I've been reading about the model changes and want to know how I can identify the model that got the same motor as the sports version - i.e. cam ECU revision, but otherwise only muffler makes the 8 kw diff to Sports?

I know series 2 TJ starts Jul 02 - what about the running change in late '01? Mitsubishi head office confirmed to me changes effective from Aug '01 which was 155kw and 5.x% increase in torque - but the Mitsu CSO couldn't confirm anything about ECU/cams - basically is the series 1 155kW/316nm 3.5L mtr the one I'm looking for?

Redbook article notes the following which would tell me it was the one I want: climate control, map & glovebox lights, elect aerial but otherwise known as "TJ series 1" between Aug 01 - Jule 02.

i think the only car that got beefier cams was the ralliart...

the 155kw motor didnt start until feb-march 2002. With the 155kw motor, it is only the muffler that makes the gain of 8kw to 163kw.

]the 155kw motor didnt start until feb-march 2002. With the 155kw motor, it is only the muffler that makes the gain of 8kw to 163kw.

Hmm, this contradicts what I was advised direct from Mitsubishi today on their 1300 13 12 11 number. That was: Aug 01 there were production changes to Magna model specifically 155kw and 5% increase in torque.

How do I identify the 155kw vehicles? (apart from TJ series 2 identified models)

i know it contradicts what mitsubishi says. Mitsubishi has contradicted themselves on that. The only way i know of identifying the 155kw models is that the 155kw executive also had a few other changes to it such as ABS standard and an electric aerial.

I actually have had words with mitsu a few times when i was looking into getting my car. According to them, the 155kw motor and other changes were incorporated from febuary 2002.

Well, I think it's the early TJ's that had 147 or 150kW which had the superceded cams in it. I also heard that the cams were too lumpy, (according to marketing people), and removed from the Ralliart version - no idea if this is true, (doubt it).

If they did remove the cams from the RalliArt for the lumpy reason.. then what did they do to get to the 180kW mark?

SuFz :evil:

Extractors and some other bits and pieces. Yeah, I don't think it adds up. It's a noticeable increase in torque. They were whinging it was too lumpy at idle. This is what happens when you've got marketing running the show.

Yer would be good if it was lumpy :lol:

The Ralliart most definately have diferent cams in them, they are not so a high a profile to cause a lump in idle, they if looking a RPW's cams fall inbetween the stage 1 and 2 sort of a 1.5

The Ralliart most definately have diferent cams in them, they are not so a high a profile to cause a lump in idle, they if looking a RPW's cams fall inbetween the stage 1 and 2 sort of a 1.5

is that the only other difference between the vrx and the ralliart engine wise ?

According to drive.com.au the series 1 TJ's finished up in August 2001? :?

According to drive.com.au the series 1 TJ's finished up in August 2001? :?

Yeah, another reference is an article on www.rebbook.goauto.com.au/
"More Power, better economy and improved safety from Maga update"

Dated Sept '01 it says "Mitsu has quietly updated its Magna/Verda range"
this corresponds with Mitsu head office advising me production changes in Aug '01.

Power tweak 155kw (from 150), 316Nm (300)
Exec got ABS, pwr wind.

Advance/Sports & VR-X got: climate control, front map & glovebox lamps, pwr antenna, two additional spkrs (total 6)

Advance should be easy to identify, but many early Execs got pwr wind thrown in as deal or factory specials I'm lead to believe.

bit off topic but can any1 list the exact differences between the series 2 tj and the ralli art?

this would be the proper address

http://www.redbook.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story/E448F27DDB133533CA256ABC0027CF1D?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,magna%20update

yep, the TJ's went from 150kW,300Nm, to 155kW(315Nm) (supposedly from a ECU and slight cam work..) for the TJ2,

the extra 8kW for the sports etc is purely muffler!!

the interior gear for Tj's will be a mistery as ppl will have optioned all sorts of different shit! who cares!! it doesn't make a rats arse difference to how fast they go or how they handle!!! (unless the accessory is particularly heavy!! for those who want to be picky )

the Ralliart (compared to TJ2) definately has revised cams, strengthened valves, CR raised to 9.4:1 (from 9.0:1, which means some head or piston work), and ECU mods to suit...

the gearbox (auto) got a remapping to suit more power and give a sportier feel, and the manual got a LSD (the only one in the whole magna range!!)

and then a shit load of other no engine things like suspension, interior, bodykit etc

Mine is an October 2001 TJ Exec with the 155kW donk, but Mitsu have confirmed with me that mine was actually optioned down from power to good ole fashioned wind it yourself style windows. Tight-ass company car people. They kept ABS and cruise though.

Mine is an October 2001 TJ Exec with the 155kW donk, but Mitsu have confirmed with me that mine was actually optioned down from power to good ole fashioned wind it yourself style windows. Tight-ass company car people. They kept ABS and cruise though.

Well, that was rude. Sounds like something our company would do.

According to Motor Mag, the Ralliart also got some headers.

>Mine is an October 2001 TJ Exec with the 155kW donk, but Mitsu have >confirmed with me that mine was actually optioned down from power to >good ole fashioned wind it yourself style windows. Tight-ass company >car people. They kept ABS and cruise though.

Yep - same here, Dec 2001, 155Kw engine, manual windows, with ABS and cruise...

Add the sports muffler for an extra 8Kw, and go faster than a sports (due to less weight) :o)

Mine is an October 2001 TJ Exec with the 155kW donk, but Mitsu have confirmed with me that mine was actually optioned down from power to good ole fashioned wind it yourself style windows. Tight-ass company car people. They kept ABS and cruise though.




how the **** do u use this thing ....anyway ive got a tj exec build date 11,o1 its got 155kw im sure but has no power windows no,no cruise control,no electric aerial, nothing only mirrors, bastards. :evil: :?: :?:

Extractors and some other bits and pieces. Yeah, I don't think it adds up. It's a noticeable increase in torque. They were whinging it was too lumpy at idle. This is what happens when you've got marketing running the show.

who gives a rat ass if it is to lumpy just letting that 5 litre common***** u mean businnes more lump the better now were did i put them stage 3 cams :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I mean we are talking the ralliart version here, is'nt lumpy cams sort of expected mitsubishi??? :shock:

I'd have thought so. Seems their engineering department has brains and the brawn to come up with the Ralliart and AWD models but lack the balls when it comes to standing up to marketing and lacks the brains to include a budget for marketing when the Ralliart came out.

I'd have thought so. Seems their engineering department has brains and the brawn to come up with the Ralliart and AWD models but lack the balls when it comes to standing up to marketing and lacks the brains to include a budget for marketing when the Ralliart came out.

Actually, the fight between engineering and marketing kind of reminds me when the EF Falcon came out. Engineering just got the settings right, and marketing ordered adjustments to "improve ride quality". We all know what that resulted in.

I mean we are talking the ralliart version here, is'nt lumpy cams sort of expected mitsubishi??? :shock:

Hi, Ralliart doe not need lumpy cams, good engineering includes refinement, besides, the ralliart go's real hard without them

Hi, Ralliart doe not need lumpy cams, good engineering includes refinement, besides, the ralliart go's real hard without them

Well, that was one of the upgrades that the Ralliart received. They aren't lumpy cams, they'd be more agressive than stock.

The only real thigns the ralliart got was as follows

(A) Increased compression pistons from 9.0 : 1 increased to 9.5 : 1

Which is a shame as we have 10.0 and 10.5 : 1 pistons already available for the car which I know fit no problems and would have made a better improvement :roll:

(B) The manifolds were used off the USA model with cat converters because they were slightly longer and they fitted two of them to teh magna's, called them headers and then made the same crappy flex pipe design as standard. Its like improving the breathing on one end and restricting it on the other.

(C) The heads had teh valve springs ceramic coated I beleive and the camshafts were the same stock cams but with 10% more lift and no increased duration. They are equivelent to maybe a stage 0.5 improved when compared to our aftermarket stage 1 camshaft profiles.

(D) The ECU was tweaked to allow for those changes and that was pretty much it on teh engine only.

Tehre were of course other improvements like the LSD, larger brakes and improved handling.

Overall its still a great car but they could have done so much with it. But the main thing is all those same mods can be done aftermarket to a better degree withot losing any driveability and not limiting yourself like the people did at mitsubishi.

I think it was a classic case of marketing V production V bean counters.

Mitsiman said
I beleive and the camshafts were the same stock cams but with 10% more lift and no increased duration.

Got a download of that manual from Hayden over the weekend and the first thing I was interested in was difference between the stock engine V ralliart being a specs nut.
Only to find bugger all difference, the duration is the same and so is the inlet and exhuast timing which suprised the shit out of me I really would have thought they were different. It does mention the 9.4:1 compression ratio.

It appears the only difference is the lift which isn't really cover in the specs.

...and the camshafts were the same stock cams but with 10% more lift and no increased duration. They are equivelent to maybe a stage 0.5 improved when compared to our aftermarket stage 1 camshaft profiles.

Yeah, I think that's what funky_fresian_cows mate was saying.