rear, providing an instant child-minding service. They're practical and they're sexy. Installation of rear-seat DVD systems has become one of the most common jobs at specialist in-car entertainment outlets and most of the major aftermarket brands offer them, including Alpine, Pioneer and JVC.

Ford's $72,070 LTD may not have DVD, but it has an absolute belter of an audio system, one of the best in a locally made car. Alfa Romeos, although now improving, have had some truly appalling audio systems in the past and Smarts (those tiny two-seaters built by Mercedes) aren't very smart at all.

Fifteen years ago, good car audio was something you only ever heard at car audio competitions (yes, they are serious business). The problem has always been speaker placement: no matter where you sit in a car you're far closer to some speakers than to others and twiddling with a balance control only partially addresses the problem.

Then computer chips became fast enough and cheap enough to enable electronic time alignment. This allows a control called the listening position selector, where you can set the sound up for the driver alone, the front-seat passenger, the rear seat or the entire car.

Along with far more powerful amplification, good speakers and equalisers, listening position selectors suddenly made quality sound not just achievable, but affordable.

Some car-makers have cottoned on. They either buy in premium audio systems from specialist manufacturers such as Bose and JBL or get audio specialists involved in the development of the car.

But in almost all cases the sound guys are presented with a near-complete car and asked to work the audio around the window winders, the vents and all the plumbing behind the dash.

That's what makes the system in the Lexus RX330 such a stand-out. Lexus involved specialists from the American premium audio brand, Mark Levinson, from blueprint stage. Japan-based Levinson executives Don Maidens and Trevor Neumann said they couldn't quite believe the co-operation they were given.

When they gingerly asked if a visor mount could be relocated to accommodate a speaker, the mount was relocated. When they asked for a hole in the centre of the dash for a centre channel speaker, a hole appeared.

Even when they said they could get extra fidelity if the doors had more soundproofing, adding more weight, they got it. The upshot is a system that many owners will find far better than their audio gear at home. And there's some remarkable technology here.

Central to the design are the three speakers across the top of the dash at left, right and centre. They lift the soundstage -- that is, the perception of where the sound is coming from -- high. Together with tweeters in the A-pillars, they make the signal not just high, but beautifully airy.

This design goes hand-in-hand with clever software that blurs the separation between channels, evening out the signal across the soundstage. Audiophiles will raise their eyebrows at this until they listen to it. The signal is wonderfully wide and spacious, yet there is no compromise to definition.

Car audio engineers and installers like to complain about how tough car cabins are as an audio environment and how speakers cannot be mounted to point at their listeners, like they can be at home, but Mark Levinson president Phil Muzio is unlike most car audio people. He alone talks about the two huge advantages in designing audio systems for cars.

"Firstly, I know where everyone is sitting and, secondly, I know the size of the room," he said.

This means all the software can be set up to match those two parameters. With equalisation to boost the dead spots and reduce the overly bright spots in the frequency range, as well as electronic time alignment, a very acceptable result is achievable. With the RX330, this tuning took 1200 man-hours.

Muzio says car-makers are cottoning on to the process. His fastest-growing competitor as a supplier of premium car sound systems, he says, is the systems that car manufacturers are now fitting in base models. Especially in the USA, where Saabs come with a Harman/Kardon system that is optional on all but premium models in Australia, and cooking-model Toyotas are fitted with JBL equipment.

"Now that car manufacturers understand how to get a good result, they're designing systems in from the ground up, and they sound really good," Muzio said. "This will make premium upgrades like ours a lot harder to justify."

We haven't come near this far in Australia. The Europeans definitely sound best.

"Audi owners have always been into audio, right from the day FM radio started. Good sound is expected," said Audi's Anna Burgdorf.

They're also prepared to pay extra for better sound. Burgdorf says take-up of the optional Bose system is healthy in the models it is offered.

Volvo has been fitting excellent audio for many years and spokesman Todd Hallenbeck said it's one of the most frequently named items when owners are asked what they like about the car.

"We spend a lot of time making the quality of our audio a point of differentiation from other cars," he said.

And yet audio systems, according to Paul Ellis at Saab, are not a deal clincher.

"I don't believe it's a motivator for purchase," he said. "People look at a lot of things with a new car, including style, performance, features and equipment, and the audio is just a part of it. It's important, but it doesn't get buyers over the line. Other technology, like Bluetooth connectivity and DVD in the rear seat, may do."

And yet, he said, if Saabs had dead-plain audio it would cost sales.

"Audio is a tangible thing, a sensory thing," he said. "When you pay a lot for a car you expect good audio. If you don't get it you can fall out of love with the car."

Pioneer's product manager for car electronics, John Graham, agrees. "You don't necessarily buy meat from a butcher with a clean shop, but you sure don't buy from one with a dirty shop," he said. "If the audio is good, buyers go on to the next feature. If it's terrible, they're frequently out of there."

In the main, he said, original equipment audio is getting better, but it's still lowest common denominator stuff.

"It's a system chosen to please most of the people most of the time, nothing more," Graham said.

s_tim_ulate
17-10-2005, 04:15 PM
"Most attention is paid to getting the look right and the ergonomics right, least attention is paid to the speakers, which are hidden away behind grilles to protect them from damage. Replacing the speakers is the easiest and most effective upgrade car owners can make."

Twenty years after the invention of the CD, players are only now almost universal in new cars. It took this long because car companies were making so much money by selling them as options, sometimes charging up to three times the aftermarket retail price.

They've moved far faster on MP3 compatibility -- which is finding its way into some affordable models from the likes of Hyundai and Suzuki, keeping the younger buyers happy -- which doesn't add to cost and would be unlikely to sell as an option anyway.

But again the aftermarket is showing the way. A number of aftermarket systems now accept memory cards that can be swapped between the computer, the portable and the car. USB connectivity, to make them compatible with players such as the Apple iPod, is on the horizon.

There are also units carrying their own hard drives, which can store up to 200 CDs. This could make every CD in your collection available in the car, all in a unit that occupies a standard dash aperture. Several makers, including Pioneer and Alpine, make systems with touch-screen controls.

But if you want to fit aftermarket audio watch one thing: it physically has to fit somewhere in the dash. In the latest Falcon, for example, Ford has fitted a hybrid deck that does not occupy a standard dash aperture, meaning it can't be taken out and replaced.


The good
It's relatively easy to achieve good audio when designing a car. Mitsubishi Magnas sound good largely because the doors are wide and someone bothered to angle the speakers towards the passengers. The $19,990 Citroen C3 sounds good because the manufacturer fits the same speakers used in more expensive models.

Good factory audio, however, mostly lies at the top of the market and BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Saab and Volvo are the standouts.

Lexicon's remarkable Logic7 7.1-channel surround system was first seen here as an option in the BMW 7 Series and later in the Rolls-Royce Phantom, where it's standard equipment and utterly breathtaking.

There are two 20cm subwoofers built into the floorpan providing a delicious low end, six 2.5cm tweeters and seven 10cm mid/basses, including a centre channel. The sound is crisp, beautifully defined and goes very, very loud without distortion. In a car this quiet, it's like driving around in a big set of headphones. But then the Rolls costs $985,000.

The best system to my ear is the Mark Levinson in the most expensive version of the Lexus RX330 ($79,900). The sound is crystal clear, beautifully defined and gorgeously even across the entire audible range and sounds as if the singer is out beyond the bonnet.


The not so good
The worst audio I've heard in a current model is in a vehicle that costs $45,950. In the Land Rover Defender 90, the speakers are pointed directly down into the foot wells and the sound rises in a fuzzy, amorphous lump along with road noise, engine noise and transmission noise. It's like listening to AM on a pocket radio in a metal processing factory.

Second worst? That would be the $79,990 Lotus Elise. Other disappointments come from Mercedes-owned Smart, whose cheap-looking systems deliver the acoustic qualities of a crook clock radio.


When less is more
It's ironic that, as car-makers add more and more speakers to impress their buyers, the leading aftermarket installers and car audio competition contestants are bending over backwards to design and build systems with fewer speakers.

More speakers dotted around the cabin can lead to a number of problems, not least of which is that much of the sound you hear is located behind you. When was the last time you went to a concert and turned your back to the stage? Frequency steering, where some notes sound like they're coming from a different location to others, is another problem with multi-speaker systems.

Some award-winning systems in competitions now consist of nothing but mid/bass speakers in the kick panels, tweeters on the dash and a subwoofer in the boot (low notes don't give directional cues). But these systems only appear simple -- often they're the result of thousands of hours of testing and tuning to get the mix and locations exactly right.

"Four good speakers will always sound better than 14 crook ones," observed Pioneer's John Graham.


Ian "Molly" Meldrum
-- Music commentator
"I listen to music whenever I'm in the car. Even when I get into a taxi I'll get them to tune into Nova or Fox, whatever. Music is a soothing sort of thing, where you can shut yourself away -- but you also have to concentrate on your driving.

"I need a really good system happening. If you have a crappy sound system then that's not doing justice to the actual music you're hearing. In my case, I have to spend the big dollars and have that perfect sound. Not the booomp, booomp, booomp stuff, either.

"I bought a MG-A 1960 classic. It was a bit of an operation for them to put a stereo into the MG-A that didn't take away from the classic look of the car."


Jenny Morris
-- Musician
"I spend a lot of time in cars and it's probably where I listen to most of the music. At the moment, I'm listening to the Darkness, Stevie Wonder's Inner Visions, Room Service, a compilation of various cool artists from the '50s and '60s like Dean Martin, Andy Williams, Jose Feliciano. I listen to my own newly recorded songs first on the car stereo, too, so that's pretty important.

"I listen to music all the time on the CD player except when I listen to news radio. On long distances music is very important -- although I once had an accident concentrating on singing along to a song, so you've got to be careful.

"I drive a Subaru Outback H6 3.0 and I love it!"

Richard Clapton
-- Musician
"Because driving nowadays is so scary and stressful, music is crucial to one's sanity and it's very important to listen to music that makes you feel good. The End of the Innocence by Don Henley is my fave driving song. I am a bit schizoid with travelling music; sometimes I am into serious, contemplative music like Dylan's Blood on the Tracks, other times I find mindless pop stuff appealing.

"Good-quality sound is important to me but I don't know if it would influence the choice of car. While I don't drive our Honda Accord - my wife does - we always have music playing on the CD player."

Classic driving songs*
Southbound - Allman Brothers
Call Me the Breeze - JJ Cale
Hard Work, Drivin' Man - The Beasts of Bourbon
Willin' - Little Feat
Motorcycle Mama - Neil Young
I Held the Cool Breeze - Dave Graney and the Coral Snakes
Free Bird - Lynyrd Skynyrd
Ezy Rider - Jimi Hendrix
Drivin' South - Jimi Hendrix
Born to be Wild - Steppenwolf
Driving Wheel - Al Green
This is Not the way Home - The Cruel Sea
Speed King - Deep Purple
Mongoose - Fu Manchu
Gin & Juice - Snoop Dogg

Stumbled upon this looking for other non magna related info :)

Peace

Tim

megatron
17-10-2005, 05:47 PM
nice read

nsitu
21-10-2005, 09:35 PM
I find it hard to define good sound, not because different people have different tastes but I don't even know what i want my car audio to sound like.

I don't know about you guys but every few months i have to play with the equalizer just to make my system sound that little bit different and new because otherwise i find the same things just bore the me.

But in tune with the topic, i think it'll be hard for car manufactorers to set up a specific type of system for their buyers because we listen to such different things. Even if it was set up for just one person, their music tastes would change after some time anyways. But i do agree with putting some decent speakers and wattage behind them so.

tfv630
22-10-2005, 09:16 AM
I cant see a problem with a good system being able to play various styles its easy enough to do. Home audio can do it so why cant car audio. there the same basic principal

nsitu
22-10-2005, 09:34 AM
They can play it, just not as well as a specially thought out system for that type of music.

Maybe it'll be good to have many audio options, like 'rock' setup, 'electronic' setup, etc...

But watch the price of the car go through the roof in development fees.

s_tim_ulate
22-10-2005, 12:41 PM
A good system can play any music. All you need is a good flat response and enough volume to overcome background noise.

I listen to classical, ambient, techno, trance, rock, rnb, hip hop, dnb. And have no problems with any of these.

If you're on a budget though, it is best to cater for what you like. Especially when you are limited on what fronts you can buy. For instance Hertz vs Dynaudio.

Peace

Tim

magnat
22-10-2005, 01:11 PM
More like Pioneer VS Dynaudio...
I hardly know anyone who can afford High end Fronts ( Except for the Few on here)

You have to admit though, Car makers are getting more hip to the fact that Car buyers do care about what CD player comes with their car..
The Best Stock one I have ever Heard was in a Lexus LS400...one of the only Stock stereo's capable of 130db SPL..

s_tim_ulate
22-10-2005, 02:46 PM
The Best Stock one I have ever Heard was in a Lexus LS400...one of the only Stock stereo's capable of 130db SPL..
Got a link that says 130db SPL?

I imagine you're talking about the Mark Levinson system.
130 db's sounds a bit far fetched though. Isnt it only a 250 watt system? I imagine maybe 100 w would be going to the sub.

nsitu
22-10-2005, 04:09 PM
But anyways to save money in the long run i'd much rather them not spend too much r&d on audio hardware for normal cars - which sometimes get thrown out and replaced anyways, and i'll go spend money outside my car purchase then be forced to pay for it when i buy a new car.

I feel sorry for the people using finance to buy cars, every extra dollar the car costs gets inflated by interest day by day.

magnat
22-10-2005, 04:10 PM
Sorry Tim , It was in an Old Car Audio Australia Magazine.. I believe Nakamitchi Gear was used in the one they Quoted as being the Loudest Stock Stereo... it was the first or 2nd Series LS400 when Lexus first came out..

I am trying to find it to see if I still have it to scan for you..
But I did find this which you may be interested in..
http://www.marklevinsonlexus.com/

edit : cannot find it.. It could have been Hot 4's but I threw all of them out..