seeing i have already forked out 300 bucks to get these extractors fixed i can't afford to get the pipes heat bent into shape. so i went to repco and got some loctite exhaust wrap. bought 2 packs and 1 was "supposed" to work better so i put that on the flange that leaks, and the other on the flange that might leak. well i started it up and no leak!!!! HUUURRAYY is said so i let the car warm up to temp so the glue could go off in the wrap and stop the leak. start revving in my driveway and no leak. Sounded so sweet, it's the first time i have heard it with no leak.

So off i go for the sorta thrash test, after like a 2 minute drive i get home and she's leaking again :evil: :evil: :evil:
Seeing it has a custom gasget in there because the one provided by RPW is too thin shitted itself the custom one has some sharp edges on it. So next wken i plan to flie down the gasget that is sticking out of the flange, get some putty and finger wipe around the flange and re wrap the exhaust wrap around the flange, and not thrash it for a few days.

Jason's $0.02 worth, get another mod before extractors, they're not fun when they **** up

is it posible to undo the flange take out the gasket put Exuast putty on either side of the gasket and put it back in and retighten it so the putty will expand and seal the joint.

that is possible but it will leak again because the pipes are the wrong shape and when both flanges are tightened up they want to pull apart, thats why i have to have them heat bent into shape cause they are stuffed. i guess thats the risk u take when buying something over the net. This is a cheap dodgy way that i hope will work

I'm sorry you having so much trouble, I hope you get it sorted out

Thanx mate, i just hope that other people that get rpw stuff don't go throught the same shit as i have, i am so over it, almost tempted to throw the stock pipes back in and live with the tinny non extractor sound

Whats the RPW guys have to say about it all TZABOY?

Whats the RPW guys have to say about it all TZABOY?
The rpw guys **cough** David **cough** said he would discount further purchases in an email which i have kept for proof. Problem is my total for fixing them has totalled at $347 and the flange is wrapped in an exhaust bandage to stop it leaking. Would of been better off putting the money under my bed for a rainy day. But $347 in discounts wouldn't go astray, new throttle body???

Man if I purchased extractors from RPW, which from what I have seen and hear I would not do anyway, and If I had these problems I would be on the first plane to Perth to Jam them up his extractor....

Man if I purchased extractors from RPW, which from what I have seen and hear I would not do anyway, and If I had these problems I would be on the first plane to Perth to Jam them up his extractor....
Very true,that's jus not on mate :evil:
They should fix it up 4 u cause u bought it orf em
now it would make me think twice about gettin anyfin like that,if ya have that many problems with it :evil:
Anyway man,goodluck and i hope u get ur extractors fixed up.
Jus such a waste orf money,unnecessarily :evil:

RPW dont seem to have a good rep :!: ...which is a shame :( there seem to be a lot of unhappy, or customer revisit's required...to get it right when it should have been perfect from day 1 :( :evil:

well, considering they're one of the only people developing stuff for magna's i dont see why you boys are giving them such a bagging!?!

true, they've had a couple of stuff ups... this extractor issue and MagnaV6sports' cams (not really RPW's fault but they're problem all the same), but hey, so does everybody, shit half the damn car manufacturers have that many problems!!!

as for perfect from day 1... what world do you live in??? since when has anything been perfect from day one?!?!?

Considering the amount of good stuff they do, and i don't think Dave has ever tried to stuff anyone around, and from all reports he has done his best to try and rectify the problem, am i wrong?!?!

Yes they do good stuff in development, no one here has denied that..

I guess you are just more pateint than me ? if i buy something, anything, I expect it to work 100% from day 1..if you are buying soddy goods, getting ripped off, and wasting your time going back and forth to get it right, with NO compenstation...your a rare breed..and best of luck to you :!: i expect a lot more :!:

I dont like getting ripped of, but hey, each to there own :D

If you buy shit yes, it will never be right from day 1...you get what you pay for...and I dont buy shit :!:

dont get me wrong (and maybe i read the negative comments a little to harshly).... i dont like getting ripped off, trust me, i will be the first one to be back getting it fixed!!

but after being in developing and building positions (electrical and PC gear) i know its hard to get it exactly right, especially when the machines you are developing for are not perfect themselves!!!

i'd hate to do Dave and Co's job, every car is different!!! unless you have a blue printed car, i'd doubt you're is perfect either!!

hence i give a little room for others in the same position... as long as they do there best to achieve a perfect result!

Sorry but having come from a business developing new things for a model of car and also from stories I have heard as well as what I have seen I would not touch RPW with a barge pole.
1 Nick, MagnaV6sports, has not only had cam issues but has also had extractor issues, they were touching a lower control arm member and he was told to grind this to make clearance??? We all know about the cam problems which yet are to be fixed.

2 another person with pressure reg problems, will not hold pressure after engine off, if parked with front pointing up hill the fuel drains back to the tank and is a prick to start. The Pressure reg was not made by RPW but was sold by them and should have been replaced. The fitting instructions that came with it were little more than a joke.

3, Yet another person who purchased a part recently, needed it urgently, was willing to make diret deposit or credit card over the phone that could have been authorised in 10 seconds thus securing the funds. RPW would only send COD post that due to the item being very heave added around $150.00 to the postage. As RPW were the only ones to have this part he had no choice.

These and other examples are good reasons to be wary. I would prefer to pay more or wait to find the item now after these stories. As for extractors, they are way over priced, are not made properly and everyone who has been game to get them have had issues.

As I stated, i used to be in the industry, if I came up with something new I would first test it on my own car or let a regular client test it for parts and labour free, if there were problems immediate repair with loan car was offered, if any other damage due to test all was fixed.

The real shame is that RPW has the potential to be a fantastic business, it is a pity it is not run this way. Also lets face it, modding a leased car, ie tt setup, that is asking for trouble as most leaseing companies would have a heart attack if they knew.

Hmmm, I'm not too pleased to read these comments regarding the quality of RPW merchandises.
See, I have an on going, yet to be resolved case with my HPC Race Tuned Headers. David has approached me once with positive attitude - but communication has halted since then.
If I am not receiving proper service for what I have paid, legal action against any retailer will commence. I do not waste my time with shonky dealers and wish to bring them back on Earth and get them to face their responsibilities.

I assume you guys are documenting everything, for future reference?

It's not a matter of cost. Even if you buy a 5-dollar item, it has to perform as what it was intended to do. Quality of fitting is also part of the items functionality. One cannot sell an item and then it does not fit the car, as we have in these cases. Total refund with reimbursed costs are quite common, once these kind of things are taken to court
Personally I wish to support RPW and their products, but only if they are of good quality.

This Forum is an excellent media to either promote or disgrace any retailer, not just RPW.
I hope the staff at RPW understands the importance of these matters and solve the problems accordingly.

Whats the problem with your Race Headers Killer?

Comes far too low towards the ground - approx 40 mm lower than standard manifold/flexi pipe. Therefore the front bend of flexi pipe touches ground - before the center tow hook does. Ouch.
You can guess the rest. Damage ain't pretty! Very poor design! :evil:
I would consider carefully purchasing it in this current form.
Note, that I got it months ago - perhaps it was a trial version and I was the guinea pig! Which makes me even more angry! :evil:

Otherwise a very efficient add to the exhaust system.
If David solves this to my satisfaction, I shall be promoting it to heaven. If not, then.... :evil:




Whats the problem with your Race Headers Killer?

Killer I assume by your first post that you got them from RPW.

Mate document everything and let David know you are doing that. If you record any conversation you must tell him first and he does have the right to decline having it recorded but document times of calls, back it up with phone bills and have every mail saved or if snail mail do it reg post with return receipt.

Good luck. Hopefully Dave will do the right thing and I can not see why he would not as when I have spoken to him myself he seems reasonable. Time will tell about the other issues though.

The prob of the pipes hanging low is also on my car, i thought i was the only 1. where the pipes join the cat, they hang down too far, making them the lowest point on the car. Mine are leaking cause the pipes joining the rear headers to the rest of the exhaust isn't shaped right. something so simple yet has caused so much shit!!! also the flanges wern't machined, they were buckled which cannot happen in shipping, only during manufactoring.

Quality control is what is needed, now

Again, a 100 dollar product being sold as researched top dollar items. After welding pipes to the flanges, inles you are using 20mm flange plate like I used to in the rotaries, you have to machine the flange.

I thought there was a test car for the TR and S?

That was me Mal

I didnt have quite as many problems as TZABOY...but I did have a gasket problem and a weld had cracked.

I'm still getting bogging down issues like I had before the weld was fixed and the gasket replaced..but not as bad.

The leak is fixed on mine as I can't hear that ghastly ticking noise anymore.

I haven't had the flanges checked and when it was repaired nothing was said about them. So I assume it's all safe now and the bogging is somewhere else, not caused by the extractors.

From RPW via Blake.

All via e-mails. Sufficient evidence nowadays.

Yeea, I'm a peace loving guy - but if I notice some one trying to do a Bodgy Brothers on me - my bad personality takes charge. :evil:
I do hope to solve this "in gentelman ways".


Killer I assume by your first post that you got them from RPW.

Mate document everything and let David know you are doing that.

Mine are otherwise very good, everything fitted ok and so on. Little bit of forcing when bolting-on was required, but like only 1-2 mm off, no big deal.
It's just the front bend which comes down too far and scrapes the ground. Already badly dented :(
As in, it was not properly measured/designed. Exhaust pipe should never be that low.
Are you going for refunding or what are your plans?


The prob of the pipes hanging low is also on my car, i thought i was the only 1. where the pipes join the cat, they hang down too far, making them the lowest point on the car. Mine are leaking cause the pipes joining the rear headers to the rest of the exhaust isn't shaped right. something so simple yet has caused so much shit!!! also the flanges wern't machined, they were buckled which cannot happen in shipping, only during manufactoring.

Quality control is what is needed, now

i'm a bit confused with the "race" headers (extractors) issue.... Dave in only the last week or two (oct 3rd) said that he was trialling the 'race' spec version on an AWD and then the FWD.... are we talking about different items here?

as for the price.... if RPW are too expensive then a lot of other places are worse... true on EBAY you can get rediculous prices but you also get what you pay for!!! i've bought enough stuff on there to know that its normally shit unless you know exactly what you're buying! (like a SONY PS2 'new' in box, and even then they left out the damn power cord!!!)

As for pacemakers....they're cheap, yes.... but i havent heard anything good about them yet!!! (this goes for more than just the parts for magna's as well)

for other models from other tuning houses, to get a decent set of extractors you're looking at at least $600 and that doesn't even included the flex pipe!!!

But if he's making simple mistakes like designing them too low, its not good... if this is a stuff up on the manufacturers part, then Dave, i hope you sort them out soon!!!

i'm a bit confused with the "race" headers (extractors) issue.... Dave in only the last week or two (oct 3rd) said that he was trialling the 'race' spec version on an AWD and then the FWD.... are we talking about different items here?

I also had the same impresison. Can this be cleared up? I've got faith in the design performance wise however hearing that they may hang low is of definate concern.

I'm also aware of TZA's and KB's issues. None of these things are actually fabricated by RPW. Correct me if I'm wrong but they were made near KB's place and these new ones are made in Perth. I'm not defending RPW and I'm not trying to pick on them. I've got patience for anyone willing to research and design stuff. QA has to be observed as it's their intellectual property and I hope they have only recently done the test fit with no clashes and accurate, easy fitment.

Not even the manufacturers get things right. The guy who I'll get my to install my brakes was saying that HSV's headers look great until you notice all the dings in them.

I'm also aware of TZA's and KB's issues. None of these things are actually fabricated by RPW. Correct me if I'm wrong but they were made near KB's place and these new ones are made in Perth. I'm not defending RPW and I'm not trying to pick on them. I've got patience for anyone willing to research and design stuff. QA has to be observed as it's their intellectual property and I hope they have only recently done the test fit with no clashes and accurate, easy fitment.

It's not about RPW products, its the quality control that comes in and out their door. A five minute check before packing of my extractors would of saved me over $300 in ****ing around to stop my car from leaking. you don't hear probs with RPW in house stuff its other products made outside their four walls that needs to be check before sent to unseuspecting buyers like myself

If i get arsed around again, there will be hell to pay, i cannot afford to waste money on fixing a "bolt on" item

Well, I bought mine via Blake of Aussie Magna and they were sold as Race Tuned Length Headers with HPC. Apparenlty it was one of the first ones - if not the first one. Cost ~ 800 bux. This was couple of months ago.
They produce great low end torque and high rev power. Except that now the bend is grunted in and obviously the flow is lesser.
RPW has not replied to my concerns any more, obviously we customers are not important any more, once they have got their money, so I have some plans.
If you wish to participate, send me message privately and we'll proceed. :evil:




[quote:c3f5cc40fa="dingo"]Dave in only the last week or two (oct 3rd) said that he was trialling the 'race' spec version on an AWD and then the FWD.... are we talking about different items here?
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BTW Killer, what car do you have?

-96 TE 3L 24V V6


BTW Killer, what car do you have?

And apart from them hanging low, you're really happy with them? Ever had your car dynoed? Did you only notice a gain across the whole rev range? No loss down low?

You're asking Killer to reveal his weapons????? :shock:

Ok, since you look like a decent dude. ;)
No dyno yet, but comparing performance to other vehicles (remembr 3L donk!) I'm guestimating 155-160 kW - don't kill ME if that's wrong :cry:
But - NSW dyno day approaching soon, I hope.
Your next q is: what other mods?
XForce dump, and big resonator. Excellent CAI, smooth tube, you see, with K&N panel.
Other modes are not power related.

Since it's not dynoed before/after, I cannot give you exact figures so I need to base my estimates on ass-feeling. But, I've been turning and burning wheels over 20 yrs, so I guess I have some knowledge....
Some 10-15 % more low rev torque, and it seems to carry through whole range. Totally satisfying performance result as such. I was very happy with it. And as a bonus, after I got the XForce can, there was VERY annoying resonance at 1800 RPM, which disappeared after the headers were bolted on.
To confirm, no loss, but gain on low (1500 RPM) area.

But, as we all now know, the low hanging is a big problem. But - Dave has approached me now, finally, and I have good trust in him rectifying this matter to mine and RPW's satisfaction. After all - it would not be beneficial for RPW to have ppl like me being dissatisfied with their products. Becasue I'm not stopping here with mods yet. Only bought the car 11 months ago.
8)


And apart from them hanging low, you're really happy with them? Ever had your car dynoed? Did you only notice a gain across the whole rev range? No loss down low?

Ok, since you look like a decent dude. ;)

Actually, I don't look as decent as I am. :lol:


But - NSW dyno day approaching soon, I hope.
Your next q is: what other mods?

Cool, that will be interesting. Any chance those mods will be done before the dyno day?


To confirm, no loss, but gain on low (1500 RPM) area.

That's good to hear. Everyone I've spoken to says there will be a loss down low and being the lesser torquier engine, I didn't wish to experience that. It's interesting that it's removed that resonance. Have you noticed any other changes to exhaust note or cabin noise?


But, as we all now know, the low hanging is a big problem. But - Dave has approached me now, finally, and I have good trust in him rectifying this matter to mine and RPW's satisfaction. After all - it would not be beneficial for RPW to have ppl like me being dissatisfied with their products. Becasue I'm not stopping here with mods yet. Only bought the car 11 months ago.

That's even better to hear. Before I started to do research, I was a bit of a sceptic of such mods so I decided I'd do stuff until I saw no gain or was burnt by something / someone. I must admit hearing some of the things being mentioned lately it sits in the back of my mind when I'm thinking of what's next. I can handle a product which isn't 100% but a lack of service is dissapointing. I know Dave's been busy with the TT Magna and other stuff and while it's no excuse, it is understandable.

Hi Redav

Church frequenter...?

Mmmh - further mods are depending on Mrs Killer, who prefers fingers and ears for breakfast. Took me 3 months to tell her about the headers - and then I got to spend 3 nights in the dog house, while he was in my bed.
Fair enuff, I reckon :oops:

As I said before, my quotes are not based on scientific tests, only "I feel like" kinda stuff, and yes, on low revs also there is significant improvement.
I don't know how the other headers look like, but these have pretty long primary pipes which enable better torque gain.
Disappearance of resonance sound is obvious due to improved, non fluttering (?) gas flows. Another power improvement. Good.

It produces a SICK scream on higher (4000+) revs. I mean SICK!
Love it! Most Dunnydoors back off and crap in their pants when they hear it. Well, not really, I just felt like adding that - sounds tuff. 8)
Lower revs, no much extra sounds.
I can understand the TT has been occupying David's mind lately - don't really blame him, but, I don't wanna be left out either.

Your approach is similar to mine, listen and look and then follow what can be done etc. I think I jumped bit too early with his mod and got in to trouble. Hopefully my situation leads in to improved designs in future.
I keep you posted what we are going to do.

Keep cruzin.

Church frequenter...?

Damn straight! Yourself?


...I got to spend 3 nights in the dog house, while he was in my bed.

Unlucky :lol:


It produces a SICK scream on higher (4000+) revs. I mean SICK!
Love it! Most Dunnydoors back off and crap in their pants when they hear it. Well, not really, I just felt like adding that - sounds tuff. 8)

Interesting, I reckon they would anyway. Probably waiting for it to blow up!


I can understand the TT has been occupying David's mind lately - don't really blame him, but, I don't wanna be left out either.

Agreed, mind you I'm a patient kinda guy who'll give someone the benefit of doubt.


Your approach is similar to mine, listen and look and then follow what can be done etc. I think I jumped bit too early with his mod and got in to trouble. Hopefully my situation leads in to improved designs in future.
I keep you posted what we are going to do.

Yeah, that's always a worry. As long as it gets sorted out. You think you see any benefit with the HPC? I'm still debating whether I'll get that. Yeah, I'd be keen to be kept in the loop.


Keep cruzin.

Always :)

Hmmmm.better not dig in to that, past is past....

[quote=Killer]Church frequenter...?
Damn straight! Yourself?


...I got to spend 3 nights in the dog house, while he was in my bed.
Unlucky :lol:
He was - Mrs snores loud :oops:


It produces a SICK scream on higher (4000+) revs. I mean SICK!
Love it! Most Dunnydoors back off and crap in their pants when they hear it. Well, not really, I just felt like adding that - sounds tuff. 8)

Interesting, I reckon they would anyway. Probably waiting for it to blow up!

Heyyyy - Magna never blows up.
I hope. But, seriously, it sounds very powerful and aggressive.


Your approach is similar to mine, listen and look and then follow what can be done etc. I think I jumped bit too early with his mod and got in to trouble. Hopefully my situation leads in to improved designs in future.
I keep you posted what we are going to do.

Yeah, that's always a worry. As long as it gets sorted out. You think you see any benefit with the HPC? I'm still debating whether I'll get that. Yeah, I'd be keen to be kept in the loop.

You mean HPC as a coat versus paint? Hmmm, they claim it's better but I have nothing to compare with, but it looks nice and shiny. Silvery.
Ppl tend to like the looks of it too. I decided to go all the way... greedyme

As soon as there is progress, you'll hear about it.