Just spoke to a mate who works at mistu HQ and we were chatting about the factory fitted dual fuel option coming out. We were speaking and he mentioned how the 380VRX and 380GT cannot be fitted with the factory gas option and I questioned him why. The reason being that the heads on the VRX and GT are completely different to that of the 380, LS and LX. This means that further down the track mitsu have in mind a performance engine for the VRX and GT he tells me. Should be interesting!!

i think he might have his facts crossed there... (hopefully not!) mitsu did originally plan for a 190kw VRX & GT (which would have had different heads) but cost cutting forced them to use the same engine across the range.

unless the next VRX and GT might have the 190kw?

I hope he wouldnt. But he is one of the engineers at mitsu in adelaide and he doesnt bullsh**. I believe what he says

i think he might have his facts crossed there... (hopefully not!) mitsu did originally plan for a 190kw VRX & GT (which would have had different heads) but cost cutting forced them to use the same engine across the range.

unless the next VRX and GT might have the 190kw?

Just wait for series 2!!!!

Sr 2 might be different. but Asylum is right Sr1 is the same motor across the range :D

Not sure about the performance thing, but the VR-X and GT can not be fitted with LPG.

380VRX and 380GT cannot be fitted with the factory gas option and I questioned him why. The reason being that the heads on the VRX and GT are completely different to that of the 380, LS and LX.


So the fact is the VRX/GT heads are different to the rest of the models, but still output the same torque and power as the rest of the lineup? That doesn't sound right at all, I feel your 'mate' is twisting your arms.

They have probably done the same thing as in previous model magnas (advance) - the lower spec models probably have an "lpg compatible engine" which basically means they have put tougher valve seats in the heads, and possibly stronger valves as well. Makes no difference to the performance.

The stupid thing is Mitsubishi seem to think that people don't want to convert VRX, GT models to LPG. Well I do, so it puts me in the position of being forced to buy a lower spec car, or putting lpg on anyway. They should just make all their engines lpg compatible across the range. Even most dealers aren't sure which are and which aren't - some tell you all of them are. Its a very difficult thing trying to buy a magna to convert to gas and still keep your warranty.....

So the fact is the VRX/GT heads are different to the rest of the models, but still output the same torque and power as the rest of the lineup? That doesn't sound right at all, I feel your 'mate' is twisting your arms.
about the factory fitted dual fuel option coming out

This means that further down the track mitsu have in mind a performance engine for the VRX and GT he tells me. Should be interesting!!
oviously we are not talking about the current models - alas - whats comming out in the near future.

oviously we are not talking about the current models - alas - whats comming out in the near future.


Not neccessarily. New accessories/factory fitted option doesn't always mean an update to the models.

oviously we are not talking about the current models - alas - whats comming out in the near future.

Yeah thats how I saw it too, obviously they are talking about the new mivec heads not compatible with lpg at the moment.

I work for Mitsubishi, albeit I specialise in high performance vehicles and there are no 380's in the high performance sector of Mitsubishi. However, dependant on the success of 380, I do know there is a 380 planned to burst the bubble of FPV and HSV.

The current 380 engine is identical across the range....except of course for 380's in New Zealand, where of course the VRX and GT have more power than the other models, this however is not gained through having a different engine.

I work for Mitsubishi, albeit I specialise in high performance vehicles and there are no 380's in the high performance sector of Mitsubishi. However, dependant on the success of 380, I do know there is a 380 planned to burst the bubble of FPV and HSV.

The current 380 engine is identical across the range....except of course for 380's in New Zealand, where of course the VRX and GT have more power than the other models, this however is not gained through having a different engine.

how do the nz versions have more power?

how do the nz versions have more power?
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=431039#post431039
From what i can gather, less emmission controls.

Yup, the NZ 380's have modified intakes and therefore produce more power than the Australian 380's

I work for Mitsubishi, albeit I specialise in high performance vehicles and there are no 380's in the high performance sector of Mitsubishi. However, dependant on the success of 380, I do know there is a 380 planned to burst the bubble of FPV and HSV.

The current 380 engine is identical across the range....except of course for 380's in New Zealand, where of course the VRX and GT have more power than the other models, this however is not gained through having a different engine.

Correct about the identical engine specification on all 380 models. Although this wasn't always going to be that way as MMAL originally had three engine variants planned: base, sporty and MIVEC. In the end only the sporty engine was released.

FF

Am in the process of looking at head assemblys on microcat mitsu part finder, seeing if there is any difference. Will keep you guys psoted

Am in the process of looking at head assemblys on microcat mitsu part finder, seeing if there is any difference. Will keep you guys psoted

I'm guessing they are currentlly the same, but might change in the future (with NON-LPG friendlly heads) so instead of offering LPG now and then removing it later (might make the newer owners feel left out) they just don't offer it at all.

i think he might have his facts crossed there... (hopefully not!) mitsu did originally plan for a 190kw VRX & GT (which would have had different heads) but cost cutting forced them to use the same engine across the range.

unless the next VRX and GT might have the 190kw?

you actually have this back to front. The 175kw engine was always headed for the VRX and GT, they originally had planned an engine with LESS power for the 380 and LS models however due to cost cutting they could only put one engine in, and they decided it was better to use the more powerful engine

i heard from a certain somebody who should know what hes talking about that MMAL are very busy developing a 200+kw engine and adapting the magna AWD system to the 380 for the series 2 upgrade............

i heard from a certain somebody who should know what hes talking about that MMAL are very busy developing a 200+kw engine and adapting the magna AWD system to the 380 for the series 2 upgrade............

;) ;)

I couldnt confirm nor deny this is definately for the series 2 upgrade, but what i can say is that you are correct in saying they are "busy developing" ;)

So are these power figures at the wheels ? or at the engine ?

So are these power figures at the wheels ? or at the engine ?

car manufacturers always quote at the flywheel, so presumably (seen as i was told by a mitsubishi person) that its flywheel power