Can't beleive how could the new outlander looks. looked at the specs page on the jap page and was well... suprised, to my beleif it is the first mitsu vehicle to have an INVECS III transmission and a 6 speed auto. I also noticed it has a 650w rockford fostgate stereo along with a subwoofer. also automatic stability control along with the conclusion of curtain airbags. i was wanting to know if any of these things would be a possible inclusion on 380 series 2 (considering it will be successful.... well i believe in it anyway).

if you wanna have a look go to:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/index.html or www.outlander.jp

I was actually suprised also has the speed lever things (look exactly like the lexus ones) to change gears when in tiptronic. also on the second website mentioned above they show racing car drivers driving it and they like what they see. bloody hell this thing will sell like hotcakes.. if it is released mid '06 here i still cant think of an SUV to compete with it. the territory's dash is yuk compared to it and holdens 4wd ... well um all i can say is DAEWOO (i think the descison to save a few quid by importing pov daewoos over european opels will hurt holdens image in the near future along with holdens appaling build quality).

Anyway... have a look and well yeah... would any of these features be able to be put in to the 380 or not... because it basically has every possibilty that series 2 380 could offer.
Finally... im not looking to buy a 380 till next year and probably 2nd hand.. just depends .. anyway i hope it gets Wheels car of the Year '06 as the Ford is an outdated design and doesn't the new Holden come out to late anyway? (and holdens build quality is crap now so it should be disadvantaged for that reason alone)

a mivec powered RWD 380 with 6 speed auto and curtain airbags would sell like hotcakes. i say RWD instead of AWD because mitsubishi already has the evo and RWD has a couple advantages, ie: its lighter and you lose less power.

I think you'll find that the INVECS III mokier stands for CVT applcations only, so it's doubtful it'll make the 380 Series 2... as for a slightly more conventional six speeder transmission... here's hoping. Also, I think INVECS III had much humbler beginnings in the Japanese version of the CG Lancer.... though it may have been used earlier still.

Get over the RWD thing people.

Get over the RWD thing people.

i appreciate the benefits of AWD as well, just saying that they have the room for a differential there, and its cheaper and simpler then AWD. a CVT would be awesome on the 380, make it super smooth, give it better performance and better fuel economy.

I dont care about that.

I'm saying get over it because it's not going to happen.

You can talk about it till your blue in the mouth but Mitsu isnt going to change their whole plant which they have recently spend 10's of millions of dollars on upgrading, just to do RWD.

It wont happen so stop going on about it.

Let's just get back to talking about the gearbox.

And RWD/FWD/AWD isnt the be-all and end-all selling point of a car. So it being RWD wouldnt mean diddly squat to most of the buyers out there.

I have driven FWD and RWD (never driven AWD) and honestly couldn't care less. I go for the outside appearance of the car and when the interior looks at good as the outside it is my car. This is where the commodore didn't match up in 2001 when we purchased a KJ Verada Xi. Now towards the start or possibly middle of next year we will get either a 380LX or 380GT and we would buy it regardless if it was a FWD, AWD or RWD. In my opinion it doesn't really make that much of a difference when you are driving in the city.

I have driven FWD and RWD (never driven AWD) and honestly couldn't care less. I go for the outside appearance of the car and when the interior looks at good as the outside it is my car. This is where the commodore didn't match up in 2001 when we purchased a KJ Verada Xi. Now towards the start or possibly middle of next year we will get either a 380LX or 380GT and we would buy it regardless if it was a FWD, AWD or RWD. In my opinion it doesn't really make that much of a difference when you are driving in the city.

Exactly my point. Thank you!

RWD has a couple advantages, ie: its lighter and you lose less power.

Actually RWD is heavier, and you lose more power...


I have driven FWD and RWD (never driven AWD) and honestly couldn't care less.

Exactly - Nor could 90% of the population - the fact remains its the car fans who are the ones always going on about fwd or rwd. Most people care about the car's appearance, safety, brand name recognition, reliabilty - before even putting consideration towards the engine, let alone the drivetrain.

In 99.8% of driving that most cars do on the road, there would be no benefit in having a rwd or fwd. The only real benefits could be argued when the car is used for performance - but really, how often are cars *really pushed*

he was comparing rwd to awd i believe...


i only want rwd because i want to throw a ridiculous amount of money at my car, i don't think .0000005% of people have the need for rwd for quick starts and top power (compared to awd). Awd will do me, ill have to buy a drivable pimp executive car in a few years i'm mitsu fanatic so this 6spd gearbox sounds like the shiz

Actually RWD is heavier, and you lose more power...



Exactly - Nor could 90% of the population - the fact remains its the car fans who are the ones always going on about fwd or rwd. Most people care about the car's appearance, safety, brand name recognition, reliabilty - before even putting consideration towards the engine, let alone the drivetrain.

In 99.8% of driving that most cars do on the road, there would be no benefit in having a rwd or fwd. The only real benefits could be argued when the car is used for performance - but really, how often are cars *really pushed*

i should of been clearer, i meant RWD is lighter then AWD. i'm just saying that if they were going to make a proper performance model a car with that much power shouldn't be FWD (if the owners intend to push it). i also think that RWD would fit in better with the line-up then another performance AWD. the FWD in the 380 should be seen as an advantage in many respects that people here know, but how many people realise that elsewhere?

You guys have missed the point. Whenever someone mentions AWD, FWD or RWD in a single post it breaks out in to an 'I know what I'm talking about and driveline type X is the best and you all suck' pointless e-Penis 'discussion'.

Good to see that this thread carry's on the AM tradition. :nuts:

You guys have missed the point. Whenever someone mentions AWD, FWD or RWD in a single post it breaks out in to an 'I know what I'm talking about and driveline type X is the best and you all suck' pointless e-Penis 'discussion'.

Good to see that this thread carry's on the AM tradition. :nuts:

:bowrofl: hehe

nah i'm not gonna pull out my e-penis...hey i drive a galant se, i dont need 2 compensate ;)

You guys have missed the point. Whenever someone mentions AWD, FWD or RWD in a single post it breaks out in to an 'I know what I'm talking about and driveline type X is the best and you all suck' pointless e-Penis 'discussion'.

Good to see that this thread carry's on the AM tradition. :nuts:

Happens on any forum

Happens on any forum
Yeah, naturally, but it happens here all the time and it always ends up in the same way. Waste of bandwidth just like this thread.

I dont care about that.

I'm saying get over it because it's not going to happen.

You can talk about it till your blue in the mouth but Mitsu isnt going to change their whole plant which they have recently spend 10's of millions of dollars on upgrading, just to do RWD.

It wont happen so stop going on about it.

Let's just get back to talking about the gearbox.

And RWD/FWD/AWD isnt the be-all and end-all selling point of a car. So it being RWD wouldnt mean diddly squat to most of the buyers out there.
Especially when it's only a SMALL percentage of the population who believes that RWD is so great. Most drivers (and a fair few decent ones) couldnt tell the difference. Mitsubishi had been selling Magnas pretty well up until the end of the TJ and most were FWD.

Especially when it's only a SMALL percentage of the population who believes that RWD is so great. Most drivers (and a fair few decent ones) couldnt tell the difference. Mitsubishi had been selling Magnas pretty well up until the end of the TJ and most were FWD.

sorry to of brought it up, i was just trying to say that different drive setups suit different types of cars. FWD suits the 380 because its cheaper, lighter and more economical, and there isn't much difference when driven normally. RWD would suit a performance model with a MIVEC engine because that would have a LOT of power which would require a complicated FWD system to channel properly.