hi all,
I am very interested in installing 4 air bag hydrollic suspension on my Tj magna. I was quoted about $8000. The guy told me it cost so much because it a custom made operation. Does anyone know anywhere where it is a bit cheaper???

um.....air bag hydraulic doesnt exsit, u either have one or the other. Air bags if enginerred r legal, where hydraulic controlled suspension is not.
i can get air bags for a magna fitted for $4000. if ur located in sydney pm me and i'll let u know, this deal is only available for me as its a very good friend of mine, i might be able to help u out if of corse ur in Sydney
cheers
Rhys

Over on the Diamante Owners website we have a user (C_ALEDO) that has put an air ride suspension in his Diamante. Cost around 3000USD i think. Its A LOT of work, not as custom as you might think though, i mean ALL air ride is custom on a car that wasnt meant to have it in the first place but they make a lot of universal parts, so there's not so much fabrication.

However be warned if you do this it will be a show car, no more daily driving as they are prone to failure, you have to drive round with a spare tank of air and a tool box to fix EVERY single part of the suspension in your boot cos if it breaks you aint going nowhere, you cant get towed, it has to be fixed on the spot.

Not a job for the feint of heart.

Thanks for the insight. From what I read about it it might look cool playing with the hydrolics, but it would be a pain in the ass if something did go wrong. Thanks for making me thing twice. Maybe later on in the long run.

actually it was a kit made for the diamate.

it might look cool playing with the hydrolics.......
there airbags :rant:
cheers
Rhys

gettin airbag suspensions is much safer than hydraulics. coz with hydraulics its all relying on a major part whereas airbags if the bags popped u still got something else supporting it, it just wont be a comfortable ride till u get it fixed.. i think this is right :confused: rhys u can help me out :D

gettin airbag suspensions is much safer than hydraulics. coz with hydraulics its all relying on a major part whereas airbags if the bags popped u still got something else supporting it, it just wont be a comfortable ride till u get it fixed.. i think this is right :confused: rhys u can help me out :D


With airbags, if one breaks, the side that broke is sittin on the ground and u aint goin no where.

rhys u can help me out :Dalways mate, pm me if u want more details.
when it comes to airbags they r very realiable plenty of my mates have them and never rip a bag, there very durable and strong, but yes if one does rip ur stuffed, has to be fixed on the spot, although u can tow it on a flat bed, but will do more harm then good
cheers
Rhys

gettin airbag suspensions is much safer than hydraulics. coz with hydraulics its all relying on a major part whereas airbags if the bags popped u still got something else supporting it, it just wont be a comfortable ride till u get it fixed.. i think this is right rhys u can help me out

yeah with BlackD here, theres nothing else in bags besides air, so if one goes, you not going anywhere.

i would personally get hydrolics......dunno why but bags to me just seem like a show thing.....and unless they are highly engineering and tested (like how they come out standard on most new mercs now) i wouldnt be getting em.

i gave cali customs a call here in melbourne and i got quoted $6000 to me i think its a waste of money and coilovers would be a wiser choice.

bags are the ****, fade coilovers, who wants to take there wheel off to make there car lower.


i got quoted $6000 by Tubular Suspension Systems fitted and engineered.

then i also got quoted worst case senario ( probably less because i just wanted a simple up down all round switch ) $5000 from Webbs Auto Sport fully fitted and engineered.

Do airbags handle alright still? it may look cool, but ive seen some cars with airbags going round corners, that i do at 80, at 50 with that much roll it looks like it is gonna flip. If you have to, go hydrauliks. a friend of mine has a soarer with hydauliks, and it has absolutly no roll on cornerrs at all, we put it on a skid pan and at 60 just full locked it to the right and it just turned and stayed flat. :D

However, as with anything electric, you have only a hope and a prayer that it doesnt fail when you need it most (eg; flying around a corner, or out in the middle of nowhere). if you have something such as coilovers, springs, etc, there is very very little chance that they will fail, such as being half way around that corner and your air compresson goes, or the belt slips that controls your hydrauliks and you go body on the ground... not fun

Besides, with the money you save buying coilovers instead of airbags, you could have an air jack thingy like on race cars, so you just plug in your 12v compressor and car goes up, and then use the compressor and air gun to take the wheel off in under 30secs, quick adjustment and within 5 mins the whole car is lower, and you still have a grand in your pocket lol lol now how individual would a setup like that be :D

i'm only going to say it once, hydralic suspension is illegal in Australia, full stop!!!
air bags handle better as they still use compressed springs, the only time the bags r actually used is when u raise it, if u have the deflated setting at ur drive hieght then there is no bouncing, rolling nothing, if u have the deflated setting set so the car sits on the ground then u have to drive with inflated bags, which is illegal. get me??
hydralic suspension replaces ur shocks with controlled hydralic shocks, thats y when u watch a snoop dogg music video, and u watch when is '45 goes over a bump it takes twenty minutes to stop bouncing, thats because the shocks have no dampning they just continue to expand, thus making the handling ****house, thats y they r illegal in Australia
cheers
Rhys

i think if you really wanna know about how the ride is with them, post up something on the diamante forums and/or the galant forums...american based. reason i say this is that obviously theres gonna be more people on those forums with airbags, so more opinions, rather than ppl just saying wat they've seen/heard, you'd be hearing actual owners opinions! from all of them you could get a better consensus than what any aussie based forum could give you, unless its something like the aussie airbags forum lol

just my $0.02

Vehicles useing airbags:
Trucks.
Buses, looked after a 196? Leyland with airbags.
Mercedes S class, I think the e class does as well.
Range Rover.
Mitsubishi Galant
Mitsubishi Verada
Cadillac.
Lincoln.
Subaru Liberty.
To name a few.
Vehicles useing hydraulics.
Mini.
MGF
Citroens.
I think there are more but I can't think of them.
Apart from the Mitsubishi's air compressor failure, the only other problems I've seen was a 196? Mercedes that snapped it's height control valve links and a Leyland Bus that cracked it's air tank. Saw too many MGFs with stuffed suspension. Also hydros are very hard on the car, the weight of the batteries alone is enough to stuff things while there is NO travel.

hey,
i got a quote from mr customs http://www.mrcustoms.com.au/ in adelaide for $3600 (kit only) fitting was going to be an extra $1500 - this was for the diamante kit with the bags on strut design - the guy at mr customs reckons these handle and ride better than the plain bags

they also reckon that they might be able to be engineered to get through regency - they are going to test a vehicle (not a magna) and see if they can get 'em through regency themselves first before telling customers that it can be done

here is the kit i was talking about; http://www.airbagit-store.com/product_list.asp?id=2143

For the person that's answering everyones questions and then them relying on your information maybe you should learn what you're talking about first?

Lets go through this for a second..


air bags handle better as they still use compressed springs

No, airbags go where your springs were in a standard install anyway. You can get air cylinders / cans that replace your shocks meaning you still have springs and that is the most common way of getting newer sedans on air.. you see it on accords, civics, etc.. but bags themselves are a different thing altogether.

As you can see in the mitsu airbag kit from airbagit.com.. bags in place of springs:

http://www.airbagit-store.com/productImages/FBSS_kit-III.jpg


the only time the bags r actually used is when u raise it, if u have the deflated setting at ur drive hieght then there is no bouncing, rolling nothing, if u have the deflated setting set so the car sits on the ground then u have to drive with inflated bags, which is illegal. get me??

No idea what you're on about here. Driving with inflated bags is illegal? If the bags ARENT inflated then you're sitting on bump stops or however low your vehicle goes without springs in it.. generally meaning its undriveable.. so no, it's not illegal to drive with inflated bags.. you HAVE to have your bags inflated. The law is actually that you have to have the entire system engineered and cert'd (as with any mod really).. and that you can't adjust the bags while the car is in motion.


hydralic suspension replaces ur shocks with controlled hydralic shocks, thats y when u watch a snoop dogg music video, and u watch when is '45 goes over a bump it takes twenty minutes to stop bouncing, thats because the shocks have no dampning they just continue to expand, thus making the handling ****house, thats y they r illegal in Australia

Now.. it bounces for 20 minutes because they're flicking switches to MAKE it bounce. Hydraulics are incredibly nimble and you can do all sorts of funky stuff but yes, it's illegal in NSW (and most other states).. though I have seen a few cars rego'd with hydraulics i'm pretty sure they were rego'd as club/custom cars only and not full street rego? no sure.

Also that's NOT why hydraulics are illegal.. the reason they're illegal is that hydraulic fluid heats up to INSANE temperatures when its forced through all the lines etc at immense pressures to fill/empty the cylinders creating the lift/drop. If one of those lines pop, or you a fitting fails, or a cylinder breaks.. you have hot hydraulic fluid (oil basically) spraying out where it can burn people. THAT is why hydraulics are illegal.


I'm not an expert in this stuff just sharing what I know. Your best bet for information on this stuff would be www.downundertruckin.com, or www.subsided.com, those forums are full of the boys that really know their **** and deal with this stuff every day.. and have the setups installed in street registered and engineered vehicles.. so head over there and talk to them. :)

I agree with the last post, know what you're talking about before you post. and for gods sake stay away from chassis tech equipment for your own sake. I have been quoted $6300 installed for a setup which would leave anything TSS sells crying in the corner from embarassment. If yu know what you're doing and have half a brain an air install can be completed in a weekend and have minimal problems throughout its life.

Having bags does not make your car a show only item, my mates and i drive our trucks every day with minor air leaks being the biggest problem we come across.

A decent juice setup (hydraulics) will set you back up to 8K just for equipment. that being a 2 pump 4 dump system running pro hopper equipment and 6 - 8 deep cycle dry cell batteries.


A decent air setup will cost you around 4 - 5K and install will be easier and you will retain a far superioir ride quality, you run less pressure in your bags you will float down the road without a hassle, and you can hop air just like you can juice, it all depends on your setup

cenithx thanks for clearing that up for me, but ur almost right, except that u only looked at one bag install, thats a full bag set up. i used to own a 1971 supercharged kombi, on bags, had it installed by livinlowcustoms, and the kit that i had had springs, and had bags in between the springs, when they were deflated it sat on the springs, when it was inflated it sat on the bags, now obviously things have changed, infact after reading ur post i rang livinlow and ur right kits have changed. i was one of the first in nsw to have bags installed into a non commercial car, so before u point fingers and accuse ppl of not knowing anything before they post, find out who they are and wat they know first
not trying to start something, just finishing it
cheers
Rhys

Hydaulics are legal in the US. They wouldnt be legal if they were dangerous like you make out to be.

Hydaulics are legal in the US. They wouldnt be legal if they were dangerous like you make out to be.

Think before you post.

America has lots softer laws in regards to what you can do to your car.. suicide doors, flip up single-piece front ends, street-legal hoppers, clear bonnets, the list goes on and on.. yes.. and hydraulics.

I saw cars in america that wouldn't be fit for scrap heaps here.. but they were on the road and registered.

Owning a handgun for personal protection is legal in the US. Does that make them safe?

I was just trying to help by sharing some actual facts and information, was not trying to insult anyone. Wrong information can be dangerous, especially when people see someone write something on a forum then take it as fact..

Check your facts always whether you're the poster or reading a post, even check the stuff I said by all means.. as long as you check it before you trust it.

ur are comparing hand guns to hydraulics and u are telling me to think before i post? Handguns dont shoot themselves. Hydaulics can break themslves without human intervention.

Most ppl who have hydraulics, thier cars arent daily drivers. Of course **** is gonna break if you drive a car like that back and forth to work. That was assumed. Anyway, i know what i am talking about, I got better things to do then argue about stupid laws.

LOL @ you firing up about a forum topic hahahaha, loosen your grip mate. If you knew what you were talking about in the first place there wouldn't be an arguement

I have a friend who has a soarer with hydrauliks, and its legal... ?

I thought some of the buses use hydraulic systems, so it's news to me that it's illegal too.

I bet you could do it with 4 starter motors, clamps, some gears and a few car batteries in the boot :D but it would probably be very illegal though lol

I bet you could do it with 4 starter motors, clamps, some gears and a few car batteries in the boot :D but it would probably be very illegal though lol

pft! t'would be fun to do though! :D:D:D

Think before you post.

America has lots softer laws in regards to what you can do to your car.. suicide doors, flip up single-piece front ends, street-legal hoppers, clear bonnets, the list goes on and on.. yes.. and hydraulics.

I saw cars in america that wouldn't be fit for scrap heaps here.. but they were on the road and registered.

Owning a handgun for personal protection is legal in the US. Does that make them safe?

I was just trying to help by sharing some actual facts and information, was not trying to insult anyone. Wrong information can be dangerous, especially when people see someone write something on a forum then take it as fact..

Check your facts always whether you're the poster or reading a post, even check the stuff I said by all means.. as long as you check it before you trust it.






FIRST OF ALL... OWNING A HANDGUN IN AMERICA FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION IS NOT LEGAL.... YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT WHICH IS A ***** TO GET... THEN YOU HAVE TO GET ANOTHER PERMIT TO CARRY CONCEALED. SO LETS CUT THE **** ABOUT THE US.


DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST STUPID **** LIKE THAT. :rant:

wasn't this thread about airbags?? hmm so political anyway back on track kids
cheers
Rhys

:rant:

Hahaha, what a damn cool smilie.