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ICUH8N
19-11-2005, 12:58 PM
Ok, I'm planning on selling my subwoofer soon + box (hence the EOI in the Sales section)...however, I'm unsure of what to go on here. I need loud, but still remain with some form of quality.

I'll have about $600 in a months time, after christmas, but if I sell my current sub + box i hope to have over $750. So, I'll need to purchase a new box (so minus $200), now we're at $550. What can I buy for $550 in terms of 2 subwoofers which are LOUD, but also remain of quality. S_tim_ulate recommended his DD subs, but i'm open to other suggestions too!

s_tim_ulate
19-11-2005, 01:11 PM
Build ur own boxes. You'll save a heap. They are easy to do with simple tools. Basic handsaw, some clamps, jigsaw and a drill.

You can probably make an awesome box to exact specs for $75. Will take you a day.

ICUH8N
19-11-2005, 01:14 PM
A 5 year old girl could use tools better than me.

s_tim_ulate
19-11-2005, 01:15 PM
If you have arms n legs you can do it... (u dont even need legs..) Hell eek can make a box.

ICUH8N
19-11-2005, 01:20 PM
I could always make a false floor and have them free air like, dunno if that'd sound any good..prolly not.

magnat
19-11-2005, 02:35 PM
With $550 for Two Subs thats is only $275 Each...

Possibly Two JBL GT03 12 inch Subs could be bought for this kind of Budget..

MitsiMonsta
19-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Well, it depends on what you want.

Who says $220 for a sub box? What sort of box, sealed or ported, size & number of drivers?
Does it have those bling perspex windows with a logo routed into it????

What I spent almost 12 months ago: 2x JBL GT4-12 Subs @ $150 each. They are now $119 if you can find 'em. There is anew model out, basically the same but cone is nicer looking, and they are DVC now too. Pic see avatar.

You can also get Pioneer TSW-306C 12" subs from Repco now as they are distributing Pioneer nationwide. They have a special on right now.

Then I got a box (DNA brand) to suit, just 60L sealed, nothing special. fits just a bit too sugly between the rear strut towers, but no need to tie it down. This box cost me $120 from my local audio shop (funnily enough, their main brand is Kenwood :shock: ).

Then i spent under $10 for a tube of NON-ACID silicone. Trimmed the carpet back from under the basket of the subs, put a nice fat bead of silicone around the holes, wired the subs (any which way) and dropped them in with big fat screws to hold in place.

Total of about $430 including some new thick speaker wire, and it goes very well.

ICUH8N
20-11-2005, 07:11 AM
Well, it depends on what you want.

Who says $220 for a sub box? What sort of box, sealed or ported, size & number of drivers?
Does it have those bling perspex windows with a logo routed into it????



I might be able to get the box cheaper, it'll be ported, size unknown and 2 drivers.

Mulga
20-11-2005, 05:04 PM
Got the local cabinet maker to make me a box. :D

19mm MDF with quad in all the interior joins to help make it airtight, braces inside, glued and screwed for $110.00. :cool:

'Coz I would have absolutely slaughtered it, and ended up with a leaky, crooked, falling apart POS. :bowrofl:

Either way, make sure it's the correct volume for the sub/subs you're putting in it.

And don't do like my local *insert chain store* installer.

"Fix sub box in the boot? I just use Velcro" :shock:

Him- " Why should I sell/recommend Fire Extinguishers for the boot with my installs?"

Me- " Because it's full of wood and cables carrying big amperage."

Him- " Never seen one catch fire yet..." :nuts:

pyr0magna
20-11-2005, 05:34 PM
if your on the cheap and still want decent bass (like i was) go to SuperCheapAuto and get 2 or 3 12" Rampage Subs (avaliable in single or twins)

i have the twin 10" and they great

the single 12" is $139 with the box and all very good qualitly for the price

s_tim_ulate
20-11-2005, 05:39 PM
if your on the cheap and still want decent bass (like i was) go to SuperCheapAuto and get 2 or 3 12" Rampage Subs (avaliable in single or twins)

i have the twin 10" and they great

the single 12" is $139 with the box and all very good qualitly for the price
Or instead you could save the 3 x $139 = $417
And get a good sub that will destroy all three of them

Spend right and do it right the first time.

Mr İharisma
20-11-2005, 05:59 PM
Hmmm I hate to be the odd one out but for $750 you could get either:

Vibe Space 12inch sub in a tuned turbo enclosure ( dam the are loud ) or

Crossfire XT212 in a ported box.

They will be way louder and accurate than most "cheaper" subs, real question is though... do you have 1kw to drive the above :badgrin:

s_tim_ulate
20-11-2005, 06:04 PM
haha for that much dd3512 idmax re xxx (second hand) Brahma etc...

MitsiMonsta
20-11-2005, 06:12 PM
Tim is exactly right, many subs at that sort of price range ($450-$500) that are of very good quality. Vibe Blackair 12's for example retails at around that mark.

I have just noticed in the new JB hifi catalog that they are doing Audiobahn subs (no mention of model in the catalog) for $139 each. These retail at about $200 each normally.
Audiobahn has a reputation for being very loud, but not much in terms of SQ. If I was picking between these Audiobahns and the new JBL GTO1202D, it would be a very hard decision.

JBL's would have much better SQ, although not to much difference in SPL, but the Audiobahns are louder. Both run DVC's and have similar power handling ratings. The Audiobahn would get he thumbs up if I was doing a basket out install, they are very bling that way. The JBL's - mine anyway- are pretty dull.

All depends on what you want, where your priorities are - SQ or SPL.

Righty
20-11-2005, 06:29 PM
even the set of kickers that JB have for about 550ish in box. 2x12" and they sounded *** loud!

Ralliart 410
20-11-2005, 07:38 PM
You don't need 2 subs mate. 1 good quality sub is more then enough. I pulled out my old twin 12" subs and popped in a Polk Audio 15" sub and it's pure mad. You get what you pay for - period.

ICUH8N
20-11-2005, 08:10 PM
Alright, alright hang on, let me get this out first. I'm not going to SuperCheap Auto, I'm not that stupid when it comes to car audio. I'd rather have a fried subwoofer and have a monkey in the boot pushing it back and forth, than buying some Rampage crap.

It's coming down to the big question of 2x12" Subwoofers (Reasonably loud+quality), or 1x12" Subwoofer that's loud and of course would be a lot better in quality than the 2 reasonable subs. I'm really after loudness, but I don't want them to be terrible in terms of quality.

At the moment, my current subwoofer being a 600Watt Max Earthquake DB-12R subwoofer, ok I'll admit it's not brilliant quality but it's decent enough (im sure s_tim_ulate would disagree though, hehe). But if I could get 2 subwoofers of the same quality (or higher) that are much louder than these Earthquakes, than I'll go with that. At the moment, these Digital Design subwoofers are looking pretty good.

[TUFFTR]
20-11-2005, 10:31 PM
SCA have the rampage ones, 2 x 12"s in box for $250....at a sale you could get em for around 200 im guessing.
buy 2 of those....youd be laughing for $400.....

s_tim_ulate
20-11-2005, 11:01 PM
DD 4 tha win :D

danstraz
20-11-2005, 11:29 PM
if your on the cheap and still want decent bass (like i was) go to SuperCheapAuto and get 2 or 3 12" Rampage Subs (avaliable in single or twins)

i have the twin 10" and they great

the single 12" is $139 with the box and all very good qualitly for the price


I didn't think 'super cheap' and 'quality' go too well together, let alone 'sound quality'...
but I haven't heard the things, so I can't comment, sorry.

Mr İharisma
21-11-2005, 06:48 AM
DD 4 tha win :D

It will all depend on the power though, since they are not the most sensitive of things he will need quite a lot of power.

The Crossfire XT will kill the 35xx series in SPL, but not the 95xx and 99xx series. But then it all depends on the box etc so there might not be that much in it between the XT and 35xx series but I would go the XT for under $1, 000. Marty has an ex-demo for $550 :shock:

Hertz has some new SPL subs out, HXS 300 and 350 ( 12inch and 15inch subs ). They will crank out of a smallish box ( compared to the above ) and will run happily off moderate power as there sensitivity are 100 and 101db @ 1W 1M respectively. You can get the 12inch new for $400.

ICUH8N
21-11-2005, 07:06 AM
Yeah, Marty's that bloke on FHRX yeah? That shop seems unreal, I'll have to have a chat with him sometime. He's got some great products he can get in.

magnat
21-11-2005, 07:08 AM
Thats the Best thing you could possibly do, Marty will set you straight..
He can literally get anything you may need..

ICUH8N
21-11-2005, 07:15 AM
Except a 6000Watt RMS subwoofer for $500 :)

Mr İharisma
21-11-2005, 10:33 AM
He can get you anything but yeah it will cost you.

What amp do you plan to run this sub from? Or which amp do you wish to upgrade to in the near future. :D

ICUH8N
21-11-2005, 06:00 PM
I'd just run it off the 1800Watt amplifier I got now

ICUH8N
21-11-2005, 06:05 PM
There's always the option of using my custom false-floor I have in there at the moment, and make it into a box...ported and have 5 12" subwoofers (all the same one as I got now - Earthquake DB-12R 600Watt sub)...so that'd end up being 6 12" subs. It'd be a ****load louder and get me mad attention when I pull over and pretend to be fixing something in the boot with 100 people near me.

MitsiMonsta
21-11-2005, 06:24 PM
There's always the option of using my custom false-floor I have in there at the moment, and make it into a box...ported and have 5 12" subwoofers (all the same one as I got now - Earthquake DB-12R 600Watt sub)...so that'd end up being 6 12" subs. It'd be a ****load louder and get me mad attention when I pull over and pretend to be fixing something in the boot with 100 people near me.:nuts:
seriously....forget this idea.

Just because you mave more subs, does NOT it mean it will sound better. Inn fact it will probably sound worse due to wave cancellation and other nasties.

Yes, it would be loud, but why bother when 6 crap subs would cost the same as 2 quality subs (Diamond, Vibe, Hertz, FOCAL even!!) Hell, 1 of these would crap all over your 6 Earthquakes if you are talking SQ and be almost as loud with proper amplification. Plus, you'd save money on the cost of your amps (you'd need at LEAST 3 MASSIVE monoblocks for a 6-sub system) and you could get away with 2 medium monoblocks......plus you could actually have some boot space.

If you want loud, go for cone area.... go for a single 15 in a big SPL model..... JBL GTi's, Fusion Jonah Lomu's, Even one of the Digital Designs SPL 15's (tim... I have no idea on the model), Cerwin Vega! 18" stroker (mmmmn yeah baby, stroke me :drool: )..... there are heaps and heaps of options.

Seriously, 3x 12's would be enough.... if you wanted to do something different.
If you wanna go really crazy on multiple drivers, go for 10's and amp them so hard the cones go into orbit.

ICUH8N
21-11-2005, 06:39 PM
:nuts:
seriously....forget this idea.

Just because you mave more subs, does NOT it mean it will sound better. Inn fact it will probably sound worse due to wave cancellation and other nasties.

Yes, it would be loud, but why bother when 6 crap subs would cost the same as 2 quality subs (Diamond, Vibe, Hertz, FOCAL even!!) Hell, 1 of these would crap all over your 6 Earthquakes if you are talking SQ and be almost as loud with proper amplification. Plus, you'd save money on the cost of your amps (you'd need at LEAST 3 MASSIVE monoblocks for a 6-sub system) and you could get away with 2 medium monoblocks......plus you could actually have some boot space.

If you want loud, go for cone area.... go for a single 15 in a big SPL model..... JBL GTi's, Fusion Jonah Lomu's, Even one of the Digital Designs SPL 15's (tim... I have no idea on the model), Cerwin Vega! 18" stroker (mmmmn yeah baby, stroke me :drool: )..... there are heaps and heaps of options.

Seriously, 3x 12's would be enough.... if you wanted to do something different.
If you wanna go really crazy on multiple drivers, go for 10's and amp them so hard the cones go into orbit.

Yeah, I know the idea is crazy. I know the Earthquakes aren't SQ material, but they go hard and they sound somewhat decent to my ears. Sure I could go all out on some overpriced SQ subwoofer and think "heh, not very loud"..or I could easily go out and buy 1 big 15" SPL subwoofer and think "heh, quality sucks".

So my idea was more a joke thing really, but it's not 100% out of my head ;-)