guess what guys,

the reign of my 05 magna vrx quadtech ended today :cry:

wrote it off down mount osmond road towards the freeway.

came down to the last corner before the freeway, there wasnt a sign saying how tight it got, i wasnt even going that fast, probably 40 - 45, any way come around been like **** cause it got heaps tighter, its understeered across to the other side of the road hit the gravel, then taken out a tree sideways and that slowed the car down to almost a stop and then we hit one in front of us.

no body hurt which is good.

the whole front end of the cars demolished. all the front suspension and steering is up the creek. snapped one of the rear wish bones, then they almost ripped the other one out when the had to tow it out of the tree using it. The chassis would be pretty bent also as the car left the ground and came down ont a tree, and then when they were putting it on the truck it slipped off the edge and they almost lost it :shock:

sad sad day :cry:

ouch glad to see everyones ok
picsorban
cheers
Rhys

ill have pics in the next day or soo.... couldntget any while it was in the tree as i didnt have a camera on me.

but ill def have some of the car i nthe next day or two, and i might try and get some of the crash scene too..

it sucks, not even 17 and already written off a car :cry:

it was scary though, the airbags didnt go off?

sorry to hear that man, id be devastated if i wrote off my 2K TR......good to see everybody ok, but i have to say...the airbags didnt go off?


id be a little inquisitive to some people from mistu why they didnt go off....

Glad you are okay.

I'd say the airbags did not deploy as you were not going fast enough.

Most airbags do not deploy inder a certain speed, as doing so would actually cause injury rather than preventing it. Depends on the make and model, but the general speed is about 35kmh. I think the ADRs state that you cannot have the airbags deploy under 28kmh but will stand corrected on that.

BTW, that is for a full frontal collision. Offset and side crashes may be different.

You say you were only doing 45 or so clicks, even if you were doing 50, that understeer and whatever braking you applied probably had you under the speed or force required by the sensors in the car to deploy the airbags.

I've been in a 60kmh shunt (Me as passenger in GQ Nissan Patrol Vs Idiot old coger failing to give way in ford Telstar) and I wouldn't have wanted the airbags going off at that speed.

it was scary though, the airbags didnt go off?
Yeah the airbags won't always deploy - depends on what speed you were doing and the longitudinal g force impacted on your car - sounds like most of your speed was wiped off in the crash during latitudinal movement.

Were you insured?

Did the cops of firies attend?

yer, thats probably true, neither of us really moved when we hit the tree so they wouldnt have done anything any way excpet hurt us.

yer i had 2 ambulances, 3 cop cars and a fire truck.

there wasnt a sign saying how tight it got, i wasnt even going that fast, probably 40 - 45,


Hmmm.

Well, good to see nobody as hurt. Hopefully it all gets sorted out for you. Did you lift off the throttle at all when understeering? Ive found my AWD pretty hard to upset.

']sorry to hear that man, id be devastated if i wrote off my 2K TR......good to see everybody ok, but i have to say...the airbags didnt go off?


id be a little inquisitive to some people from mistu why they didnt go off....
I was worried when I got my KS Xi, that if I have a slight accident that the air bags might go off, But I was told (well atlest on the TS/KS) that there are 2 sensors in teh chassis rails... and they both have to be damaged withing a second or so, and be doing over 40km/h for them to go off... has to be a *high speed accident* I was told...

Wow sounds really bad!
Lucky you're ok.

But i do have to question this 40km/h, to do that much damage and to understeer so badly, must have been a really really tight corner, like 150 degrees, or you were doing more then 40km/h.

Wow sounds really bad!
Lucky you're ok.

But i do have to question this 40km/h, to do that much damage and to understeer so badly, must have been a really really tight corner, like 150 degrees, or you were doing more then 40km/h.
yeh i was thinking the same thing

i would have thought an AWD could take a hairpin in the wet @ 40km/h and go around :confused:

He's 17.

Maybe a lack of experience?

He's 17.

Maybe a lack of experience?
i guess if u smash the brake pedal in a sitation like that it doesnt matter if uve got AWD or not hey

He's 17.

Maybe a lack of experience?

and he has a TW Quadtec AWD VRX... :shock:


it sucks, not even 17 and already written off a car :cry:


sucks to crash any car.. glad you're ok man!!

and he has a TW Quadtec AWD VRX... :shock:




sucks to crash any car.. glad you're ok man!!
Had to have been his parent's

i wasnt even going that fast, probably 40 - 45, any way come around been like **** cause it got heaps tighter, its understeered across to the other side of the road hit the gravel, then taken out a tree sideways and that slowed the car down to almost a stop and then we hit one in front of us.

hahaha.. sorry to laugh mate, but there is no way in hell a awd would understeer at 40km/h, unless you hit a patch of oil..

We had an AWD try to break traction doing donuts on a dirt football field at MM05 and he only just barely broke traction...

So come out with the truth..


Glad no one was hurt though..

hahaha.. sorry to laugh mate, but there is no way in hell a awd would understeer at 40km/h, unless you hit a patch of oil..


No bain. Your falling into the old trap of "l o l FWD understeers and AWD and RWD does'nt". From the sounds of it he wasnt accelerating, therefore it will understeer the same as any car would have. If he was accelerating it may have been a different story, but from my experience driving the AWD's they understeer before oversteer.

Still, i think it may have been quicker then 40




it was scary though, the airbags didnt go off?


no body hurt which is good.


Airbags only go off if you hit something with enough force to warrant them going off. Seeing no one was hurt and they were able to walk away, what use were the airbags anyway?

hahaha.. sorry to laugh mate, but there is no way in hell a awd would understeer at 40km/h, unless you hit a patch of oil..

We had an AWD try to break traction doing donuts on a dirt football field at MM05 and he only just barely broke traction...

So come out with the truth..


Glad no one was hurt though..

I agree - have to really go hard in my AWD, even in the dirt to oversteer too much. My favourite 'track' is Mawson road, up to the Fox Creek bike track near cudlee creek in adelaide (more than 40 too on tight dirt uphill corners). Was it Mt Osmond Road in Adelaide it happened? I saw you were from WA. I can see how it could have happened there !

Glad you're OK. Sad to see another AWD go :cry:

Sorry to hear, glad you're ok.

Seems rather strange this has come about @ 45 even 50 km/h & if the brakes were fully engaged @ that speed, I'm quite certain the AWD'll come to a complete stop within 2s - literary - on dry road.

Some a bump/kerb may have caused the wheels to be not in touch with the ground?

*missks*mount osmond rd sa?? if so... which company picked it up... prolly someone i knows and if i dont dad sure will..... cmon out wit it

Glad to see that your safe and well

As always, Cars can be replaced, People can't

Find it intresting that an AWD was understeering at that speeds. Anyways, whats happened, has happened, and cannot be helped.

hahaha.. sorry to laugh mate, but there is no way in hell a awd would understeer at 40km/h, unless you hit a patch of oil..

We had an AWD try to break traction doing donuts on a dirt football field at MM05 and he only just barely broke traction...

So come out with the truth..


Glad no one was hurt though..
That's what i was getting at :). My car doesn't understeer doing 40km/h, and i have a FWD TR with rooted suspension, and at 40 all you have to do is press the brakes and you'll stop understeering in an instant. There would have to have been something like oil on the road to skid out that badly.

you looking to sell any parts :P

holy **** dude. glad u all are aok. pretty stupid not havin a sign when theres a tight corner yet the government spend money on stupid signs like duck crossing and other usless ones.

Good to know all are safe, too bad about the car tho.

The AWD is a great car to drive and is very safe, but you need to know how to drive it to get the best from the technology. Your right foot timing is different to that of a fwd or rwd when entering and leaving corners and in this car, as you get more experienced, one learns to overcome the initial fear/reservation to floor it in order to have all wheels driving the car.

When you hit a corner at speed and your line is not right, most drivers brake or over-corect and that shifts the balance so the car goes off with its momentom instead of being driven. I find the best way to keep the car in control is to down shift a gear and get on da gas and point it where you want to go cause you then have all wheels putting down some traction , and you loose the understeer that you have if you coast thru a corner.

Drive it harder ,and it grips better, cause any slip either front or rear is detected and compensated by sending drive to the front(to correct rear spin) or to the rear.

Having said all that, I have lost my AWD a few times and i have big grippy tyres as well. In the wet, accellerating hard and trying to loose control(slip/drift) :cant. :redface:
But driving fast and hitting a corner with enough speed, even under full throttle, then of course other forces overcome grip :badgrin:

I guess this case is a case of inexperience as the cars is very safe but if not driven well,
then any car can loose it on any bend :shock:

yer, the road was a bit slippery at the time, i dont know what was on it, but it hadnt been raining. its a ****ing dangerous corner any way. theres no signs or anything on it.

it ****s me, there was a guard rail there but somebodys already hit it, and gone into the tree before me, and so when ive gone it wasnt there, if the other tree wasnt there i would have been well and truly f***ed.

the cop said im the 6 or 7th this year, so something should be done about signs.

nah i know it says im in WA but im really in SA, and yes it did happen on the mount osmond road heading down towards the freeway.

its not as bad as we first thought. but still looks messy.

i havent really looked but supposedly theres alot of undercarriage damage from landing on a tree.

they started her up today to tree and shift her abit onto a hoist and there was alot of black smoke, so thats not looking good.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b20/wooley_89/DSC00193smaller.jpg

i will have some more pics tomorrow, my camera died after the first pic.

any way, were all ok, and i jsut have to learn from this, its certainly put me off driving for a while.

The only thing i recengnise from that pic is a radiator, and the plastic engine cover.

Certainly looks very messy. looks like the tracking is out slightly too :doubt:

Hmmm.

Fair go. He's not even 17. Inexperience got him.

front airbags wont go off in a side hit and only a front or rear hit at more than 50kmh..

oh and how do you hit two trees and write a car off doing between 40-50kmh..?? :confused:

With all that under and over steer and then the gravel you speed would of atleast dropped to 20kmh before the tree not dtill doing 40-50.. :confused:

At the end of the day AWD`s arent that safe are they and it good no one was hurt..:)

Glad you were not injured...

The car - is just a car - even though it is a AWD Magna :D

EGO they have side airbags too. Thats probably what he was referring to. I wrote off a car just after my 18th birthday, dirt road 40-50km. It had been raining and the side of the road was muddy, slid into it and it rolled. That was in a little hatch. One of the main reason I got my first magna and then lowered it (hard to roll).

Sorry to hear your new car has already been written off. You are lucky to have such a car at that age. As far as the story goes, only human error caused the accident and nothing else. Plenty of drivers drive down that road including myself occasionally with no issues at all. Very surprising you lost in down there with an AWD. You must have misjudged the corner or was going too fast or else everyone else would have crashed on that same corner which I very much doubt. Main thing is no one was hurt. Take it easy.

I'm glad the occupants are safe and well but i'm still at a loss how speeds of 40km/h-50km/h can cause that much damage. I know that road well and to be frank the speeds involved don't seem to justify the damage. Looks to me more like 80-100kmh speeds were involved.

In any case the car is destined for the wrecking yard so hopefully you'll have another one real soon.

Glad you were not injured...

The car - is just a car - even though it is a AWD Magna :D

agreed, as long as everyone is ok. Sorry to hear bout the car

/insert manditory "that'll buff right out" comment


Thats really unlucky mate, and its glad everyone was okay.

I guess there is a positive side to this, you and maybe a few others learnt there is a propper and impropper place for that sort of driving.

Fair go. He's not even 17. Inexperience got him.

Fair go my ass. There is no way in hell he was doing 40kph.

I agree about the inexperience though.

well i must say the impact on missks was much worse so i'd say that that would be fixable.....

bad luck dude... without bein rude tho least you will have a little more experience now hey good luck with it all.
missks

I used to have a debate with my g/f, when I wanted a KF Wagn (purley cause of the 3.5ltr) and like she said, really the 3.5L has too much power for a P plater.... shiznit, my KS gets up and go's when I want it to...

I used to have a debate with my g/f, when I wanted a KF Wagn (purley cause of the 3.5ltr) and like she said, really the 3.5L has too much power for a P plater.... shiznit, my KS gets up and go's when I want it to...

Hmm, this a common worry for many parents/girlfriends out there, us young blokes driving pretty quick cars. Sure our Magna's arent blindingly fast, but if you learnt in your mums Corolla, you'll **** your pants if you jump in a 3.5L and give it ****.

I learnt to drive in my dad's AU XR6. Bein a 'farmboy' (hyuck!) I could already drive, been rippin around in paddocks since I was 13.

I scared the **** outa my parents when I bought my first car, HZ One tonner with a 253. **** that was a nice car. It was falling to bits though, so I got rid of it. Went through a Corolla, a Suzuki Sierra, and then jumped into a VS Exec 5.0L. VERY quick car. Chewed the fuel, and it habit of scaring the **** outa me, plus the interior wasnt very nice, so I got rid of it, which brings us to the TJ.

There's much talk of limiting P platers to limited power cars, which I think, is bull****. I've always driven responsibly, and have driven some very quick cars for my age (I'm only 18). However I've had the advantage of ripping around in paddocks for a very long time. I think the emphasis should be on more driver training. If this poor young bloke couldnt handle his VRX at 45km around a corner, thats really saying something I reckon.

Of course there'll be someone out there with a walking stick that screams "A P plater shoulnt have been allowed ten feet near a V6 VRX! Thats why he crashed!", but it sounds like that wasnt the contributing factor here. Of course the mentality of "Im in a VRX! Fcuk yeah I can take this corner eeeasy mate!" may not have helped. Young blokes will always try drive as fast as they can, whether they be behind the wheel of a Ferrari or Hyundai. And I'd say this bloke would've done the same even if he was behind thw wheel of an Echo.

Whack learners into a defensive driving course. You wont stop young blokes driving fast, and you sure as hell wont stop them from putting their asses in fast cars, but you'll better prepare them for when something goes wrong.

Whack learners into a defensive driving course. You wont stop young blokes driving fast, and you sure as hell wont stop them from putting their asses in fast cars, but you'll better prepare them for when something goes wrong.

Amen to that. I've had my plates a month and was amazingly lucky enough for my folks to buy me a TL ES Magna, purely on the basis of the safety features. Like one said, a Magna isn't a speed machine but at the same time a 155kW manual car can still be lethal in inexperienced hands.

I've done a defensive driving course, (and I'm pretty confident I'm a better driver than a lot of my peers as a result), and I'm about to do another (just to lower insurance). Boys will be boys, and I have put the boot in occasionally for the hell of it, but only under appropriate conditions. None the less, if someone is in a genuine accident, they'd be far better off with a defensive driving course under their belt as opposed to nothing.

Bad news about the car mate, but I agree with others - 50ks or less in an AWD car with ABS really shouldn't have caused that much damage.

... Of course the mentality of "Im in a VRX! Fcuk yeah I can take this corner eeeasy mate!" may not have helped. Young blokes will always try drive as fast as they can, ...

Reminds me of myself when I was 18, in a car that was reasonably fast.. was going uphill, big mountain pass, into a sharp left, with a cliff face right in front of me and to my right. Was night time. I was hammering so hard up the hill, with lights on low beam cos of oncoming traffic, and b4 I knew I was sliding across the apex of the corner, oversteering to the max.. and nearly put the tail of the car into the bank. There was a major cliff below me on the left, by the way.

I could have died that night, or at the least slid into another car and caused death/injury.

but I didn't . Pure luck. Lack of experience on my part, and being 18 had a lot to do with it. I'd only been driving 6 months. Most of it in the city.

I'm pretty confident

the cause of most issues. overconfidence. i think it's better to have an understanding how and what to look out for (i.e. consider everyone else on the road to be an idiot and you can't go wrong). i've done advanced driving courses (even driven a v8 supercar) but nothing is better than being alert and experience, and understanding how not to get in the **** in the first place!

the cause of most issues. overconfidence.

I honestly believe that almost every time someone gets into trouble (in a car or anywhere in life) it's because they over-estimate their abilities.

How many times have we all heard "Pfft. I can do that." only to watch something go wrong and it turns out to be a lot harder than first thought.

-Dan

well its suck to write off a car, i wrote a 1997 TF executive 2.4l after 2 days of insuring it :)...but its good no one is hurt

the cause of most issues. overconfidence.

Sorry for bumping a week old thread but you just completely missed the point. Read the rest of your sentence before you open your mouth again.

Sorry for bumping a week old thread but you just completely missed the point. Read the rest of your sentence before you open your mouth again.
And your point being?

There is no minimum initial velocity for airbags to deploy. It's all about rate of deceleration. In the end if you said you walked away with no injuries, the airbags were not required to be deployed.

by the way this is how a car should look like when it nails a stationary 4wd at 40km/h...my own crash test :P it didn't look as mangled as the AWD VRX....and isn't that a bit of a powerful car for a "young" driver...my car was a write off and it was a 97 TF Exec 2.4L my parents ****ed themselves when i went out and bought a 98 TF Solara V6...but all is well... i drive sensibly...that accident was a lapsed of concentration, one thing that dun happen too often anymore..i pump myself with red bull...

by the way this is how a car should look like when it nails a stationary 4wd at 40km/h...my own crash test :P it didn't look as mangled as the AWD VRX....and isn't that a bit of a powerful car for a "young" driver...my car was a write off and it was a 97 TF Exec 2.4L my parents ****ed themselves when i went out and bought a 98 TF Solara V6...but all is well... i drive sensibly...that accident was a lapsed of concentration, one thing that dun happen too often anymore..i pump myself with red bull...
Love the Tow rucks plates. :bowrofl: