ok here the deal do you reckon that a RWD drive magna would be similar to a nissan cefiro i reckon so if a magna was to be RWD and atleast 500hp it would be a good drift battle i frequently think about this often it would be awsome i reckon some of my mates have mentioned a nissan RB motor goin into a magna thats a sick conversion i reckon but defenitly a RWD magna woudl give a ceffy a run for its money let us kno what you guys reckon

http://www.importbitz.com/images/cars/sold/cefiro.jpg

as it stands, ie stock to stock

RWD magna WILL get owned

think about it...

if a STOCK cefiro will beat a STOCK fwd magna, then putting the magna to RWD without changing the engine (hypothetically, its impossible) then you will suffer more drivetrain losses... beautiful traction, but slow as piss

**EDIT**

if you put some s**tty nissan motor into a mitsi... i will hurt you...

lol ****ty nissan engine...

why would u even bother converting a Magna to RWD?

I used to own a cefiro but it was far from stock... had an R33 GTR Rb26DETT in it and plenty of suspension mods (setup and owned by Ken Satoh the Japanese D1 driver).

U would be wasting ur time and money on doing up a magna... what would u do? bolt a turbo onto the standard 3 or 3.5? no thanks... u need engine bay room... u would be better off swapping the engine with a EVO engine if u were going to do an engine swap...

lol ****ty nissan engine...

why would u even bother converting a Magna to RWD?

I used to own a cefiro but it was far from stock... had an R33 GTR Rb26DETT in it and plenty of suspension mods (setup and owned by Ken Satoh the Japanese D1 driver).

U would be wasting ur time and money on doing up a magna... what would u do? bolt a turbo onto the standard 3 or 3.5? no thanks... u need engine bay room... u would be better off swapping the engine with a EVO engine if u were going to do an engine swap...


dude u ownd a ex ken satoh car jesus yer seiryu i wont put a nissan motor in a magna dude i hav be desing a rwd magna for ages i wanna get my plans into action if a magna was rwd i see the ceffy as its competitor for drift sake im talkin

well the cars arent competitors... u can set one up as well as the other but its the driver that makes it in drift.

couldnt u jsut get a AWD magna? that would be easier and less work for u to convert to RWD.

lol just saw that pic of the ceffy... i know the owner of that car

EDIT:: heres a few pics of my old cefiro

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/7732/size/big/ppuser/414
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5824/cat/500/ppuser/414

screw the jap motor, if you want power just slap in a nice 351 and get it supercharged!......now that will be a serious drifter

']screw the jap motor, if you want power just slap in a nice 351 and get it supercharged!......now that will be a serious drifter

yeah... if only power was the answer to everything... its drifting... it takes driving skill... this aint the spring nats burnout comp

yer drifting is drivin skill a 351 in magna hrmmmmmm nioce but a rwd magna is what im lookin at doin and i wanna drift it

that black ceffy ur name doesnt happen to be jaruas does it

yeah... if only power was the answer to everything... its drifting... it takes driving skill... this aint the spring nats burnout comp

yeah mate i know that but a nice big engine would surely give the "RWD" magna some power........if the C.A.P.A drift Ute can be properly drifted...and that has what 1800hp?...then im sure a magna properly done could be the ultimate drifter.......................................i know thats a bold statement......but its never been done before so whos to say what?

']yeah mate i know that but a nice big engine would surely give the "RWD" magna some power........if the C.A.P.A drift Ute can be properly drifted...and that has what 1800hp?...then im sure a magna properly done could be the ultimate drifter.......................................i know thats a bold statement......but its never been done before so whos to say what?


1800hp tripper try 1022hp

']yeah mate i know that but a nice big engine would surely give the "RWD" magna some power........if the C.A.P.A drift Ute can be properly drifted...and that has what 1800hp?...then im sure a magna properly done could be the ultimate drifter.......................................i know thats a bold statement......but its never been done before so whos to say what?

that actually proves my point... the guy who drives that ute (Robbie Bulger) isnt exactly what i would call a top drifter... plus around 100+k AUD was involved in making that car slide and its actually a LOT harder to drift it because of all the power.

by dropping such a heavy engine in a magna ur throwing the weight balance all over the place... u would need some major suspension mods to correct this other wise u would do what robbie does a lot and under steer... get no pre apex drift and just power over

yer drifting is drivin skill a 351 in magna hrmmmmmm nioce but a rwd magna is what im lookin at doin and i wanna drift it

that black ceffy ur name doesnt happen to be jaruas does it

Jairus is the guy i sold it to... not sure where the car is now seeing as he blew the big end bearing on the RB26 at round one and has been driving the Chasers Pink 180 and now the Gold PPG R33

Jairus is the guy i sold it to... not sure where the car is now seeing as he blew the big end bearing on the RB26 at round one and has been driving the Chasers Pink 180 and now the Gold PPG R33


yer thought i had seen it hav sat in it before at mallala its sweet

yep sure is... miss that car heaps but just couldnt afford to maintain the RB26DETT. Thats why i imported another R32... much cheaper to maintain

yep sure is... miss that car heaps but just couldnt afford to maintain the RB26DETT. Thats why i imported another R32... much cheaper to maintain


it looked mad comin off the corner onto the straight at mallala would smoke up for ages

well my car beats my mates RB20 cefiro with front mount and 9/10 psi boost.......... cefiro's r same weight and same engine as skylines basically r skylines just look diferent ....


most RB ceffy's dont come in manual though im told ... my mates has had the conversion.

and i dunno how u can say this car can beat that car in a drfit comp .... look at ( i think his name is joel) won mallala and AIR back to back weekends with a very small budget and a 4age S/c'd AE86 ......

only reason u need lots of power is to hold a drift longer .....u dont need a nuts car to be good

i think the dude your talking about maybe leyton fine is it yella

a magna RWD drive i see would be very similar to a cefiro try seacrhing specs on a cefiro its says all ceffy's are fwd does this mean peoples have had conversions done to make them RWD im pretty sure this is wrong but any help will be thanked

well my car beats my mates RB20 cefiro with front mount and 9/10 psi boost.......... cefiro's r same weight and same engine as skylines basically r skylines just look diferent ....


most RB ceffy's dont come in manual though im told ... my mates has had the conversion.

and i dunno how u can say this car can beat that car in a drfit comp .... look at ( i think his name is joel) won mallala and AIR back to back weekends with a very small budget and a 4age S/c'd AE86 ......

only reason u need lots of power is to hold a drift longer .....u dont need a nuts car to be good

i feel sorry for ur mate... he must either not know how to drive or has a dud if he cant beat a magna in a drag.

i had so many tools in magnas try drag me off at the lights in my old R32 which had an exhaust, 12psi and thats it... mainly VRX drivers with loud exhausts that sounded like theyre going fast but werent. that ran a flat 14.06 down the qtr at calder with major wheel spin issues, so if ya VRX can run 13s then fair enough u must have a turbo or a mutant, otherwise like i said it comes down to the driver.

Leighton Fine is one of the best drifters in Aus. That sprinter has a 4AGZE in it with some other nice mods and doesnt need huge power to drift much like the D1 Drivers who also use sprinters (half of them are NA with about 150HP)... power doesnt increase or help u hold drift either... speed and technique does... leighton can hold a slide as long as anyone with a 1000HP car because his car weighs a lot less and he can get upto the same speeds down a straight then the rest and he has the skill to do it.

Benny - no not all cefiros are FWD. From 1992 on theyre FWD (Basically a maxima). From 1988 - 1991 theyre all RWD or 4WD with anything from an RB20E (carbie) to RB20DET.

Leighton Fine is one of the best drifters in Aus. That sprinter has a 4AGZE in it with some other nice mods and doesnt need huge power to drift much like the D1 Drivers who also use sprinters (half of them are NA with about 150HP)... power doesnt increase or help u hold drift either... speed and technique does... leighton can hold a slide as long as anyone with a 1000HP car because his car weighs a lot less and he can get upto the same speeds down a straight then the rest and he has the skill to do it.[Quote]

Benny - no not all cefiros are FWD. From 1992 on theyre FWD (Basically a maxima). From 1988 - 1991 theyre all RWD or 4WD with anything from an RB20E (carbie) to RB20DET.

cheers for the info yer leighton fine is now running a turbo motor done by speed Flo and he hs sum graphics which looks kool but yer he defentially better then robbie bolger

i feel sorry for ur mate... he must either not know how to drive or has a dud if he cant beat a magna in a drag.

i had so many tools in magnas try drag me off at the lights in my old R32 which had an exhaust, 12psi and thats it...

Heheh exhaust and more boost is like increased displacment on an NA. I used to beat my mates R32 GTS-t manual which had a catback only every single time, I have a manual 3.0 TF magna witch also had a catback and thats it lol. We even swapped cars a couple times to see if it ws driver abillity and my car was still faster.

So stock r32 gts's arn't really that fast. He has since spent just over 5 grand in mods and now hands my ass on a plater without trying, but thats not the point :P You can't compare your modded turbo R32 to a magna with a muffler..lol apples and oranges :D

a standard magna has somerhing like 156at the fly a standard 32 and cefiro has something like 158 at the fly!!! what so hard to belive


my car has consitantly beat r32's and cefiro's at crusing SA dyno day that just had exhaust or slight extra boost .... there is nothing special bout a standard RB20! but when u mod them ill agree u get awsome gains ouy of them

i got 130 atws and the 3 other RB20's got 112, 115 and 117 atws, all on same dyno same day yadda yadda yadda, how ever there was a standard 31 with redtop ( i think) had 17psi with no front mount or nothing ( idiot) and got 175atws .....

Also look at what standard 32's 31's ( gtst's of course ) and cefiro's run down the 1/4 standard factory time ........ all magnazines list them in Low 15's with the 31 in high 15's

i do agree with u fully about a magna cant rewally keep up with a midded skyline, my mate just brought a near standard 33.... he but a FMIC on it flowed cat and a better flowed zortst a couple of other thing which i cant remember ... anyways to everyones surprise he pulled 170 atws on the dyno ... respect to the gains for sure!!

more boost? 12psi was what it ran std... i didnt have a controller on it... as soon as u add an exhaust it changes the flow.

R32s are 160kw at the fly... mine was 145kw at the wheels when i added a ECU and 13psi. without it it was 128kw at the rears and ran a 14.6.. WRXs run a mid 14 stock so i cant see a magna doing the same or similar time with a 5kw gain from an exhaust.

beating a mate in a drag on the streets is one thing... competing at a track is another. When you have some timeslips showing what you can do down a 400m stretch then i will believe it. But i know what a magna and a skyline can do in stock form as ive had both.

ive driven both to, and i have ALOT of friends who can back me up on it,

at the end of the day a standard 32 or cefiro just with zorst is nothing special.... if u look in the magna 1/4 registry ull see a bunch of 14.6's-14.9's in standard manual magnas

the pure fact of the matter is a near standard rb20 vs a 6g74 is pretty damned close .......make sure u look in the 1/4m registory cos that proves my arguement, however i completely agree with u spend a penny on a skyline and its a rocket, spend a grand on a magna and u have a whole 5 kws :P

stonesours right... ive done it myself... quite a few times...


im not to sure about the rex doing mid 14's stock... because i have no trouble getting them either..

off the line they jump out, but after that i pull past em...

:confused:

waste of time & effort if you want the honest truth....

oh and ppl can i just add ... dont slip any " oh another compairing thread" comments or sarcastic comments .....


its a healthy discussion bout magnas and ceffy's dont go and get this thread locked dammit :P

its a healthy discussion bout magnas and ceffy's dont go and get this thread locked dammit :P
how do you go against wrx's now that they've been thrown into the frey?

hmmm well the ones that always tried to race me seemed to struggle quite a lot... the ceffy was a 100% certainty but that was because people thought it was a hotted up maxima with a loud exhaust... but that was far from stock so it doesnt count.

honestly... if your serious Benny and want to get into drifting... spend the cash on a vehicle setup or easy to setup. 3 series BMWs are a great car if u want something different. E30s i believe were a 50/50 weight distribution...

my skyline landed today so should be here in a week... i will be setting it up over the next month for track work... its just so much cheaper then trying to set something like a Magna up.

BTW - if anyone in Melbournes interested the Grand Finale of the 05 season is on December 10-11th at Calder Park. Should be a good weekend for those interested in Drifting.

my skyline landed today so should be here in a week... i will be setting it up over the next month for track work... its just so much cheaper then trying to set something like a Magna up.

BTW - if anyone in Melbournes interested the Grand Finale of the 05 season is on December 10-11th at Calder Park. Should be a good weekend for those interested in Drifting.

Good luck with the skyline mate, and are you entering the drift comps, or you purlly seting it up for fast track times? :D

I went to the fist HPI Drift day at calder, thought it was a little lacking in the planning of the event. Hope the finals are better organised...so should be fun to watch :P

The HPI ones arent the same as the TOYO championships... they have the Jap D1 drivers on display most fo the time... not sure this year.

Will be setting it up for Drift and Sprints/Circuit days through our club (SAU VIC).
Im not really interested in drag as drag doesnt require as much skill and im not interested in being a dyno *****. I'll only set the car up for about 160-180rwkw to be competetive on the sprints... its a 4 door but will only be registered as a 2 seater due to the fact the rear has been gutted completely and will soon have a complex cage in it :)

most of my moneys going on cooling and stuff to keep the engine from dying in a week.

theres a spoonta for sale on NS for 6grand with a CA18DET ( i think) u would have seen it out at mallala drift practise days ... would be a greta car to start with i reckon...


and INARK .,.. i like 4 door skylines so much better, im still yet to see a stagea ripping it up :( i reckon it will happen as they get cheaper hehe but i think that would be kool

right... google didnt help me...


whats a spoonta pray tell... :confused:

pic?

i think he means Simons blue one... hes selling it for 6k?? that thing has about 20ks worth of mods. Not street legal or registered tho.

if it was Simons then its a turbo 4AGE.

so its not a "nissan spoonta" or something?

its a nickname?

kk, cheers man

spoonta = sprinter ie. AE86 Toyota Sprinter

spoonter = AE86 sprinter

yes ur right its a s/c 4age must have got the engine confused with another sprinter

and damn i just rechecked the F/s thread and he wants 12 ...........

i SWEAR i read a CA18det sprinter for sale somewhere eh maybe i was dreaming

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=125256 theres the link anyways

spoonter = AE86 sprinter

yes ur right its a s/c 4age must have got the engine confused with another sprinter

and damn i just rechecked the F/s thread and he wants 12 ...........

i SWEAR i read a CA18det sprinter for sale somewhere eh maybe i was dreaming

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=125256 theres the link anyways

thats Simon Michlemore... another great drifter...
its Turbod (hence the 4AGTE)... was an NA 4AGE
awesome car.

do u know the dude with the blue ceffy with the white pearl though it ? ... i think he just brought it then got defected and used it as a drifter at malala ... and now for sale again ......


that car is sex!! :D ... if i had my car next to a stabndard ceffy with the that factory kit some of them have .....id get in the ceffy and drive off in a heartbeat :D

The HPI ones arent the same as the TOYO championships... they have the Jap D1 drivers on display most fo the time... not sure this year.

Will be setting it up for Drift and Sprints/Circuit days through our club (SAU VIC).
Im not really interested in drag as drag doesnt require as much skill and im not interested in being a dyno *****. I'll only set the car up for about 160-180rwkw to be competetive on the sprints... its a 4 door but will only be registered as a 2 seater due to the fact the rear has been gutted completely and will soon have a complex cage in it :)

most of my moneys going on cooling and stuff to keep the engine from dying in a week.

Nice, my kind of car...have similar plan for the future, but money won't permit anything for a while. Good luck witht he car :P

do u know the dude with the blue ceffy with the white pearl though it ? ... i think he just brought it then got defected and used it as a drifter at malala ... and now for sale again ......


that car is sex!! :D ... if i had my car next to a stabndard ceffy with the that factory kit some of them have .....id get in the ceffy and drive off in a heartbeat :D

lol softy... hes actually the 2nd owner of that car... one of the guys here in vic imported it originally.

i liked mine better with the genuine URAS kit and deep dished 18s... looked so tough in black :)

yawn.....another magna vs. turbos thread

yawn.....another magna vs. turbos thread
fair call...

hrmmm...

i have more dish than you :P

:dancin: +1 Magna's :dancin:

yawn.....another magna vs. turbos thread


nothin good to say **** off

im very keen to put a magna rwd drive as i reckon it would have a good balance for drifting i have also wonderd about putting ceffy body kits onto a magna i know there would be sum choppin envoled im talkin about the URAS kit by the way

nothin good to say **** off

im very keen to put a magna rwd drive as i reckon it would have a good balance for drifting i have also wonderd about putting ceffy body kits onto a magna i know there would be sum choppin envoled im talkin about the URAS kit by the way

Same one that was on my old one... would look hot i reckon... might do a photochop and see :D

Same one that was on my old one... would look hot i reckon... might do a photochop and see :D


yer that one but leave the head lights the same but the kit and sum deep dish rims

nothin good to say **** off

:bowrofl: ouch

if you want to do a magna RWD well do it....i wouldnt ask people on these forums as all your gonna get is "what a waste of money" etc etc etc and ALWAYS end up being a magna vs turbo thread....so i dont know what your complaining about it was bound to happen

']if you want to do a magna RWD well do it....i wouldnt ask people on these forums as all your gonna get is "what a waste of money" etc etc etc and ALWAYS end up being a magna vs turbo thread....so i dont know what your complaining about it was bound to happen


give me a valid reason why it wont happen it is so possibal to make a magna rwd and im not talkin completly talkin about magna VS a turbo car just the fact do u relate a if a magna was to be RWD would it be simialr to a ceffy

give me a valid reason why it wont happen it is so possibal to make a magna rwd and im not talkin completly talkin about magna VS a turbo car just the fact do u relate a if a magna was to be RWD would it be simialr to a ceffy

mate i have no idea about thes cars (ceffys) so i cant offer my opinion......but im telling you DO the RWD conversion as i want to see it happen, something different, experiment as things happen, i actually want you to do this......im not trying to give you reasons not to..

']fair call...

hrmmm...

i have more dish than you :P

:dancin: +1 Magna's :dancin:
i have less doors than you :badgrin: :bowrofl:

']mate i have no idea about thes cars (ceffys) so i cant offer my opinion......but im telling you DO the RWD conversion as i want to see it happen, something different, experiment as things happen, i actually want you to do this......im not trying to give you reasons not to..


damm right im gona try it and use it for track and drift

ok bro all kool den

this thread was interesting until all the smart ass's got in on it

The logistics behind making a Magna RWD are about the same as some in this thread actually being able to speak english, or at least make a post that can be read :D

Again it comes down to comparing apples with apples, you are comparing a car that is not only RWD but was designed as one.

The dynamics of the rear end with suspension etc is totally different to that of a Magna, the balance will be different as will almost every aspect of the vehicle.

Sure, give me a TR and I will make it RWD, not to engineering standards that would be required to drive on a street, but it could be done with some work. It would still be a different car to the Nissan which has been built around the RWD spec

how much could you do a tr for mal???

lets make a race/drift car lol

how much could you do a tr for mal???

lets make a race/drift car lol
hell yeah...

im up for a project like that... :D

hell yer im already onto it my dads mate is a engineer so i can get it complianced already had heaps of designs going and im very keen to put them to use TR/TF/TH is the models i had in mind to do it with

hell yer im already onto it my dads mate is a engineer so i can get it complianced already had heaps of designs going and im very keen to put them to use TR/TF/TH is the models i had in mind to do it with
ask your dads mate what an engineers cert is worth :D

']ask your dads mate what an engineers cert is worth :D


why is it to much or a box of beer job :D

why is it to much or a box of beer job :D
if its a box of beer then im VERY interested

']if its a box of beer then im VERY interested

i will find out tonight cos my dad is always at the pub with him

hmmm.....convert magna to RWD or just buy a skyline,supra,xr6t,ss,300zx etc

i know what i'd be doin....


yes yes i know " **** off" lol i'm gone now

If I remember correctly, there where a few shells built by Mitsubishi with a larger tunnel to accommodate RWD running gear into them for the then proposed Future tourers class that never eventuated successfully.

They said it was rather easy to fit a big V8 into the Magna bodies and fit all the needed suspension components and so on. The only thing being these where never designed to be road registered, but I'm sure they wouldn't have been far off, as the cars where built for racing so they weren’t cheapo conversions. And the price of the bodies at the time where around $12,000 :P

If I find the article, I'll scan and post the info :D

i was thinking along the lines of a sheet metal tunnel with some real heavy duty welds just for safety

a VS supercar gearbox or a Supra 5spd
and a GTR diff the would be modified for the application or some sorta of LSD diff

look at the poll.. there is ur answer..:P

look at the poll.. there is ur answer..:P


maybe maybe not wait and see until i have done it then see what it is like

I for one would love to see you do this. If you are doing it to compete in motorsport then all the better. You will get a lot of negative comments if this is just speculation. Just do it and show us and I'm sure the majority of people will love it.

I for one would love to see you do this. If you are doing it to compete in motorsport then all the better. You will get a lot of negative comments if this is just speculation. Just do it and show us and I'm sure the majority of people will love it.


damm right im goin to show you all how its done good and proper jesus imagine the respect the first one to do it beside that show car magna i dont count that one cos its never used
and damm right im goin to use it like every day and sure i will get heckled but well S**T happens i will show them commo driving w@nkers how it is done

does any one reckon you could use a 2JZ turbo engine for a conversion cos supra gear boxes a bloddy strong that way you already have that bit sorted

damm right im goin to show you all how its done good and proper jesus imagine the respect the first one to do it beside that show car magna i dont count that one cos its never used
and damm right im goin to use it like every day and sure i will get heckled but well S**T happens i will show them commo driving w@nkers how it is done
Sorry but you wouldn't be the first one to do it, there's a white 1, Bond Roll Bars that competes in races, link : http://www.bondrollbars.com/sport.html.

Personally there's a difference between being "unique and different" to throwing money away, But what you have to decide is it really worth it to YOU.

yer but thats a V8 and that set could be similar to wat i want to do but havin trouble finding facts and specs on it

Personally there's a difference between being "unique and different" to throwing money away, But what you have to decide is it really worth it to YOU.


personally, spending money on cars either way unless its advertising/promo for your business is throwing away money :P

Sorry but you wouldn't be the first one to do it, there's a white 1, Bond Roll Bars that competes in races, link : http://www.bondrollbars.com/sport.html.

Personally there's a difference between being "unique and different" to throwing money away, But what you have to decide is it really worth it to YOU.
w00000000000t ITS A RALLIART FRONT BAR

kekekekeke

^_^

personally, spending money on cars either way unless its advertising/promo for your business is throwing away money :P


maybe thowing money away but its my choice sure it will cost S**T loads but oh well if can do it i can do it. I also plan for it to be daily driven and dont reckon a coversion would be that hard to actually just got to figure a way out which is what i have already done

now you only need one more thing....

a magna

']now you only need one more thing....

a magna

goin to see what the wrecker have as it might be a good car to mock everything up on good idea you reckon

I was thinking about this last night would a wagon be easier to convert as there would be perhaps (dont count me for this) more space to work with

so u intend on spending say 5 grand for a magna and an extra 20 grand for conversion for something that will never be street driven? ...

i dont think u realise how much this is gonna cost, and just how much custom work will need to be done,

if u wanna drift go buy a sprinter..

hell it would be cheaper if u buy an early wrx and convert it to RWD .

there is alot more to this sort of thing than u think