Ive heard it before... An auto cant take the extra Hp...

WHY NOT?

Is it just this auto box or all autos in general??

It just seems a shame that anyone who wanted to do mods are very limited?? well thats what ive heard/gathered from what everyone has said?

In saying there is a limit.. what is that limit?? does anyone know??

And is anyone trying to do up an auto?

because ive got money now...

AND IM SICK OF LOSING TO EVERY DAMN CAR

and no my car aint buggered..

Its in perfect condition....

ANd i also heard that you cant put any kind of managment System in it? again making it pointless for mods?

I dont want to spend money on this car if its gonna be in vain: ie spend 2 grand on various mods then go for ehehe a haltech and a gt wing when it aint gonna work on the auto

(oh BTW my car is a 98 3.0 auto advance)
(and if it is pointless to mod ill just spend the money on a decent system.. One i can take out of the car when i sell it)

[quote:ce3a175b9f]WHY NOT?[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
cos cars were made for Manual :badgrin:

[quote:ce3a175b9f]Is it just this auto box or all autos in general??[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
buy a racing box and its all good, actually Most drag cars have a very very very modded auto box!! haha. i just see most of us try take on 5 gear changes in a 7second 1/4 mile LOL

[quote:ce3a175b9f]It just seems a shame that anyone who wanted to do mods are very limited?? well thats what ive heard/gathered from what everyone has said?[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
not true, you just have to get a half decent box

[quote:ce3a175b9f]In saying there is a limit.. what is that limit?? does anyone know??[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
you wallet is the limit ;)

[quote:ce3a175b9f]And is anyone trying to do up an auto?[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
Ask fooya, he's the first on this forum to install "FOoyaLOgic"(tm) :lol:

[quote:ce3a175b9f]because ive got money now...[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
good you can send some down my way, and help my car get some more things done, intime for magna meet:D

[quote:ce3a175b9f]AND IM SICK OF LOSING TO EVERY DAMN CAR[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
its prolly the driver ;) , the most important mod to ANY car is the driver :D

[quote:ce3a175b9f]ANd i also heard that you cant put any kind of managment System in it? again making it pointless for mods?[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
false, you can, just has to be 'piggyback' system ;), so no Haltech for you ;) :lol:

[quote:ce3a175b9f]I dont want to spend money on this car if its gonna be in vain: ie spend 2 grand on various mods then go for ehehe a haltech and a gt wing when it aint gonna work on the auto[/quote:ce3a175b9f]
oi! what are you implying! :x

[quote:d716dd72b9]cos cars were made for Manual [/quote:d716dd72b9]

True but we happen to live in a slack world where people want autos and im stuck with an auto

[quote:d716dd72b9]buy a racing box [/quote:d716dd72b9]

I dont want to spend money on a racing box!! cause then i might as well buy a manual box or hell a new car!

[quote:d716dd72b9]not true, you just have to get a half decent box [/quote:d716dd72b9]

Again get a half decent box involves MORE money so less mods pffft

[quote:d716dd72b9]you wallet is the limit[/quote:d716dd72b9]

Oh in that case i see an extra 2kw at the fly ;)

[quote:d716dd72b9]Ask fooya, he's the first on this forum to install "FOoyaLOgic"(tm)[/quote:d716dd72b9]

Yeah but i heard fooyalogic had problems and was known to just be gay in general :P

[quote:d716dd72b9]false, you can, just has to be 'piggyback' system , so no Haltech for you [/quote:d716dd72b9]

Damn i wanted to be like you!

[quote:d716dd72b9]oi! what are you implying! [/quote:d716dd72b9]

I dont know.... what were you implying about me implying?;)

the only thing that limits magna autos is the ecu (transmission ecu is integrated). When doing up a car, you will eventually need to replace the whole ecu. With magna's thats not possible. This is because no aftermarket ecu can simulate "INVECS II".

If you got the cash you could fix the problem by getting a different auto box or trying to develop a ecu that can simulate invecs II. In the end it just aint worth the $ doing anything like that so its better to just go buy a manual

fooya logic rocks and if anyone makes any smart ass comments about me again yu better watch out....i travel alot and am not afraid to come visit you! :badgrin:

Fooya, the only way u gonna get sidewards with fooyalogic, is when i slam ur rear quater pannel :lol:

catch me if u can - i dare ya.

when my tranny dies from "over modding" ill get it converted \:D/

"actually ALL drag cars have a very very very modded auto box!! "

Wrong

I think you'll find you can do most of these mods but not have an issue with the auto. It's when you're looking at a rediculous increase in power or torque like forced induction when you'll walk into trouble.

fooya logic rocks and if anyone makes any smart ass comments about me again yu better watch out....i travel alot and am not afraid to come visit you! :badgrin:

What is it?
Haydn

Fooyalogic..

u know fuzzy logic!!!

But its without the logic ;)

Oh yeah fooya i live in perth....

So i invite you to kick my ass here in perth :P

If your car can make it ;)

um NO your WRONG!
haha.

its funny to see what dave did to his shifter!!

hes jammed the top button DOWN so it moves freely ;)
it, its like tip shift, he dosnt have to hold down the button, he just flicks his wrist to go from
1
2
3
d
LOL. its hell funny!! but bugga! it works, and its quicker than any manual shift!!!!!


thats the 'advanced' automatic "FOoyaLogiC" for you! LOL

LOL. its hell funny!! but bugga! it works, and its quicker than any manual shift!!!!!

It maybe quicker but the manuals still have closer gear ratios. (Assuming his is the 4 speed tranny).

TBuTcher, when you shift gears you say there's a slight delay. Is there a delay going down gears? Is there a delay if you take your foot off the accelerator and then change up?

TBuTcher, when you shift gears you say there's a slight delay. Is there a delay going down gears? Is there a delay if you take your foot off the accelerator and then change up?
Yes there is a deley going down gears...in as far as you cannot change down if the revs are over a certain range... (cannot change from 2 - 1 if the revs are >= 2000 rpms.
there is about a 1-2 second deley in up shifting.. so I just change 1-2 seconds BEFORE I want/need to change.
I tried the foot off the accelerator but it makes no difference.
Haydn

um NO your WRONG!
haha.

its funny to see what dave did to his shifter!!

hes jammed the top button DOWN so it moves freely ;)
it, its like tip shift, he dosnt have to hold down the button, he just flicks his wrist to go from
1
2
3
d
LOL. its hell funny!! but bugga! it works, and its quicker than any manual shift!!!!!


thats the 'advanced' automatic "FOoyaLogiC" for you! LOL

In the auto's, i didnt think you need to hold the button in to shift between D to 3,2, and 1.

Oh well, nice job fooya! but what happens when u flick to far, and go into reverse? :lol:

[quote:717c626925] In the auto's, i didnt think you need to hold the button in to shift between D to 3,2, and 1.

You have to hold the button to down gear, so from D->3->2->1 you have to hold button, but not up gear, from 1->2->3->D are button free.

it's faster to do the FOoya Logic ! as D doesn't redline after 2nd gear.

I've tried it out , drag with a CRX *stock i think, he claims 7.8sec from 0-100, so nothing too fast. anyway

first atempt was wide open throttle in D, didn't work out very good, as it only red lines in 1st but once it is in 2nd, it will change to 3rd at about 4500rpm. and from 3rd to forth it is sh!* house, changes at about 4000. so I was couple car lengths behind by that stage.

however,2nd atempt with shifting it from 1toD sequentially, I kept up with him the whole time, the CRX was a Manual, and so much lighter, so you would expect it to take the off quicker, and so it did, the CRX got about half a metre ahead of me the whole time, so I guess I lost the drag, but hey, I've not done much to improve the performance of my car yet, the Evo VI spoiler would have added weight, there is no need for down force, but it looks damn nice. :) The Exhaust probably did very little. 16" wheels have prevented wheel spin at take off, so I guess it's a positive, but adds 10 counts of drag (I don't know how to explain it but just take my word for it as i'm doing some aero work in the Monash wind tunnel at the moment.)

So yeah, I think FOoya Logic is good Logic still, not as good as a real manual but hey, i guess us Auto's just gotta live with it and make the best of what we have hey.

just off the side, what's the standard 0-100km/h time for stock TF 3.0l V6?
and what's the standard 0-100km/h time for TH and TJ and TL????

cheers[/quote:717c626925]

While I understand the "logic" behind Fooya's jamming mod....the biggest PROBLEM is the fact that you could at any stage "accidently" slip it into reverse or park...... both of which are BAD !!!!!

So I am proud to release BuTcherLogic please see the pantented diagrams below....
thats for looking.
TBuTcher and those related take no responsibility for this not working :o)

Haydn

booya, you forgot about the thingy around the shifter too!!!

whats it called? its on the bottom of manual sticks...

aww yes!!

hahahah. he has hidden the fact his is an auto, but taking it the next step!!

hes added a Manual Shifter Gear Boot to the whole "fooyalogic" concept!!

ROFL. hahahah

Just because your car is an auto doesn't mean that you can't mod it to gain lots of horsies.

My TH is an Auto 3.5. I have done these mods greddy, pacemaker extractors, muffler, ram pod and I have gained about 40kw at the flywheel with an output of 140kw at the wheels which is pretty good. I'm looking to get CAI and throttle body to have an output of between 145-150kw atw.

Autos can be powerful as mine is gettin pretty damn powerful!!

I never doubt the strength of an auto... only problem with autos are that the older 4 speed have wider ratios and thus more torque needed as well as the loss in times for the gear change...

when you say older Autos... is that the 3l 98 autos??/

was there any changed between my car and say the newer ones?

older auto's he means the 4 speed ones... most (if not all) of the new ones are 5 speed.. (and if there are still 4 speeds you'ld better include them in the "older" bunch)....

i see no reason why stock auto's would not be able to handle NA mods.... turboed mods, 210kW+ would prolly see some problems coming into your world!!!

mr_mbquart - with all those mods, I assume your auto box hasn't had any issues holding up to the power increase?

Is yours the normal 4sp or 5sp tiptronic?

/me can't wait for extractors :) 115kW -> 130-140kW would be real nice :)

mr_mbquart:

does your 140kw atw, and my 140kw atw mean ive done less mods and yelded a better gain :badgrin: :badgrin:

dude, i wanna drag a 'equilivent' 3.5 just to see how i go :badgrin:

car for the challenge :badgrin: :badgrin:

does your 140kw atw, and my 140kw atw mean ive done less mods and yelded a better gain :badgrin: :badgrin:

If he had a Haltech, he'd carve you to pieces.

does your 140kw atw, and my 140kw atw mean ive done less mods and yelded a better gain :badgrin: :badgrin:


No it means you're comparing a piggy-back system to a standalone unit.

Hey Booya, compare how much I have spent on my mods to you. The greddy $1200, extractors $500, Pod $230, Muffler $210 Total: $2140 that includes labour. Now your Haltech cost almost double that. I don't know what other engine mods you have done but if I spent the same amount of money as you then I would be a lot further ahead. I believe that I am modding my magna on a budget.

My auto is just the 4speed and no problems to report

I'll take you to the cleaners booya-by the way don't you have like 181hp at the wheels-do the math that doesn't equate to 140kw atw more like 135kw atw-my dyno sheet was 188hp atw which is smack bang on 140kw atw. But you know dynos- i could be further ahead haha

Smokin :evil:

oi mr_mbquart im guessing yours is a 3l???

if so I LOVE YA MAN and im gonna copy you with your mods cause im an unoriginal bastard!! tell me though do you have my problem with losing to trucks and fire engines?

nah I'm running the 3.5 litre under the hood. Unfortunately lately I have not had the time to fire up some drags due to working 60 hours/week, but I have a week holiday now so maybe some this week.

Latest victim though was a VN calais-not that much of a challenge but what makes this drag significant was that I wasn't really interested in a drag against him, he went off the time with the foot down- I just went off normally. He was a car length ahead before I decided to agree to the battle buy the time I hit 100km mark he was a car and a half length behind. So even with a good head start he couldn't do it. We both backed off though when we saw a cop car on the other side of the road slow down 60km zone!

Throttle body will be the next mod in a few weeks

cooool :P well anytime you wanna swap cars ;) iTS all good :P

And yeah i understand how it is to work under a budget....

Its damn frustrating knowing some people have money flying out of there ass and have the cheek to think they are better than you on there claimed figures.

Booya im messin with ya :P
or maybe im not

Guys,
The only thing that you have to rememeber when you are playing around with autos is the thing that kills them is high oil temps in the trans. The more power that you have the great the pressure required or you are going to have more slippage in you clutch packs during changes. This in turn will heat the trans fluid. The simple solution is to fit a larger external oil cooler. For those of you that are autospeed member JE did an article on this only a week or so ago.

Cheers
Paul

thanks ca18escort :P

One of the best posts on my thread so far :P

hehe

got a link for this article? ;)

There is a link to the article but unless you are a member you won't be able to read it and I am sorry but I am not willing to cut and paste the article. :(

Cheers
Paul

how about e-mailing it? :D :D

how about e-mailing it? :D :D

Haha... and for the serious minded. I think he's missed the point. Sign up and pay for the info.

Nice funny though.

That is exactly what I was trying to get at Pete without actually saying it. At the moment you can sign up for $50 or something like that and get all 260 odd issues which equates to over 1000 articles. It really is good value for money I have been a subscriber since they started 5 years ago.

Cheers
Paul

um NO your WRONG!
haha.

its funny to see what dave did to his shifter!!

hes jammed the top button DOWN so it moves freely ;)
it, its like tip shift, he dosnt have to hold down the button, he just flicks his wrist to go from
1
2
3
d
LOL. its hell funny!! but bugga! it works, and its quicker than any manual shift!!!!!


thats the 'advanced' automatic "FOoyaLogiC" for you! LOL



IT MOVES FREELY FROM 1,2,3<D , N anyway!!
the only times iu have to press the button is to go in reverse and to go downwards from D

I think the auto box can handle quite a bit of power. Remember the Ralliart Magna comes in Auto with 180kw, so you could always source the auto parts from it. I don't even think they did improve the gearbox for the ralliart anyways..

um NO your WRONG!
haha.


Here are some gearbox names for you to look up.
Lenco, Jericho, Holinger and G-Force. They're all manual and use in drag racing.
You're wrong.