Some dealers are running out some of the 05 plated 380s.

Might be some deals to be done.

Saw it in the NSW Daily Telegraph CarsGuide

Plenty of 2005 plated cars to be cleared. By my calculation there are almost 4,000 unsold Mitsubishi 380s.

FF

It wouldn't surprise me to see MMAL do a similar thing that Ford had to do with the AU. That is re-engineer alot of the car to make it more market friendly.






I know oops I critisised the 380... Close the thread!!!

The only thing i cant stand about the 380 is the rear lights and boot lip. I reckon it looks horrible (though thats just me).
I reckon do something with the rear, flatten out the boot, change the lights back to something similar to the TW magna, but redesigned to be "different" and you'd have a winner.

It wouldn't surprise me to see MMAL do a similar thing that Ford had to do with the AU. That is re-engineer alot of the car to make it more market friendly.


I know oops I critisised the 380... Close the thread!!!

hmm, where would you start?

The only thing i cant stand about the 380 is the rear lights and boot lip. I reckon it looks horrible (though thats just me).
I reckon do something with the rear, flatten out the boot, change the lights back to something similar to the TW magna, but redesigned to be "different" and you'd have a winner.

I agree. The rear of the car is the most unappealing aspect. Unfortunately MMAL didnt't have any control over this as it is a carry over from the US Galant donor vehicle. It would cost way too much to change the rear sheet metal. And MMAL at the moment does not have the money to do any significant styling changes.

FF

I know oops I critisised the 380... Close the thread!!!

Nobody cares that you criticise the 380, but alot of your criticising are just based on useless information, with not much fact, have you test drove a 380 yet?, just like your post above, plus cheap shots are uncalled.

I mean think about your statement above, 're-engineer' the 380, can you even mention what’s wrong with its engineering, the more I drive it, the better it gets!.

The only thing they could change to help its cause is a few styling changes in the interior, and add in some fancy marketing rubbish and technology, like 'MIVEC' and '6speed auto', 'Active Stability Control', even though its driving dynamics, are imo, alot better then the magna could produce, why its very natural, that the only way I can tell its FWD sometimes, is by the fact the tail doesn’t pitch out a little during hard driving.

To be more competitive in the sports market it wouldn’t kill MMAL to have some more power.

But to 're-engineer' the 380, just imagine how much of the money MMAL doesn’t have, it would take to do it, hell they didn’t even have enough money to do everything they wanted to the 380. To do what I’ve stated above might not even happen, if they don’t have money.

i dunno what you're all on about, i reckon the back looks awesome, as does the front.. overall it is a pretty awesome car..

there are only 2 things that i dont like about it, those are the interior rear door panels (something about them just jooks a little on the cheap side, LS and LX look alright though) and the 2 side air vents on either end of the dash board and the surrounding area, also looks a little on the cheap side..

other than that, i love the car.. (especially the VRX in electro and the GT in molten):drool:

Nobody cares that you criticise the 380, but alot of your criticising are just based on useless information, with not much fact, have you test drove a 380 yet?, just like your post above, plus cheap shots are uncalled.

I mean think about your statement above, 're-engineer' the 380, can you even mention what’s wrong with its engineering, the more I drive it, the better it gets!.

The only thing they could change to help its cause is a few styling changes in the interior, and add in some fancy marketing rubbish and technology, like 'MIVEC' and '6speed auto', 'Active Stability Control', even though its driving dynamics, are imo, alot better then the magna could produce, why its very natural, that the only way I can tell its FWD sometimes, is by the fact the tail doesn’t pitch out a little during hard driving.

To be more competitive in the sports market it wouldn’t kill MMAL to have some more power.

But to 're-engineer' the 380, just imagine how much of the money MMAL doesn’t have, it would take to do it, hell they didn’t even have enough money to do everything they wanted to the 380. To do what I’ve stated above might not even happen, if they don’t have money.



Adding Mivec, stadility control and changing the interior is to a certain extent 're-engineering'

I hate to sound negative, but as much as I would like to see the 380 succeed, I don't think it will. The styling is not what the majority of people want. I bet if they kept the TJ and engineered it to be rear wheel drive and dropped the 3.8 in people would be buying heaps of them...I know I would.

No need for a rwd, plus it would be too hard to do. Just make the awd the standard driveline on all magna's (with manual dammit!)

This just sounds like all the other 380 threads which end up closed.

No need for a rwd, plus it would be too hard to do. Just make the awd the standard driveline on all magna's (with manual dammit!)

AWD??? Yuk!!! Still too much weight over the front wheels. Also spin the engine 90 degrees...yeah baby... :D

I hate to sound negative, but as much as I would like to see the 380 succeed, I don't think it will. The styling is not what the majority of people want...

Ditto. The two problems Mitsubishi Australia have are:

1. A large percentage of the general public have a negative image of MMAL's products. Many people see the all new 380 as the new Magna. As soon as the 380 has been tared with this brush these people have preconceived ideas about the 380 based on their experiences with previous Magna based models. If they took a 380 for a test drive they would see that the new car is (dynamically) a significant improvement over the superceded Magana.

2. The styling of the 380. As can been seen from the previous posts in this thread styling appeal is very subjective. A car's styling will never appeal to all people. The problem with the 380 is that it doesn't appeal to enough people. A lot of people I have spoken with find the 380s styling somewhat awkward (but not AU Falcon level of ugliness). If MMAL put on a body like the Hond Euro Accord or Mazda 6, in my opinion the sales would be significantly higher than the current levels.

When I saw the first 380 prototypes a few years ago I immediately believed that this new car would not be the saviour MMAL requires.

FF

AWD??? Yuk!!! Still too much weight over the front wheels. Also spin the engine 90 degrees...yeah baby... :D


Subaru seem to be doing fine :think:

Well may you say God save the Queen, because nothing will save the Magna 380 oop's 380. Mitsubishi will be out of here in a couple of years and its quite on the cards we will import them from China much cheaper which will make a lot of Dealers happy. Theres a lot of sad unhappy :cry: salesmen around, with yards full of 380s. any way things will get a bit better when fleet sales start to take off :bowrofl: in the next 4 weeks and Mitsubishi get there advertising act together proper advertising plays a big part in promoting the 380 no doubt that will change in the coming weeks to. Somethings got to happen and IT WILL, maybe toss in 1/2 doz Steak Knives lol to get 380s on the road...C/mon Hertz, Avis, Govt Dept :rant: get your act together and help make Mitsubishi sales figures start to look good....

pfft it wont succeed because it's not based on the ba falcon


starting to see them here in brissy now. Yeah people might be able to pick up a cheap one.

....Theres a lot of sad unhappy :cry: salesmen around, with yards full of 380s.......

Where did you hear this?

FF

blah blah BLAH.... same old 380 moans we have all heard a million times before... blah blah BLAH....

Adding Mivec, stadility control and changing the interior is to a certain extent 're-engineering'

They don’t need to re-engineer these features, because MMC already has the technology, its the money needed to bring it to MMAL and implement into the 380, while keeping it reliable to meet the 5/10 warranty that draws a problem.

I agree with Falcon Freak on point one, definitely, its very hard to get rid of the magna stigma, with people thinking its the 'new' magna, even though the vehicle dynamics are improved.

Looks and sales figures to be, are mostly opinion and subjective, as FF 20 point shows, I have had the opposite of this reaction, with allot of people saying how the like the styling of the 380.

Give it time. Give it time.

Ditto. The two problems Mitsubishi Australia have are:

1. A large percentage of the general public have a negative image of MMAL's products. Many people see the all new 380 as the new Magna. As soon as the 380 has been tared with this brush these people have preconceived ideas about the 380 based on their experiences with previous Magna based models. If they took a 380 for a test drive they would see that the new car is (dynamically) a significant improvement over the superceded Magana.

2. The styling of the 380. As can been seen from the previous posts in this thread styling appeal is very subjective. A car's styling will never appeal to all people. The problem with the 380 is that it doesn't appeal to enough people. A lot of people I have spoken with find the 380s styling somewhat awkward (but not AU Falcon level of ugliness). If MMAL put on a body like the Hond Euro Accord or Mazda 6, in my opinion the sales would be significantly higher than the current levels.

When I saw the first 380 prototypes a few years ago I immediately believed that this new car would not be the saviour MMAL requires.

FF

This reminds me of time long long ago, when Ford introduced the new 'boxy' look XD Falcon (1979 for those of you who weren't alive :badgrin: ). Everyone though it was too small looking (scary now days). The new look falcon was a sales disaster! So much so, Ford designed a larger version of what was to become Ford Telstar to replace it (I think only it was only at the design stages). Then in 1979/80, sales took off! Ford ruled the sales race ahead of the commodore I think from the XE onwards for the '80s, until the VT commo I think (not sure there).
There are many other factors involved here (1) The XD was a paradigm shift, the 380 isnt, but (2) the fuel crisis was bad enough then for Holden to cancel the whole WB Kingswood range (just before release too!) and go with only the VB Commodore. The only survivor was the WB ute. I could keep going here, but I'll shut up :)

So the moral of the story - don't count out Mitsubishi yet. I don't believe in blind faith, Mitsubishi has to produce a reasonable car (I feel they have). Tom Phillips laid the ground work for the changing of the image of Mitsubishi very well (I think!). They have some interesting models comming like the new Outlander, and it takes time to rebuild confidence. The question is how long will that take, and will MMC be killed off by the japanese parent first. Time will tell.

So what is actually wrong with aving a Runout/Clearence Sale?

If you going to buy a Car in say March this year you would not want a 05 plated car.

And if Mitsubishi sales some of this back log - there will be more 380 on the road.
And this will create more interest in them. Not everyone buys car magazine, so once people start seeing these cars on the road, there be saying to themself "What car is that? It different and looks quite good"

I praise Mitsubishi for do this. They not died yet!!!

I hate to sound negative, but as much as I would like to see the 380 succeed, I don't think it will. The styling is not what the majority of people want. I bet if they kept the TJ and engineered it to be rear wheel drive and dropped the 3.8 in people would be buying heaps of them...I know I would.

have you driven a TJ lately compared to a 380? the TJ is a 1996 design, and it feels it! and by todays standards it looks dull and boring.

I dont know what everyone is on about, because after actually driving one (unlike the vast majority of people who comment) i can safely say that it fairly well ****s upon everything else in the large car segment.. even the "oh so brilliant" BF falcon which is the most over-hyped car in recent memory!

have you driven a TJ lately compared to a 380? the TJ is a 1996 design, and it feels it! and by todays standards it looks dull and boring.

I dont know what everyone is on about, because after actually driving one (unlike the vast majority of people who comment) i can safely say that it fairly well ****s upon everything else in the large car segment.. even the "oh so brilliant" BF falcon which is the most over-hyped car in recent memory!

Unlike some other people here, I have ACTUALLY driven the 380 and :stoopid: It does piss all over the BF Falcon AND the VZ Commodore. Visually, the TJ Magna is just a TE Magna with prettier tail-lights and a ugly beak on the front end (in my opinion). In fact I think the TH Magna is the best looking Magna they ever made.

I dont know what everyone is on about, because after actually driving one (unlike the vast majority of people who comment) i can safely say that it fairly well ****s upon everything else in the large car segment.. even the "oh so brilliant" BF falcon which is the most over-hyped car in recent memory!

true true, but, have you driven the BF falcon? :P I'm hoping you have!

I don't know about the rest of the country, but in my area of Sydney (north-west), there are no Mitsubishi dealerships to buy a 380 from even if I wanted to buy one. I can think of four dealers in the area who have either had their dealerships taken off them, or given them up in the last couple of years. These are Killara, Hornsby, North Ryde and Castle Hill. The population of the affected area would be around one million people (or the size of Adelaide). Many of the people in the area are affluent enough to buy a new car, or own companies which buy many cars. I thought that new dealers would be in place by the time the 380 was released, but the time has come and gone without any replacement dealers.

I'm not saying that the 380 would be a runaway sale success if there were dealers in the area, but I’m sure it would be better. I can still count the number I've seen on my fingers (most from outside the area I'm talking about). Are there any other areas with large populations unserved by a Mitsubishi dealer?

As for the styling of the car. I quite like it. I remember seeing a Galant GTS pass me in the US a couple of years ago and thinking how good the tail looked in the flesh, but MMAL would need to do something about the front if they wanted to sell it here. They did - and in VRX/GT spec come up with quite an attractive car.

Toyota sold 3822 Camrys in December (2155 4cyl models). I don’t know of anyone who thinks the Camry is a good looking car, but they outsold Ford Falcon. By comparison though, there were 947 Mitsubishi 380s sold and just 185 Nissan Maximas - a car regarded as similar to the 380 and with good deals to be had. Maybe the time for a 4 cylinder MIVEC "240" is nearing.

just before this closes; my magna is the best magna ever built

and tj from te; big steps; like tl from tj you mentioned sometime rlj25;

i think you'd have to have a love of driving to notice some.

blah blah blah.

This thread was about end of year run out sales.. Once again, the select few have turned it into the 380 blah blah blah crap..

God i hate this section of these forums..

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