Alright, Now as far as i've heard/seen/whatever the 6G72 from the 3000GT can go into a 2nd gen easypeasy. Now the part im interested in is A. Will a magna box take a beating from that engine and B. WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN A FRONT CUT FOR SALE? I can't find one anywhere and any importers i call tell me to call back later once they talk to "their guy" in japland.

im pretty sure KB's manual box has gone through thick and thin.

sorry but can't help ya on the front cut bit :(

Alright, Now as far as i've heard/seen/whatever the 6G72 from the 3000GT can go into a 2nd gen easypeasy. Now the part im interested in is A. Will a magna box take a beating from that engine and B. WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN A FRONT CUT FOR SALE? I can't find one anywhere and any importers i call tell me to call back later once they talk to "their guy" in japland.
Try Mitsi spares in Adelaide, he had a few at last count (along with DOHC engines, etc). There is not reason why it won't drop right in. I looked at this years back. It's basically a Killbilly engine with 2x turbos.

Manga box will never take the tt i know that cause i wanna do the same for my car and done some looking around in terms of getting the engine... well take time of work get urself a ticket to japan and good luck cause u wan't find it here.. and if u do then there is something F+++ED about it... I just waiting on a price from my mate i'll let u know

The box will defiantely take the TT. Just gotta replace a clutch every month :D

Manga box will never take the tt i know that cause i wanna do the same for my car and done some looking around in terms of getting the engine... well take time of work get urself a ticket to japan and good luck cause u wan't find it here.. and if u do then there is something F+++ED about it... I just waiting on a price from my mate i'll let u know
Are you talking about the GTO TT engine into your TJ?

I ask because the GTO engine isn't suited to a 3rd gen.

Just buy the twins and all the paraphenalia required to turbo any car. It works out to be a lot cheaper then buying a used GTO/3000GT VR4 engine. As for the transmission, if its an Automatic then it'll take it no problem, just need a hefty tranny cooler. If its a Manual then good luck, you'll need to get the 5spd off of an NA GTO/3000GT or do the AWD conversion too and use the Getrag 6spd which is built like a brick ****house.

I'm doing this very conversion and so far have:

Two TD04's
Turbo Downpipe
Turbo Manifolds
Low Impedence Injectors
Two Side mount intercoolers
Intercooler piping
Intake piping
Oil filter housing and lines

All i need now is:

Water lines
Water housing
Front motor mount (to accomodate the turbo)
Fuel Pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Resistors for the injectors


So far i've spent 1200USD on what i have and estimate 300USD on whats left. Thats 1500USD or 2000AUD there abouts. Cheaper then any front cut you'll find. And the majority of front cuts usually are pulled from cars that have been written off and usually in head on wrecks meaning the motor will never run like its supposed to.

You could worry about the high compression ratio but if you just stick to 6 or 7psi you'll have no problems and instaspool at around 2400rpms :D

I looked into this as a replacement for my 6g72 (looking long term).
In the end it worked out too costly and too many unanswered questions.
In my case in Victoria, the compliance regulations and costs were too high for me - along with me not being mechanically minded so needing others to do all the work and stories of others who have done this (NZ guy) still not having a heater coz of the posy of one of the turbos - oh and questions regarding clutch & CVs etc.
:doubt:

But the short answer is yes it can be done (HAS been done)! but open ya wallet :badgrin:

...
More info - check out my last post for some possible sources for a Front Cut...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20636&page=4

My original thread - why I chose not to (check out my last post on p3)...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18321&page=3&pp=10

Just buy the twins and all the paraphenalia required to turbo any car. It works out to be a lot cheaper then buying a used GTO/3000GT VR4 engine. As for the transmission, if its an Automatic then it'll take it no problem, just need a hefty tranny cooler. If its a Manual then good luck, you'll need to get the 5spd off of an NA GTO/3000GT or do the AWD conversion too and use the Getrag 6spd which is built like a brick ****house.


The manual 5 speed off a 3000GT is an F5M3 (well that's one of them, there were two, this was the later one I believe), which is actually the same as the 5 speed manual off a TR V6.

There's no way that it would be cheaper to rebuild your block and get the turbos etc all done cheaper than just getting the turbo engine put in. I think that this idea really has killed it for me, I think the DOHC conversion would probably be the best, if i ever get around to it.

i dunno dude, its costing me 1500 or there abouts to add twin turbos to my car... a front cut from a vr4 is like 3000... seems cheaper to me :D Though thats if you do the labor yourself.

Check out some AllJap and see if they can get one in for you.. Coz last time they said they can do that..

ALSO.. Call up Tony Motson's Turbo & Suspension.. the dumba** there said that you can fit that into the 3rd Gen.. My old man was like sweet sweet.. Until we found out about the TOTAL diff orientation and yeah.. we called him and shut him the f**k up!

But they may be able to get a hand onto a 6G72TT for ya..

SuFz :rant:

www.blairs.co.nz has them, www.imlachs.com.au (I think thats it) has them too.

Google search is your friend here. You can find a few around

well i've only emailed 4 places so far and i've got 1 dohc engine only and 1 whole dohc aus spec gto front cut. Took down 20 numbers from the phone book just on engines but i havent rung anybody yet. Waiting till i have 2k for engine stuff.

Sufz; all jap is in underwood aren't; theyre on my list. 500$ till i'm ready to buy :D

Ok, sorry if it was answered, but first question. I have found a 6G72 Mivec DOHC twin turbo and need to know if it will go into a TE 5spd man, and what else will be required.

Also, what else will be required? I know my brakes and suspension would hold up, and am guessing a full E-manage setup as well as new exhaust would obviously be needed, but is the diff opposed or not?

p.s. sorry to thread mine but I tried search and don't know enough to understand.

www.justjap.com has the front cut u want australia wide shipping

Couldn't find that motor, but I know where one is. Please post the link, but I don't know if I'll end up with one forward and five reverse gears. Anyone know?

Ok, sorry if it was answered, but first question. I have found a 6G72 Mivec DOHC twin turbo and need to know if it will go into a TE 5spd man, and what else will be required.

Also, what else will be required? I know my brakes and suspension would hold up, and am guessing a full E-manage setup as well as new exhaust would obviously be needed, but is the diff opposed or not?

p.s. sorry to thread mine but I tried search and don't know enough to understand.

Talk to meansolara, he did this conversion

Also there are no DOHC 24v MIVEC 6G72 TT's

Talk to meansolara, he did this conversion

Also there are no DOHC 24v MIVEC 6G72 TT's
Agreed. 6G72 TT or 6G72 Mivec engine, which one?

The Mivec will suit your 3rd gen, the TT will not.

Well not sure, will have to ask, but that is what he told me he had in stock. I asked for a 6G74 Mivec and he told me all he had was a 6G72 Mivec DOHC TT out of a GTO. Any idea why the TT doesn't fit?

cos if it did you'd have a full 6 gears going backwards and only one going forward... it faces the wrong way :D

Cheers for that. Was what I had previously heard, but was unsure.

I asked for a 6G74 Mivec and he told me all he had was a 6G72 Mivec DOHC TT out of a GTO. Any idea why the TT doesn't fit?
A 6G74 Mivec won't fit either.

The TT engine in a GTO isn't a Mivec engine.

It won't fit because the engine is around the wrong way. Compare your engine bay to a 2nd gen.

A 6G74 Mivec won't fit either.

The TT engine in a GTO isn't a Mivec engine.

It won't fit because the engine is around the wrong way. Compare your engine bay to a 2nd gen.

The 6g74 Mivec is out of (among others) the NZ diamante 3rd gen. why wouldnt it fit?

The 6g74 Mivec is out of (among others) the NZ diamante 3rd gen. why wouldnt it fit?
No it's not. It's from a Pajero.

I didnt think that mivec was adapted to the 6g74, i've never heard of this engine only the 6g72 mivec.

6G72 Mivec is from a Diamante.

6G74 Mivec (if it ever existed) was from the Pajero Evolution concept wasnt it?

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/701348/1

This guy is a memeber of our forums over in the states, has a 3rd Gen magna or more accurately its a 2nd Gen Diamante from NZ that has been imported to England.

He's running a 3.0ltr MIVEC thats orintated for that style car.

Just confirming the fact that the 6G72 MIVEC does fit the 3rd Gen Magna but the TT wont.

but will the 6g72 MIVEC fit in a 2nd gen?

but will the 6g72 MIVEC fit in a 2nd gen?

No, it's oriented for a 3rd gen as Dpack said.

IF you could pick up a 6G74 MIVEC, I'm sure it would be possible to use 6G72 manifolds and so on to adapt it to a FWD setup. :D

i havnt read the whole thing, but i spoke with a guru i met yesterday, he said that getting a front cut and putting the whole drive train in is the best bet,that way you get garunteed power and the wicked 6 speed manual, at this stage that is what im going to do, i dont know where to find the half cuts though, also thinking of getting rear cut to take the diff out of and do 4wd conversion

i havnt read the whole thing, but i spoke with a guru i met yesterday, he said that getting a front cut and putting the whole drive train in is the best bet,that way you get garunteed power and the wicked 6 speed manual, at this stage that is what im going to do, i dont know where to find the half cuts though, also thinking of getting rear cut to take the diff out of and do 4wd conversion

The 'guru' is talking out his ass.

Dropping the front cut from a VR4 into a magna/diamante (2nd gen M, 1st gen D) wouldnt work due to the fact the 'wicked 6 speed manual' is for an AWD drive train. So you would also need the drive shaft, rear diff, rear axles and upgraded suspension for the rear too.

And in response to Phonic, no, 6g72 manifolds will not bolt to the 6g74 in no shape or form, completely different bottom ends and bolt hole alignments.

I didnt think that mivec was adapted to the 6g74, i've never heard of this engine only the 6g72 mivec.

6G74 Mivec (if it ever existed) was from the Pajero Evolution concept wasnt it?
It's more than a concept. I've seen ads for a couple floating around car yards in NZ.

IF you could pick up a 6G74 MIVEC, I'm sure it would be possible to use 6G72 manifolds and so on to adapt it to a FWD setup. :D
Maybe, maybe not. The 6G74 Mivec engine is a north-south engine. Manifolds would probably clash with stuff in the engine bay. Who know's if the heads would bolt up. Then you need to worry about how the heads function as they run on oil pressure to switch cams.


i havnt read the whole thing, but i spoke with a guru i met yesterday, he said that getting a front cut and putting the whole drive train in is the best bet,that way you get garunteed power and the wicked 6 speed manual, at this stage that is what im going to do, i dont know where to find the half cuts though, also thinking of getting rear cut to take the diff out of and do 4wd conversion
A guru hey? Well, you can do that with any car but 99% of people here are only interested in straight swap stuff and nothing that requires engineering. For you to use the TT engine and transmission in your car, it's going to cost heaps of money. And if you're thinking if the AWD setup then tripple it. It won't fit. a) engines are around the wrong way for a start and you're going to have fun fitting stuff even if you take engine and driveline and b) your floorpan won't be able to accomodate a tailshaft etc. Go by a TJ AWD and convert to a manual. Then TT it through RPW or similar.

quite the party pooper arnt you, it was only a thought, i call him guru cause saved me a new clutch install when every one else said i needed to replace my clutch, he looked and feeled for 5 min turned a screw and fixed, to me that is a mechanic that knows his job. but hey, who cares, was a though only, somthing to look into and check, apparently done, thanks for the info, saved me heaps of time and running around.

cheers

bro changing the friction point/clutch cable tension, is only a temproary fix for a rooted clutch.

i dunno dude, its costing me 1500 or there abouts to add twin turbos to my car... a front cut from a vr4 is like 3000... seems cheaper to me :D Though thats if you do the labor yourself.


Phar out man. Im no guru but that sounds extremely underpriced. it cost more than thet just to port and polish or get stage 2 cams , both of which you would need with twin turbos?
If thats all it cost then I'll be joiningh the TT club ASAP!!!
how did u go about aquiring the parts so cheap?

Phar out man. Im no guru but that sounds extremely underpriced. it cost more than thet just to port and polish or get stage 2 cams , both of which you would need with twin turbos?
If thats all it cost then I'll be joiningh the TT club ASAP!!!
how did u go about aquiring the parts so cheap?


remember he's from the USA. last time i heard 1 AUD = .74 USD

Okay.. I've asked a few friends in regards to availability on this engine! He said that I may be in luck as an import place in Burleigh Heads seem to have some or to be getting some in! So give it a week or two and I'll Pm you Nick!

SuFz :rant:

Okay.. I've asked a few friends in regards to availability on this engine! He said that I may be in luck as an import place in Burleigh Heads seem to have some or to be getting some in! So give it a week or two and I'll Pm you Nick!

SuFz :rant:
What are they called? I thought the place down there was closing. Well, at least the place Haydn and I visited was closing withing 6 months and that was two years ago. No idea what happened to the Mivec that was there. Mind you, it looked like it had been sitting there for months. I'd not want it.

I dont have to do any internal motor work as i've a DOHC 6G72. Its the exact same as the 3000GT VR4 albeit higher compression pistons meaning i wont be able to go much higher then 7psi.

As for all the parts, eBay is your friend. In a single auction i got:

Two SMIC's
Intercooler pipiing
Turbo Downpipe
Turbo Manifolds
Two TD04's

All for the low low price of 750USD.

But as stated, i'm living here in the US of A where we've A LOT more advertised on eBay.

What are they called? I thought the place down there was closing. Well, at least the place Haydn and I visited was closing withing 6 months and that was two years ago. No idea what happened to the Mivec that was there. Mind you, it looked like it had been sitting there for months. I'd not want it.

Not sure.. Its supposedly an Import Car Yard.. but they also get in half cuts n all! Hopefully they find something! They said they'll make sure its runnin and not blowing smoke before offering it.. so lets just hope!

SuFz :rant:

havent read through the thread, but this website caught my eye

http://www.progressivemotorsports.com/diamante.htm

']havent read through the thread, but this website caught my eye

http://www.progressivemotorsports.com/diamante.htm

Intercoolers are for wusses :D

Phar out man. Im no guru but that sounds extremely underpriced. it cost more than thet just to port and polish or get stage 2 cams , both of which you would need with twin turbos?
If thats all it cost then I'll be joiningh the TT club ASAP!!!
how did u go about aquiring the parts so cheap?

Remeber the 6g72TT is in the 3000gt over there so parts are damn common and as he said ebay in the US has EVERYTHING. remember the conversion rate too, thats more like $2k. PLUS D-pack works part time as a mechanic so he isnt paying much for labor.

cos if it did you'd have a full 6 gears going backwards and only one going forward... it faces the wrong way :D
Couldn't you rig a different setup for the manual shift? That way it would shift the way you wanted it to? I was thinking about this so i can put in a 6spd manual in my TH. that would be killa!!!!

im thinking about doing this, but i have 4 cyl version of a TR and i dont know if the gearbox would take it, i know the engine mounts dont match up, but the 4 cyl manual gearbox is making me worried as if i do do this then will it take it no problems, i also found a site saying a 6g72 TT has around 320+ hp and 6g72 N/A hs around 255 hp. Since i dont know the hp of the stock engine i cant compare.

I know someone is turboing there 4 cyl 2nd gen but i cant remember who and i dont know if they are doing this way. I did search and i have read through some threads but found nothing that says what i want.

im thinking about doing this, but i have 4 cyl version of a TR and i dont know if the gearbox would take it, i know the engine mounts dont match up, but the 4 cyl manual gearbox is making me worried as if i do do this then will it take it no problems, i also found a site saying a 6g72 TT has around 320+ hp and 6g72 N/A hs around 255 hp. Since i dont know the hp of the stock engine i cant compare.

I know someone is turboing there 4 cyl 2nd gen but i cant remember who and i dont know if they are doing this way. I did search and i have read through some threads but found nothing that says what i want.

The 6g72 is a very widely used motor over here, from Chrysler minivans to the 3000gt VR4. They typically have between 150 and 250 hp depending on compression ratio and whether its SOHC or DOHC.

The DOHC that came with the 1g Diamante LS was a 10:1 compression and running 202hp at the crank. The DOHC that came in the twin turbo 3000gt was 8.5:1 compression and ran either 310hp or 330hp depending what year the car was (i think they changed the fuel maps in 93 which explains the minor difference).

I'm pretty sure the gearbox from a 4cylinder wont fit that of the 6g72 and so you'd be best sourcing the 5spd that came with the V6 Magna over there. Trying to find the getrag 6spd would be far too costly and the fact its an AWD transmission means more work then you'll ever want to put into a car.

If you can source all the required parts for a turbo conversion and can handle not having a car for weeks or even months at a time then it's a hell of a lot cheaper to do a custom turbo conversion then it is to buy a turbo front cut.

As for Black Advance's question, you probably could rig up a gearing system to turn the 5/6spd transmission around in the engine set up but the amount of fabrication involved just isnt worth it. It would be SOOOOO much easier to source some GOOD automatic transmission parts and rebuild it. Look at it like this, there are only TWO 10second 3000gt's in the US, one started its life as a VR4 with the getrag 6spd, the other was an FWD automatic, the automatic is FASTER then the VR4 because it has a fully built A/T. No single person in the world can shift faster then a computer and so a manual really isnt worth it if you're looking for speed.

IPT (http://www.importperformancetrans.com) do numerous parts here in the states and have many 10 second automatic cars in thier line up, i personally use their raybestos end clutch and its amazing what these guys can do, especially for thier prices. Contact Transdude on thier forums if you want to discuss shipping charges and what not but rest assured they come HIGHLY recommended here in the states.

I'm pretty sure the gearbox from a 4cylinder wont fit that of the 6g72 and so you'd be best sourcing the 5spd that came with the V6 Magna over there. Trying to find the getrag 6spd would be far too costly and the fact its an AWD transmission means more work then you'll ever want to put into a car.


The gearbox from the 4cyl fits on the magna 6 cyl so i think it would definitely fit the DOHC versions, however i dont know if the gearboxes are exactly the same, it might just be the connection and so i dont know if the gearbox can take the power from a DOHC TT.

The gearbox from the 4cyl fits on the magna 6 cyl so i think it would definitely fit the DOHC versions, however i dont know if the gearboxes are exactly the same, it might just be the connection and so i dont know if the gearbox can take the power from a DOHC TT.


Only the automatic carbi's and auto efi are given differing part numbers in my haynes manual but i haven't looked closely at a 4cyl manual transaxle; can you confirm that the manual v6 and 4 cyl transaxles are the same??

If it has F5M3 printed on it then it's the same as the V6 and therefore the same as the FWD 3000GT 5 speed manual.

ive noticed vr4 mentioned in same sentice as 3000gt,am i on a different page here, the vr4 is a small car with 4cyl engine the 3000gt/gto is a twin turbo $36000au sports car, 2 door????

ive noticed vr4 mentioned in same sentice as 3000gt,am i on a different page here, the vr4 is a small car with 4cyl engine the 3000gt/gto is a twin turbo $36000au sports car, 2 door????

VR4 is the Twin Turbo 4wd version of the 3000GT

There are different variants, like FWD N/A and stuff like that. Same as the VR4 Galant is the top performer, same with the 3000GT.

The VR4 is a 2.5L not a 3L still might be good swap for the 3L N/A boys.

The VR4 is a 2.5L not a 3L still might be good swap for the 3L N/A boys.

Not in the 3000GT.

ALL the motors in the 3000GT's are 3.0l V6's.

VR4 was mitsubishis term for their turbo'd AWD vehicles. Basically it stood for 4wheel disc brakes, 4wheel steering, 4wheel drive.

There are a few variants of VR4 motors but there was most definately a 3000GT VR4 that came with a 3.0L V6 TT engine. The code of which is the 6g72dett.

Not in the 3000GT.

ALL the motors in the 3000GT's are 3.0l V6's.
Yeah, I think he was mistaken for a VR4 Galant.