Just wondering what gas is in the TE magnas?
And can anyone recommend a place in perth (would like them to come out to me)?
Thanks

Yeh, Im also thinking about getting a Air-Con ReGas///

As people have said that, if the gas runs out the compressor will start chomping itself up....
I rather a ReGas than fix the compressor.

r134a is the gas
and no it wont hurt compressor if it runs out theres a pressure switch that will turn the system off when the gas gets low

Just wondering what gas is in the TE magnas?
And can anyone recommend a place in perth (would like them to come out to me)?
Thanks

I heard there is the Gull petrol station in Vic park that does this regas for $85.00 but then again maybe different on different cars.

Cheers!

pity u didnt live in brisbane..ill regas ur air con for next to nothing...


just be carefull with dodgy re-gas places..if ur air con loses its gas that mans there is a hole,that in turn means that air/moisture is in ur system which is a really bad thing for ur compressor.
so make sure when its re-gassed that they find ur leak and fix it and vacuum ur air con system out then regas it.

^^ hmmmm, interesting!

Now, Im wondering if there are any good places around here to get the job done!

I dont want a bodgey job done on my air-con......

Hek Brissy aint that far away from Sydney!

lol

How long does gas last for?
Just basically I have to turn the fan all the way up to cool the car, but in my gf's 121 I only have to turn the fan to 2 before i get a chill (and her car has no tinting)

How long does gas last for?
Just basically I have to turn the fan all the way up to cool the car, but in my gf's 121 I only have to turn the fan to 2 before i get a chill (and her car has no tinting)

the gas should never run out. . . .
i just had my car regased in osi park after i had my car smash repaired. . .
But i too have noticed that magnas have sh-t A/C's they dont cool the cabin very well even after a regas our TE/Th magna is the same too we always drive with the fan running fast its not soo bad when your driving long distans cos of the air flow and engine rev, but when your at the trafic lights the A/C just dont seem to cool all that well. . . . .
Iv been told that the Veradas are better though????????????

They rock in the TL/TW

can this be confirmed? You guys mean to say that the gas should stay in there forever and never goes out? Thats what it seems from what I am reading so far.

well i am guessing it's like a fridge, A fridge that is left on all the time works much longer than say a fridge that is turned on seasonally. Same as Car A/C more you use it better it is, if you dont use it it will just leak out i think

I have had a TH, several TJ's and a TL (new) and i wouldn't say the air con was good in any of them. Good air cons are in Ford's and Toyota's, not Mitsubishi's... Wonder why?

ok ill answer what i can

lol its funny listenign to ppl's thought about how air-con and fridge's work..dw its a really really complicated thing and the good thing about doign a trade no1 knows about is that u can rip them of...lol but i like u guys so i wont do that,,

Gas will never just 'Run Out"..the only time it will escape if there is a hole in the system.

air cons should be good from car to car..bnot really like honda is better than kia etc..my magna has surperb aircon.

your car air con will not get as cold when idleing because the compressor revs with the motor so at idle it wont be cooling as better as on the highway...ever noticed that on the high way u have ur air con turned down less than in the city..most ppl get this

a few hints try to run ur air cos for about 5mins a week if u can.some compressors has nylon valves and they will stick to their seats in the compressor if not lubricated.causing shat efficiancy...

anymore questions just post up

Use em in winter as well with the temp on hot, they do a magic job of defogging the whole car and it keeps em lubed.

Good post Jared :thumbsup:

Use em in winter as well with the temp on hot, they do a magic job of defogging the whole car and it keeps em lubed.

Good post Jared :thumbsup:

:stoopid:

Nothing better to de fog the car :D

yea that rite the only way a car will run out of gas is if there is a leak . . . .

it is said that the gas "can" run out if the A/C is not used enough there for the A/C should be used a min os 5mins each week to keep it all working. . . you should be using it more often any way just use the temp dial for a nice temp . . . . other wise what is the point in getting a car with ac in the fist place

the temp at the vent should be between 4 and 8 deg on fan speed 1 .....depending on how hot the day is......

tips
.....run ac in winter to defog windscreen
.....use fan on 4 on hot day to kool car with a window down when its cool turn down to 2
and window up
.....always put it on reculate to stop leaves and dust colecting on the evapourator
.....get regas and new dryer every 2 years
......if its a realy hot day hose the front of the car (condensor) before you drive


ac in your car is just like a fridge ......if you turned off the fridge every day and then back on it wont last long ....
car ac systems are allways getting turned on and off thats why they need regasing now and again

gas runs out when there is a leak......the system is under very high pressuers up to 400psi
the pipes are joined with orings....and the car is driven over bumps the motor shakes and so does the body this can cause pipes to leak and the fittings

some older cars had the ac system hooked to the reverse switch ......this is so the compressor was used regualy the oil in the system also helps seal the gas in so if its not being used often the orings get hard and leak......

hope this helps a little....

the temp at the vent should be between 4 and 8 deg on fan speed 1 .....depending on how hot the day is......

tips
.....run ac in winter to defog windscreen
.....use fan on 4 on hot day to kool car with a window down when its cool turn down to 2
and window up
.....always put it on reculate to stop leaves and dust colecting on the evapourator
.....get regas and new dryer every 2 years
......if its a realy hot day hose the front of the car (condensor) before you drive


ac in your car is just like a fridge ......if you turned off the fridge every day and then back on it wont last long ....
car ac systems are allways getting turned on and off thats why they need regasing now and again

gas runs out when there is a leak......the system is under very high pressuers up to 400psi
the pipes are joined with orings....and the car is driven over bumps the motor shakes and so does the body this can cause pipes to leak and the fittings

some older cars had the ac system hooked to the reverse switch ......this is so the compressor was used regualy the oil in the system also helps seal the gas in so if its not being used often the orings get hard and leak......

hope this helps a little....
So you are saying that you should get regas'ed every 2 years? If so, i haven't had mine regased ever. And i had the car for over 5 years

[QUOTE=magnus.....get regas and new dryer every 2 years
......if its a realy hot day hose the front of the car (condensor) before you drive


ac in your car is just like a fridge ......if you turned off the fridge every day and then back on it wont last long ....
car ac systems are allways getting turned on and off thats why they need regasing now and again
[/QUOTE]

this is wrong..
you will only need to change your drier if you open the ac pipes up.the drier catches moisture in the system.the gas will last for up to 30 years..sometimes longer...so changing every 2 years is bullshat..

hosing the condensor will help initially for about 2 mins.the condensor is always 13-15degrees above ambient temp so on a day in qld of about 27degreees(condensor temp of about40) this will most certainly just evaporate off the condensor within about 5mins..so doing that is pretty much wasting ur time

fridges do turn on and off every day..its called cycling..when the fridge hits its temp set point it will turn off.. so they do turn off about 20 times aday anyways probably more

[QUOTE=magnus.....get regas and new dryer every 2 years
......if its a realy hot day hose the front of the car (condensor) before you drive


ac in your car is just like a fridge ......if you turned off the fridge every day and then back on it wont last long ....
car ac systems are allways getting turned on and off thats why they need regasing now and again


this is wrong..
you will only need to change your drier if you open the ac pipes up.the drier catches moisture in the system.the gas will last for up to 30 years..sometimes longer...so changing every 2 years is bullshat..

hosing the condensor will help initially for about 2 mins.the condensor is always 13-15degrees above ambient temp so on a day in qld of about 27degreees(condensor temp of about40) this will most certainly just evaporate off the condensor within about 5mins..so doing that is pretty much wasting ur time

fridges do turn on and off every day..its called cycling..when the fridge hits its temp set point it will turn off.. so they do turn off about 20 times aday anyways probably more[/QUOTE]


its recomended by the manafacturer to change the dryer every 2 years as it also filters metal

hosing the condensor helps cool the car down on a hot day because it drops the pressures in the ac system ...when the pressures get too high the ac system will not cool as well thats why they have fans next time its a hot day and the cars been in the sun hose the condensor then drive with ac on the ac will cool quicker..

the air con in a car cycles too ....but a fridgs is allways keeping the air at a set temp a cars ac is not allways on

Interesting, I have some people telling me that even home aircons need to be regased. And In Singapore, aircon is being used nearly 24hrs! and everyone regas them! only cost $20.00 compared to Australia about $80-$100. Confused and not sure what is the truth. I only post the question because it sounds like the aircon will never need to be regased by the way some of you guys mentioned.

its recomended by the manafacturer to change the dryer every 2 years as it also filters metal

hosing the condensor helps cool the car down on a hot day because it drops the pressures in the ac system ...when the pressures get too high the ac system will not cool as well thats why they have fans next time its a hot day and the cars been in the sun hose the condensor then drive with ac on the ac will cool quicker..

the air con in a car cycles too ....but a fridgs is allways keeping the air at a set temp a cars ac is not allways on
ok mate u must be a genious so i will back down :doubt: ..im a refirgeration/air-con mechanic so quite obviously i dont know what im talking about :nuts: and u know everything

manuafacturer's say that it needs to be changed every 2 years to make money bud..the same way they are always carring on bout cars shoudl only use genuine parts.

and about hosing the condensor is initially right but about about 10mins on the road the water u just put on your condensor will be completely evaporated my engine/condensor and road heat..a complete waste of time and water..thats why the fans are there..the coils are designed to be air cooled??

finally i didnt say that a car air con doent cycle.fridge's dont always cycle on air temp btw.

well ive only been regasing and repairing car ac systems for 10 years i wouldnt know 5hit
only telling people what i know and have learnt ....
most driers that i replace if they been on a car for more than 2 years they freeze when you let the gas out...this is a indication that the drier needs replacing...

all i said about hosing the condensor is that it helps cool the car ???i didnt say it last for long

above all that house aircon isnt hitting pot holes at 100km/ph nore is the compressor getting reved at 6000rpm so its a little different.....

ok cool relax. I was just wondering the facts about the ac system. I probably still need to regas and check for leaks for my car then and see how it goes. Although the mechanic said that it appears pretty alright for my car though.

well ive only been regasing and repairing car ac systems for 10 years i wouldnt know 5hit
only telling people what i know and have learnt ....
most driers that i replace if they been on a car for more than 2 years they freeze when you let the gas out...this is a indication that the drier needs replacing...

all i said about hosing the condensor is that it helps cool the car ???i didnt say it last for long

above all that house aircon isnt hitting pot holes at 100km/ph nore is the compressor getting reved at 6000rpm so its a little different.....
are u qualified?
the drier will freeze up when u let the gas out because the refrigerant sitting in the bottom of the drier/filter is evaporating into the atmosphere at extreemly cold temps.

why would u even hose the cond coil then if it wont last for long...
and i didnt say the car air con is the same as a domestic air con so that statement makes no sence

yes i am qualified ???? driers freeze when the on the way out.........

yes i am qualified ???? driers freeze when the on the way out.........
u mean when they are full?

I'll settle this to-ing and fro-ing. I'm a refrigeration/aircon mechanic also and Jared you're right :thumbsup: and Magnus some of the things you have mentioned are a bit odd :nuts: . Also Magnus on one of your posts to this thread you mentioned 'when you let the gas out'. I hope you meant when you 'RECLAIM' the gas. Because as any qualified fridgy knows that if you are caught releasing refrigerant into the atmosphere not only will you incurr a massive fine but you will also lose your licence.........if you have one that is :naughty: .

Cool 2 air con mechanics on board here!

So basically, the refrigerant or gas, will basically last 30 odd years?

And the only way that the gas could evaporate or diminish is from leaks in the system?

Is there a way that you can tell if there are any leaks in the system? And also, is there a way that you could check the levels of gas within the system?

Just wondering....

There is a glass viewing thing in the engine bay that is "supose" to bubble when the gas is low?? They should ad colour to the gas so you can see it bubbling or not.
Im going to get my car regassed (I think it hasnt been re-gassed since off the showroom floor.

There is a glass viewing thing in the engine bay that is "supose" to bubble when the gas is low?? They should ad colour to the gas so you can see it bubbling or not.
Im going to get my car regassed (I think it hasnt been re-gassed since off the showroom floor.
it will bublle occasionally


Cool 2 air con mechanics on board here!

So basically, the refrigerant or gas, will basically last 30 odd years?

And the only way that the gas could evaporate or diminish is from leaks in the system?

Is there a way that you can tell if there are any leaks in the system? And also, is there a way that you could check the levels of gas within the system?

refrigerant isn't like an open bottle of soft drink and lose its fizz.refrigerant will not lose its refrigeration effect from just time and sitting there...i have personally seen refrigerators and air-cons over 30yrs still on their origional gas.havnt worked on a car air con older and about 10yrs old so cant speak for old cars but.

and yeah the only way gas can go is through a leak.
checking gas is done with pressures(u will need guages.. and for cars newer than 1990 a special car fitting)..u will know its not right to the normal person just if its not getting cold...


venting gas into the atmosphere on older cars (with refrigerant R12 i think..correct me if im wrong) is very very illegial..thats what contributes to ozone hole..venting R134a last time i chekced wasn't actually illegial but when i was aking the question it was in the process of being made illegial.either way venting refrigernt to the atmosphere is a sign of poor Workman ship..especially when u have a reclaim unit right beside u...


also on a more important note..be very very carefull with who u chose to get ur car aircon fixed by..So many "car aircon mechanics" arnt actually qualified..ask to c his/her licence before just to be safe..CAIRNS TJ will be able to back this up and like myself probably has a million stories about dodgy stuff unqualified ppl have done

Cool 2 air con mechanics on board here!

So basically, the refrigerant or gas, will basically last 30 odd years?

And the only way that the gas could evaporate or diminish is from leaks in the system?

Is there a way that you can tell if there are any leaks in the system? And also, is there a way that you could check the levels of gas within the system?

Just wondering....


I don't think there is any maximum life for a refigerant it just carries on changing it's state indefinatly whilst in the enclosed circuit of a system. As far as gas loss goes, in theory it's a sealed system so the gas shouldn't escape but as we all know theory and practise are rarely the same. There's all kinds of variables, leaking fittings, rubber hoses, dried seals. If you don't use your A/C regularly the compressor shaft seal will dry out as it's not being lubed by the oil which is held in suspension with the refrigerant and your A/C's performance will reduce. You may have a florecsent green dye in your R134a. They put that in it for easy leak detection. Otherwise the fridgy should reclaim the remianing gas and pressure test the system to find the leak. You can check the level of gas in your system although on some cars it's not very accessable. On the top of the dryer is (in most cases) a sight glass, although it's only a guide and for people who don't know, the sight glass can look empty when in fact it's full and vice versa. To check the refrigerant level accurately gauges need to be connected to the high and low sides of the system to analize the pressure/temp of the gas in the condenser and evaporator. So if your unsure of your systems performance or not happy with it take it to a licenced car fridgy (there is a specific licence just for cars) and get them to analize your system. But if you're happy with it's performance don't waste your money. That 2 yrly service they just reclaim the gas, pressurise the system to check for leaks, evacuate it and then put the same reclaimed gas back into it with a top up if required. Hope this helps.

Thanks for all the info guys!

Now, just want an opinion from you guys.

My car is nearing 10yrs old, would you guys suggest an air-con regas?

When I use my air-con, its definitely COLD. Nothing seems to be wrong in my amateur-ish eyes. So then, would an air-con regas be appropriate, seeing as my car is nearly 10yrs old?

What would you experts do?

if it is working fine.dont waste ur money...most ppl will tell u there is somehting wrong just to make ua buck off you anyway

remember the old saying..if it aint broke dont fix it

Ok then!

Thanks Jared and Cairns and all, for the great info!

My wallet will be breathing a sigh of relief now!

lol

Where my car takes 30 minutes to 1 hour driving to get 2 degrees cooler. So im thinking it is time to regas and check them pipes.

lol

Thats a good idea!

well my ac system wasnt working on my tl on sunday ive hooked up the guages today and the pressures are fine it was getting down to 14 deg ......so i let a little gas out (reclaimed) the bottom of the drier froze .....so ive reclaimed all the gas fitted new drier vac the system and regassed again the same gas went back in .....so tell me why its now down to 4deg at the vents???????

well my ac system wasnt working on my tl on sunday ive hooked up the guages today and the pressures are fine it was getting down to 14 deg ......so i let a little gas out (reclaimed) the bottom of the drier froze .....so ive reclaimed all the gas fitted new drier vac the system and regassed again the same gas went back in .....so tell me why its now down to 4deg at the vents???????


how can ur pressures be fine when ur car aircon wont work?any refrigeration mechanic worth his salt would know that u cant tell anything regarding pressures with out it working(only if its got some gas in it or its totally empty...)

maybe u didnt have the button turned on in the car? :doubt:

but ur an car air con mechanic apparently so why are u asking us?

you think your an expert i thought you could tell me ...hi pressure was between 150 and 200
low was above 0 less than 100 ......the system was cylcing wasnt cold replaced filter now it is ....ive come across this problem many times its not in books they dont teach it its something ive learnt and worked out simple.....if drier frezzes when gas is let out its time to replace it...ive been regasing and diagnosing ac problems for about 9 years learnt from different mechanics and learnt myself.....

the car is an 03 model so its 2 years old hmmm time for ac filter thats why they recomend replacing them every 2 years.....

r12 was a better gas to use and it lasted longer it ran at lower pressures and got cold but it stuffs the atmosphere... r134a is the new gas it runs higher pressures >>>causing leaks ....but does not harm the atmosphere ( so they tell anyways)

the best thing to use to get ac system working well is lpg but if you get a leak ((((((BOOM))))) they were gasing cars with lpg in victoria for a little while till an evapourator had a leak and the driver smelt lpg then the work shop got busted.....

hey ben can u re-gas aircons at work?.. if so can u swing me a PM on how much it is and ill try and pop down to get it done...mine sucks and theres DEFINETLY something wrong with it

you think your an expert i thought you could tell me ...hi pressure was between 150 and 200
low was above 0 less than 100 ......the system was cylcing wasnt cold replaced filter now it is ....ive come across this problem many times its not in books they dont teach it its something ive learnt and worked out simple.....if drier frezzes when gas is let out its time to replace it...ive been regasing and diagnosing ac problems for about 9 years learnt from different mechanics and learnt myself.....

the car is an 03 model so its 2 years old hmmm time for ac filter thats why they recomend replacing them every 2 years.....

the best thing to use to get ac system working well is lpg but if you get a leak ((((((BOOM))))) they were gasing cars with lpg in victoria for a little while till an evapourator had a leak and the driver smelt lpg then the work shop got busted.....

i dont think im an expert.i was rectifing some of the things u were telling ppl as they were sceptical(spelling).

h

hey guys relax, it was something I just wanted to know. Lets just go back to topic on strictly air-con as we do not need extra pressure on who is really right or wrong. Keep it friendly guys.

Cheers!

Can anyone recommend a a/c regas joint in the gold coast?