Hi Guys,

I brought my 92 TR Mgana a few weeks ago and have just ordered a pod filter with adaptor plate.

Can you guys give me advice on what I will need to do once I have installed the pod filter etc.

Cheers
Alex.
:)

intake resonator mod. seach for it. heaps on it. and search for pods even more on it.

Definately will need some sort of heat shield from the engine (for performance and legal reasons).
Hook that up to a CAI and you should have a fairly nice setup :).

Hook that up to a CAI

What's the CAI ?

Cold Air Intake.
I actually think Tr-Envy has done one, im sure he'd be more then happy to show you how he did it.

Ok done a search on the CAI mod just a pipe running from under the car to the air box on the left side of the car battery but I can think of a better place to scoop fresh air from I think.

Now this intake resonator I am assuming that you remove the two chambers after the air flow sensor and plug the holes up with either a rubber or plastic cover that will clamp over the holes ?

From the little I know on the subject of pods, for CAI, you'll need to make yourself a new box to put the pod in, and feed colder air into it.
The thing with pods is that, if they are fitted in a standard manner, they sit inside the engine bay, breathing in the hot air generated by the engine. Not exactly ideal, and probably negates the purpose of getting a pod in the first place. Not much good getting more air if the air is hot!

I finally got my pod today and this afternoon I started taking the air cleaner apart and cleaning the panel were the air box use to be. I can see what I have to do later and get my brother to make a heat sheild that will also be a support for the pod. I also found out I need bolts for the pod filter adaptor you would think it was included in the kit but nope.

I have removed the two air chambers after the air sensor and plugged them with milk bottle caps for now and I'm assuming this is right from what I read on the subject Intake Resonator mod.

While I'm doing this I am taking proper pictures for any other newbie wanting to do the same.

That's all for now. :D

i used Mckormics Spice lids......they are mm perfect for the job, just have to replace my K&N with a stocky to see if it sounds better lol

make sure you post up piccys of when your done

Will definitly post good close pics as that's what o noticed is that hardly anyone taking good pics of the mods ?

Ok I have hit a snag I got the adaptor bolted on attached the Pod Filter and I found out that I could not close the the bonnet as the Pod Filter is to high where it sits so i ask how do you guys do it ? Could it be that I have a wrong size Pod Filter I don't even know what size it is as there is nothing on the box stating size ?

:confused:

are you sure you havent attached a radiator or something?? although buying adaptor and non suited (designed 4magna) non k&n pod it should still have clearance. i think you'd probably have to buy another pod, or take out the bottom of the airbox...
peace out; aj

Might sound stupid but did you remove the bottom half of your airbox? This will get in the way, you can also adjust where your MAS sits so just turn it around a little to get the most clearance.

Might sound stupid but did you remove the bottom half of your airbox? This will get in the way, you can also adjust where your MAS sits so just turn it around a little to get the most clearance.

The air box has completely been removed so it's just the MAS sitting loosely and that's what it's doing with the pod filter attached but there's not much place for it to go and no matter where i can't close the bonnet with out crushing it.


are you sure you havent attached a radiator or something??

I don't get that ?

If anything I'm starting to think the Pod Filter maybe to large for the magna engine bay so I assume you can get them smaller will have to go into my local Autobarn to find out.

I would take pics but either I have a battery porblem or the digi camera is on the fritz.

I don't get that ?

If anything I'm starting to think the Pod Filter maybe to large for the magna engine bay so I assume you can get them smaller will have to go into my local Autobarn to find out.

I would take pics but either I have a battery porblem or the digi camera is on the fritz.

i joke i joke,
show us a pic, if you need a new one as in theyll replace for free get the oval k&n pod;
cheers aj

I got the SAAS Pod Filter off Ebay brand new for $24 so can't return it now but you could be right there maybe the TR 2.6 requires the oval shape pod filters and if that's the case then I'll just buy another one and use the SAAS pod filter on my other that i do know will fit when I get an adaptor for that model.

Show us a pic of it in the engine bay, with the airbox removed there should be sh!tloads of room under there :S.

There's something wrong with my digi camera either the battery's are stuffed or the digi camera is on the fritz.

These are the Dimensions of the pod filter

Base diamter = 150mm

Top diameter = 120mm

Length = 140mm

Rubber inlet of 77mm (suits 3")

Ok dropped by AutoBarn & Bursons afterwork today and was told NO don't use the round pod filters on my TR and upwards Magna's they will damage your engine by running very rich K&N made the oval shaped pod filter's for the TR onwards magna's so now I will have to take out my SAAS round pod filter for now till I can get either the oval shaped pod filter or just the panel filter for my TR.

I'll use the SAAS on my Falcon when I can get an adaptor for that. :redface:

Ok dropped by AutoBarn & Bursons afterwork today and was told NO don't use the round pod filters on my TR and upwards Magna's they will damage your engine by running very rich K&N made the oval shaped pod filter's for the TR onwards magna's so now I will have to take out my SAAS round pod filter for now till I can get either the oval shaped pod filter or just the panel filter for my TR.

I'll use the SAAS on my Falcon when I can get an adaptor for that. :redface:
As long as the pod is just before the air sensor, it shouldn't run rich, well rich enough to damage anything.

Ok I have it confirimed from K&N them selves on the pod filter and it's a Big No to the round shaped pod filter K&N have developed the Oval shaped pod filter to work with the Oval shaped air flow meter tubing so the air flow meter can analize the air flow as it should. If you have seen these oval shaped pod filters you will also notice that they have capped the top of the pod off so no air is sucked in via the top filter only around the pod to make the air get sucked in straight and stay straight as it passes through.

The Oval pod filter is too pricey for me and the flat panel filter is a much cheaper alternative and I will be getting this later on instead.

I hope this clear's things up for anyone else wanting to use a pod filter Must Use Oval Shaped Pod Filter if you must have one.

:cool:

Hmm.. ok so what your saying is if the pod sucks air in from straight ahead that it will not enter the MAS straight? although if it gets sucked in from the sides it goes straight.. that sounds a bit like the smelly stuff to me.

There's plenty of guys with normal round pods on 2nd and 3rd gen magnas too so yeah i think its a bit of the smelly stuff, plus running rich means the car is getting less air with the fuel, but a pod will make the car suck about 3 times as much air, albiet less dense because it will be warmer but the whole point of EFI and a MAS is to measure the air and apply fuel accordingly.. better rich than lean.

Nooooo the basic round pods cause the air to swirl and the air meter can't measure this properly so it starts to adjust the engine to run richer cause I would assume it would think it's not getting enough air flow.

I've put my panel filter back on this afternoon and noticed the engine idle is much better again as when I put the pod filter on it slowly started to run a bit odd over the few days.

Ok got proof for you guys here I found on another site.

Here's the pic of the oval pod filter designed for Mitsubishi's with MAF/MAS.

http://www.rpw.com.au/Graphic%20Files/K&N/K&NMAF.jpg

A pic of it installed in a Lancer.

http://www.rpw.com.au/Photos/Mitsubshi%20MAF%20Sensor/Lancer%20with%20K&N%20Rampod.jpg

A pic of the MAF/MAS.

http://www.rpw.com.au/Photos/Mitsubshi%20MAF%20Sensor/MAF%20Sensor.jpg

An this is the information :-

Certain models of the Mitsubishi range run the Mitsubishi MAS / MAF sensor which is an the electrical metering unit that goes after the air box. This unit reads how much air passes through the unit via ultrasonic waves and is a oval shaped unit. One of the major problems we see is the fitment of universal K&N Pod Filters which then start creating problems with idle or power by running rich, stalling etc.

The reasoning behind this is the honeycombed section requires the air to be very straight and clean in order to rear correctly. A pod filter is cone shaped and instead, causes a swirling action which confuses the pod filter. Additionally many of the adapters fitted to the MAF / MAS sensor is square and cuts off some of honeycombed section in order to bolt on the round pod filter.

To combat this RPW has imported in from the USA specific K&N filter charger kits that are 100% compatible with the MAS sensor without causing problems. These are flat oval shaped filters with a proper cast adapter. To quote a common term : If K&N believed that a universal filter would do the job why did they make a specific filter for the Mitsubishi Air Mass Sensor.

These are guaranteed to not only improve the power of your car over any other filter design, they will not cause any running problems and are our recommended first modification to the vehicle, even before the exhaust.

ok ok ok, now.. I know airfilters make a big difference, on my TP my K&N ran fine in the airbox but as soon as i took the airbox off it wouldn't idle but it went great so i know these things are a bit stupid but somehow make a great difference but trying to think logically, air is not a solid, you can't make air be read from left to right and right to left unless its a wind vein.. the MAS, mass air sensor???? (HINT) is measuring the air, now, if anyone is a scientist can they tell me if the mass of air changed from the way its coming.. Now there ARE pods and other filters that are pod-like but without a front opening, this one for example.. http://www.modyourcar.com.au/images/products/kn/tn_rx-3990-1.jpg or maybe this one?? http://www.modyourcar.com.au/images//products/simota/sblitz_style_filter.jpg, i know i know its got a tiny opening, well so what..

Is anyone yet to try the HKS style foam filters? http://www.modyourcar.com.au/images//products/simota/shks_style.jpg (Simota example) they're round, like half a sphere, might give interesting results, i know a guy who has a unifilter foam filter on a first gen and it runs fine so who-ever has money coming out their ears should go on an airfilter shopping spree.

Now if you look at my pretty picture you should notice my drawing upon it http://web.aanet.com.au/naa/lancer.jpeg


Now, the oval, if the air had to not tumble, but be straight, would it go in like it should with this filter?? (through the sides, hitting the other air as it comes in, like a scum in rugby) why not make the filter like a tube, only being able to draw in air from the nose and only the nose instead of from the sides?? if anything would make turbulence it would be from the induction of air from an oval filter, hell it doesnt matter what shape, it'll still make the damn air tumble!!

bleh!

Now if you look at my pretty picture you should notice my drawing upon it

Pitty Picture not working :cry:

Yeah i know, my ftp program has decided to make babies with itself so i can't upload it, but wait?!? THERES MORE!!??


BAM!@!@!!!!!!!@$4444444444


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/679000-679999/679479_28.jpg

This is Dpack_1's car, looks great. When I get enough free cash I'm going to do almost the exact same thing but make it go down behind the bumper just like a TH_Smoker kit apart from its on a 3L, the smokers were on the 3.5's. Looks excellent though.

Thanks for the compliment, though the only reason i chose to use the stock GTO/3000gt piping is because in a stock diamante we get a CAI that ducts cold air anyways so no need to run the filter low down to where it may get damaged/over clogged/hard to get to.

Really though guys, i see the CAI/Intake/oval vs. pod debate on here a lot, i can honestly say there is no downside to the setup i have, now i understand the 6g72 DOHC engine wasnt ever an option for the 2g Magna but i'm sure you can all find something similar to what i have over here no?

EDIT:

A more accurate view of what my engine bay looks like now:

that looks way swish, did you get your manifold polished? I want to but the quote i got from a dude who did a good job and price on my CBR alternator cover priced me $700-$800, thats like $450-$550USD..

Yeah the DOHC was never an option and is like a 4K job inc engine which isn't exactly a cheap procedure for most.

that looks way swish, did you get your manifold polished? I want to but the quote i got from a dude who did a good job and price on my CBR alternator cover priced me $700-$800, thats like $450-$550USD..

Yeah the DOHC was never an option and is like a 4K job inc engine which isn't exactly a cheap procedure for most.

Hand polished by yours truely... its a long job (5 days for me, about 4-6 hours a day) but cost as much as the sand paper (about 5 bucks!)... Get some 300/800/1500/2000 grit paper and do it one step at a time... its not 100% perfect but really not as hard as you'd think. As long as you can go that long without your car then its not a hard task at all.

Do a 300 grit pass on it all, then wet sand with 800, dry with 800, wet with 1500, dry with 1500, finish in a wet 2000 and you'll have what i do there. True you could do this all in one weekend but trust me, its a LONG job, and your arms will be aching after the first 30 mins.

Still i'm a true beleive in self done modifications so that was my motivation, i didnt want to spend X amount on getting someone to do what i could do myself.

Yeah, I'm sorry for not letting the dead dog lay but I decided to go out and get some proof that the normal, everyday, $30 autobarn pod filters work fine with your magna along with the normal, everyday, $30 adapter from autobarn also. Here (http://web.aanet.com.au/naa/working pod.3gp) is the link to a video I took from my phone (6230 so its not great quailty) but it shows you the idle is fine, even with air on and the pod working. Sounds tits and goes hard. I bought the SAAS pod which I can wash and re-oil with my K&N charger kit that I bought for my first gen K&N that never even got past 500k's. Will get back with fuel econ results and if its still working fine in week. over and out.

oh and by the way, the vid is 3GP so you need quicktime to view it. (oh well!)

it shows you the idle is fine, even with air on and the pod working.

It's not the idle it's the mixture and it happens over weeks or month's as the computer adjust's to it faster depending on your driving. I noticed black wet soot on my muffler and blackish smoke after 3 & a 1/2 weeks took it to my mechanic and yep it was starting to run rich I brought a new normal panel filter and put all that stuff back in and after just a few days the smoke was gone no more blck soot and the machinc reported the mixture was back to normal.

Yeah sure it runs better with the pod but slowly it begins to run crappy.

This is on a 2.6 4cyclinder and it looks like you have a V6.

This is on a 2.6 4cyclinder and it looks like you have a V6.

That is correct (V6) I have a malpassi waiting to go in and will have a air/fuel ratio gauge in after christmas to keep tabs on it. If it does this with a round pod I cant see why it shouldn't do it with an oval one as well.

I'm woundering if it is the middle part of the round pod and I reckon this would be causing the swirl of wind going through due to it's shape as the oval pod has it bloked off and being that it's oval would compinsate for the missing middle section from the round pod.

So what you saying is the oval pod compensates for the lack of a centre hole by having more surface area to draw in air, what about a round pod with a solid top? should be the same i rekon.

So what you saying is the oval pod compensates for the lack of a centre hole by having more surface area to draw in air, what about a round pod with a solid top? should be the same i rekon.

With any luck yes but can't be sure unless you can setup something with white smoke to see how the air passes through the pod filter.

Also if you view the oval pod filter the two sides are flat this could also be stopping the swirling air as well.

the shape of the pod does very little to affect the motor. once it passes throught the maf sensors honeycomb the turbulance of the air will be the same regardless of the filter.

As for running rich on a cone filter rather then an oval... im still getting 28mpg on the highway with mine in, i'd guess more to the fact that with a pod in the driver of the car is more aggressive for a while as they like to hear the growl of an open element intake. Once you get over that your mileage / air/fuel mixture should return to normal.

Oh and Nick, i dont think i ever got back to you. My polished intake isnt a stock 3000gt/GTO item but an aftermarket one readily available all over eBay (in the US). I'm actually gonna be selling mine in the next couple weeks as i'm gonna be using the TT intake piping instead so if you really wanted we coule work out a deal on it?

Oh and Nick, i dont think i ever got back to you. My polished intake isnt a stock 3000gt/GTO item but an aftermarket one readily available all over eBay (in the US). I'm actually gonna be selling mine in the next couple weeks as i'm gonna be using the TT intake piping instead so if you really wanted we coule work out a deal on it?

for sure, keep me informed!