I have just found another place for speakers in the rear doors of my TR, so i filled them.....
my question is, including ANY THING with a magnet, 22 speakers too many?
Front Doors, 1 pair clarion splits, (4 speakers)
Rear doors, 1 pair clarion 2 way 4" and a pair of 3/4" clarion tweeters (6 speakers)
Rear deck, 1 pair Clarion 6x9 3 ways (6 speakers)
Boot, 1 pair Kenwood 12" subs, 1 pair pioneer 4" 2 ways (4 speakers)

i Think im going deaf, might fit some more speakers.....

i also have 2, 4 channel amps and a monoblock.

Your Sound stage is gonna be ruined...

I would go no more then 14 speakers in total.

i acually put in the rear door speakers to move the sound stage down a bit in the rear.

When something goes poof and the car rolls silently to a halt, thats too many :bowrofl:

No offence, im sure people are amazed how many you have and your treble will boom out at over 150db but yeah. You should have saved your money for better quality. 7 or 8 speakers will kill your set up ( 3 way front stage + 1 or 2 subs ). I would be happy with a high quality 5 speaker set up ( 2 way components + sub... say Boston Pro 60's + G5 ).

You still have a long way to go to match my Very First Sound System when I was a Car Audio Noob and Knew nothing about Ohmage or Wattage...We all started somewhere....

I had a 1976 Holden Gemini sedan and used 15 , 1 Inch PC speakers, you know for computers
I had Made the Door Skins from 5 mm MDF, cut little Holes for the speakers to go into.
Secured them in


Wired them alll up so Each one got a Seperate + and - off Two main wires and I made a Custom Shelf to hold two Pioneer 2-way 6x9's ( the Gold cone ones back in 1996. All wired up to a 4x7 W Tape Deck as CD players were still way out of my Price range..
So I had a Total of 32 speakers all up... The Front stage was Very Bright but Muddy...

Needless to say that each of the PC speakers were 3 Watts and 0.25 Ohm
the 6x9's I cannot remember but they sounded unreal, Nice Treble and Deep Bass

The Head unit lasted a Suprising 2-months before Going POP !!!

By that time I had saved enough money to buy a 4x25Watt head unit and a set of Pioneer 4inch 2-ways so with new Door skins I made up I installed them and it was the Best sounding Basic System I ever Built...Its not the Amount of speakers you have, it is the Quality that matters....

I have just found another place for speakers in the rear doors of my TR, so i filled them.....
my question is, including ANY THING with a magnet, 22 speakers too many?
Front Doors, 1 pair clarion splits, (4 speakers)
Rear doors, 1 pair clarion 2 way 4" and a pair of 3/4" clarion tweeters (6 speakers)
Rear deck, 1 pair Clarion 6x9 3 ways (6 speakers)
Boot, 1 pair Kenwood 12" subs, 1 pair pioneer 4" 2 ways (4 speakers)

i Think im going deaf, might fit some more speakers.....

i also have 2, 4 channel amps and a monoblock.

i would say yeah you have 2 many, but if you like it, why are you worried?
you seem to get a good SPL so meh i wouldnt care, i would personally LOVE to have that many speakers in my car but i think 2 pairs of speakers and 2 subs will be enough.

and LMAo magnat tell then your bucket + sub story

Thanks Tuff, I also Pioneered with the first 10 inch Subwoofer a Tornado 10 inch sub $27 from Strathfield, Installed into a Plastic Bucket... Ahh the Memories..
( Remember this is a long time ago when I was still at School Nearly 11 Years ago)

The 10 inch sub was also powered off the Head unit.. The Plastic Bucket was a great enclosure at low volumes allowed the sub to play quite Deep but if I turned up the Volume it Flexed so hard.. One day in a School carpark sound off I cranked it and Broke the bottom of the bucket off with the flex...I won the sound off but ruined a Bucket...

The Amount of money wasted on Cheap quality gear could have bought me a Premuim sound system but I prefered to be Different and more creative LOL !! but it was a Contest between my Best friend and I as to how many, How Bizzare and How creative we could be on only the Allowance our Parents had to give us...

He would get a Cd stacker, I would get an Indash , I would get a Pair of 6x9's he would get 2-pairs..
A male Contest....We were the only ones in High school that had Really bad Cars but Awesome sound systems....
He had a 1974 VW Passat and I had the Gemini, Everyone else either had XD Falcons or VB Commodores or Old School Corrola's
Basically what ever Car Mum or Dad Handed Down to us... ( My Gemini was the Worst, it was Cream in Color and had a 3-speed Auto, forget 0-100, lets count our Blesssings if it got to 85k's in the time it took to Have a Mars bar)

and LMAo magnat tell then your bucket + sub story

lol Is it anything like my friends shoebox and 6x9 story.

We went through that aswell , Mounting Speakers into Shoe Box's
We would make up enclosures out of Shoe box's so when ever we got mum and Dads car we would connect them up to the rear speakers for Added sound...

Shoebox enclosures are shockingly common these days.

How many speakers is too many? Depends on location, distance from each to the listeners ears (and that's diffeent for each seating position) and relative power between the speakers.

The main problem with more speakers is that you are going to have soundwave cancellation issues, which is why Magnat has muddy sound from all those speakers. The waves interact with each other and usually tend to sound muddy as they interfere.

It can be done (if you are familiar with PA line arrays, that is one example) but most times this sort of thing is done, there is a delay between each speaker to combat these cancellation issues which requires separate amp channels for each delay etc etc. There is also a heap of rack processors that make these line arrays possible.

Best to put the cost of those extra speakers into a single pair of higher quality drivers, or adding an extra mid-bass to your front stage (only use one tweeter, or run the second tweet up high as an ambient - ie only at 10-20% volume).

If you do not understand, PM s_tim_ulate or myself.

Front Doors, 1 pair clarion splits, (4 speakers)
Rear doors, 1 pair clarion 2 way 4" and a pair of 3/4" clarion tweeters (6 speakers)
Rear deck, 1 pair Clarion 6x9 3 ways (6 speakers)
Boot, 1 pair Kenwood 12" subs, 1 pair pioneer 4" 2 ways (4 speakers)


Oh, and I forgot, you are adding up your 'speakers' wrong.

A set of splits can be classed as 4 speakers, but coaxials are one unit, so they would be only two, hence:
Front Doors, 1 pair clarion splits, (4 speakers)
Rear doors, 1 pair clarion 2 way 4" and a pair of 3/4" clarion tweeters (4 speakers)
Rear deck, 1 pair Clarion 6x9 3 ways (2 speakers)
Boot, 1 pair Kenwood 12" subs, 1 pair pioneer 4" 2 ways (4 speakers)

I only make that 14 speakers. You can generally discount the 4 inch coaxials in the boot, they are only for the dead bodies, or when you hit the music with the boot open, the guys standing around can hear something other than just bass, so they are for 'Pose' factor only.

If the rear doors speakers are angled up and back somewhat, it shouldn't have that big an effect on the front stage, which is good. The rear passengers may get some interference from the front speakers however.

Id run them in these percentages:
Front: 100% (duh)
Rear doors: 60%
6x9's: 30& to no more than 40%
Boot 4" 2 ways: not that it really matters, but probably the same as the rear doors - about 60%. 4" speakers aren't the best at handling alot of power either, so best to underpower them a bit.

why is it that splits are classed as 4, when there is visually 2 drivers? (i.e. woofer and tweeter?)
and why is it that 6*9's are classed as one? i thought if its 3 way means that its 3 speakers?


oh btw, i only count each speaker as a speaker, i dont go saying i got 15 speakers in my car and never have, just interested in that little dillemma

Splits are counted seperately as the speakers are on a seperate Axis to each other where as a Coaxial is counted as one due to all components being on one axis, I know, try and tell Mistubishi that !!

Count the Actual speakers in a Ralliart !!

why exactly are there 4" speakers in the boot? not only are 4" speakers **** (i have them just to replace the stock front ones, as i cant do anything else with that space) but i sure as hell wouldnt have them there to 'show off' if i had a decent boot setup!! maybe 6", maybe 6x9s, but cmon, 4"?! :shock: $30 worth of speakers that are not gonna be heard, cant b cranked very loud, dont add to the low bass/high treble, ummm wat else?! :rant:

sorry, guess i just put that alongside cf wings on a street car as far as usability goes...

As I said before Spackbace......


You can generally discount the 4 inch coaxials in the boot, they are only for the dead bodies, or when you hit the music with the boot open, the guys standing around can hear something other than just bass, so they are for 'Pose' factor only.


So yeah, fairly useless when driving. Good for posing. Rice-Mod....

this is just a brag at how many speakers you have,

go spend the money on a decent set of splits and a decent sub and you will be amazed at how much better it sounds and quit the iv got more than you mentality i hear it enough every other day, bragging rights mean nothing on the net

One day when your wiser about the whole car audio thing, youll look back on this setup and laugh and think to yourself "What the **** was I thinking"

One day when your wiser about the whole car audio thing, youll look back on this setup and laugh and think to yourself "What the **** was I thinking"
Amen brother, Amen.

He didnt add them up wrong as he is counting anything with a magnet so yeah even a 3way coaxial will have 3 magnets.

Cant blame a brother from having 4inch bling in the boot!!

My 1st system ran a Cassette deck with alpine stacker via FM moduator, stock 15W dual cone crap 6inchers ( thanks Eurovox ), Sony 6x9's 3 way in the rear ( still have them after 3 or 4years and going strong ), Boss BA1000 4ch "1000 fully sick watt" amp, unknown 12inch sub in a ported 2.1cuft box tuned to 25Hz. That sounded fully sick!!!! :bowrofl:

Now it is a different story though. :D

Some of the best setups have a set of two way splits and a sub.

i think i too may be leaning to the darkside of too many speakers...


Clarion 4-Way Splits (In custom pods, front doors)
Cerwin Vega 2-Way Splits (on custom rear shelf)
4 Orion P Series 10" DVC Subs (in boot => DUH! <= )
and just for the wank factor, im considering another set of clarion coaxils in the boot.

as far as powering all this is concerned...


1x Calibre Monoblock (1200wrms @ 4ohm)
2x Clarion 4ch (4x 100wrms @ 4ohm)
all this running off of my JVC deck, which im thinking will become a clarion dvd player with visor & headrest mounted screens.



ahhhh the beauty of working at autobarn =P

Zach

ooooo....ahhhhh.....id love to work at autobarn, its like supercheaps upper market half :)

i was thinking of using my old 6*9s in the boot for wanker factor powered of the HU.....dont really know if its worth it though...

Those Caliber mono's are rated at 1250WRMS @ 1ohm :D Very good for the $$$

I have seen Autobarn "stocktake" specials.. they are very very cheap if you know someone lol

More then 5 is just a waste of space, time and money.

1 sub
2 front splits
2 rears
1 center

theres no need for more speakers, you dont have 24 ears.

Those Caliber mono's are rated at 1250WRMS @ 1ohm :D Very good for the $$$

there are 3 monoblocks in the range, the 1250wrms @ 1ohm is the smallest.... i have the biggest one =P the other is 1200wrms @ 2ohm =)

why exactly are there 4" speakers in the boot? not only are 4" speakers **** (i have them just to replace the stock front ones, as i cant do anything else with that space) but i sure as hell wouldnt have them there to 'show off' if i had a decent boot setup!! maybe 6", maybe 6x9s, but cmon, 4"?! :shock: $30 worth of speakers that are not gonna be heard, cant b cranked very loud, dont add to the low bass/high treble, ummm wat else?! :rant:

sorry, guess i just put that alongside cf wings on a street car as far as usability goes...

the boot speakers are Pioneer TS-E Series 4" Co-Ax, about $180. Very good power handleing, especially on a high pass filter.

Almost avery peson i know, says my sterio is the clearest and louest they have ever seen (or heard)

there are 3 monoblocks in the range, the 1250wrms @ 1ohm is the smallest.... i have the biggest one =P the other is 1200wrms @ 2ohm =)

Thats right he he sorry, very nice though. :D

i acually put in the rear door speakers to move the sound stage down a bit in the rear.
You want your sound stage as high as possible. Preferably head height.

More speakers does not mean better sound in anyway. If you spent all your money and got a single pair of high end splits and a high end sub with some clean power to run it all you would be much better off.

More speakers blurs your image, to the point where your system will not stage at all.

If you are out to make a show car then fine, but for any practical purposes saying you have x no of speakers proves nothing at all.

I dont even run rears :p

Peace

Tim

theres no need for more speakers, you dont have 24 ears.
what if u were a mutant fish with 3 eyes tho? and u had 24 ears?

theres no need for more speakers, you dont have 24 ears.

So what's the point of 5.1 surrond sound? You don't have 6 ears? :-)
...jokes mate ;-)

This is where most people get the urge to put lots of speakers in I think. If you have a surround sound decoder then its a totally different story but for the 99% of people who dont have one in their car. You get no extra staging benefits by doubling up in frequencies.

Your headunit puts out a left and right signal. The rears are recieving the same signal.