The VH series Valiant that ended with the CM killed off Chrysler Australia because Chrysler Australia thought they could compete with the Kingswood and Falcon head to head. They couldn't!

The 380 is "just another car", there is nothing special about the 380. OK granted it's a great car probably the best Aussie car ever built, but it's the newest Aussie car so it should be the best ever...... shouldn't it?

The VH failed because the changes made between VH and CM were not as major as HQ to HZ or even XA to XC. When released in 1971 the VH was the best Aussie car ever made, until the HQ was released! The VH had the best engine and a good chassis - sounds very familiar doesn't it - !

In 1978 Chrysler released the sensational Sigma! The GE sigma was a leap ahead of the Gallant it replaced, it was also very good when compared with the rounded old Corona and the 200B. Although the 200B with IRS handled better. When updated the GH Sigma with it's square headlights lights was noticeably different externally from the original car. But then GH became GJ.... a car that was meant to be a totally new design. So new was this design that Mitshubishi was able to graft the front of the GJ onto the rear of the old GH wagon to create a Sigma wagon. Something Japan didn't design into the GJ plans, but Australia needed a wagon. From GJ to GN the Sigma hardly changed and in exterior looks the difference between the original GE to the final GN was minimal. FFS sake the original designed wagon from 78 was still on sale in the final model.

The Magna we all love started with the TM in 85. Frankly it hardly changed until replaced with the newer Gen 2 body. The Gen 2 was again hardly changed until the current gen 3 was released. The current gen 3 has new Headlights to create a newer looking car and as a lead into the 380, it also blends into the family look Mitshi is trying to achieve..... someone should tell them they are NOT Mercedes Benz!

Now we have a new car called the 380 .... bigger again as this company once again tries to compete directly with Holden and Fords large car... sounds rather familiar doesn't it! The 380 looks from the front at least a lot like the Magna it replaces, most people will have to look twice and closely to see the difference.

Would you buy a new car that looks like the car it replaces?

Moving this to 380 Forum

Im pretty sure once KB sees this it will be closed ;) as its just another whine.

I didn't mean it as a whine. It's meant as a discussion point hopefully leading to the Mitshi Engineers making major changes to how the 380 looks with it's first facelift. I DON'T want to see Mitshi Aus go down, I have driven Chrysler/Mitshi's all my driving life.

But it has to be said that if the company is not prepared to make some real changes it's in danger of failing badly. I would hate to think the 380 will be to Mitshi Oz what the Pintara/Skyline was to Nissan Oz.

Please let the discussion take place and hopefully Adelaide will see what real people have to say .... I maybe wrong for all I know! :shock:

for gods sake.. please bugger off!

your argument presents no real facts, it only makes a VERY loose tie with some historical facts, plus you have failed to realise the difference between a) mitsubishi and chrysler; and b) the 1970's and today

your trying to tell people what "has" to be done for the 380's mid-cycle upgrade, 2 weeks after the bloody thing has been released! Your saying the company is going to fail based on an upgrade that people currently know nothing about! wtf!

for fuccs sake . . . its been two weeks. Bain, please do it before Kb does it, Please?

im sooooo over the 380... big WOOOP, its a new car.. yes, people have an opinion and might like to voice it, but no one has waited to see how well it goes yet.. its been on the market for 2 weeks FFS!! :rant: yes, they had a minor recall.. NOW MITSU IS GONNA BE GONE FOR EVER!! :gtfo:

people like making mountains out of mole hills.. i just think everyone should sit back, not say a word and wait at LEAST 2 months to see how the sales of this car goes.. then make comments regarding its success/failure

/end rant

for gods sake.. please bugger off!

your argument presents no real facts, it only makes a VERY loose tie with some historical facts, plus you have failed to realise the difference between a) mitsubishi and chrysler; and b) the 1970's and today

your trying to tell people what "has" to be done for the 380's mid-cycle upgrade, 2 weeks after the bloody thing has been released! Your saying the company is going to fail based on an upgrade that people currently know nothing about! wtf!

Bugger off.... oh thats not nice!

My arguement present no real facts.... did you read what I wrote. The only part of Chrysler I talked about was the Valiant. The Current regime are responsable for everything from 1980 onwards!

I made a suggestion that without major visual changes the 380 will have trouble against the new Commodore and Falcon.

This is just my opinion, no need to get personal with the attacks or am I not allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours?

It sounds like you are condemming the 380 to an Early grave???

There have been many Cars that have not Succeded here in Australia as you have Stated the Skyline, yet look at its popularity now, an R-34 is a Prised car now..

It is the Australian Cheap Knock off that fail, the Pintara was a 4 Cylinder R-31 of course it was destined to fail they insulted the Skyline...

I have the feeling the 380 will not be the end of Mitsubishi Australia at all but the Dawning of a new age...
Sure the 380 is Based on the Galant but the Galant is a Beautiful car and so is the 380.

People are still saying it is a rebadged Magna.. This may prove its sucess

Bugger off.... oh thats not nice!

My arguement present no real facts.... did you read what I wrote. The only part of Chrysler I talked about was the Valiant. The Current regime are responsable for everything from 1980 onwards!

I made a suggestion that without major visual changes the 380 will have trouble against the new Commodore and Falcon.

This is just my opinion, no need to get personal with the attacks or am I not allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours?

you lack an understanding for business then, the same management team would never stay in place for 20 years in a company such as MMAL, its changed numerous times and the current management is very different to what took over 25 years ago

your suggestion is noted, but what got up my, and a few others, shirt was the fact that your saying MMAL is going to fail if they dont upgrade the design to compete with new commodores and falcons despite the fact you a) dont know what the new commodore will look like, b) dont know what the new falcon will look like and c) dont know what MMAL has planned for the series 2 380

your making all these negetive statements based on nothing more then some historical facts that really have no relevance in todays context

your suggestion is noted, but what got up my, and a few others, shirt was the fact that your saying MMAL is going to fail if they dont upgrade the design to compete with new commodores and falcons despite the fact you a) dont know what the new commodore will look like, b) dont know what the new falcon will look like and c) dont know what MMAL has planned for the series 2 380


True I have no idea(stop nodding) about the New Crapadore and ***clon or even the series 2 380. But! going on the past and looking at what Holden and Ford do with their new designs they will both be very different looking cars to the current models. Also going on past MMAL(thanks for that ...) updates from GJ to GK, TM to TN, TR to TS, TE to TH ... even going back to VH to VJ the updates are not much appart from maybe some new badging.

True I have no idea(stop nodding) about the New Crapadore and ***clon or even the series 2 380. But! going on the past and looking at what Holden and Ford do with their new designs they will both be very different looking cars to the current models. Also going on past MMAL(thanks for that ...) updates from GJ to GK, TM to TN, TR to TS, TE to TH ... even going back to VH to VJ the updates are not much appart from maybe some new badging.

AHHHHHH!!!

how is the upgrade from TJ to TL in styling terms not as significant as the upgrade from VX-VY commodore and AU-BA falcon? its every bit as significant!

you cant judge what mitsubishi did bloody 10-20 years ago with first and second gen magna's and even sigma's! The company is very different now! judge them solely on their most recent work, and there most recent mid-cycle upgrade was TJ-TL!

and ofcourse the next commodore and falcon are going to look different next time around, because they will both be all new from the ground up! JUST LIKE THE 380!!! :rant: :nuts: :rant: :nuts:

hate to argue with you as i know what happens richo...

but the difference between the TJ to TL nearly killed them...

go by that... BZZZZT YOU TEH DUMB

The 380 is "just another car", there is nothing special about the 380. OK granted it's a great car probably the best Aussie car ever built, but it's the newest Aussie car so it should be the best ever...... shouldn't it?

so which one is it you said its probably the best car, cause its the newest it should be the best :nuts: then it is. yes just another car like a falcon or commodore.


The Magna we all love started with the TM in 85. Frankly it hardly changed until replaced with the newer Gen 2 body. The Gen 2 was again hardly changed until the current gen 3 was released.

shock horror! AU - BAII / VT - VZ


The 380 looks from the front at least a lot like the Magna it replaces, most people will have to look twice and closely to see the difference.


from the front? more angles than just the front. it looks nothing like it have you seen one for real. may I suggest a good optometrist


Would you buy a new car that looks like the car it replaces?
I did TE - TJ and thinking about a runout TW. so do a lot of fleet buyers.


My arguement present no real facts....
agreed its unanimus! I rest my case.

']hate to argue with you as i know what happens richo...

but the difference between the TJ to TL nearly killed them...

go by that... BZZZZT YOU TEH DUMB

yeah i know the difference wasnt a good difference, it was almost universally hated, but we arent talking about whether it looked better or not, just whether there is a major difference. She said "based on past evidence the commodore and falcon will look different to the current car" but if you look at mitsubishi's past evidence, the TJ-TL upgrade, then the 380's upgrade will also look significantly different as the TL looks alot different to the TJ, just not in a good way :P

yeah i know the difference wasnt a good difference, it was almost universally hated, but we arent talking about whether it looked better or not, just whether there is a major difference. She said "based on past evidence the commodore and falcon will look different to the current car" but if you look at mitsubishi's past evidence, the TJ-TL upgrade, then the 380's upgrade will also look significantly different as the TL looks alot different to the TJ, just not in a good way :P
bingo gotchya...

ill go back to spamming.... my debating is up the s**t today :P

She said "based on past evidence the commodore and falcon will look different to the current car" but if you look at mitsubishi's past evidence, the TJ-TL upgrade, then the 380's upgrade will also look significantly different as the TL looks alot different to the TJ, just not in a good way :P

Firstly...she is the cats mother. My name is Tess!

Secondly, how about the changes from TE to TH? The Commodore VT to VX the rear-end was re-designed.

Firstly...she is the cats mother. My name is Tess!
secondly...

where the hell does that saying come from....

Firstly...she is the cats mother. My name is Tess!

Secondly, how about the changes from TE to TH? The Commodore VT to VX the rear-end was re-designed.

grille, tailights, wheel trims badge palcement........

what about BA - BAII / VY - VZ?

Firstly...she is the cats mother. My name is Tess!

Secondly, how about the changes from TE to TH? The Commodore VT to VX the rear-end was re-designed.

and my name isnt RJL25 funnily enough...

what about VR to VS???

this is stupid and poitnless, as i said, you can only judge on their most recent efforts, and their most recent effort in upgrade and that was TJ-TL which, for better or for worse, was a significant upgrade

AHHHHHH!!!


and ofcourse the next commodore and falcon are going to look different next time around, because they will both be all new from the ground up! JUST LIKE THE 380!!! :rant: :nuts: :rant: :nuts:

Wrong about the Falcon! Carryover rear suspension, engines (pretty much) but there is no 3 valve V8. There are still struts on the front of VE so no, they are not new from the ground up.

Firstly...she is the cats mother. My name is Tess!

Secondly, how about the changes from TE to TH? The Commodore VT to VX the rear-end was re-designed.

Sorry, they only added a toe control link to the "extremely average" rear suspension. It wasnt re-designed.

Wrong about the Falcon! Carryover rear suspension, engines (pretty much) but there is no 3 valve V8. There are still struts on the front of VE so no, they are not new from the ground up.

they are both being built of brand new plaforms, and yes the commodore will still have front on the front, but the design will be different, it will likely have an additional lower a arm for a start

they are both being built of brand new plaforms, and yes the commodore will still have front on the front, but the design will be different, it will likely have an additional lower a arm for a start

The Falcon's platform wont be all new and the VE front suspension (from what i have heard)will be very similar to the Adventra

:js:

the "380" brings out the arguments doesn't it?

I love the 380! ( even if the front suspension is a virtual carryover! ) :D

Sorry, they only added a toe control link to the "extremely average" rear suspension. It wasnt re-designed.

Get with the program..... I wasn't talkin about underneath the car. I was talkin the rear lights.

It's all about the looks.

It's all about the looks.

Couldn't agree with you more Tessa - I like the looks of mine! :D

Get with the program..... I wasn't talkin about underneath the car. I was talkin the rear lights.

It's all about the looks.

Ahh, thats right! There were big panel changes, lots of "redesigning" :doubt:

Couldn't agree with you more Tessa - I like the looks of mine! :D

Lets hope everyone agree's with you Pop's!

Bottom line is, if we don't back this new bloody car up we are not promoting it's life by any means. Have a think about it everyone who owns a Magna, what happens if this 380 flies south... if it 'kills' MMAL then all our cars will be of less worth and parts will become that much more expensive.

Now lets start trying to praise the new car and promote it as if it was our own, because part of our livelihood depends on it.

I will leave this open for a few minutes for people to respond, but it will be closed shortly.

ps. some longer standing members are being a bit cuthroat with comments to other members, I have seen it in a few threads now... ease up a bit.

pps. If you dont want to back it up for this reason or that, easier maybe just not to comment so much.

So no open and honest discussion within the Family of MMAL is allowed!

Surely closing our eyes and hopping everything will be OK is disastrous.

Bottom line is, if we don't back this new bloody car up we are not promoting it's life by any means. Have a think about it everyone who owns a Magna, what happens if this 380 flies south... if it 'kills' MMAL then all our cars will be of less worth and parts will become that much more expensive.

Now lets start trying to praise the new car and promote it as if it was our own, because part of our livelihood depends on it.

I will leave this open for a few minutes for people to respond, but it will be closed shortly.

dont forget the employees and their families will be the hardest hit. its disturbing there are people who will bag the compnay and have no regard to the people behind the car. it certainly says a lot about their integrity.

So no open and honest discussion within the Family of MMAL is allowed!
Surely closing our eyes and hopping everything will be OK is disastrous.
I didn't say that, but some of us including me are still yet to see the 380 being driven on the streets and we are ready to condemn it!... it just surprises me.

Let the car stretch it's legs a bit before we dig into the bag of doom and gloom... read your thread title for goodness sakes, it is a bit damning no?

So no open and honest discussion within the Family of MMAL is allowed!

Surely closing our eyes and hopping everything will be OK is disastrous.


My arguement present no real facts....

its not OK to slander the car when you got no facts to back up. I hope you can sleep at night trivialising the lively hood of all the people and their families especially at this time of year.

dont forget the employees and their families will be the hardest hit. its disturbing there are people who will bag the compnay and have no regard to the people behind the car. it certainly says a lot about their integrity.

I am not bagging the Car as such! I am asking that MMAL not repeat the pattern of MMAL past with the Sigma and earlier Magnas.

How many times do I have to say ...I DON'T WANNA SEE MMAL FAIL!

How many times do I have to say ...I DON'T WANNA SEE MMAL FAIL!
Well, maybe think about your choice of words in your title then... "380 will kill Mitshi in OZ!"

Not trying to bag you or anything, but that will stir negative sentiment.

ps. some longer standing members are being a bit cuthroat with comments to other members, I have seen it in a few threads now... ease up a bit.

*appologises* frustration gets the better of me sometimes...

The only thing I agree with what you said is that the 380 (at least the front-end), looks a lot like the Magna. The problem for Mitsubishi is that it's the worst time to release a new model - It should have been released after the TJ series 2 instead of the TL. Now with petrol prices increasing, lower costs for imports like Hyundais etc, the public lacking confidence in Mitsubishi due to potential bankruptcy, and the fact that Holden will be releasing the new Commodore in < 6 months and Ford soon afterwards, It's really the worst time for Mitsubishi to be bringing out a new model. It should have came out a few years ago. If they can weather the storm now, they should be fine for the future. The hard thing is that it's a pretty bad storm at the moment and I'm personally not convinced they can beat it.

Well, maybe think about your choice of words in your title then... "380 will kill Mitshi in OZ!"

Fair enough... I tried to change the title of the thread to Will the 380 save MMAL? but it wont let me.....

But why close the discussion? I have seen the 380 driving and have had to look twice at the body shape to see if it was the 380 or a Magna. The percentage of people buying the 380 that come to AMC to see whats being discussed and to help them make a decision to buy or not.... would be what?

The percentage of people buying the 380 that come to AMC to see whats being discussed and to help them make a decision to buy or not.... would be what?
Worth considering, thats for sure! If you think this thread would not deter some people from buying then I think you are a little unaware of how influential these forums are.

Join me and come to the dark side... you know you want to....the force is strong in the dark side....I feel it in you...... lol (darthvader voice)

i have no problem with people talking about any faults with the car, my issue is with people basing arguments on no real facts! I love a good debate (well dah..) but it really gives me the shets when people base their arguments on facts that either arent relevant (like what happened to the first and second gen magna, the sigma and the valliant) or no facts at all

Well, I have supported Mitsu to succeed with the 380.
True, there may be a couple things against it (rising fuel cost, etc), but I love the underdog.

I've had positive reaction to the 380 from my workmates today, even some guy in the Coles car park last nite said it looked good.

:cool:

Cheers,
Pops

Good to hear, and well done on the purchase :thumbsup:

and I thought noone would buy the GT model at $50,000 :nuts: How wrong I was.......
Good effort mate for pulling out the big ones and being different

I am part of a Collingwood Football Club site http://nick.magpies.net/ that the club monitors. I am sure MMAL would monitor this site as well. If every heated/negative discussion gets closed that can't be a good look for the peoples in Adelaide.

No-one has said anything to me that I can't handle.... is it the INTERNET after all people get brave behind a PC. The discussion is including peoples feelings on the 380 and whether it's been done "right" or not. This type of feedback is priceless for marketing of the 380 as it comes from within the very people wishing the most that the 380 is a major success.

theres already a couple of 380 at work the vrx and gt now my ralliart is overshadowed :badgrin:

Why doesn't everyone just shutup and focus on Eye Popper and Vinnie Roe winning or getting a place at the Melbourne Cup? After all I have good money on them and it's more important than debating whether or not the 380's steering wheel etc will be the deciding factor in Mitsubishi's future success. Woohoo!

I again point you to your title... I know what point you are trying to make and I am not as stupid as you may think, but these threads have come and gone and just stirred up anger and frustration in the past, I think that point alone not only justifies why we close them but shows people that we are dedicated to the club and the car, why go to the effort to condemn it.

We close threads for more reasons than just to protect somones pride

Join me and come to the dark side... you know you want to....the force is strong in the dark side....I feel it in you...... lol (darthvader voice)
*luke skywalker voice*

i.....must......resist.....inferior.....builds.... .......

I again point you to your title...

Well then perhaps you can change the title, considering I tried but can't!

I'm over all this "this is the t=end of Mitsu" threads, can't all this info go into 1 thread? :nuts:

If not, this will be the end of Australian Magna Club :bowrofl:

Well then perhaps you can change the title, considering I tried but can't!
Sorry, I typically only change titles if the content is offensive or someone has made a mistake in the For Sale section etc, otherwise people are responsible for their own decisions on content.

']*luke skywalker voice*

i.....must......resist.....inferior.....builds.... .......

*darth vader voice*
you still have much to learn young skywalker...your father was killed by his decision to remain with the alliance...He was killed from terrible understeer.....something only practiced by the light side....the dark force have stronger powers .....much stronger powers....join me and I will teach you the powers of rear-wheel drive...powers unknown to the alliance......join me and we will be indestructible.....

*darth vader voice*
you still have much to learn young skywalker...the dark force have stronger powers .....much stronger powers....join me and I will teach you the powers of rear-wheel drive...powers unknown to the alliance......join me and we will be indestructible.....
*skywalker voice*

oh no lord vader... a corner....

Another reason why we close threads!

Sorry to disagree but the cm/cl failed because Chrysler went for a big car, holden went for smaller and ford went for lighter as was the ad campaign for the XD at the time.

The so called fuel crisis was with us and everyone wanted smaller, so Chrysler (you know, the yank company) misread the market. It was the wrong car for the time.

I must admit I've never been a big fan of the plder frameless window magnas but this 380 is something else (yes I know its got full frame glass). It's a damn good car at a good price. True fuel prices are up, but the simple fact is people still want cars and for most the little eco boxes just dont cut it.

The timing could have been a little better but I think they could be on a winner.
It's got all the features big aussies want and should draw of a lot of the rwd fans not to mention camry (yawwwnnnnn) etc drivers.

This means a lot to mits and I reckon they'll be fine. Trust me it takes a lot to impress the Ol' fart when it comes to fwd and the 380 does. Well dun Mitsubishi ( you know, the japanese company). :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Onya Old Fart.. you speak much sense.

Good to see so much emotion tied up in this car. Our friend Tess is your typical realist/cynic. And RJL makes some good counterpoints.

Basically, do you want the 380 to succeed? a bit of negative carping on an internet chat site aint going to make any difference, Tess. What is the real issue? are you trying to find a dozen reasons not to buy the new car? -- and hang on to your Altera?

I would love a new 380.. but I can't afford the changeover now. My TJ VR-X, with the huge depreciation I've suffered on it (like all Magna owners) will just have to do. I don't have to find fault with Mitsu's latest (and greatest!) vehicle, to justify me hanging on to the TJ.

Tess. Just roll with the times. Let go of the 70s. :)

I would love a new 380.. but I can't afford the changeover now. My TJ VR-X, with the huge depreciation I've suffered on it (like all Magna owners) will just have to do. I don't have to find fault with Mitsu's latest (and greatest!) vehicle, to justify me hanging on to the TJ.

Tess. Just roll with the times. Let go of the 70s. :)

:stoopid:
Precisely.

We need to keep our fingers crossed the 380 succeeds. It'd be a dark day if it all ends for mitsu.I for one would be very disappointed, after coming this far.
But im doubting it will fail. We all hope though that the 380 will hold its value longer..although, with increasing petrol prices, i am lead to think V6's and 8's are going downhill, and 4's are the way to go

Onya Old Fart.. you speak much sense.

Tess. What is the real issue? are you trying to find a dozen reasons not to buy the new car? -- and hang on to your Altera?



Maybe because I need either a wagon or hatch for my work I have a deep seated hatred for the wagon-less 380...
:nuts:
I'll ask my counselor.

Maybe because I need either a wagon or hatch for my work I have a deep seated hatred for the wagon-less 380...
:nuts:
I'll ask my counselor.

Angst ridden :nuts: Large size wagons will soon be a thing of the past. Look to Toyota for axing the Camry wagon, The BF will probably be the last Falcon wagon ( Territory will kill it ) Holden will probably axe the Commodore wagon after the VZ. Why should Mitsu develope a 380 wagon for a dying market? Its money better spent elsewhere. The Lancer wagon and the Outlander more than fill the gap marketing wise.

this is one vicious thread, but i reckon you should all wait till after a year, then start commenting on it's sucess or failure

this is one vicious thread, but i reckon you should all wait till after a year, then start commenting on it's sucess or failure

I personally think that the 380 will do well. We all need to get behind it because it does deserve to succeed! With the shoestring budget that Mitsu had to work with they really have done superbly! :bowrofl:

Angst ridden :nuts: Large size wagons will soon be a thing of the past. Look to Toyota for axing the Camry wagon, The BF will probably be the last Falcon wagon ( Territory will kill it )

The Territory is a nice car, granted, however I know that Ford are still selling their Wagon in volumes to justify its development. Telstra need to get their fleet cars from somewhere now MMAL don't make a Wagon. :P


As much as I like my new TL, I can't help think that the 380 makes the car look inferior in every way. It is a brand new car in Australia, which I know will help MMAL make a profit. It has everything going for it, and for those Sydneysiders online, if you went to the motor-show, which stand had more people on it, Holdung (even with Big Nose signing Autographs) or Mitsubishi? I was at the Mitsu stand for over an hour when I was there, and I still struggled to get a sit in the 380, so I went for the 380 (ES) and could feel the build quality, and the pride that went into the build of even the base model of the 380. The only other cars I felt that in were the other Mitsu cars. Ford, Holdung (I am a Ford fan also) and even Toyota had tinny, poorly built cars. The 380 truly is Better Built, Better Backed. It even makes my TL feel inferiorly built.

AMP

as said b4, give it a year or 2, enuff time 2 get them on the 2nd hand market as well, and u'll notice ppl suddenly putting their hands up 4 one as it will b cheaper 2nd hand, and with features etc against say a vy/vx commo, they'll take it if the price is comparable. hell they should now as it has more features, longer warranty and a lil cheaper!

but yeah, as sed b4 these 'mitsi will die' threads r gettin old...2 many of these -> :soapbox:

but yeah, as sed b4 these 'mitsi will die' threads r gettin old...2 many of these -> :soapbox:

Damn straight! I've seen the 380 on the road and it looks fantastic. But as said by Spackbace, enough is enough. I'm over ppl baggin the brand we all love (THATS WHY WE'RE IN THIS CLUB!!, and if u don't love mistu, go away)

This car is built by a company who know how to build a car that dosen't fall apart (THATS WHY MY TR IS STILL ON THE ROAD) and im sure the 380 won't!!!!

peace

[QUOTE=Spackbace]as said b4, give it a year or 2,
:bowrofl: After 2 years not many people will remember 380. :rant: And I’m with Tessa -380 is an uglyfugly car and will kill MMAL. :cry: Only I hope that I’m wrong?!

Lucky for MMAL their management are a little more qualified to make judgements on the cars viability instead of your average joe street level with his very narrow minded opinions.

They look good, handle and drive well. Just a matter of time till we see some sales figures.

[QUOTE=Spackbace]as said b4, give it a year or 2,
:bowrofl: After 2 years not many people will remember 380. :rant: And I’m with Tessa -380 is an uglyfugly car and will kill MMAL. :cry: Only I hope that I’m wrong?!
yer ok... nice post.

The salesman where I test drove the 380 is a complete Holden nut, owns a 5.0l ss worked, and drags on the weekends, and even he is in love with the 380 and cant believe how well they are selling, so early indications are very good indeed, you only need to drive one and your hooked, and they look nothing like the ole magna, not in the slightest sense.

I mean people followed us on the test drive, some back to the dealership to have a good look at it, with beaming smiling faces.

And yep, I live in the bush and have already seen a few, funnilly enough all have been VRX's, and not the base model, suggesting that private buyers are buying them, which is a really good sign.

Shouldnt attack the newies opinion.

Maybe the 380 may come out with wagon may not.
In the meantime maybe a TL wagon,nimbus,outlander

380 might survive or rule the sedan world coz the petrol crisis is over as said in the news. petrol will go down as soon as possible. :dancin: :thumbsup:

380 might survive or rule the sedan world coz the petrol crisis is over as said in the news. petrol will go down as soon as possible. :dancin: :thumbsup:

Where is the evidence of this report!!

Where is the evidence of this report!!
Here here! Link damn you Dark Magician!

Link or ban!

If petrol was a worry, I would have bought a Mazda 3. People are staring to realize that Petrol is going to be an item in the budget that you can't budget for in terms of price rises, price drops. Whilst I'm not saying that petrol needs to be expensive, it is something that we have quickly gotten used to. The 380, in Automatic form, even with a larger engine, is more economical than my TL, and many other 'Big Sixes' out there if you go off the ADR cycle. The Falcon with the 6 speed is the only car that may better it, however with the Very Large 6 in that, it may be difficult to see fuel economy out of that motor without a 'Road Ranger 16 Speed Truck Box'.

If the early signs are right, the 380 will be the car to turn Mitsubishi OZ's fortunes around. I for one hope they are around for the long haul, because my next car is going to be a 380 GT, but not for about 5 years.

380 might survive or rule the sedan world coz the petrol crisis is over as said in the news. petrol will go down as soon as possible. :dancin: :thumbsup:
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LINK DAMMIT LINK!!!1!

True I have no idea(stop nodding) about the New Crapadore and ***clon or even the series 2 380. But! going on the past and looking at what Holden and Ford do with their new designs they will both be very different looking cars to the current models. Also going on past MMAL(thanks for that ...) updates from GJ to GK, TM to TN, TR to TS, TE to TH ... even going back to VH to VJ the updates are not much appart from maybe some new badging.


vt through vz, 97 through 2006 (until the ve comes out) the commodore has changes so little its not funny, not in total, but everytime they do a model change, it is only something very small that changes, through to the point where when they do bring out the new ve, and it just looks like a series update again.

The other thing with all commodores and most falcons, is that the base model looks so close to the top of the range and sports models inside that if you owned a calais and an executive, you would have trouble telling which one you are driving from the inside.

the 380 has very noticable differences between all its models inside, and even has differences outside the vehicle too so that people dont look at their gt and go, why didnt i save 30 grand and put wheels on a base 380...

Bain0, you were spot on