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ho_k
30-12-2005, 02:36 PM
The centre brake light in my TJ sedan has fall off, probably due to extreme hot weather. I wonder if you guys can point me to where I can get the same glue to stick the light back on. The glue residue is a flexible substance that can be easily rubbed off with a finger without damaging the black painted frame on the rear windscreen so I really need this same glue to put it back on.

Mitsubishi Lidcombe could not help me, they just suggest me to use epoxy or superglue which I don't think will do the job. I couldn't find anything in Repco either other than wasting money on a glue not fit for purpose.

Thanks in advance.

Tessa403
30-12-2005, 06:11 PM
I'd think that maybe a windscreen or window tinting place may be a good option?

SARRAS
30-12-2005, 06:27 PM
I'd think that maybe a windscreen or window tinting place may be a good option?

Yeah... its held in place by studs glued to the screen itself so I assume the sort of stuff they stick rear view mirrors to windscreens should be the thing to get.

ho_k
30-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Yeah... its held in place by studs glued to the screen itself so I assume the sort of stuff they stick rear view mirrors to windscreens should be the thing to get.

Tried windscreen o'brien, they refer me to repco and this is where I get the glue for rear vision mirror. But upon reading instruction, it doesn't work. The glue is liquid and cannot possibly leave a flexible residue substance that can be easily rubbed off with a finger without damaging the black painted frame on the rear windscreen. I really need this same glue to put it back on without damaging the black painted frame.

SARRAS
30-12-2005, 08:58 PM
Tried windscreen o'brien, they refer me to repco and this is where I get the glue for rear vision mirror. But upon reading instruction, it doesn't work. The glue is liquid and cannot possibly leave a flexible residue substance that can be easily rubbed off with a finger without damaging the black painted frame on the rear windscreen. I really need this same glue to put it back on without damaging the black painted frame.

Go have a look at your rear view mirror - you'll find the same black masking under where that's glued to the screen as well. ERGO: I think the glue s meant to be used on the black.

ho_k
31-12-2005, 06:22 AM
Go have a look at your rear view mirror - you'll find the same black masking under where that's glued to the screen as well. ERGO: I think the glue s meant to be used on the black.

Liquid glue needs 2 flat surfaces to bond. The rear centre brake light surface is not flat. It need some kind of "flexible filler" type glue to fill in the gap between the 2 surfaces.

The black masking thing at the rear view mirror is the rear view mirror itself. There's no black masking on the glass like the rear windscreen edges.

SARRAS
31-12-2005, 06:47 AM
Liquid glue needs 2 flat surfaces to bond. The rear centre brake light surface is not flat. It need some kind of "flexible filler" type glue to fill in the gap between the 2 surfaces.

The black masking thing at the rear view mirror is the rear view mirror itself. There's no black masking on the glass like the rear windscreen edges.

Not the light unit - the clip itself which IS actually mounted on the black masking. The light unit clips to these two metal plugs which are glued to the screen - perhaps you've lost the plug itself or its still stuck in the plastic clip of the light unit?

Your description begins to sound to me like the thing fell off ages ago and someone stuck the light unit back on with silastic or something like that.

SYNRGY
31-12-2005, 07:09 AM
i bought proper glue for things like rear view mirrors cos my rear brake light fell out and that didnt even work :doubt:

i hate it cos we need the light there cos if we get rear ended then its probably our fault and will get in ****

eagleaus
31-12-2005, 07:23 AM
Same thing happened to me yesterday.Opened boot, down fell the light. :nuts:

ho_k
31-12-2005, 03:15 PM
Not the light unit - the clip itself which IS actually mounted on the black masking. The light unit clips to these two metal plugs which are glued to the screen - perhaps you've lost the plug itself or its still stuck in the plastic clip of the light unit?

Your description begins to sound to me like the thing fell off ages ago and someone stuck the light unit back on with silastic or something like that.

The two translucent and colourless plastic plugs which the light clip onto fell off. These two plastic plugs were glued to the rear windscreen within the black masking. The glue residue is some brown translucent flexible substance that can be rub off with a finger without causing damage to the black framing.

The two plastic plugs are not flat and couldn't possibly use liquid glue to glue it back on. These plugs have holes which I think is designed to take in some glue for extra grip, similar to brick with mortar going into the holes inside the brick for extra strength.

You are right, the plastic plugs were glued onto the black masking and I am trying to find a suitable glue for it that does not damage the black masking if it ever failed again.

BTW, where did you get that manual? Did it mention what glue they use?

Thanks

SARRAS
31-12-2005, 05:11 PM
Its the standard Mitsu TH/TJ KH/KJ CD manual - Part # MR927371 (got it off Ebay). I've been through the rear light sections and the rear screen sections, and even the rear view mirror section and nothing is mentioned about applying the various clips to the glass - which makes me think the rear glass and the windscreen comes pre-fitted with them. I'd try ringing Windscreens O'brien - they must have run across this before and they have the glass supply contract with Mitsubishi so they must have the right adhesive for the case at hand.

Ol' Fart
31-12-2005, 07:01 PM
Meh, black silastic :D

ho_k
01-01-2006, 12:02 AM
Its the standard Mitsu TH/TJ KH/KJ CD manual - Part # MR927371 (got it off Ebay). I've been through the rear light sections and the rear screen sections, and even the rear view mirror section and nothing is mentioned about applying the various clips to the glass - which makes me think the rear glass and the windscreen comes pre-fitted with them. I'd try ringing Windscreens O'brien - they must have run across this before and they have the glass supply contract with Mitsubishi so they must have the right adhesive for the case at hand.

I paid a visit to Lidcombe Mitsubishi, they suggested Windscreen places like Windscreen O'brien. I call Windscreen O'brien at Parramatta, they are not interested to do the job but recommend me to visit Repco. Went to Repco Lidcombe, they recommend me buying a glue that bonds the rear vision mirror to the glass. Brought it home, read the instruction and find out it won't do the job. Wasted $6.50 and I am still looking for the right glue to do the job.

Tessa403
01-01-2006, 05:14 AM
I paid a visit to Lidcombe Mitsubishi, they suggested Windscreen places like Windscreen O'brien.

I'd suggest to your local dealer that the Light falling off is a safety issue. I'm sure under ADR that all cars must have a centre mounted light and I'm also sure the light must be mounted securely so as not to fall off.


Grab a bit of wind, suck it in and be prepared to blow when you visit your dealer.

SARRAS
01-01-2006, 08:05 AM
I paid a visit to Lidcombe Mitsubishi, they suggested Windscreen places like Windscreen O'brien. I call Windscreen O'brien at Parramatta, they are not interested to do the job but recommend me to visit Repco. Went to Repco Lidcombe, they recommend me buying a glue that bonds the rear vision mirror to the glass. Brought it home, read the instruction and find out it won't do the job. Wasted $6.50 and I am still looking for the right glue to do the job.


Lidcombe Mitsubishi? You mean Phill Gilbert? Hmmmm, usually they're very helpful. Okay so it seems from this runaround that the 'official' cure is to replace the whole window... at this stage I'd be going to Bunnings and investigating Selly's Urethane Bond and 'Hard as Nails' - both of those are textured adhesives and should do for the job.

eagleaus
01-01-2006, 08:13 AM
I am going to try some velco strips as long as the strips are not to thick etc.,

ho_k
01-01-2006, 03:34 PM
Lidcombe Mitsubishi? You mean Phill Gilbert? Hmmmm, usually they're very helpful. Okay so it seems from this runaround that the 'official' cure is to replace the whole window... at this stage I'd be going to Bunnings and investigating Selly's Urethane Bond and 'Hard as Nails' - both of those are textured adhesives and should do for the job.

Yes, also called Phil Gilbert Mitsubishi. Does those 2 glue work under UV and extreme heat?

Some people recommend stickerflex, sikaflex or Techflex. Any opinions on these as well?

I will give bunnings a visit when it reopen on the 3rd. I probably give the national mitsubishi no. a call to see what they have to offer. In the meantime, any opinions are very much appreciated. :)

Cheers

'She's got Klass'
01-01-2006, 05:54 PM
ok iv tryed three times now to re stick my brake light. . . iv tryed a sylicon based product. . that just expands with the heat and eventually droped off. .

iv tryed velcro and that just unsticks with the heat. . .
and iv even gone doge and tryed to use a super glue and even that melted and fell off!!!!!

now iv resorted to ripping it off and leaving it the the garage till i get the car service and will get the bastards at mitsu to fix it!!! :redface:

philsTH
02-01-2006, 01:47 AM
Mine (TH) fell off too, took it back to Mitsu under warranty. They had to go to adelaide for the type of glue (Areldite industrial, higher temp rating) to use nway it fell off again and then again. After all this they said the only solution was to replace the rear screen.
I have a rear spoiler with a brake light so this light is not allowed to be used nway (ADRs say so) so I just left it off.
Sicaflex that would be worth a shot its good sh*t and flexible, that's whats used to hold the bonnet and boot skins to the ribs underneath.

D@ve
02-01-2006, 08:01 AM
Ur not allowed to have a brake light in ur window and ur spoiler!! :shock: Thats news to me, i should probably remove mine then. :confused: I dont see why it would be illegal, i mean the more brake lights the better, yeah?? :nuts:

ho_k
02-01-2006, 10:18 PM
ok iv tryed three times now to re stick my brake light. . . iv tryed a sylicon based product. . that just expands with the heat and eventually droped off. .

iv tryed velcro and that just unsticks with the heat. . .
and iv even gone doge and tryed to use a super glue and even that melted and fell off!!!!!

now iv resorted to ripping it off and leaving it the the garage till i get the car service and will get the bastards at mitsu to fix it!!! :redface:

The way you tried such a variety of glue, does it ever damage the black masking at all?

ho_k
03-01-2006, 08:06 AM
OK, Mitsubishi called me back saying the glue they use is called "5 minute Araldite". Anyone know where I can find this glue in Sydney?

SARRAS
03-01-2006, 09:29 AM
OK, Mitsubishi called me back saying the glue they use is called "5 minute Araldite". Anyone know where I can find this glue in Sydney?

Bunnings, Woolworths - any hardware shop - its a fast setting version of araldite is all - not hard to get.

'She's got Klass'
03-01-2006, 01:00 PM
The way you tried such a variety of glue, does it ever damage the black masking at all?
No iv got a window like scraper at home that takes off sticky tape and glue rego stickers n stuff. . . iv only ever tryed to take any excess glue and stuff off when the window has had a chance to heat up so its easyer to take off. . . . its fine soo far...

Reigns
03-01-2006, 01:54 PM
Easiest thing man, take it to a mitsubishi dealer and make them fix it for you. If its under warantee still, they will do that sort of thing for free.

'She's got Klass'
03-01-2006, 04:00 PM
OK, Mitsubishi called me back saying the glue they use is called "5 minute Araldite". Anyone know where I can find this glue in Sydney?


ok iv used this stuff be for and it only lasted a day!!!
think there are three types out there each one has a diff max temp rating 60'c $9 , 80'c $14. and the expensive one at $45 100'c im trying a Selley's Silicone 401 industrial grade engineering adhesive on it now and will see what happens has a heat resistance of 205'c hehehehe. . . hrmmmm

BLKMAG
04-01-2006, 10:52 AM
ok iv used this stuff be for and it only lasted a day!!!
think there are three types out there each one has a diff max temp rating 60'c $9 , 80'c $14. and the expensive one at $45 100'c im trying a Selley's Silicone 401 industrial grade engineering adhesive on it now and will see what happens has a heat resistance of 205'c hehehehe. . . hrmmmm

let me know if it works mate, i'll buy the rest of the tube from ya lol

pretty sure it was sicaflex that i've tried and it lasted 2 days :doubt: my light's been sitting in my bedroom for about 2 yrs :bowrofl: (i have a rear spoiler with B/light)

'She's got Klass'
04-01-2006, 03:32 PM
Ok guys im happy to report that so far so good with the adhesive iv used. . .

i put it on yesterday and left a box in my rear window in betwen the seat back and the brake light to hold it firmly inplace for 24hrs. . . . .
todays been a pretty hot day and the ol girls been out in the sun the whole time and it looks like its set pretty well too!!!!
The stuff costs 10bucks at bunnings and comes in one of those big tubes. . you will need one of these gun things for it. . . . .

Will see how goes over the weekend but im pretty convinced that with a heat rating of 205'c its not going any were!!!!!! :P

TS Magna
05-01-2006, 11:05 AM
same thing happened to me. I just used super glue. Put alot on, taped the brake light to the rear window with masking tape, pulled the masking tape off the next day, light hasn't fell down since. Hasn't damaged the black painted area's at all.

BLKMAG
10-01-2006, 11:04 AM
so............ the selley's 401 is still holdin on?

ho_k
10-01-2006, 11:34 AM
ok iv used this stuff be for and it only lasted a day!!!
think there are three types out there each one has a diff max temp rating 60'c $9 , 80'c $14. and the expensive one at $45 100'c im trying a Selley's Silicone 401 industrial grade engineering adhesive on it now and will see what happens has a heat resistance of 205'c hehehehe. . . hrmmmm

Did you let the Araldite set for 16 hours before driving?

I've brought the Araldite Ultra Clear on the weekend. It says it can hold upto 80 deg before it softens compare to the 5 minute Araldite at 60 deg. Plan to give it a go. Thanks for the tips so far. :)

Cairns TJ
11-01-2006, 06:33 PM
Mine fell off as well. Tried 5 min Araldite, didn't work. Took it to the dealer for warranty and they took it to windscreens O'brien. No trouble since.

'She's got Klass'
11-01-2006, 08:53 PM
Hey guys/girls yes im happy to say that the stuff i bought (selley's) for the brake light is holding. . .

We had a pretty hot day on the weekend 38'c and my car was out in the sun all day with the windows closed so it would have gotten pretty dam hot in that thing and it hasen't even moved, not even a tinny bit!!!!

Im really happy with it and would deff recomend it!!!:cool: